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NON EST VERA LIBERTAS NISI IN SOLA ECCLESIA CATHOLICA
The purpose of this thread is to provide a place for general Catholic discussion. Mass, readings, rosary - everything that is connected with the faith.
Other denominations welcome, although we politely ask you to keep the arguments about our theological differences in other threads.
Useful links:
Official Vatican website: www.vatican.va
Today's readings: www.ewtn.com/daily-readings/
Papal encyclicals: www.papalencyclicals.net
Catholic encyclopedia online: www.newadvent.org/cathen/
Summa Theologiae of St. Thomas Aquinas online: www.newadvent.org/summa/
How to pray the rosary: www.rosarycenter.org/homepage-2/rosary/how-to-pray-the-rosary/
Divine Office (liturgy of the hours): www.divineoffice.org/welcome/
Little Office of the Immaculate Conception: www.catholic.org/prayers/prayer.php?p=1925
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92635c No.856856
>>856843
I won't give a location, but it's called St. Mary's. I realize this doesn't narrow it down at all, but that's all I'm willing to say.
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a5a60b No.857008
Hello my fellow cathobros, I have a question regarding the dogma on the Immaculate Conception.
My understanding is that the Virgin Mary gave birth without suffering because she was not affected by the original sin. Yet, I read the Revelation the other day and read this: "She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth." This is the chapter "The woman and the dragon", and I've always been told that the woman was an allegory for the VM.
Isn't there a contradiction here?
Btw I'm not a larping protsh*t, I'm genuinely asking.
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bf6054 No.857019
Legit question I have for eucharist miracles that Catholics like to point out when I'm talking to them. Doesn't this prove that 99.999% of the time Catholics believe that the eucharist is just normal bread and wine and not literal flesh and blood? If it always was literal flesh and blood (like catholics would claim, transubstantiation) then it shouldn't be a special type of miracle if it ACTUALLY does happen. Trying to say there's something special in pic related (or other eucharist miracles) proves that 99.999% of the time you're saying it doesn't literally turn into flesh and blood.
I tried making a sperate thread on this, but it seems to have been deleted for no reason, even though it's relevant to the board.
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6f8635 No.857021
>>857008
Because that scene has more symbolical layers than just Mary. Normally its also associated with the new Israel, that is, the Church.
Example "With child, to signify that the Church, even in the time of persecutions, brought forth children to Christ. (Witham) It likewise signifies the difficulties which obstructed the first propagation of Christianity. (Pastorini)"
>>857008
It always happens, its literally the flesh and blood of Jesus hidden under the appearances of bread and wine.
The added ocasional visual miracle is simply showing what it really is to doubtful minds.
For example, that case in Argentina where after mass someone noticed a host that had been left there unconsumed. So the priest took it and put it in water for it to dissolve and be properly disposed.
But rather than dissolve it became bloody. The current Pope was the bishop there and had it analysed. It was shown to be heart muscle tissue, of someone who underwent a lot of stress, with cells still alive.
So everyone in that mass ate the same batch of consecrated hosts meaning they all ate the flesh of Christ, just under a different appearance.
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6f8635 No.857022
>>857019
It always happens, its literally the flesh and blood of Jesus hidden under the appearances of bread and wine.
The added ocasional visual miracle is simply showing what it really is to doubtful minds.
For example, that case in Argentina where after mass someone noticed a host that had been left there unconsumed. So the priest took it and put it in water for it to dissolve and be properly disposed.
But rather than dissolve it became bloody. The current Pope was the bishop there and had it analysed. It was shown to be heart muscle tissue, of someone who underwent a lot of stress, with cells still alive.
So everyone in that mass ate the same batch of consecrated hosts meaning they all ate the flesh of Christ, just under a different appearance.
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6c61dc No.857028
Gosh darn, what's the bible passage about "being a bug living in a kings castle?"
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dbd738 No.857042
… to someone we shouldn't.
Got my latest "Northwest Catholic" in the mail yesterday. I did a quick flip through to see what heresies and abominations were going on in the diocese.
Yeah, there's the Archbishop saying the Novus Ordo Supper Service, handing out the holy Eucharist into people's hands.
Oh look, it's Bergoglio washing the feet of criminals, making a mockery of the Christ washing the feet of the Apostles. Again.
Then I saw an article that was 100% real Catholic, and a problem I seen both before Vatican II and after, in the Roman Catholic Church and the Novus Ordo Church…
People who pray for something they shouldn't… wealth, women, or to give up their cross in life.
People who pray to the wrong person for the wrong thing. Catholics pray to the Church Triumphant for them to pray for them. Those who pray e.g. the Blessed Virgin for this that or the other thing have forgotten she can give you nothing, all things come from God, and she is not God.
Besides being blasphemy, it alienates the protestants who know that's wrong. How often do you hear protestants use the excuse that Catholics worship Mary? Real Catholics who know their faith don't. We ask Mary to pray for us.
It's Straight out of The Book of Job. Job can give you nothing, but he will clean up your request and ask the master for you.
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965c18 No.857052
>>857022
>hidden under the appearances of bread and wine
lol, now that's just some cope. It's still literally bread and wine when you examine it
>they all ate the flesh of Christ, just under a different appearance.
Maybe you could say it became flesh later, but when the laymen ate it, it was still bread and wine
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6698bb No.857055
I'm reading the bible a second time. I'm going to have to read it several times to remember and understand it's contents.
One of the problems I had the first time I read the bible was that it was difficult to keep track of the towns and of the various persons and how one was related to another. Especially in the old testament.
Are there notes of the various towns and persons that you can use as you read along each book and chapter?
I could use wikipedia; is there something better
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327701 No.857059
>>857008
Personally, I see another element to your problem.
>The BVM never suffered whilst giving birth because she was born spared from Original Sin
That's theology. It's exactly what it appears to be.
>Revelations
That's not straightforward at all. There's so many layers to things. You've got to recognise poetry when you see it and then avoid treating it like a literal fact.
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ffeae6 No.857062
I suffer from scrupulousity and social anxiety which prevents me from laying bare my inner most neuroses to a priest outside the formalities of mass or confession. One of my main stumbling blocks is specificity in regards to the enumeration of sins, having to be exact and recall your sins, their circumstances and quantity as best as you can. I understand that for your absolution to be efficacious on your part, one of the requirements is to confess your sins in 'kind and number', but would simply saying 'I confess any mortal sins (kind?) I have commit since birth (number?). To be anymore specific would cause me to be increasingly more overwhelmed.
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dbd738 No.857075
>>857062
1) You only have to confess mortal sins. Venial ones are absolved during mass.
2) The priest isn't allowed to require you to identify yourself. Many violate the sacrament and require that you identify yourself. e.g. Bishop Sanborn tells his priest not to forgive someone who keeps confessing the same sin over and over. How can they do that unless they identified you?!
3) Padre Pio did not and cannot create Catholic Dogma. Catholic dogma only comes from the Holy Ghost, sent by Jesus Christ, to the true Vicars of Christ and is given to us by public revelations. Private revelations have been used by the wicked to corrupt and defile the Church. The Mother of God is horrified at the blasphamy done in her name. Fatima is false! No way would the Blessed Virgin, the meek and mild Mother of the Lord Jesus, ever try and stay his hand! It is a false personal revelation. Again, God promised to work through the Chair of Saint Peter and to send the Holy Ghost. Any other source is false!
4) You need to confess only Mortal sins. Mortal sins are grave, and named by the Lord Jesus Christ our Judge himself in Matt 19:16 (oddly, Protestants don't believe Christ, but quickly say they do and call Acts. They don't believe in Jesus if they deny his words!) There is another Gospel created by Saint Aquinas that makes every little thing a mortal sin. They do this out of love of money! The Summa is not from the Holy Ghost, not infallible, can be challenged on premise and logic, and not part of the Catholic faith. As the catechisms of Pope Saint Pius X and Saint Bellaremine say, a grave sin is harms someone else, be it man or God.
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d5f8ab No.857111
>>851501
It's been a while, but amateurtip:
You have 10 fingers.
Say the rosary on one hand, counting your fingers twice each. Keep the numbered mysteries on the other hand, in case you get distracted and forget.
I do it like this on long bike tours, in bed, at work, and anywhere else it would be dangerous or inappropriate to pull out my actual rosary.
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2dd8ab No.857112
>>857062
It may be in your interest to seek make an appointment with a priest. To confront your sins, by discerning their causes, and build comfortable environment so you can confess freely. Even at length.
Take courage, man. Scruples and anxiety suggest a healthy conscience, and you may just need help examining it.
(Before forcing yourself, spend some time in prayer. Ask God for the graces to discern some of this on your own, then the meeting can be that much more fruitful.)
>>857042
This is actually a great point, but it seems to be missing the underlying issue. One of the passions, to borrow from our Orthodox kin.
If you're in a tight spot, of course your going to pray for relief. Material, mental, or otherwise. I think the best approach for faith in such situations is to remember the real objective. "Thy will be done."
I'm trying, in my own worldly petitions, to simply ask that God see to the ultimate good for each situation. To exercise and develop trust in Wisdom, instead of dictating solutions of my own flawed design.
2¢ is all I got, if anyone knows more about building faith and humility.
>>857052
It doesn't prove anything about our belief. Only that God is merciful enough to confirm these for the unbeliever.
The Eucharist is Christ's body. Because He said so.
Simple as.
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fef6bd No.857185
If Mary was preemptively saved and therefore excluded from original sin, wouldn't she be freed from all bodily defects ? She was spared labor pains according to the church fathers.
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b10594 No.857249
>>857185
And taken into heaven body and soul. Alive, not suffering death.
This is different than the beliefs of the Orthodox.
But that's since Pope Pius XII, and I'm not sure he was a true Pope since he changed the Tridentine Mass, thus undergoing the curse of Pope Leo XIII and he surrounded himself with Freemasons like Cardinal Bugnini instead of excommunicating them.
The college of cardinals was so corrupt that Roncalli had no problem being elected Pope after Pius XII.
What went wrong with the Catholic Church started long before Pope Pius XII, as even Pope Pius X knew about the wickedness. As Pope Pius XII he did nothing to stop it, even tolerating and not naming freemasons exposed by the Italian government.
The Catholic faith is not "Marion apparitions" and this effort to elevate the Mother of God to some standard of goddess is not just heresy, but outright blasphemy. This blasphemy has turned many a protestant away from the One True Church of Christ and to the wickedness of protestant-ism, which are all man made religions.
Christ the Lord said that he would send his Paraclete to the the Apostles, not his mother; and gave the keys to heaven to Saint Peter, not his mother.
Saint Paul, in the infallible and indefectible Bible says never put a woman in charge of teaching or in a position of authority; yet all that goes out the window when we hear of Marion apparitions and how Mary grants promises of heaven and even stayed the hand of God Almighty himself! Mary was an obedient servant of God's intent, not some "strong woman" who thwarts the will of God!
Fatima is false, as are the magic talisman that makes it so you don't need the sacrament of penance. The Rosary is for counting prayers, not a magic talisman.
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b10594 No.857260
The Catholic faith is found ONLY in the Bible and the infallible pronouncement of the true Popes. (Those who are an Anathema you are required by the faith to shun, so they cannot be a true Pope!)
All Marion Apparitions are not of the Catholic faith. You know this because the LORD GOD said he would send the Holy Ghost to the Apostles, not his mother to the laity. You also know this because Saint Paul, IN THE BIBLE, said that it is wrong to put a woman in charge of teaching. This is the Catholic faith!
Many Marion apparitions are Freemason lies. For example, Fatima got you to ignore the Catholic faith and do NOTHING while the Freemasons infiltrated the Church. They told you to expect it and you did nothing. They told you to expect the Jews to murder the Orthodox in Russia and you did nothing.
Pope Pius XII was probably a false Pope. Why do I say this? Because he had to know that "Cardinal" Bugnini was a Freemason - the Italian government made the names of all Freemasons public. You cannot be a Catholic and be a freemason - it is automatic ex-communication. yet, he not only didn't excommunicate Bugnini, he allowed Bugnini to change the Holy Mass, undergoing the Curse of Pope Leo.
The FSSP, having said that the laity can take the Holy Eucharist in the hand and that the Novus Ordo mass of Bugnini is legit are an anathema. You must shun them. You must shun the Novus Ordo.
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9b9be0 No.857275
>>857260
Sedes slowly morph into quasi-prots.
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03a896 No.857437
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662d77 No.857439
>>857260
Shut up. Just shut up.
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662d77 No.857440
>>857260
You're whining and typing so much it makes me want to run you over with my car.
I'm serious. The less you say, the more in favor you come into God. I could say more, but I won't because it annoys me and causes my left hand to rest on my chin.
The more you bulls— and type the more I hate you. Stop it.
11 Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse! The one sitting on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes war. 12 His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems, and he has a name written that no one knows but himself. 13 He is clothed in a robe dipped in[a] blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God. 14 And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, were following him on white horses. 15 From his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and he will rule[b] them with a rod of iron. He will tread the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. 16 On his robe and on his thigh he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords.
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662d77 No.857441
>>857249
Mary went to Hell like every woman does because every woman is born with sin. You are a joke to the true religion of Christ and if you don't repent I will kill you Catholics. I will see you dead. I will abandon my religion, and instead kill you through the true religion I had made. You will die because you corrupted it. You accepted false teachings and failed for it. You thought it wasn't that important because Paul told you to sit the winnie the pooh down. Well, in some ways it's true, but it's not looking too good now is it? Catholics killed everybody in earlier centuries. Now they're like a wet blanket. winnie the pooh Catholic scumwinnie the poohs.
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662d77 No.857442
I want Catholics beheaded
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662d77 No.857443
I think I want to become a mechanic. It seems like fun. I could do computer programming for video games, but I HATE how the industry is going and I hate modern video games. They all suck and the people who play games like s-ty games. Even David Brevik, who made Diablo 2 is reduced to making Minecraft clones that are s-.
I kind of want to become a mechanic. Piousness and faith through a kind of work process like church does nothing for me. I don't want to become a priest. They do it so can rape little boys.
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662d77 No.857444
I hate these kinds of good looking faggots who somehow get everyone planted in their lap.
I hate white faggot muscle-brained winnie the poohs—s. I want to kill them
https://youtu.be/fGki2oBFlKc?t=95
It's not about pushing the BBC. It's about making you dead
You're so happy. What the winnie the pooh are you happy for?
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662d77 No.857445
If I could kill every frat boy through a computer process I would
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662d77 No.857446
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0Elb6OlvIU&ab_channel=ScottyKilmer
We know who's who. The low IQ white people expose themselves by being "too sexy" or they make their whole lives revolving around their sexiness. That's where they're dead. And Thank God for that. Get rid of them.
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662d77 No.857447
If that's the kind of love you want to wait for
It's not ready yet
https://youtu.be/pXyUUUFtNJc?t=39
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662d77 No.857448
>>857447
If you want a cowboy on a white horse
Riding off into the sunset
If that's the kind of love you wanna wait for
Hold on tight, girl, I ain't there yet
No, I ain't there yet
No, I ain't there yet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXyUUUFtNJc&ab_channel=ChrisStapletonVEVO
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662d77 No.857449
>>857448
Someday, maybe you could have your way
Right now's just not the time
Some things a man just got to do
I wish you could change my mind
Oh-oh-oh-oh
If you want a cowboy on a white horse
Riding off into the sunset
If that's kind of love you wanna wait for
Hold on tight, girl, I ain't there yet
No, I ain't there yet
No, I ain't there yet
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662d77 No.857450
>>857448
This love, is getting kind of dangerous
Feels like it's a loaded gun
My-my, it's turning like a cloud of dust
My heart always wants to run
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662d77 No.857451
Someday, maybe you could have your way
Right now's just not the time
Some things a man just got to do
I wish you could change my mind
Oh-oh-oh-oh
If you want a cowboy on a white horse
Riding off into the sunset
If that's kind of love you wanna wait for
Hold on tight, girl, I ain't there yet
No, I ain't there yet
No, I ain't there yet
https://youtu.be/pXyUUUFtNJc?t=34
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662d77 No.857452
Hold on tight girl, I aint there yet.
I cry now every time. I heard this song when I went into my mom's car when I didn't want to go into TJ Maxx. I cried listening to it. The song name is, "White Horse".
If you want a cowboy on a white horse, then wait. I'm the best man.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXyUUUFtNJc&ab_channel=ChrisStapletonVEVO
11 Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse! The one sitting on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes war. 12 His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems, and he has a name written that no one knows but himself. 13 He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God. 14 And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, were following him on white horses. 15 From his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron. He will tread the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. 16 On his robe and on his thigh he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords.
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662d77 No.857453
Everything should be done to reduce sadness for the Messiah. It should be done to make him stop crying. Every action anyone does or any thought anyone has should be had not in order that the Messiah does not suffer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXyUUUFtNJc&ab_channel=ChrisStapletonVEVO
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662d77 No.857454
STOP winnie the pooh CHILDREN
YOU STUPID winnie the pooh CATHOLIC
BE MORE DISCERNING
I WANT TO KILL YOU
Kill them. Behead them
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662d77 No.857455
https://youtu.be/pXyUUUFtNJc?t=183'
I want to be the hero
I want some small selection of women
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662d77 No.857456
I want Cassie Goodman
>far left
If not, then I'll have to look for nothing again
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662d77 No.857457
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662d77 No.857458
I just want love from one woman, a singular woman, and I can't get it. So I hate myself. I just want the one.
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662d77 No.857459
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072ec3 No.857493
>>857457
empty? so fill yourself with writings by apostle paul. fill life with obeying that guidance.
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072ec3 No.857495
>>857458
that is not reason to hate yourself. just keep searching praying and hoping.
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072ec3 No.857498
>>857454
promoted violence violated #laws of u.s.
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662d77 No.857554
>>857498
Shut the winnie the pooh up you stupid worthless faggot
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662d77 No.857555
>>857498
You get to say, "kill all Jews" or whatever you want to say. "Gas the Jews" But if I say kill all Catholics, you get all bent out of shape.
Kill yourself you worthless winnie the pooh Catholic
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662d77 No.857556
>>857498
Repent therefore! Otherwise, I will soon come to you and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth. - Revelation 2:16
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662d77 No.857557
Hail Mary
Hail Mary
Hail Mary
Stupid asshole. You stupid winnie the pooh pricks worshiping a goddamned woman
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662d77 No.857558
>>857493
SHUT. THE winnie the pooh UP DUDE
UNDERSTAND WHO YOU'RE TALKING TO
WORTHLESS winnie the pooh IDIOT
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662d77 No.857559
If a man lies with an animal, he shall surely be put to death, and you shall kill the animal.
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662d77 No.857560
I'm hyperventilating and shaking. I am the Messiah Son of David. If you keep mistreating me or oppressing me or keep on doing evil, I will kill you.
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