ef8661 No.6115 [View All]
Pete Buttigieg, is he the most Catholic candidate ever?
>His father, who was from Hamrun, Malta, studied to be a Jesuit priest before emigrating to the United States and embarking on a secular career as a professor of literature at the University of Notre Dame in South Bend.[13][14] The surname Buttigieg is of Maltese origin.[15] His mother was a professor at Notre Dame for 29 years.[16]
>The University of Notre Dame du Lac (or simply Notre Dame /ˌnoʊtərˈdeɪm/ NOH-tər-DAYM or ND) is a private Catholic research university in Notre Dame, Indiana.[7]
>Buttigieg is Christian,[76][77][78] and has said his faith has had a strong influence in his life.[79][49] His parents baptized him in a Catholic church as an infant and he attended Catholic schools.[80]
And he's a faggot of course:
>In a June 2015 piece in the South Bend Tribune, Buttigieg announced that he is gay.[93] He also is the first openly gay presidential candidate for the Democratic Party and the second overall, after Fred Karger, a Republican.[94]
>In December 2017 Buttigieg announced his engagement to Chasten Glezman, who has been a junior high school teacher for eight years; they had been dating since August 2015 after meeting on the dating app Hinge.[95][96][97] They were married on June 16, 2018, in a private ceremony at the Cathedral of St. James.[98][77] As of April 2019 Chasten also uses the surname Buttigieg.[99]
AHAHAHAHAHA
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44b81f No.6148
>>6115
<ummm you see those catholics are in america so those aren't real catholics
>t./christian/
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2944ef No.6152
>>6119
If there's four people in the Trinity it's no longer a Trinity is it?
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ea40f0 No.6421
>>6124
Well, what I've got from Catholics themselves, is that these people get auto-excommunicated in such cases ("not true Catholics!!!", Basically, as anon above stated).
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a09776 No.6422
>>6421
Doesn't that defeat the biggest Catholic argument? The one about unity and authority passed down for millennia? If every Catholic can have their headcanon about who is excommunicated, then they're hardly the megalithic universal church they claim to be.
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ea40f0 No.6425
>>6422
No, its kind of different. They have kind of set rules and if someone disobeys it, they automatically get excommunicated. It's kind of understandable seeing how many faggots and perverts got there.
Technically we also have that, but the difference here is that excommunicated are technically still members of the church but they are restrained from r curving certain mysteries/sacraments until they repent or certain time has passed (its also known as epitameia).
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ea40f0 No.6426
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ea40f0 No.6427
>>6426
>>6425
Also yes, I understand that I used lots of tautology, so I apologise. English isn't my native language
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a09776 No.6431
>>6425
Yeah, it makes a type of sense. What I mean, is what does an automatic excommunication actually do to affect the religious life of a Catholic Pete Buttigieg? He publicly flaunts abominable sin, yet outside of the opinion of conservative Catholics, he doesn't seem to get any punishment.
If somebody was found out a sodomite in my local Baptist church he'd be ejected.
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984051 No.6432
>surname starts with Butt
>gay Catholic
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a09776 No.6434
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6e65f5 No.6440
>>6431
AFAIK it simply makes sacraments that he receives to be invalid and not contributing to the salvation of his immortal soul. Also it enables Catholics to shout #nottruecatholic, since this guy is technically no longer Catholic from Catholic stand point until he repents.
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6e65f5 No.6441
>>6440
Ok, nevermind what I have said. It seems that beating a Pope is far graver sin than sodomy for those guys…
>The 1983 Code of Canon Law attaches the penalty of (automatic excommunication) to the following actions:
>Apostates, heretics, and schismatics (can. 1364)
>Desecration of the Eucharist (can. 1367)
>A person who physically attacks the pope (can. 1370)
>A priest who in confession absolves a partner with whom they have violated the sixth commandment (can. 977, can. 1378)
>A bishop who consecrates another bishop without papal mandate (can. 1382) An example of this would be the case of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre who was excommunicated in 1988. The excommunication was lifted in 2009 in anticipation of a reconciliation (which did not occur).[13]
>A priest who violates the seal of the confessional (can. 1388)
>A person who procures an abortion (can. 1398)
>Accomplices who were needed to commit an action that has an automatic excommunication penalty (can. 1329)
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798d0e No.6449
Why do homosexuals always look like this?
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25672d No.6468
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cd514d No.6541
>>6441
Well claiming that homosexual behaviour is morally licit is heresy, and he has done so publicly I'm sure many times. And participating in a mock-wedding between two men (in a Cathedral no less[!]) defiles the sanctity of a sacrament and so is Sacrilege, as is receiving the eucharist not in a state of grace (which we can conjecture he almost certainly has).
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4dec71 No.6622
>>6541
>Cathedral no less
Probably gave a hefty donation for the service. RCC give enough money you can buy your way to heaven.
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ab7cfc No.6930
>>6119
Married clergy has never been a normal thing since the Apostolic age, nor will it combat the actual problem of homosexual infiltration. Baptists are undergoing their own child abuse scandals and the catholic church has the same average child abuse rates as the other denominations.
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3eb996 No.6933
>>6930
>the catholic church has the same average child abuse rates as the other denominations.
Citation?
>Married clergy has never been a normal thing since the Apostolic age
It's a biblical requirement
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ab7cfc No.6955
>>6933
Married clergy during the Apostolic age was never the norm, nor is it an actual biblical requirement for priests to do so. While in the Eastern rite priests may marry before becoming ordained, in the west aside from rare exceptions priests cannot be married, instilled as a discipline during the middle ages. It is a demanding vocation to oversee your flock as their spiritual father, which is why celibacy was made dominant.
As for the abuse rates, annually there is only 201 within the Catholic church. Priests are no more likely to abuse children than other males or pastors, but the appearance of disproportionate circumstance is made as the spotlighting is done in waves.
"Since the mid-1980s, insurance companies have offered sexual misconduct coverage as a rider on liability insurance, and their own studies indicate that Catholic churches are not higher risk than other congregations. Insurance companies that cover all denominations, such as Guide One Center for Risk Management, which has more than 40,000 church clients, does not charge Catholic churches higher premiums. "We don't see vast difference in the incidence rate between one denomination and another," says Sarah Buckley, assistant vice president of corporate communications. "It's pretty even across the denominations." It's been that way for decades. While the company saw an uptick in these claims by all types of churches around the time of the 2002 U.S. Catholic sex-abuse scandal, Eric Spacick, Guide One's senior church-risk manager, says "it's been pretty steady since." On average, the company says 80 percent of the sexual misconduct claims they get from all denominations involve sexual abuse of children."
https://www.newsweek.com/priests-commit-no-more-abuse-other-males-70625
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0f1bd6 No.6960
>>6955
1 Timothy 3:1-2 NASB — It is a trustworthy statement: if any man aspires to the office of overseer, it is a fine work he desires to do. An overseer, then, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, prudent, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,
>An overseer.. must be.. husband of one wife
>their own studies indicate that Catholic churches are not higher risk than other congregations
Are these available to us?
Are there other studies that we can see?
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ab7cfc No.6969
>>6960
When referring to the husband of one wife, priests as an established rule from the Apostles is that they can only marry one wife and never remarry unless dispensation is granted for extraordinary reasons such as having the need to raise multiple children. In context the passage speaks of what a Bishop should be like to hold his office. Saint Augustine was formerly the Bishop of Hippo despite never marrying as an example.
Now as for the studies while I could not find the specific insurance data, I did find other sources regarding abuse in other denominations.
"In a 1984 survey, 38.6 percent of ministers reported sexual contact with a church member, and 76 percent knew of another minister who had had sexual intercourse with a parishioner.[xiii] In the same year, a Fuller Seminary survey of 1,200 ministers found that 20 percent of theologically “conservative” pastors admitted to some sexual contact outside of marriage with a church member. The figure jumped to over 40 percent for “moderates”; 50 percent of “liberal” pastors confessed to similar behavior.[xiv]
In 1990, in a study by the Park Ridge Center for the Study of Health, Faith and Ethics in Chicago, it was learned that 10 percent of ministers said they had had an affair with a parishioner and about 25 percent admitted some sexual contact with a parishioner.[xv] Two years later, a survey by Leadership magazine found that 37 percent of ministers confessed to having been involved in “inappropriate sexual behavior” with a parishioner.[xvi]
In a 1993 survey by the Journal of Pastoral Care, 14 percent of Southern Baptist ministers said they had engaged in “inappropriate sexual behavior,” and 70 percent said they knew a minister who had had such contact with a parishioner.[xvii] Joe E. Trull is co-author of the 1993 book, Ministerial Ethics, and he found that “from 30 to 35 percent of ministers of all denominations admit to having sexual relationships—from inappropriate touching to sexual intercourse—outside of marriage.”[xviii]
According to a 2000 report to the Baptist General Convention in Texas, “The incidence of sexual abuse by clergy has reached ‘horrific proportions.’” It noted that in studies done in the 1980s, 12 percent of ministers had “engaged in sexual intercourse with members” and nearly 40 percent had “acknowledged sexually inappropriate behavior.” The report concluded that “The disturbing aspect of all research is that the rate of incidence for clergy exceeds the client-professional rate for physicians and psychologists.”[xix] Regarding pornography and sexual addiction, a national survey disclosed that about 20 percent of all ministers are involved in the behavior.[xx]
In the spring of 2002, when the sexual abuse scandal in the Catholic Church was receiving unprecedented attention, the Christian Science Monitor reported on the results of national surveys by Christian Ministry Resources. The conclusion: “Despite headlines focusing on the priest pedophile problem in the Roman Catholic Church, most American churches being hit with child sexual-abuse allegations are Protestant, and most of the alleged abusers are not clergy or staff, but church volunteers.”[xxi]
Finally, in the authoritative work by Penn State professor Philip Jenkins, Pedophiles and Priests, it was determined that between .2 and 1.7 percent of priests are pedophiles. The figure among the Protestant clergy ranges between 2 and 3 percent.[xxii]
Article:https://www.catholicleague.org/sexual-abuse-in-social-context-catholic-clergy-and-other-professionals/
Sources:
[xiii] Dale Neal, “Methodist Clergy Instructed in Sexual Ethics at Conference,” Asheville Citizen-Times, May 14, 2002, p. 1B.
[xiv] Cal Thomas, “Their Sins only Start with Abuse,” Baltimore Sun, June 19, 2002, p. 9A.
[xv] James L. Franklin, “Sexual Misconduct Seen as a Serious Problem in Religion,”Boston Globe, October 23, 1991, p. 24.
[xvi] “Pastors Are People, Too!”, Focus on the Family, May 1996, p. 7.
[xvii] Teresa Watanabe, “Sex Abuse by Clerics—A Crisis of Many Faiths,” Los Angeles Times, March 25, 2002, p. A1.
[xviii] Cal Thomas, “Their Sins only Start with Abuse,” Baltimore Sun, June 19, 2002, p. 9A.
[xix] Terry Mattingly, “Baptists’ Traditions Make it Hard to Oust Sex-Abusing Clergy,”Knoxville News-Sentinel, June 22, 2002, p. C2.
[xx] “Assemblies of God Tackles Problem of Porn Addiction Among Ministers,” Charisma, January 2001, p. 24.
[xxi] Mark Clayton, “Sex Abuse Spans Spectrum of Churches,” Christian Science Monitor, April 5, 2002, p. 1.
[xxii] Philip Jenkins, Pedophiles and Priests (New York: Oxford University Press), pp. 50 and 81.
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9e171c No.6988
>>6955
>>6960
>>6969
With the scriptural requirement of marriage the relevant portion for interpretation is not the requirement itself but the accompanying explanation in verses 4-5 since this is where Paul gives his reasoning.
<He must manage his own household well, with all dignity keeping his children submissive, for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how will he care for God's church?
Paul's reasoning is that a man must be married to be a pastor since his capabilities as the leader of a family are taken as proof of his ability as a leader of a church. Thus it is an apostolic mandate. It does however imply room for exceptions where a man's personal history could demonstrate the same necessary abilities without marriage; for example, Martin Luther, who was a pastor before he was a husband, had demonstrated his ability to rule the house of God by his experience as a Romish priest. While it would certainly be improper, disobedient and sinful, the ordination of an unmarried man would not on that account alone be invalid.
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7d6743 No.6990
>>6988
Where do you find the room for exceptions?
The only argument I've found consistent for unmarried pastors is that the phrase is better translated as "one woman man", as in not an adulterer; as opposed to the stricter translation "husband of one wife"
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282cef No.7739
Why are Catholics always such raging faggots?
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84c37b No.7744
>>7739
They're not, that's a fallacious line of reasoning.
Let me restate it for you:
>"Why are Roman Catholics so often raging faggots?"
Here's an obvious observation that's a proven contributing factor:
Unnatural requirement of pastoral celibacy
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282cef No.7747
>>7744
Nah, I think it has something to do with Papism. There were loads of popes who were extreme sexual degenerates, and if the the head of church can get away with such debauchery, then surely the average Catholic won't be judged too harshly for it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sexually_active_popes#Homosexual_relationships
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qD3SFt-wJ0
Fuck Papism and fuck Cathofaggots.
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2ff30f No.7749
>>6990
>Where do you find the room for exceptions?
In the purpose of the mandate "for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how will he care for God's church", what is demanded is not so much marriage as proof of their ability to govern a house, which is normatively provided in marriage.
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1fc5ef No.7752
>>7739
This entire board is dedicated to getting pants-shittingly mad at Catholics because of the hotpockets on /christian/ + general Braaptist/Prot Catholic antipathy. Don't kid yourself.
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84c37b No.7753
>>7749
That's a fair answer
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84c37b No.7756
>>7752
This is a board for discussing Christianity. Nobody should be caring about /christian/ here once they're banned over there.
Most discussion has nothing to do with them.
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c1fe2b No.7764
>>7749
That doesn't leave room for exceptions. Marriage is demanded, to prove that they are capable of running a family. "Celibate" faggot child molester priests are doing what exactly as an alternative to being married to prove they can run a family?
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ce2941 No.7769
>>7747
>www.thewaronfanaticism.com
HAHAHHAHA protsestants will use atheist sources to attack catholics, amazing.
>Fuck Papism and fuck Cathofaggots.
the absolute seething. If you loved us you would pray for us.
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817944 No.7777
>>7769
But I don't love you, I hate you. I'm Orthodox btw.
Fucking die Cathofags.
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0248bb No.7778
>>7777
terrible achievement of dubs, and not a very Christians attitude, even if you strongly disagree with them. God is not behind your tilted hatred.
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ff77db No.7779
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f8142c No.7780
>>7779
Very charitable, way to take the high ground
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71c573 No.7781
>>7779
>1st pic
And I looked and behold a pale horse, and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him
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6f1720 No.7783
>>7778
I dunno, maybe God got the 7777 to show us (1) that while we're not to let the sun set on our anger, we're supposed to hate His enemies with a perfect hatred (2) Catholicism is His enemy. St. Paul said 4 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
Conscence seared with a hot iron describes the clergy who to this day protect and cover up sexual abuse of children.
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0f1bd6 No.7784
>>7783
Superstition is idolatry
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760a21 No.7807
>>7779
Nice ad hominem fantasy, here's a reality check.
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760a21 No.7808
>>7783
In addition to that the Catholic Church is the Whore of Babylon from Revelation, since Rome is Babylon in early Christian speak, sitting on the seven hills of Rome. It's apparent to anyone who reads the Bible that the Catholic Church is the fake church, and this has only been proven in recent times.
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0f1bd6 No.7809
>>7807
>mp4
>"there is a sexual nature to the eucharist"
wat
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b943d8 No.8598
bump for upcoming elections
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d5eeda No.8619
>>7807
Things like this really worry me. I want to become a pastor, but I know my lust towards children is dangerous, and I'm scared I might become the next scandal if put in that position
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0f1bd6 No.8622
>>8619
If you have a doubt at all you absolutely should not become a pastor or involve yourself in children's ministry. Pedophilia isnt an affliction to a normal healthy man.
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b943d8 No.8623
>>8619
>Catholic
>lusts towards children
pottery
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ca9bbb No.8624
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d5eeda No.8625
>>8622
>Pedophilia isnt an affliction to a normal healthy man.
I don't know what you mean by this, could you rephrase or elaborate?
>>8623
I'm not Catholic, that's why I said pastor, not priest
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0f1bd6 No.8626
>>8625
I mean that there is something abnormally wrong with you or anyone who has pedophilic lusts. It is deviant. A normal man will face sexual temptation, but will find temptation by a child unfathomable. Same with homosexuality.
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f75065 No.8658
>>6122
I imagine it’s peer pressure from the outside world. They say “change your beliefs or you’re a bigot” and the pope’s will to please the world is weaker than his will to please the Lord
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