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bad57c No.12614
>>12591
You’re right of course. I’m sorry about the torpedo it looks like he followed me here. My opsec was good thoughbeit but it’s obvious I’m being watched kek oh well
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69a23c No.12615
>>12586
Timing obviously is hard, but I see two major things at play. Firstly the fundamentals, industrial, geopolitical and the definancialisation of the global economy. Secondly is COMEX and LBMA trying to save their sorry asses from being made irrelevant, which is where traders, scalpers and speculators are nibbling away like piranhas.
While the fundamentals are intact, all the technical analysis should be biased to the bullish case. This price smackdown therefore is very bullish because it shows the beast is thrashing and resisting.
No rush but if you can find a convenient way to convert from a paper counterparty to something more real, like an actual mine or physical literally in your hand or buried somewhere safe, then do it. Timing is hard again, but on a down trend is cheaper because the price works in your favor as you convert.
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33010e No.12616
>>12586
Yeah the symbolism of the 100x debasement of the US dollar will be powerful, particularly as a suite of ideas regarding the fiat currency disintegrates and people are confronted with the new reality of currency or wealth. People who only ever borrowed the perspectives of others might have to face a period of uncomfortable uncertainty where they would be confronted with new ideas, and the main stream to which they are beholden takes time to manifest… Maybe they are the ones to which the mass propaganda shill posts are directed.
I think that as stackers a part of us becomes collapse accelerationists, and we embrace the chaos to follow, within which we have confidence for having a part to play, for we have prepared ourselves…
>>12590
I’m personally a bit skeptical as to the apparent conflict between US and CH - so far nothing of significant harm has been done to each other, and increasingly the silver transfer seems more and more like a wealth transfer - or a deal. I’m certainly being conspiratorial here, and we can still plan based around the facts of what we see to be occurring in the markets in both US and CH, but as with the Wuhan virus, there are times when both countries are suspiciously coordinated - including this time.
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6fe552 No.12618
>>12615
Tbh yesterday I threw hard, and panic mode set in — was looking for some more bear thesis to see what I could find and what I found was essentially emotional arguments that attacked holders sensibilities and mocked them. Fud posting on 4/biz/ has currently reached a staggering crescendo regarding PMs and even Miners too, moaning about ‘shiny rocks’ betting on silvers downfall, etc. Essentially defending the corrupt baseless system which dominates the financial market. This level of shilling has now reached /pol/ levels board wide and will likely continue over time and HEAVILY spike during downturns and dumps, especially that large dump yesterday, of which there has been healthy speculation that the preceding pump was partly manufactured in order to create fatigue, and so as to dump afterwards and destroy the top buyers. So they’re not opposed to the idea of manufacturing a pump from which to dump akin to the old Shitcoin scammers of olde (it’s no wonder they enjoy crypto so much given its incredible volatility). In fact, yesterday silver spot price behaved very much like a Shitcoin in price performance, albeit on a much smaller scale — that said this may prove that their powers are mainly focused on creating dissent, fear, confusion and mania from which to thwart and deceive.
Another tactic has to been to use spamming/flooding to great effect. Threads are rapidly swapped in/out depending upon sentiment and spot price, when it’s up, there are questions regarding the use case of precious metals and its validity as a form of currency. When it’s down, hysteria and panic farming — speculating about inane crashes the likes of which you would more likely see in crypto. That said, high volatility does imply greater downsides and upsides, therefore I think best case is to simply act with caution and care around cases where the price seems artificially floated in order to manufacture these pump and dumps quickly followed by price shortage.
If silver can have price movements resembling shitcoins in the space of a few hours then this is going to need some consideration about proper approaches. This isn’t just a flippant ‘hold until COMEX’ deal anymore, this is ‘The entire state hates silver rigorously and wants to see it destroyed.’ This extends to gold only somewhat because the two are associated, but silvers meteoric rise is at this point a better ROI in the short term, potentially.
As we move forward, I expect more chicanery and difficulties to emerge in time, and new strategies to combat that. Vigilance against the threat and the encroachment of them on the price will be most vital, as is the need to ensure and protect the cost basis without being destroyed by fees — keeping a level head amidst all trades and observing the markets and Cooly regarding the fud which relies on appeals to emotion, hysteria, a modern traditions of disregarding precious metals as any form of currency.
>>12616
Honestly, yes sometimes they work in tandem, but normally their own interests are not often inclined towards eachother, their goals are not the same. They cooperate as and when they see it necessary but make no mistake, China is not trying to destroy US with missiles but information warfare, It’s about escalation through the very same hysteria found on 4/biz/ and other boards, except these same individuals know that most of these individuals are enemies of the system and useful as proxies so the majority of the time it seems they’re disinclined to intervene or even stoke the flames.
> People who only ever borrowed the perspectives of others might have to face a period of uncomfortable uncertainty where they would be confronted with new ideas, and the main stream to which they are beholden takes time to manifest… Maybe they are the ones to which the mass propaganda shill posts are directed.
You’re seeing this occur in real time. The posting has reached a generous crescendo and no doubt the moments of silence are moments when they return to their offices and sanctums in order to formulate new plans. Current plan seems to be to muddy fundamentals and create exhaustion surrounding periods of growth, and to compound hysteria, uncertainty chaos and fear during downturns. That is most certainly why you can expect more of these manufactured pump and dump scenarios and why proceeding should be made with caution and care, and not carry the words of these invalids too close to heart — follow your logic and your own interpretations of the graph and the situation closely and objectively and you can come out on top. They’re relying too hard on pure panic within that volatility which breeds uncertainty, and then to compound upon it creating another new paradigm of fear and doubt from which to funnel money back into crypto and other markets from which they have total dominance and control.
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c0459e No.12619
>>12616
If you want to sleep better at night and stress less during the day, just keep an eye on the Shanghai exchange, on backwardation. The whipsaw we saw was apparently due to options expiries and probably bullion banks interfering to increase the volatility. After all, they are recommending an exit from Silver and into Gold. Well ((who)) has all the liquidity on Gold?
The arbitrage between paper western exchanges and the physical prices is just huge. While all these fundamentals remain in place, the bullish case for silver is as good as it gets.
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1630c2 No.12620
Alright guys, I’m here theory crafting again.. I predict that if COMEX/paper crashes it’ll start a fomo into physical, off ramping from miner stocks en masse.. it could be the beginning of a black swan event. Tbh before I was anxious about COMEX FTD but now I see it as the double edged sword it is. If COMEX does a FTD and prices fully seperate, depending on sentiment you either get a depression or a hysteria but I’m leaning towards the former honestly since normoids seem content to get the whip cracked at them for the simple pleasures. Still, this is an apex moment and I wasn’t expecting it so early.. Apparently physical dealers are already reporting that they’re unwilling to deal at current spot because ‘it’s too volatile’ but as we know it’s only volatile because of chicanery. The physical dealers won’t want to deal at these rigged prices and the price of paper and physical could further detach as dealers and traders set their own limits and prices. Shanghai price is already $20 ahead of west earn spot price and there is nearly ZERO arbitrage. Shlomo is shorting HARD and it’s going to kick him in the teeth with a silver plated boot as physical price detaches and he’s left scrambling holding onto the reigns of a runaway horse carriage. It’s not a concrete prediction but I’d say based on the available data seems apparent that they could feed themselves their own earth and shovel for a deeper, bigger grave lol still be interesting to see how they worm their way out. Could be interesting.
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7fd79c No.12622
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7fd79c No.12623
Somebody better tell him his numbers are wrong. I didn't check everything but these 3 lines I highlighted have wrong purity. They should be 0.835 instead of 1.00
Also in the same thread the other guy posted "Junk guide_complete.jpg" that does have correct data.
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49c6cd No.12624
>>12620
In the US, markets broke. The enabler was the new margin requirements which get amplified with price swings, allowing triggered margin calls all over the paper landscape. This has flushed out the speculators to some extent but the house won (bullion banks). However along with this, miners and refiners who also play the market for hedging and side hustles got ass whipped.
China is possibly more leveraged than US on PMs so a bloodbath there may be larger. The proportional margin rate rule increased the volatility of this drop. But this is assuming the bulk of price discovery is not suppliers and consumers of physical metal. It might not be.
Long term fundamentals are unchanged.
The short term this might cause a GFC type event if Asia doesn't puke and COMEX futures bounce to new ATH, ripping the face off any short positions not yet closed.
This will definitely be interesting. I am just annoyed that this is spilling over to the boring industrial metals too.
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273496 No.12627
I'm a little slow and just realized this juicy dump happened right before the monthly close and with enough time for prices to recover before tax return season (and my bonus). I won't say that means we're in the end game yet, but I'm checking my harness to make sure I'm strapped in.
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22d4c4 No.12628
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9b31fb No.12629
>>12627
Top callers have been right. Is this Hunt Brothers 2.0? Han Brothers? Fundamentals haven't shifted, at least not yet, but I am stopping DCA until I see the ass end of this bear.
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7fd79c No.12630
>>12629
Good luck finding silver in stock…
> this is major dealer in France
> average shipping delays of 1 month
> almost nothing in stock
> pic is the most common coin, 5 Francs semeuse, 12g .835 silver
> they only have 5x product (100 coins each, roughly 1 kg of silver total)
> price isn't great, 21 EUR above spot for .835 junk
And by next month, if SHTF they might just cancel the order and refund fiat.
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f635dd No.12632
>>12630
Maneco64 on his livestream with Clive Thomson today talked about gold floor price being set at $5k or as high as $15k per ounce USD at some point, being a basically inevitable outcome. And Silver at $120. Reasoning being a way fixing the balance sheet. But if Fort Knox is empty….
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941714 No.12633
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941714 No.12634
>>12633
>>12628
Looks like it's fixed now.
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941714 No.12635
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941714 No.12636
>>12630
Are you able to post here using Lynx? I get a 500 internal server error when I try and post with an image, and a 404 error when trying to post without an image.
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7fd79c No.12637
>>12636
8kun doesn't work with those browsers. I can only post on 8ch.net (which had a broken DNS for a long time, but is working now).
And in other news, they're reduced to pimping S&P to distract from epstein files. Nobody better tell iqdelet that I cashed out my 401k in 2022 to buy gold and silver, or he'll have a conniption fit. xD
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/watch-bondi-explodes-over-epstein-during-shouting-match-massie-and-top-dems
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29205e No.12638
>>12630
Right on.
Physical silver has become unobtanium in my neck of the woods. All the online dealers have been out since late December. The only way to buy more silver is to buy from private sellers at an insane premium. Gold is still available, but is getting more scarce as well. My favorite coins like roosters, vrenelis and sovereigns are impossible to locate now. Boring 1oz bullion coins is the only option if you want gold. Weird times.
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941714 No.12639
>>12637
>they're reduced to pimping S&P to distract from epstein files.
That was the funniest thing I saw yesterday. That was a peek inside DJT's mind. When he's not fluffing Israeli cock, he's fingering himself over how good those market numbers are doing.
Pam Blondi had a terrible, no-good, really bad, awful day, and she fucking deserved every bit of it, and more. Much, much more.
I can't wait for them to get Kash Patel back and explain to him that he will face lying to Congress charges. A self serving political hack and a corrupt jeet? Who could have guessed. Bongino has his own narcissistic, self felating issues.
I'm the biggest fool for hoping that Trump would have been better/smarter than his first time at bat. He seems to have learned nothing, and he and his sons had better seek asylum in Russia because that's the only place they might have a chance at safety from the long arm of corrupt American justice. Unless Trump really did convert to judaism, and hides out in Israel next door to Epstein.
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a5a6ca No.12640
>>12637
Thanks for the update on 8ch.net. I get a flag icon bug on 8kun.
Are you vi or emacs, or neither?
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a5a6ca No.12641
Thank you Jim for fixing the images and DNS. Some of us are grateful for the efforts you are putting in here.
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a5a6ca No.12642
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dbe063 No.12643
Are we all agreeing that the spot price reversion does not reflect a reversal to pre-high status? To the extent that the spot price in some ways has decoupled from the real costs, especially with regard to the actual cost to obtain the metal (silver)?
What do you guys think, and am I just stating the obvious here?
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a5a6ca No.12644
>>12643
>What do you guys think, and am I just stating the obvious here?
You are correct. Many places either have no stock (unobtainium) or very high premiums that offset the drop in the spot price. Unfortunately, I don't think the price will ever go back down, and will soon go up to levels where low income stackers really can't afford to stack very much weight.
At $300/oz the average young guy in Canada/USA/UK would be well off to even be able to stack one ounce per month. Stacking is one of those things where it's better to be years too early, than hours too late.
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7fd79c No.12645
>>12640
Both. vi for text/code files, emacs mode on the command line. BTW you can use an external editor in Lynx HTML forms (^Xe) instead of typing in a tiny textbox. But some packages (notably OpenBSD) disabled that option, so you have to compile it yourself in that case.
>>12643
I used to spend a lot of time searching for spot (or below) deals, but those days are over. The only thing to do at this point is compare the in-store prices + shipping costs. It's better also if the items are actually in stock, rather than backorder that may never arrive.
And now the dealer >>12630 has removed smaller silver categories like Somalia, Niue, Tuvalu… and even Mexico is gone!
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a5a6ca No.12646
>>12645
>Both. vi for text/code files
You're a cut above. What's your favorite distro?
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7fd79c No.12649
>>12646
At this point, none of them. I just reluctantly use whatever supports my hardware and has the least bloatage (no systemd, rust, freedesktop.org, etc.)
I felt differently in the 90's, when Linux ran ok on a 386 with 4 MB RAM, like in this video (if it's still around):
Slackware linux 2.0 on 386DX-40 4Mb RAM-C-VlIZaLxVE.webm
Obviously running X sends it into swap, but otherwise it's fine and that was also my experience back then. But since then they tried to compete with Windows and it has become an entirely different animal.
I'll try to buy some old 8-bit computer like I had in the 80's, once I'm no longer dumping all my spare cash into silver. Only then I can start to have fun again. The modern computer scene a shit!
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a5a6ca No.12650
>>12649
>no systemd
I like you even more. I'm running a non-systemd distro on an 10+ year old laptop. Linux really did go downhill lately, but at least we still have some versions where we can have a reasonable amount of control.
We haven't bought any silver since last summer. We tried a few weeks ago and the LCS was sold out of nearly everything smaller than 100oz bars.
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22d4c4 No.12653
did a lot of people sell during the run up and stop posting?
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273496 No.12654
>>12653
I don't plan to touch my physical until we hit higher numbers and right now there's no pumping, no dumping, just consolidation. I'm still up bigly and comfy, but I don't have much to say because I'm kinda bored again. I just want the next leg up to happen so I can get out of these stonks,at least.
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a5a6ca No.12655
>>12653
>did a lot of people sell during the run up and stop posting?
No, I stopped posting because 8kun was broken. We couldn't post hi rez images or videos. We've never sold even one ounce of silver and we've been stacking for years.
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a5a6ca No.12656
>>12649
Listening to a german cryptographer talk to Tucker Carlson and he says that in Europe, when you take money from the ATM, the machine can record the serial numbers as it dispenses the cash, and if you spend the cash at larger corporations, it gets scanned again when processed. timestamp 1:14:50
https://xcancel.com/TuckerCarlson/status/2022370191108125080
https://x.com/TuckerCarlson/status/2022370191108125080
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7fd79c No.12657
>>12656
I already assumed they're doing this at every ATM withdrawal and deposit, but I didn't notice them scanning bills at Lidl or whatever. I think it might slow down the line, where everyone is already rushed through at mach 3. I'll pay more attention to the cashier next time.
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a5a6ca No.12658
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>12657
>I didn't notice them scanning bills at Lidl or whatever.
It would be scanned by the money counting machines in the counting room at the end of the day.
Obviously smaller shops won't have the hardware to do this.
As an aside, the first time I visited eastern Europe back in 2007, I commented to my friend that it was shocking to see how little obesity there was. All the younger people were fairly slim and appeared healthy. By 2021, visiting the same country, I noted there appeared to be a growing obesity problem. I thought they might be American tourists, but they were native language speakers.
It really opened my eyes that there is likely a genetic component to obesity that gets triggered by certain types of food ingredients. Lidl, Aldi and Kaufland are all full of highly processed, but extremely tasty goyslop that is incredibly addicting. Now they've started adding bugs to it.
I loved their baked goods, but we are switching to a more ketogenic diet in any event.
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e549da No.12659
>>12655
So to kick things along a bit I wonder how the silver market will go with the Chinese new year kicking off. Commentators on jootube say the paper will tank but I am not so sure. The India market remains open and indirect longs from the far East might still have sway. It doesn't matter for stacking but it does a bit for miners.
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a5a6ca No.12660
>>12657
>but I didn't notice them scanning bills at Lidl or whatever
Mixed denomination cash counter with serial number recognition printing.
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Mixed-Denomination-Bill-Money-Value-Counter_1600245472391.html
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a5a6ca No.12661
>>12659
>So to kick things along a bit I wonder how the silver market will go with the Chinese new year kicking off.
The bullion banks want two things:
1. Lowest possible silver price so they can clear all their shorts.
2. Not have everyone else slurp up all the remaining COMEX physical.
Silver is going to between $500-$1000 simply because gold will eventually go to $20k. The guys who shorted millions of ounces at $45 CANNOT affort to have to close out those shorts at $500/oz.
I think $75 is close to the sweet spot for them right now. They are doing a lot of off market OTC trades, which creates gaps in the tape where there are price movements on zero volume.
The data gets backfilled later after a 15 minute delay.
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a45750 No.12662
>>12661
The technicals are bullish, the fundamentals are bullish, the volumes are dropping so the selling momentum is fading. I think the banks/funds/whales are going to have to wear some collateral damage this time around.
$75 is probably where valuation of miners currently sits too because they are not losing much ground at this level. But I think they are all wrong, miners are going to make bank big time because of other things which are about to happen but which just aren't said out loud yet. Well obviously silver bugs are screaming bullish but hardly anyone I talk to knows just how close we are to Iran conflagration, Taiwan conflagration, etc. So whether we get tech/renewables/battery industrial boom continuing or WW3 on steroids, or why-not-both(TM) it's going up.
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a5a6ca No.12663
>>12662
> But I think they are all wrong, miners are going to make bank big time because of other things which are about to happen but which just aren't said out loud yet.
Agree. We intend to recycle the miner profits back into physical gold and silver.
I also agree that the average person doesn't know, and that is almost an additional confirmation that we're on the right track. WHEN the normies wake up to silver en mass, we'll know the bull run in miners is at it's peak. That's one of my big exit points. Like Rick Rule says, he loves commodity stocks that are hated, and sells the ones that are loved.
If shit blows up as bad as it might, many (formerly well to do) people will wake up and realize they are extremely money poor, but they still have lots of stuff, including land, vehicles, motorhomes, etc.
It will be a feeding frenzy for stackers or anyone with real liquidity.
BTW, I didn't save it, but a 3 million+ dollar custom motorhome with granite counters, cedar closet, etc, just sold for $280k, or a 92% discount. The "RV Index" is another indicator of recession.
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a5a6ca No.12664
>>12662
I forgot to mention, 80k+ Harley's are piling on dealer inventory, because the boomers are transitioning from "bad to the bone" to mobility scooters, and younger generations don't want an overpriced, high maintenance hog that is basicly a vanity piece unless one is a serious hardcore biker.
I think it's partly demographics, partly the fact we've been in a recession for the last couple of years.
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16d125 No.12665
>>12653
No, I have been checking other stuff for the time being. Silver paper price being 100% manipulated has made me feel incredibly bearish. Tbh I’m waiting for them to crash it for March, then again if everyone knows this is the play then they’ll obviously throw a different spanner into the works like how they did end of January — A historic silver crash which is a feasible mathematical impossibility without artificial means.
My miner prices and the paper spot price have now more or less decoupled. This still makes any price movements potentially irksome, but I’m not going to slowly bleed out if the slam it down like I fully expect them to.
>>12643
Price decoupling already happened to some extent during the crash. It wouldn’t be infeasible for it to happen again.
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7fd79c No.12668
> go on 4chan
> anon posts image of 12.5 tubes of weiners he just received in the mail
> they complain that his counter tops are ugly
> they complain that SD Bullion put their own seals over top of the austrian mint ones
These are not real stackers. Otherwise they would know those tubes end up popping open in the mail, unless the dealer applies another kind of seal or tape over the top. The austrian mint didn't make theirs strong enough to withstand rough handling by mail carriers. Even my first monster box arrived with 1/3 to 1/2 of the tube seals broken. The only reason there weren't coins bouncing around getting scratched up is because the monster box itself was still sealed, so its lid kept the tubes from opening enough to spill their contents. But there's still enough room in the box for the lids to pop open a bit. Yeah the design of the box isn't good enough to prevent that, the box lid should have been completely flush with the top of the tubes.
My phone pix is crap, but you can still see the top-left tube seal is broken, as well as the tube immediately below the empty spot.
Anyway the coins arrived in mint condition. That's all that matters.
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a5a6ca No.12669
>>12668
>you can still see the top-left tube seal is broken
Wow. The the caps for the tubes that silver Maples come in, go in the tube about a centimeter and have some good friction. It takes a little work to get the caps off, but we've never opened a sealed monster box, so they might also pop off from vibration in shipping.
I'm jelly that you could pop open a virgin monster box. I would be inclined to keep it sealed. We've got boxes (not monsters) of silver bars from the orignal mint that we've never opened.
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22d4c4 No.12672
>>12669
They really need to either sell or include the little foam pad that sits on top of the stack.
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7fd79c No.12673
>>12669
The only ones I wanted to keep sealed are my 5 kilo arks, because those have just one big coin inside, so it's always going to be a single unit (short of cutting it up like a pizza!) And sometimes I wonder if it was a good idea to buy those. Maybe just a bunch of 1 kilo bars would have made more sense. I bought those early on and didn't really know what I was doing. At least the price was good (lowest premium coins at the time). And actually I do remember thinking about buying kilo bars because europabullion.com was selling them out of Estonia (which at the time was the very last EU country without any VAT on silver). But the catch was they didn't ship, so you had to go there and pick up your bars, or hire a private courrier. Well since I was new and uncertain, I felt better about buying from a local shop instead.
Pic is someone else's screenshot, but I think it's the Europa Bullion site, from fall 2022 (when the spot price dropped a lot).
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a5a6ca No.12674
>>12673
>I wanted to keep sealed are my 5 kilo arks
Those are very nice coins. I would also keep it sealed because I don't have a secure location to put it on display like a hardened basement gun room.
At least you acquired the bulk of your stack while the prices were a fraction of today. Same with us.
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33270c No.12675
>>12665
Miners are now approaching ATH with another $40 to go for paper silver.
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a5a6ca No.12676
>>12675
>Miners are now approaching ATH with another $40 to go for paper silver.
Miners will do a 5x-10x when the dumb money from pension funds start to chase returns. You will know it's time to take profits as soon as the dumb media start shilling the miners. What they are really doing is calling for exit liquidity.
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