b83f20 No.852559
Title is my question.
When Jesus became human, did he forget his time in heaven?
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000000 No.852562
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e0e2c4 No.852570
No, that's not how it works.
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0e703b No.852574
Your question is based on the following assumptions:
- heaven features a time axis
- heaven is source of perceptions that are memorized in some way
- those perceptions make sense in our dimension
In other words there is not a "before being incarnated" and "after being incarnated". There is all things were made through the Christ (Who is the door), plus "he was made man" with all the prerogatives of man, including learning and growing up. I think Jesus is a dimension of God, but modalism is a slippery slope from there when it forgets that God wanted to be 100% man and to be 100% of an example.
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0711f3 No.852576
>>852574
Hypostatic union. When God was manifest in the flesh, his divine nature continued to be omniscient, but his human nature was made of no reputation (Philippians 2:7). Hence the Lord Jesus, according to His humanity, did not know the day and hour when all things would be done (Mark 13:32), but according to His divinity He did still know.
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05e739 No.852577
what if we were created into a diffrent image.
It says we were created with the image of god. What was our image before god came into our world then
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000000 No.852582
>>852577
>what if we were created into a diffrent image.
Then we would not be human. Dogs aren't in God's image and they were God's creation.
>It says we were created with the image of god. What was our image before god came into our world then
there was no world or "we" before God made the world and then, on the 6th day breathed our immortal souls into our human bodies.
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06f81d No.852919
>>852559
Well He is God, so no.
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7985a1 No.852958
No
>>852576
What you are describing is not the hypostatic union, it is Nestorianism. If the eternal Son of God and the man Jesus of Nazareth did not have the exact same mind, then they are really two different persons and may not be viewed as the same. Jesus the God and Jesus the man knew absolutely all the same things, because they were one and the same. >but his human nature was made of no reputation
No, "He made Himself of no reputation", meaning not that He cast his divinity away in some way, but that He became clothed in human flesh and took on the lack of fame a mere man has compared to the immortal glorified God. The underlying words literally mean "made Himself nothing".
>Hence the Lord Jesus, according to His humanity, did not know the day and hour when all things would be done (Mark 13:32), but according to His divinity He did still know.
Then we would be able to ascertain that the eternal omniscient God was not speaking in that moment, but only a mere man. The sense in which the Son does not know the day and the hour is that it was decided by the Father.
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11c1c2 No.852959
>>852958
>took on the lack of fame a mere man has compared to the immortal glorified God. The underlying words literally mean "made Himself nothing".
This "lack of fame" would have been nowhere winnie the pooh close to that of a normal person, since he wouldn't have been a normal person and possessed godly knowledge, including of God's fame, meaning his own.
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e4f373 No.852977
>>852958
"it is Nestorianism"
Nonsense. You're trying to hide behind a word whose definition you probably don't even understand. It's the same as political arguments when people accuse things of being "fascist" or "socialist". Just meaningless terms to hide your ignorance.
>Jesus the God and Jesus the man knew absolutely all the same things
>"And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?" that is, "My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?"
If your claim were true then Jesus never would have asked that question. The trinity is a mystery. It doesn't adhere to our logic. People that argue one opinion or another is the only correct one are people that believe salvation is a result of knowledge- which is a luciferian belief, not a Christian one.
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7985a1 No.852996
>>852959
Very few people knew the name Jesus of Nazareth before He began His ministry
>>852977
>Nonsense. You're trying to hide behind a word whose definition you probably don't even understand. It's the same as political arguments when people accuse things of being "fascist" or "socialist". Just meaningless terms to hide your ignorance.
Not an argument. The accusation was clearly correct, since you proceed to repeat the Nestorian heresy by distinguishing between the divine Jesus and the human Jesus, but in scripture, in reality, these are one and the same.
>If your claim were true then Jesus never would have asked that question
He was fulfilling prophecy
In John 12:27-28 Jesus forsees that the hour is fast approaching when He would taste death for every man. He knows He is going to be betrayed, He knows who, He knows how and He knows exactly what it will mean. He knows all these things, in intimate detail, well in advance. And He expresses mortal fear over it. Tell me, who was speaking, Jesus the God, or Jesus the man?
>The trinity is a mystery.
We are not discussing the trinity, this is the hypostatic union.
>People that argue one opinion or another is the only correct one are people that believe salvation is a result of knowledge
Salvation comes by faith in the true God- the TRUE God, not a false one. We had best know what it is in which we place our faith, or faith is in vain and we are still in our sins.
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6b6345 No.853003
>>852996
>Very few people knew the name Jesus of Nazareth before He began His ministry
So? They knew God, and he knew himself. He was nowhere near "nothing", even if he was in the eyes of others.
Acting does not actually make you the person you're acting as. Hard concept grasp, I know.
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7985a1 No.853005
>>853003
>he was in the eyes of others
Which is what that scripture is talking about
>Acting does not actually make you the person you're acting as
He wasn't acting, He was a man.
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8d8054 No.853073
>>853005
>He wasn't acting, He was a man.
He wasn't a man, but both a man and a God, and the acting is analogous to him not being a mere mortal, you cretin.
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70ab23 No.853081
>>853073
He didn't act as though he was mere mortal, you retard. He performed miracles, claimed to be God, and then foretold of His own death and resurrection, and pulled it off.
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2d02bb No.853207
>>853081
Great job supporting my point, you absolute cretin.
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a9b845 No.853215
>>853081
>>853207
Behold how good and pleasant it is when brothers dwell in unity of utter mutual disdain.
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