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>To Thomas - Jesus said, “Because you have seen me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe.”

So dont stress it. Also feelings are irrelevant.

For having a relationship with God you pray and persevere in prayer regardless of if it feels good or not.

Excellent book to learn prayer:

http://www.strobertbellarmine.net/books/Lehodey--MentalPrayer.pdf

That image doenst make sense, Jesus saves us from ourselves, we willingly go to hell and lock the door from the inside, He doesnt send us there. Those who sin cant stand to be in God's presence. We see this with Adam and Eve, as soon as they sin they hide from God.

>>852294

Perfect bible quote, thank you, it means a lot to me. Thank you for the recommendation, i will read it.

>That image doesn't make sense,

It's suppose to be a joke, but yeah, it's not very well thought out.

>>852303

>What God gave us to believe on is his word.

>That is not a solid ground on which to build the foundation of your life.

Yes, i need to read the bible more, I've started reading Mathew

>Well, if you have heard His word but deny that Jesus has contacted you, all I can say is you must be mistaken.

I didn't think of it as Jesus contacting us, but yeah you're right.

>>852303

Catholicism builds off scripture. It just doesn't interpret scripture in a way that contradicts God's creation. If you interpret the Bible one way and the opposite turns out to be true in the real world then well… you're wrong. It doesn't matter how strongly the Bible "appears" to make a case for the falsehood. Like you said, trees are known for their fruit.

>>852303

Catholicism is a christian religion that gets many doctrines wrong, developed by generally well intentioned people and sometimes bad actors, which gradually drifted into the major errors

>>852305

This is liberalism

>>852307

>conforming to reality is liberalism

I don't think you put much thought into what you just said.

>>852307

>liberalism

u don't seem to know much about catholic doctrine; maybe go learn more before putting out a nonsensical comment obviously keying off false presuppositions/assumptions?

>>852308

>>852312

Yes, holding the authority of the world of natural sciences above biblical hermeneutics meets the definition of theological liberalism.

Taking a patronizing tone is not an argument.

>>852312

>>852316

You're literally an atheist if you believe Catholic theology is about a different reality from the only one. Logic chopping isn't an argument.

>>852304

>I didn't think of it as Jesus contacting us, but yeah you're right.

Amen! I think one of the key things people do not realize is how God has directly given us as our Lord what we are supposed to know. Our Lord is capable of bringing to us his word, and everything about the Bible is about God the Son, (and that is why he calls it "the record that God gave of his Son" because the Son is just that important). He was there in the beginning, from which man first was made in his image. He was there from the beginning, the plan was from the beginning. And He is, and was, and will be at the end.

I was reading the gospel of John when I was saved, and I can highly recommend it. John writes toward the end of that book that "these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life in his name." So I would definitely include it in your readings.

And of course if you read English primarily you want to use the KJV so that you do not miss all the parts that are removed or changed in most modern versions, some of which are just undeniably important, like the thief on the cross saying "Lord" and various teachings of Christ being falsified in those modern versions through many words being removed (Matthew 5:22, Mark 10:24 being some examples) as well as his deity being reduced or made unclear (Luke 2:33, 1 Timothy 3:16, Colossians 2:2, Ephesians 3:14, Revelation 1:11 and especially Philippians 2:6 of the ESV and NASB as examples). But that is a complex subject, so I would just say God is able to bring his word to this world in this day just as much as God was able to inspire his word in the first place. We have to believe in his ability no matter what. And His word never changes, so if you believe the teachings like in Matthew 24:35 where Jesus said "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall never pass away," then you can be settled.

For the same reason, if you do not read English primarily, then I strongly recommend you try to find another translation in that language based on the same received sources that do not leave out the truth in question. I say this because the total amount of changes in modern versions is very extensive and the total damage done by this is hard to predict. Paul the apostle writes in Romans 10:17, "So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." So you see how important it is that we be studying the actual word of God in order for faith to come. God bless friend.

>>852305

>If you interpret the Bible

We are not supposed to be interpreting Scripture. We are supposed to pray and let the Holy Spirit do that. As it says in 1 Cor. 2:13, "Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual."

And also in 1 John 2:27, "But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him."

>and the opposite turns out to be true in the real world

Is this a reference to evolution or something? Giving no example makes this somewhat of a vague statement. Things that "turn out to be true in the real world" are all congruent to what the Holy Spirit teaches about his Word, being that God is one and the same Creator.

>>852307

Belief and actions are tangible things. They are far moreso than "intentions," which you can shift around however you like. If you want to say this or that person has good intentions, they will not disagree with you, but it is vague in the extreme because you are placing yourself as the arbiter of what intentions are good or not. Think about it for a second. "I think they are well intentioned." What does that statement really say? It just says I personally am willing to think that some do not meet the criteria for being evil. Well that does not mean that they actually don't. It's just your opinion. "Well intentioned" just means it meets my criteria, the implication being that if it meets my criteria that's all that matters.

But thinking that someone, especially a false prophet of all people, has "good" (in the true, godly sense) intentions anyway, is illusory. If someone is really being led by God's grace, that will not lead them to teach and devise false doctrines and things that go against the word of God.

Especially when you see the levels of falsity attached to the cultlike methods used in the advancement of the spread of said untrue ideas.

>>852325

>So I would definitely include it in your readings.

Yes, i'm making my way there, i'm a slow reader. I'm reading the KJV specifically because i heard of versus removed or altered to appeal the government and New World order, or to change the teachings of Chirst, and alter the deity of Christ as you said.

>God bless friend.

God bless you two.

Argue you denominations as you pleased, but in the end the most that any of us can do is accept Jesus as the perfect sacrifice for our sins, ask for forgiveness, and throw ourselves upon the mercy of our heavenly Father.