5ed007 No.8628
Presume he's being open minded and wants to know if the five solae are in alignment with the Bible. What do you say?
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5ed007 No.8629
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For an in depth answer, I would point him to a famous lecture series by RC sproul on this topic, "What is reformed theology", to watch the first 5 lectures (20 min each)
https://www.ligonier.org/learn/series/what_is_reformed_theology/
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL30acyfm60fXICLFyvTlD36Bh-ypGcrXe
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8a889d No.8632
I don't have the time right now to type out a robust response (mostly it involves the broader context of James, the nature of Scripture as revelation and THEOPNEUSTOS, traditions referred to by Paul as the Gospel and not secret stuff, etc.).
As recompense for my lack of argumentation until a later period, here's a screencap I took from over on /christian/ of some noble brother tackling the Marian dogmas in a comprehensive fashion.
Seriously, if the brother responsible for these posts is here, kudos to you and God keep you.
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4b7c2e No.8639
>Sola scriptura
>Sola fide
>Sola gratia
>Solus christus
>Long ago, soteriology lived in harmony.
>Then, everything changed when the Roman church attacked
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bfe806 No.8644
>>8632
one point at a time there, hotshot.
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bfe806 No.8645
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b5362e No.8652
I'm not going to reply to his whole post, but I think it's really funny how he looked at 2 Timothy 3:16, and not the very next verse where it says that [through scripture] the man of God may be made complete, equipped for every good work.
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f7fdd5 No.8653
Sola fide
What to ask:
1)What is the scope of faith?-Does it include faithfulness, obedience or the mindset for these?
If yes, not much problems there
2)Does sacramental grace or union with Christ destroy sola fide?
No-Not much problems
Yes-Unbiblical
3)Does sola fide impede final judgement?
No-Not much issues
Yes-Unbiblical
Sola Scriptura should just be renamed Prima Scriptura because the type of reading done then are mostly communal based reading which lends to scripture's interpretation as church guided by nature
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f7fdd5 No.8655
>>8645
That last point is misleading because like it or not when Theotokos is used, it isnt merely just what about Jesus but also what Mary is due to the conception of Christ. In fact Marian veneration played a role in the arguments too im Cyril's tome against Nestorius.
So Protestants are in fact going against the early church by extremely minimizing the implications for veneration of Mary due to Christology
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052d8d No.8656
>>8653
You're not much of a Protestant
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f1b602 No.8657
>>8655
Here is one example before Cyril in Athanasius who knew Alexander,
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/2806061.htm
. And at this also I am much surprised, how they have ventured to entertain such an idea as that the Word became man in consequence of His Nature. For if this were so, the commemoration of Mary would be superfluous. For neither does Nature know of a Virgin bearing apart from a man. Whence by the good pleasure of the Father, being true God, and Word and Wisdom of the Father by nature, He became man in the body for our salvation, in order that having somewhat to offer for us He might save us all, 'as many as through fear of death were all their life-time subject to bondage.'
Letter 59 also refers to the commemoration of Mary. If that anon's assessment on the early Christian use of Theotokos is correct why did Athanasius essentially refers to the comemmoration of Mary when speaking of Christ, a practice which is essentially about venerating Mary?
This commemoration cannot be what Scripture says because no author during, before and after his time uses the term to refer to a specific Scriptural narrative. When this term is used, it is about liturgical commemoration, naming saints in the liturgical service which as Cyril of Jerusalem, writing close to Athanasius' time makes clear, is done to seek intercession. This is basically a liturgical veneration of saints which hardly any Protestant do.
So that anon who thinks Theotokos has no effect on Marian veneration or relation to honouring Mary is just false. Otherwise the practice of such by liturgical commemoration wouldnt be mentioned as part of arguing for Christ's deity and the incarnation
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0aee96 No.8678
>>8628
Well firstly and most importantly
<the solae are not necessarily "absolutes"
<sola scriptura for example doesnt absolutely mean "scripture alone"
<it means what we do, interpret, and base things on should be subordinated to scripture
<the solae are a framework to ensure a "orthodox" understanding of things, not absolute rules or proclamations
<its to guide us more soundly to a proper veiw as opposed to a giant book of various laws, unnecessary precedents, and heirarchy groups who care little to explain themselves or their reasoning
<the inability to see them as anything but absolute rules indicates that you dont actually understand them
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abd32e No.8733
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182350 No.8740
By faith alone, lest any man should boast. You need to be "poor in spirit" to accept the free gift of grace. But wait, is it sola fide or sola gratia?
Sola Scriptura works the same way, man does not live by bread alone but by every word of God.
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41c456 No.8742
>>8656
I am more Protestant than you. At least I am more closer to Luther and Calvin than you are
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27818f No.8744
>>8653
Church guided teaching of scripture is sola scriptura, because scripture alone remains the authority. The alternative is the church as a source of authority in itself, which is the point the reformers were standing against.
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41c456 No.8763
>>8744
It isnt. Because if church guided teaching is reliable or even sufficiently reliable despite fallibility, one is still relying on the church for the bible and even need to suppose the infallibility which the Reformers reject.
This is why Protestants argue for the right of private judgement which can supercede church judgement if one finds scripture to oppose the church.
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6812eb No.8858
>>8742
No, that you most certainly are not.
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91d33e No.8860
>>8858
You deny baptismal regeneration and the real prrsence.
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6812eb No.8861
>>8860
Is schizophrenia fun?
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27818f No.8862
>>8860
Don't you get tired of this
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11469d No.9102
https://bookofconcord.org/info.php
The Book of Concord explains them all very clearly. The problem is Papists are afraid to read it.
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