Orthodoxy is not Catholicism minus the Pope

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Orthodoxy is not Catholicism minus the Pope † 02/02/21 (Tue) 10:32:22 987bd1 No.852872

No, Orthodoxy is not Catholicism minus the Pope. Orthodox do not believe in purgatory, Orthodox do not believe in transubstantiation, Orthodox do not believe in the filioque, Orthodox do not believe in original sin, Orthodox do not believe in the immaculate conception, Orthodox do not use unleavened bread in the divine liturgy, Orthodox do not celebrate Pascha before the Jewish Passover, Orthodox involve children in the entire life of the Church unlike Catholics, and Orthodox do not believe in the use of statues or images of God the Father, and Orthodox use the LXX instead of the Vulgate for the OT.

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† 02/02/21 (Tue) 11:06:05 21e2f3 No.852873

Orthodox also do not believe in the bible, that's something they have in common though

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† 02/02/21 (Tue) 11:48:22 c69acc No.852875

>>852873

rekt

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† 02/02/21 (Tue) 12:15:00 c493b1 No.852881

>>852872

Thanks for clarifying things out. Turns out they are way less based than I thought :'(

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† 02/02/21 (Tue) 15:05:24 605e84 No.852884

True. Catholicism minus the pope could be the most closely identified with Anglicanism.

That last sentence is wrong though. Catholics don't use the vulgate as a manuscript source for the old testament, the vulgate is itself a translation of the whole bible from the Greek and Hebrew manuscripts available to Jerome.

Sometimes EO will use Septuagint based translations for their old testaments, and the rcc has vulgate translations that they periodically update, but in English its common for EO to use NKJV or KJV which is translated from Hebrew manuscripts and most catholic translations will use the current edition of biblia hebraica (like the NAB)

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† 02/02/21 (Tue) 15:21:33 7304b3 No.852885

>>852881

It depends upon the Orthodox Church. Some Orthodox are in communion with the Church, other's are not. Op's post makes the mistake of being too general, and in some places doesn't understand the basic Catholic faith e.g. Roman rite is unleavened bread, Eastern right is leavened.

Without one leader, they'll splinter into different beliefs.

>>852884

The Anglican Church was founded on divorce because the Catholics don't allow it.

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† 02/02/21 (Tue) 15:21:38 cc801b No.852886

>Orthodox do not believe in purgatory

They sort of do. What you mean to say is they don't believe in purgatory as was devised by the Western scholastics and dogmatised by the Western Church.

They certainly believe in some form of post-death trial and purification, difference being instead of having it emerge as a logical conclusion out of theological rigor in regards to sanctification/theosis, they've gone off of monks having visions.

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† 02/02/21 (Tue) 15:33:22 605e84 No.852888

>>852885

>The Anglican Church was founded on divorce because the Catholics don't allow it.

Yeah and Hitler went to war because he just hated Jews, and the black man invented peanut butter and the light bulb

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† 02/02/21 (Tue) 19:10:54 7304b3 No.852905

>>852888

Why do you argue from false examples? That is a fallacy.

King Henry VIII wanted to divorce his wives so he could stop framing them for crimes then chop their heads off. So, he made himself the head of the Church and then butchered even more people and looted the Catholic Churches as well. That's the basis of Anglicanism.

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† 02/02/21 (Tue) 19:36:28 21e2f3 No.852907

>>852905

Papist history never fails to entertain

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† 02/02/21 (Tue) 22:13:16 7e2cb9 No.852913

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>>852885

>Without one leader, they'll splinter into different beliefs.

That's true of all of the state churches, for not believing in Christ.

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† 02/02/21 (Tue) 22:42:32 aa57f3 No.852918

>>852905

Based

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Christanon 02/03/21 (Wed) 21:43:09 8c0ecc No.852943

>>852872

>Orthodox do not believe in purgatory

See >>852886

>Orthodox do not believe in transubstantiation

They do believe that the eucharist is Christ's body, they just don't bother to name it or specify it

>Orthodox do not believe in the filioque

Some reject it as heresy, but some don't consider it a Church-dividing issue and hold that Catholic understanding of it is orthodox

>Orthodox do not believe in original sin

They do, but they use the name differently and some have a twisted view on what Catholicism teaches

>Orthodox do not believe in the immaculate conception

Not a dogma for them, but if understood well, most of them will agree. They do hold that she never commited any sin

>Orthodox do not use unleavened bread in the divine liturgy, Orthodox do not celebrate Pascha before the Jewish Passover

Both true for Eastern Catholics

>Orthodox involve children in the entire life of the Church unlike Catholics

Quite uncharitable description, but again, true for Eastern Catholics as well

>Orthodox do not believe in the use of statues or images of God the Father

Minor issue for Roman Catholics and probably Eastern Catholics would also object to images of God the Father, as they have a more developed tradition of icons

>Orthodox use the LXX instead of the Vulgate for the OT

See: >>852884

But yeah, I agree, Orthodoxy is not just "Catholicism without a pope". You just listed the wrong reasons

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† 02/05/21 (Fri) 13:18:26 fd5735 No.852990

>>852873

"We ought not, as soon as we leave church, to plunge into business unsuited to church, but as soon as we get home, we should take the Scriptures into our hands, and call our wife and children to join us in putting together what we have heard in church." - Chrysostom

They were translating the scriptures constantly and all of those Byzantine saints quoted and encouraged reading them. You're just projecting your own Western based trauma from Catholics in places where it doesn't belong. Learn something new for a change.

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† 02/05/21 (Fri) 13:29:42 fd5735 No.852991

>>852905

>That's the basis of Anglicanism.

That's the tail end of the story. Henry was a late comer to movements that had been brewing among the English for a couple of hundred years before him.

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† 02/05/21 (Fri) 20:23:12 7304b3 No.852999

>>852991

Okay.

How does your point change anything? Did not King Henry and later monarchs of the UK claim to be the head of the Anglican Church?

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