b69c0d No.853111
I love nature and I see it as a sign of God, only He could've made something that beautiful but then there are people like John Muir who say that nature is more sacred than cathedrals. I know Saints have gone into nature to get away from the temptations of civilised life, but is feeling closer to God in nature pagan?
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000000 No.853113
>>853111
>is feeling closer to God in nature pagan?
No. If it brings you closer to God then it's good.
Even if you loved nature more than God, it wouldn't be pagan provided you understood and agreed that God was what mattered most. (Loving God above all things is definitely something to ask for though)
It's wrong to think that if you love something other than God too much i.e. when your love for a created thing crosses some sort of threshold that you immediately become pagan. Paganism is a matter of mindset, not intensity of feeling.
You haven't rejected the idea that ultimately it is God who is most important and so you are not pagan and are at no risk of accidentally becoming one provided this is true.
>nature is more sacred than cathedrals
You may not be Catholic and so you may think that this doesn't concern you but I'm quite confident that when John Muir said this, he was attacking the entirety of Christianity and the Cathedral was merely a representative of it. In this line then, John Muir explicitly rejects the supremacy that belongs only to God. You are not doing this and so you are not pagan.
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7f45ca No.853114
>>853111
when does eating sacrificed meat become pagan? it doesnt, paul says so. it would only be pagan if you make it pagan. so with that mentality in mind, when does appreciatjon of nature become pagan? only when you make it pagan.
paul says:
>you can eat the pagan-sacrificed animals because you know god actually made it for you
so in that case
>you can appreciate the nature that pagans are worshiping because you know god actually made it for you
case closed
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ed8098 No.853115
Nature is God's creation.
Modern cities are paganistic, since they're human creations.
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000000 No.853118
Yosemite Valley. Nature? Shopping malls, traffic jams and smog.
60 years ago you could just drive up there and throw out a sleeping bag.
Now you have to make reservations
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b69c0d No.853121
>>853118
I used that picture as it had relevance as John Muir said the things in OP about Yosemite.
>>853113
I am Catholic, and I can see your point. I am not very acquainted with Muir but I thought he was nominally Christian? Or was he deist?
>>853114
Good point.
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bee6b1 No.853124
If we call it mother its paganism, its not mother, its a creation of God like ourselves.
There's that St.Francis hymn where he praises God by describing the beauties of creation.(Canticle of Brother Sun and Sister Moon)
Also we are to protect nature out of charity for other humans who will come after us, not for its own sake.
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6394d9 No.853126
>>853111
>When Does Love of Nature Become Pagan?
It's basically an (admittedly smart) advertising campaign for neopaganism. People naturally like nature. So, when you say that makes you pagan, it convinces people that paganism has a point. It's kinda like how Atheists brag about LOGIC™️ and REASON™️ to make themselves look smarter.
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7c658b No.853130
When you wake up in the middle of the night because you heard a noise, open your tent, and find a bear staring you in the face, it does bring you closer to God and the last 4 things.
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e9ee13 No.853141
cant get more pagan than living in a society
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231e26 No.853144
>>853111
Paganism wasnt that much about "muh nature", anyway.
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6394d9 No.853157
>>853144
"Paganism" is just the practices of pre-Christian peoples. Many of them were nature-worshipers.
Some of them (like Late Roman Pagans) didn't care much for nature-worship though.
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a9fbd3 No.853175
>>853111
>When Does Love of Nature Become Pagan?
I guess when it surpasses your love for God. Other than that, it doesn't.
>>853115
Cities can't be pagan, Jerusalem was a city.
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b44407 No.853214
>>853115
So because houses are made by man, you're a pagan for living in one?
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000000 No.853216
>>853157
Jews are pre-Christian in a way, and Jewish and not pagan.
There are jews, heretics and pagans. Pagans worship false gods.
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