/christianity/ - Christian Theology & Philosophy

The mainstream Christian position is no. The dichotomy goes like this:

>German catholics were anti Hitler

>Confessing church was anti Hitler

>State church, majority protestants in Germany were pro Hitler

Of course, opposing someone politically doesn't necessarily indicate a statement on your view of their salvation.

The anti-hitler Protestant so called hero is Bonhoeffer, and evangelicals quickly cite him, but wrongly I think. Bonhoeffer seems like such a liberal, he was a student of Karl Barth. The waters seem so muddy.

>>8771

Considering what he did during his tenure of office and supporting an outright heretical sect (Positive Christianity) and fraternizing with pagans, I highly doubt Hitler was a Christian.

Now, did he repent before he died? Maybe, I don't know.

But if we're to judge by his life alone, I'd say no, you probably won't meet him in heaven.

>>8774

was the gospel totally absent from positive christianity churches?

>My feelings as a Christian point me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter

He called himself a Christian, so we start with presuming he is unless sufficient contrary evidence can be found

>>8775

You could argue the same facetious argument with Mormon churches but they sure as hell (no pun intended) aren't saved

>>8783

Mormonism fundamentally changes the gospel message by being polytheistic, and preaching godhood for man. Does positive christianity do the same?

>>8774

>supporting an outright heretical sect (Positive Christianity)

How is it heretical?

>>8775

>>8795

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_Christianity

> In 1937, Hans Kerrl, the Nazi Minister for Church Affairs, explained that "Positive Christianity" was not "dependent upon the Apostle's Creed", nor was it dependent on "faith in Christ as the son of God", upon which Christianity relied, rather, it was represented by the Nazi Party: "The Führer is the herald of a new revelation", he said.

>not dependent upon faith in Christ as the son of God

>>8784

Woo~ you completely missed the point dipshit. Face it, you have an immense boner for Hitler and Nazism and no amount of convincing will bring you to reality. You're a lost cause and arguing with you is tantamount to throwing pearls before swine.

If you really think about it. Nazism is Zionism for white people. Considering Adolf Hitler was half-Jew it's no surprise he's the furthest thing from Christianity as possible.

>>8800

Yep, that's a false gospel. Did Hitler agree with this theology?

>>8774

how could someone who literally fought the agents of Satan not be in Heaven?

>>8784

Hey asshole, look at this post >>8800 and doing a simple fucking Google search, as biased as it is, would have answered your idiotic question.

You're an autistic fucktard who's trying to find all the arguments in favor of your counterfeit Christianity and taking up a thread on this board. Why don't you fuck off back to >>>/christian/ and come back once you grow a brain.

Fucking idiot.

>>8801

>>8804

Calm down

>>8802

I can't speak for the man, but he certainly didn't speak out against it.

>>8771

Hitler was more a fan of another religion:

Hitler wished that the Ottoman Empire had conquered Vienna in 1683: "The Mohammedan religion would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?"[

Similarly, Hitler was transcribed as saying: "Had Charles Martel not been victorious at Poitiers — already, you see, the world had fallen into the hands of the Jews, so gutless a thing was Christianity ! — then we should in all probability have been converted to Mohammedanism, that cult which glorifies heroism and which opens the seventh Heaven to the bold warrior alone. Then the Germanic races would have conquered the world. Christianity alone prevented them from doing so. "

>>8817

Hitler liked Islam?

how will /pol/ recover?

>>8800

>let me just quote what jews tell us about it, instead of what they said themselves

No rabbi. If it is heretical, you can provide evidence of this, not just jews claiming it. If they had false doctrine, it should be there in their documents, not just in jewish propaganda. And you are quoting jewish lies about a guy Hitler never even spoke to.

>>8841

Why not? That quote is entirely correct. Modern (((christianity))) is completely subverted to make whites behave in weak, submissive, suicidal fashion. This was already the case by the late 1800s. We need true Christianity back, the Christianity of the crusades.

>>8853

Did they have a confession of faith? You seem to be our relative expert

>>8855

>That quote is entirely correct.

And you call yourself a Christian, sir? Lord have mercy.

>>8771

Looking at Positive Christianity and the people surrounding it, it's pretty obvious they were working to create a Christian-themed cult around Hitler. And of course, the whole Kirchenkampf is pretty damning.

>>8853

Well /pol/, how about you provide those documents and prove that Hitler was the savior of Christianity?

>>8856

I don't know, I am asking.

>>8859

Yes. Any Christian who thinks the jewish "churches" of modernity are in any way Christian is being badly mislead. A Christian follows the teachings of Christ, not the satanic ramblings of a child raping faggot in a funny hat.

>>8863

I never claimed anything of the sort. I asked how positive Christianity was heretical, and someone quoted a jew making an unsubstantiated claim about something someone Hitler never even spoke to said.

>>8838

mental gymnastics. just like they do when supporting the most pro-isreal American president in history

>>8855

>Why not? That quote is entirely correct.

"The meek shall inherit the Earth…" and "God chose the weak and foolish of the world to shame the wise…"

If I recall my world history correctly, and I may be wrong, the "Übermensch" humanism of Nazi Germany and the extreme, vainglorious Emperor worship of Japan did not win WWII. Yeah, yeah blame (((them))), the US, or whoever; but if Japan, Germany, and Italy were truly in the right, God would have helped them through war, see Psalm 33:12; 91; and II Chronicles 7:14.

>>8896

>Any Christian who thinks the jewish "churches" of modernity are in any way Christian is being badly mislead.

Are you talking about the Messianic Jews? What about them? I thought the argument from earlier was toward all modern churches, especially modern Evangelicalism. Which is it? If the later, you must provide proof that the true and healthy Evangelical churches are cucked. Actually, provide the definition of what a cucked church looks like and show where you receive that definition from Scripture; otherwise, you sinfully add to God's Law and wisdom of what to look for.

PS. This is what you look for if you want to find healthy churches:

https://www.challies.com/articles/9-marks-of-a-healthy-church/

>I asked how positive Christianity was heretical

It's not about the glory of God or of Christ or of the Gospel or of the hope of things to come. It's entirely about the "volk" and what Christian cultural trappings can do for them. Again, if that was not blasphemous idolatry that perverted the Gospel message and God's Law, then Germany would have at least survived the war if not won it or avoid it altogether.

>>8936

>It's entirely about the "volk" and what Christian cultural trappings can do for them.

That's what we're trying to identify, but we're missing original sources

The church institution that was aligned with the Nazi state was called the German Evangelical church, which moved into the now EKD.

The confessing church gave what's called the barmen declaration against the German Evangelical church, but I can only find the barmen declaration and not the Evangelical church constitution.

That constitution was signed July 1933

>>8938

We can probably observe the true doctrines of Positive Christianity simply by studying the emphases and actions provided by the members during the cult's existence.

>>8945

>What is the truth?

<I wouldn't know.

Then why are you posting if you don't know anything?

<The existence of >>/pol/ should answer that to a certain degree.

So a big fat no then?

>>8949

>Then why are you posting if you don't know anything?

I don't know the answer to that question, because only Hitler knew what he believed. It's called intellectual honesty.

>So a big fat no then?

Our collective interpretation of history is still unfolding, and the creeping consensus is that while what he did was bad, it served to expel a foreign agent that undermined a society. Coincidentally, many in the same demographic claim they adhere to traditional (christian) values.

>>8936

You can't use God as a magical "everything I like is good" crutch. It is completely retarded to suggest that God is on the side of the victor in every war in history. How is self-improvement contrary to Christ's teachings? And why are you quoting heretical kike translations? The word means gentle, not meek. Gentleness does not mean meekness.

>Are you talking about the Messianic Jews?

No, I am talking about all the so-called "Christian" churches in 1920s and 1930s Germany.

>I thought the argument from earlier was toward all modern churches

It is.

>If the later, you must provide proof that the true and healthy Evangelical churches are cucked.

I have to provide proof of some random shit you just made up? I don't think that's how it works.

>It's not about the glory of God or of Christ or of the Gospel

Where's your proof? Everything I can find that is an actual positive christian writing says you are wrong.

>It's entirely about the "volk"

Not entirely. But of course there is huge emphasis on God's people. Just as there is in both the OT and the NT. You might want to read the bible sometime.

>Again, if that was not blasphemous idolatry that perverted the Gospel message and God's Law, then Germany would have at least survived the war if not won it or avoid it altogether.

You are God now? If not, quit telling us what God did and why when you have no way to know.

>>8800

This. Positive Christianity upheld the belief that Jesus was not Jewish, but the son of a roman soldier.

>Positive Christianity advocates also sought to deny the Semitic origins of Christ and the Bible. Based on such elements, positive Christianity separated itself from Nicene Christianity.

>>8977

Any original source for this statement?

>>8980

Up your butt and around the corner