/christianity/ - Christian Theology & Philosophy

>>9369

I attend Church on the Sabbath (Saturday)

Amen.

Amen

Amen

Amen

So…. call them an ethnic slur, and not even try to convert them. Even though the epistles of Paul, as well as the book of Revelation, indicate they will be eventually restored. Count me out.

>>9406

Ethnonstionalism and anti Zionism does not entail abandoning mission work to the Jews

>>9406

What? What scripture do you think says kikes will be "restored"?

Amen.

The Jews are the enemies of the gospel. (Rom 8:11)

The Jews are the servants of Satan. (John 8:44-45)

The Jews murdered Christ and are the enemies of all mankind. (1 thess 2:15)

Spiritual Anti-Semitism is the original and true position of the church. And by Gods grace this board will fight to restore it!

"…the Jews, 15 who killed both the Lord Jesus and their own prophets, and drove us out as well. They are displeasing to God and hostile to all men, 16 hindering us from telling the Gentiles how they may be saved. As a result, they continue to heap up their sins to full capacity; the utmost wrath has come upon them."

1 Thessalonians 2:14-16

>>9369

Amen

"Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?" Mat 4:43-47.

>>9417

>What scripture do you think says kikes will be "restored"?

"I heard the number of those who had been marked with the seal, one hundred and four-four thousand marked from every tribe of the Israelites" (Rev 7:4).

"But you have mercy on all, because you can do all things; and overlook sins for the sake of repentance. FOr you love all things that are and loathe nothing that you have made; for you would not fashion what you hate. How could a thing remain unless you willed it…but you spare all things, because they are yours." (Wis 11 23-26)

>>9490

>>9417

To add a verse: "For I say to you, from now on you will not see Me until you say, 'BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD!'" (Matt. 23:39 NASB) The context is Jesus weeping over jerusalem's apostasy. Even as a post-millennial historicist (what you would call orhtodox preterist 10 years ago before the heretical hyper-preterists took over the term), I believe this verse refers to mass Jewish conversion before the Second Advent of Christ before the resurrection of the dead.

>>9417

Romans 11:11-24

>>9490

Revelation is clearly and explicitly talking about the Israelites, not kikes. And your second quote doesn't say anything about restoring anyone. It just says God loves everything He created. That doesn't mean everything He created will be redeemed.

>>9494

What does that have to do with anything?

>>9509

That does not say kikes will be restored. It says the Israelites who rejected Christ *can* be restored, if they repent and believe. "Can be" is not "will be". One is a possibility, the other a certainty. And again, that's about Israelites not kikes.

Kikes have absolutely no relation to Israelites. Ashkenazi are Khazars, descended from Ashkenaz, hence the name. DNA has confirmed this. They are unrelated to Jacob, they simply converted to pharisaism, which had been renamed to "judaism" to create a false belief that Judeans were all pharisees. Sephardics are north african mongrels that had converted to pharisaism, who invaded and were expelled from Spain. Again, no relation to Jacob. The mizrahim claim to be Samaritans. Based on historical evidence and descriptions of Samaritans, that is not possible. Samaritans overwhelmingly are described as fair skinned and blond. If they have any Samaritan blood, it is very mixed with the random mongrels that invaded the region.

You should know, that a part of the jews will believe in the messiah and will be saved by our Lord

>>9559

Just a simple search engine query is enough to disprove or call the Khazar Theory into question.

>>9562

Ashkenazi and Sephardi are a bunch of inbred Edomites, and the prophetic books (which Zionists ignore when talking about Revelation) all talk about how Edom and Israel will one day war with each other, and Israel would prevail.

>>9369

Amen.

>>9562

A simple search engine query confirms it. DNA does not lie. Even jews themselves openly admitted this for several hundred years. Jewish history books, in yiddish, for jews, clearly spell out their khazar history all the way up to the late 1800s. Only with the late 1800s zionist movement did the ashkenazi start pretending to be from the middle east.

https://biblicisminstitute.wordpress.com/2015/07/28/how-the-ashkenazi-jews-conquered-the-west/

I missed the part where we were supposed to shun certain groups of people based on their race/group and not bring them the gospel. Can someone fill me in on where or who says this?

>>9630

>If you're an evangelical Jew-Idolizer

It would be a fallacious mistake to connect the zionist problem with all of evangelicalism, or uniquely with evangelicalism, if that's what you're implying.

I agree if not.

>>9632

I'm not going to say that about all evangelicals but I think you know what group of evangelicals I'm talking about.

>>9630

I used to attend John Hagee's church in San Antonio, I regret ever stepping my foot into that place.

>>9654

I read through all the proclamations to the seven churches and I did not see anything that specifically condemned Jews, only condemnation to false Jews and to churches that did not correct course. Can you provide a verse or passage that links the “synagogue of Satan” quotes with condemning Jews?

Of John, Christ was speaking primarily to the Pharisees of the temple in Jerusalem. There were, of course, Jews on the side who aligned with the synagogue leaders who Christ addresses. But the “Father is the Devil” quote is pointed at those in that conversation, not a condemnation of all Jews (otherwise He damns his apostles and disciples).

You can call out Jews all day long. Rebuke the ones who deny Christ and choose their pharisaical ways. Rebuke all who promote sin. Guard yourselves against enemies of the faith. But don’t fall into the trap of condemning all Jews. There are none who are righteous. All have sinned and deserve death. Pray for them (and for all) that they receive Christ’s salvation.

>>9644

>Revelations quote is concerning people who falsely claim to be Jews as a means of also claiming righteousness

No, people who falsely claim to be Judeans. Which is precisely what jews are doing. Falsely claiming to be Judeans and demanding Palestine be given to them.

>John quote is about pharisees and other synagogue leaders

So again, kikes.

>Matthew quote is, again, about pharisees

What do you think jews are? Pharisaism was renamed talmudism, which was renamed judaism. It is the same religion.

>>9654

>They're still Jews but they're no longer his chosen people.

Jews were never God's chosen people, Israelites were. There is no relation between yids and Israelites.

>>9559

>It says the Israelites who rejected Christ *can* be restored

Eisegesis.

<Now if their trespass means riches for the world, and if their failure means riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their full inclusion mean!

<For if their rejection means the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance mean but life from the dead? If the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, so is the whole lump, and if the root is holy, so are the branches.

<For if you were cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, the natural branches, be grafted back into their own olive tree.

This tells us that the reconversion of the Jewish nation is a sign of the end times, because it promised that their conversion will mean "life from the deas". The passage does not deal with individual salvation but national covenants, explaining why the Israelite nation fell away while the gentile nations were now being converted. Paul warns not to boast against the Jews that their nations were now covenanted to God while the Jews fell under a curse (and if they must boast, they should boast in the Lord, not as though there were anything valuable about their nations), because Israel shall be brought back to repentance. A few Jews converting here and there does not enter the scope of the passage.

>Kikes have absolutely no relation to Israelites. Ashkenazi are Khazars, descended from Ashkenaz, hence the name. DNA has confirmed this. They are unrelated to Jacob, they simply converted to pharisaism, which had been renamed to "judaism" to create a false belief that Judeans were all pharisees. Sephardics are north african mongrels that had converted to pharisaism, who invaded and were expelled from Spain. Again, no relation to Jacob. The mizrahim claim to be Samaritans. Based on historical evidence and descriptions of Samaritans, that is not possible. Samaritans overwhelmingly are described as fair skinned and blond. If they have any Samaritan blood, it is very mixed with the random mongrels that invaded the region.

*tips SS officer's cap*

Even if this crap is completely true it's still irrelevant because genetics and genealogy are not the same thing. Genes get bred out after a while.

Amen

>>9678

>Eisegesis

No. It is literally what it says. Read it. It does not say they WILL be restored, it says God CAN put branches back on the tree.

>This tells us that the reconversion of the Jewish nation is a sign of the end times

This from the guy who cries eisegesis at someone for reading the actual words and doing no interpreting at all.

>Even if this crap is completely true it's still irrelevant

The word of the Lord is truth. You think he lied about their being people who would claim to be Judeans but are not? And then conveniently made fake DNA for us to think he was telling the truth?

>genetics and genealogy are not the same thing

Yes they are.

>Genes get bred out after a while.

Are you retarded?

>>9559

>What does that have to do with anything?

I thought I was clear enough; but reading your other posts, you show yourself as someone who doesn't read nor want to when arguing for your hatred against Jews. You just spout off the same assertions without proof.

"A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion." (Prov. 18:2 ESV)

>>9630

>W-well yeah, no duh we s-should share the Gospel with the J-Jews

<I'm being generous here. "Convert" doesn't give the same force or implications that "sharing the Gospel" does.

>later in the post

>no, they're gonna go to hell in an hand basket.

Your brain on Rome everyone.

>>9622

>A simple search engine query confirms it.

>DNA does not lie.

<Checks search engine

<Finds this article

https://bioone.org/journals/Human-Biology/volume-85/issue-6/027.085.0604/No-Evidence-from-Genome-Wide-Data-of-a-Khazar-Origin/10.3378/027.085.0604.short

I guess it doesn't

>>9654

>In the first quote they're referring to the 2/3rds of Jews

The immediate context is the local church of Philadelphia and those who are bothering that church, not the entirety of Jewry.

>And the 3rd quote does refer to the pharisees, with that said, you can't deny the fact that the pharisees were all Jews who hated Christ.

>who hated Christ

You shift too much emphasis on the word "Jews" and not on the operative phrase "who hated Christ". No, not every ancient Palestinian Jew was a Pharisee. That name refers to a very specific group of Jews within the Sanhedrin and the general Rabbinic and priestly body. You can't just change around words like that and expect the common lay, clergy, or scholars to take you seriously.

>Also, the Jews are the biggest usurers in the world

Not every Jew is an usurer, so the better construction of your sentence is: "the biggest usurers in the world are Jews". But that would still be factually wrong.The biggest usurers in the world is the anti-church of Rome that demands payment of Spiritual interest, aka "merit", for sins already paid for by Christ.

>To claim that they're not sons of their father the devil is to simply deny the facts.

Anyone who is not of Christ is of the Devil, including pre-conversion Christians. Some Jews have converted and are converting and are not of the devil.

>>9654

>If we can't talk about the Jews we can't fix the problem.

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Nobody here or elsewhere is taking away your right to either criticize problems common with the Jews or Israel, nor, in this case, your right to blather about "muh kikes" as if the each and every Jew were a more diabolical than the devil himself.

>We need to pray for them but…

You did a lot of complaining and next to no praying.

> to be able to openly point out their blasphemies without being called an "anti-semite".

But what about pointing there sins out in love, kindness, gentleness, and due respect with an offering of the Gospel? Why do have prioritize the blasphemies of each and every Jew (even if they are Christian) over the Gospel? Why do you ignore the sinfulness of all men, and not just the Jews? You're worse than /pol/ and their ad nasuem mantra "Christ: the dead kike on a stick", because you equally blaspheme the power and truth of the true Gospel against political or social solutions. Of course, I expected nothing less from someone whose church blasphemes the Gospel and the Lord every single day. If someone calls you an anti-Semite, you deserve it. I won't, as you have worse problems.

>>9760

>I thought I was clear enough

You were mistaken. Sow how about you enlighten us instead of just spouting ad-homs?

>I guess it doesn't

I guess it does.

http://theconversation.com/ashkenazic-jews-mysterious-origins-unravelled-by-scientists-thanks-to-ancient-dna-97962

https://forward.com/news/breaking-news/381367/why-did-23andme-tell-ashkenazi-jews-they-could-be-descended-from-khazars/

https://www.the-scientist.com/daily-news/genetic-roots-of-the-ashkenazi-jews-38580

>Anyone who is not of Christ is of the Devil

No. Being unsaved is not being of Satan. Christ himself clearly said jews were the sons of Satan.

>Some Jews have converted

So, not jews.

>>9728

>It is literally what it says. Read it. It does not say they WILL be restored

For if you were cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, the natural branches, be grafted back into their own olive tree.

>doing no interpreting at all

Yes, doing no interpreting, and just filling the words with your own meaning, is the definition of eisegesis

>Yes they are.

No they're not you retard. If you had a black ancestor centuries ago, that would be enough for you to have countless African ancestors through them, but if every ancestor of yours since that generation was white, there would not be a drop of Hamite blood in you.

>Are you retarded?

I think you are

>>9790

That does not say will be restored. It is literally a hypothetical situation being posed.

>Yes, doing no interpreting, and just filling the words with your own meaning

No, reading the actual meaning of the words. Not filling them with anything.

>If you had a black ancestor centuries ago, that would be enough for you to have countless African ancestors through them

And your genes would reflect that.

>I think you are

And yet you keep proving yourself wrong and crying eisegesis while inventing nonsense meanings for direct and clear phrases. I think we'll go with a "yes" on that one.

my wife is (ethnnically) jewish. should i be worried?

>>10314

>I married the literal spawn of satan

>is this bad?

Hmmm….

>>10314

Is she a born again daughter of God?

The ethnicity doesn't really matter since you're already married. So you can't pick another.

Focus on getting her saved and indwelt by the Holy Ghost if you're worried about her acting "Jewish."

And family can't be converted through preaching. Lead by example.

>>10324

No Jew is *literally* the spawn of Satan. Hezekiah, Jeremiah, Isaiah… etc. were all "Jews." Obviously not David, Solomon, Moses, or Abraham, since "Jew" only refers to someone from the *Kingdom* of Judah, from any tribe. Any Israelite before the Kingdom of Judah couldn't be a Jew.

>>10314

You should be worried. She will have talmudic Jew influences from her past and from her side of the family.

You made a mistake to marry outside of your race, and an even bigger one if she's not even Christian.

>>10348

>miscegenation

>permissible

Pick one

>>10352

Miscegenation?

As in, race-mixing?

Well, let's assume our friend is white. While I'll give you that many who identify as "Jews" today are not white, many are, just like the Jews of old.

I'm giving our friend the benefit of the doubt, that his wife IS the same race as him, while being ethnically Jewish.

>>10353

No Jew is white, even the pale Ashkenazis in the US. They do not want to be called white, and they don't have European heritage.

>>10354

White Jews *believe* they aren't white. Which isn't true. Just like how they *believe* Jesus Christ isn't the Son of God.

And… yes… they DO have European heritage. Which is a moot point, since European Heritage doesn't always equal White (see: Roma, Tatars); and there are non-European Whites (Ancient Persians, Armenians, Hittites and the *Jews of Old,* from which most modern Jews share some descent ).

>>10355

They don't have sufficient European ancestry to qualify as white. I'm using white in the majority usage meaning "European". The pre-European whites are only considered white because they either share ancestry with Europe, or they are the European ancestors.

Jews are equivalent to the gypsies. Jews overwhelmingly do not want to be called white, they have history of antagonism with the European nations, and the Jewish state Israel allows citizenship for Jews but not for European whites.

Jews are not white.

Amen

Amen

>>10348

>No Jew is *literally* the spawn of Satan

Yes, all of them are. Satan seduced Eve, who bore Cain. That entire lineage is cursed to be in enmity with Adamites (whites) forever. That's kikes.

>Hezekiah, Jeremiah, Isaiah… etc. were all "Jews."

No they were not. They were Judean. Jews are Edomite and Caananite converts to talmudism.

>Any Israelite before the Kingdom of Judah couldn't be a Jew.

Jews are not descended from Judeans. They are the ones referenced in Revelation, those who say they are Judeans but are not.

>>10428

>Satan seduced Eve, who bore Cain

What Bible are you reading?

>>10428

Ezra 6:7

>Let the work of this house of God alone; let the governor of the Jews and the elders of the Jews build this house of God in his place.

Jew = Judaean

>>10429

There is only one Bible. Do you actually think the pop culture idiocy that a snake told Eve to eat an apple is what the Bible says?

>>10496

Calling yourself "jew" to insinuate you are of Judah does not actually make it so. Kikes are Edomites and Caananites. Again, what does Revelation tell us about those who claim to be Judeans but are not?

>>10561

Why are you choosing Edomites and Canaanites lol?

There is far more evidence of Jews being mixed with Khazars and Yemeni Arabs.

Also, nobody is insinuating that the Serpent in Genesis is not the Devil.

>>10561

Your story of Satan seducing Eve to bear Cain is not in the Bible.

>>10563

>Why are you choosing Edomites and Canaanites lol?

Because they are.

>There is far more evidence of Jews being mixed with Khazars and Yemeni Arabs.

Not mixed with, that's who they are. And who do you think they descend from?

>Also, nobody is insinuating that the Serpent in Genesis is not the Devil.

I never know around here, this place is overflowing with idiots. So the serpent is not really a snake, it is the fallen angel Sammael taking the form of a snake. And he seduces Eve and fathers Cain.

>>10573

Your confusion is because we have no original source where Genesis 4:1 is legible. So original transcriptions and translations were based on guessing what it might say. Those guesses were incorrect. Notice how the KJV doesn't even make sense here?

“And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord.”

Gain is a man from the Lord? Then why is he wicked? And why does God reject Cain's offering? The Targums can help us here, since they are ancient translations, and those translators were much more likely to still have a legible copy than us. Pseudo-Jonathan's translation of Genesis 4:1 is:

“And Adam knew that his wife Eve had conceived from Sammael the Angel and she became pregnant and bore Cain. And he was like those on high and not like those below. And she said: ‘I have got a man from the angel of the LORD’.”

Palestinian Targum says:

"And Adam knew his wife Eve, who had desired the Angel; and she conceived, and bare Cain; and she said, I have acquired a man, the angel of the Lord …”

Cain was not the son of Adam, and it is the first born son who makes an offering to the Lord. The Lord accepted Abel's offering because he was the first born son, Cain was trying to take the place of first born but was not, so he was rejected. The story actually makes sense when told correctly.

>>10653

Why do you think Adam MUST be correct in everything he says?

>>10653

>Your confusion is because we have no original source where Genesis 4:1 is legible.

Psalm 12:6-7

The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.

Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

Deuteronomy 29:29

The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.

Psalm 119:160

Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.

>Isaiah 40:8

The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.

>Matthew 5:18

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

>Matthew 24:35

Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

>Isaiah 59:21

As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the LORD, from henceforth and for ever.

<The Targums can help us here

That's the Talmud that you quoted. It's the former religion of the pharisees that is now judaism and the synagogue of satan.

>>10653

Huh? Adam isn't saying anything here.

>>10659

Explain how any of your quotes form some kind of argument. The words of the Lord are pure. So why are you rejecting them in favor of the words of man?

>That's the Talmud that you quoted

No it is not. I clearly stated both of the books I was quoting.

As this anon said >>9560 a number of them will be saved. A small group of them currently go to the same church as myself.

>>9373

Then you arent fulfilling your sunday church obligation. Jesus' resurrection permanently moved the sabbath

>>10680

Obligatory Brother Nathanael:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/eTZESmWoCgMF/

https://www.bitchute.com/video/6oaFokr3jg9A/

>>10855

>source needed

>>10429

>>10428

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serpent_seed#Christian_Identity_movement

So our /pol/nigger friend is an adept of a gnostic-originated theory that even other CI heretics find odd.

Mods, can we please ban this faggot, if only for promoting gross heretical bulls—?

>>11671

You're quoting six month old posts you goober

Antizionism is not the same as antisemitism. Both those born as a jew and those that are of the Jewish faith are our brethren in humanity. All forms of racism are abhorrent and inherently antichristian. Repent.

>>11750

>brethren in humanity

Luke 8:21 NASB — But He answered and said to them, “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.”

Amen

And to the other anons who say otherwise, feck off idiots, of course we’re not talking about those who genuinely converted (which are very few as many who do claim to be converted still can’t let go of the Old Testament laws completely or are Zionists) and we’re not saying we shouldn’t preach the gospel to them.