[–]▶ 8b08ad (1) No.9989 >>10174 >>10179 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]
You have to pick one. Which is it?
What does the Bible teach and why is it penal substitutionary atonement?
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▶ 0f34ca (1) No.9994>>9997 >>10003
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▶ 5d909e (2) No.9997>>10029 >>10046 >>10058
>>9994
I think the reason recapitulation never took off is because
1. It doesn't make sense - why did Jesus have to die to become the new Adam, it makes just as much sense for him to become the new Adam without dying
2. The entire thing is taken from a single verse in Paul's letters taken out of context. Paul says we don't sin because we partake in Christ the new Adam instead of the first Adam who failed. It seems to me to be a wild misreading to say that Christ came intending to be a new Adam
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▶ 9a8e31 (1) No.10003>>10026
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▶ 5d909e (2) No.10026
>>10003
from wikipedia
>In the recapitulation view of the atonement, Christ is seen as the new Adam who succeeds where Adam failed.[11] Christ undoes the wrong that Adam did and, because of his union with humanity, leads humankind on to eternal life (including moral perfection).[
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▶ c585cc (2) No.10029
>>9997
I don't know enough about recapitulation to say if you're attacking them or not, but I do know enough about penal substitutionary atonement to this argument attacks it too. In fact this argument completely undermines the doctrine of imputed righteousness.
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▶ b43580 (1) No.10046>>10154
>>9997
It took off well, but not in the west. Largely because the concept is linked with Theosis which is, again, largely ignored in the west.
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▶ 3253b7 (2) No.10057
My theory is it was effective for the Lord to do that to spread His message and I don't need any other reason because the Lord makes His own plans.
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▶ 3253b7 (2) No.10058
>>9997
But Christ is a new Adam, in the sense that all Christians are the mothers and brothers and sisters of Christ, as we are all the children of Adam. Christ being a sinless new Adam bringing Christian unity is part of Christ's message.
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▶ c585cc (2) No.10154>>10175
>>10046
When I have seen Eastern Orthodox talk about theosis on 8chan they always talk about it in one of two ways, either 1. Mormonesque apotheosis (damnable heresy, blasphemy), or 2. Like the doctrine of sanctification in our tradition; we only "become gods" inasmuch as we participate in the divine nature, to "become gods" is simply to become like God.
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▶ db03d0 (1) No.10174
>>9989 (OP)
i’m not googling. effortpost and provide a brief description for each and a link, each, for more info.
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▶ 975053 (1) No.10175
>>10154
It's neither
1)Mormonic doctrine is impossible, due to God being omnipotent, Omnipresent, omniscient and generally having infinite attributes that are beyond limits. There exists the indestructible barrier between God and Human beings that cannot be avoided, so man can never become God and I am sick of people comparing Theosis to Mormons, since it has absolutely nothing in common with it due to different backgrounds and different fundamental doctrines.
2)what you describe isn't Theosis in its fullness. It's merely one part of it: catharsis.
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▶ 51e569 (1) No.10179
>>9989 (OP)
Ransom or Sacrifice, because these are the words Jesus himself uses. Although all the rest do have scriptural support obviously, so I would hope not to totally ignore them.
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