No.6726 [View All]
http://norskk.com/talk/2015/7/21/homosexuality-in-asatru
When will this fucking end? I do not even want to begin to address what the fuck is wrong with this "article". Also I am blocked from posting on the page that linked it
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No.6764
>>6763
Because you misunderstand the gays. they do not create, they only defile and destroy. Of course it would be easier for them to just make a new religion where they praise Faghovah or something, but that isn't their objective. Their goal is to defile Western culture and taint it into their own image, doesnt matter if it's Christianity, Paganism, they'll even try and defile atheist with that whole Atheist Plus bullshit.
they write new bibles that justify faggotry not because any of them are actually religious and want a version of christianity that is gay friendly, they just want to rub it in the faces of the big meanie christians.
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No.6769
>>6764
That seems right I guess. Considering I even told many to start their own religion just to have my words fall on deaf ears. So how do we fight against all the shit without bearing the stigma of being Nazis? Are universalists and fags winning the war?
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No.6773
>>6769
We must forge…
The super AIDS
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No.6781
Never in my life have I seen a group so thoroughly defile my beliefs. Neither the wiccatru or larpy-heathens have ever quite got under my skin like taking a look around that fucking website. I could even care less about the edgy, "we accept homosexuality and multiculturalism in spite of history" articles they have.
What really twists the knife in my ribs when I look at that group, is the pure unadulterated commercialism and faddishness of it all. All the "hardcore" imagery of shirtless scrawny men holding axes and talking about "YOU can be a BESERKER™ just send us $200 dollars". Seriously just take a look at the fucking website, it is full of the most cringeworthy retarded larpy commercial bullshit I have ever seen associated with Asatru. This is coming from somebody who likes a degree of the larpy shit as well, but this vile debasement of an entire heritage simply worn as a different trendy new shirt is disgusting.
Norskk© is the Hot Topic of Asatru
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No.6782
>>6781
They have a fucking store. Not like a "here are some books to get you learnt and a Hammer of Thor pendant" store, but one that sells "Official Organic Viking Beard Oil" and "How to be a Viking" courses for $200. This combined with the ignorance of history and faggot worship and the proclamation that their courses will "make you a man" (as if they know anything about manhood and masculinity).
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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No.6783
>proud Asatruar
>listen to Finntroll every morning
>live innawoods with German Shepard named Blitz
>hear about heathen camp online
>sounds ebin
>go to Norskk© site
>noice they have a store
>buy 100% NATURAL VIKING BEARD OIL for $19.95 just like my ancestors used to
>buy HIRÐMAÐR TRAINING COURSE for only $195.95 cuz that's how Egil Skallagrimsson got started
>the day nears so pack up some trailmix and shit
>in the excitement almost leave home without dabbing on muh 100% NATURAL VIKING BEARD OIL
>get to camp and there's a bunch of blonde ripped brahs with their shirts off
>Gunter, the Level 3 Berserker™, tells me to take off my shirt as well
>have a hard time understanding him because of his lisp but comply
>trainer bro begins class
>we're taught how to do the Viking-Roar™ attack
>one bro in pink shorts has a hard time cuz of his high-pitched voice
>after a while of hard training we take a break and hit the food table
>buy 100% PURE ICELANDIC SPRING WATER for only $4.95 just like my ancestors used to drink
>trainer bro explains how training is a mostly spiritual thing
>teaches us some neat stuff Hilmar Hilmarsson says on homosexuality
>wow didn't even know the Bifröst bridge symbolized tolerance
>also says we should tell our African-American friends about Asatru and Norskk© because we need the enrichment
>learn a lot of cool Víkingr stuff like this
>day ends and we kiss farewell just like the vikings did
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No.6784
>>6783
>bifrost bridge of tolerance
kekk'd heartily
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No.6785
>>6782
This is the main problem I see here. This doesn't seem to be some group of like minded völkisch individuals that wanted to help others. It is a group of edgy hipster fools that watched Vikings, decided to cash in on a growing movement and declared they are the Übermensch, worthy of passing down Nordic heritage*
*for a modest fee there goyim hehe
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No.6787
>>6782
>>6781
>>6783
I just had an epiphany fucking Ragnarok is upon us. SJWS, Marxists, Fags, and Christians are all marching upon us. They are the Jotun. Fenris is literally Universalism coming to swallow up the Alfather. And Loki is literally all the fags/sjws coming to destroy our social order which Heimdall represents. I guess that makes Surt and his ilk Christians/Jews/Muslims since they all come from place of heat (desert in the case of Christians/Jews/Muslims) and they are our oldest enemy.
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No.6789
>>6782
>>6781
I've come across these fucks on goybook before and called them degenerates, they tried to cite Loki as example as why fags are acceptable and the fact that raping men happened sometimes, therefore fag relationships are ok. They also claimed that there was a viking era statue of men of equal status fucking and never provided a source. They blocked me for calling out their faggotry and playing the "hurr we're in the military in scandinavia, therefore you shouldn't criticise us". Cunts, the lot of them.
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No.6790
>>6789
Yes, because Loki was respected and loved and venerated by all! Everyone accepts Loki! Never mind the fact that his antics lead to him being tied up with snake venom dripping in his eyes.
All of their practices use the most cherrypicked and twisted "evidence".
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No.6796
>>6789
The thing is lets say Gays were tolerated and homosexual acts were accepted in Scandinavia. That does not mean Gay marriage was condoned or accepted. Because Gay marriage does not make sense. Marriage was about starting families and bringing two houses (clans) together. Gay marriage is only about two men living together and having sex.
The only reason gays are even getting married now is for tax breaks and other shit. Not because they believe in the sanctity or marriage or for any other noble reason. So back then fags would not even think of getting married because there would be no point.
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No.6918
>>6728
>Ignoring the fact that fags were drowned in bogs
Do have some reputable sources to back up that claim?
>>6733
>>6743
Not only was Dr. philos, and professor of Old Norse philology, Ludvig Holm-Olsen of the opinion that Lokasenna is one the youngest Eddic poems and heavily compromised by Christian influences.
(See his translations of the Elder Edda, titled “Eddadikt”, 1975)
But, in “De gamle Eddadigte” translated by Finnur Jónsson, 1932, he notes that the stanza you mention, “De to sidste linjer er utvivlsomt senere tilföjelser” (“The last two lines are without a doubt later additions”).
- http://heimskringla.no/wiki/Lokasenna_%28FJ%29
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No.6919
>>6918
I guess nobody reads the required reading list anymore because we've posted this source a billion fucking times
>Traitors and deserters are hanged on trees; the coward, the unwarlike, the man stained with abominable vices and lust for other men, is plunged into the mire of the bogs with a hurdle put over him. This distinction in punishment means that crime, they think, ought, in being punished, to be exposed, while shame and infamy ought to be buried out of sight.
Source: Germania
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No.6920
>>6919
No, no, no.
I asked for a reputable source that confirms your(?) claim that the two men were homosexuals and killed for being so.
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No.6921
>>6920
The book "Germania" is a reputable source.
It sure is getting troll-y here lately
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No.6924
>>6920
>Germania is not a reputable source
And exactly what is unreputable about it? They used to think Tacitus made up the bog sacrifices, until they started uncovering the famed bog mummies. The only things that are wrong about it were misconceptions on Tacitus part, like him claiming that the Cult of Isis was imported to Germania from Egypt. He was part correct, he was referring to a Vanir Goddess cult that used a ship very similar to an Egyptian one as it's emblem, this can be confirmed by later Nordic connections between Vanir and ships, but Tacitus was mistaken in assuming it was a foreign cult.
Other than that, pretty much everything he said was spot on.
If you want pictures of the many skinny, shaven head men who were thrown in bogs (a shaved head was a sign of disgrace usually reserved for whores, this seems to imply alot given that it was put on men) I would be happy to upload them
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No.6925
>>6920
>Germania is not a reputable source
And exactly what is unreputable about it? They used to think Tacitus made up the bog sacrifices, until they started uncovering the famed bog mummies. The only things that are wrong about it were misconceptions on Tacitus part, like him claiming that the Cult of Isis was imported to Germania from Egypt. He was part correct, he was referring to a Vanir Goddess cult that used a ship very similar to an Egyptian one as it's emblem, this can be confirmed by later Nordic connections between Vanir and ships, but Tacitus was mistaken in assuming it was a foreign cult.
Other than that, pretty much everything he said was spot on.
If you want pictures of the many skinny, shaven head men who were thrown in bogs (a shaved head was a sign of disgrace usually reserved for whores, this seems to imply alot given that it was put on men) I would be happy to upload them
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No.6949
>>6921
>>6924
>>6925
Tacitus himself had never travelled in the Germanic lands; all his information is second-hand at best.[3]
- Alfred Gudeman (1900). "The Sources of the Germania of Tacitus". Transactions and Proceedings of the American Philological Association (The Johns Hopkins University Press) 31: 93–111.
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No.6954
Archive
https://web.archive.org/save/http://norskk.com/talk/2015/7/21/homosexuality-in-asatru
Don't link directly to cancer like that, OP. On the subject: homosexuals have no place in civilization thus they have no place in 'paganism'.
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No.7503
>>6787
It seems you may be on to something here…
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No.8014
>>6728
>Just because some aspect of society is different than in the past doesn't mean it is necessarily right or proper.
This. When did morals have an expiration date?
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No.8051
It's bullshit, naturally. The sources, the skalds of those times used femininity in men as the most degrading insult.
I'm fucking mad that there exists these 'useful idiots' to make lazy lards who can't be bothered or who don't have the language to check the sources themselves. So they rely on politically correct middlemen gaylords.
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No.8053
>>8051
These faggots will give me an ulcer before my time. Norskk, Ledditrus, all of them.
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No.8058
>>8051
>It's bullshit, naturally. The sources, the skalds of those times used femininity in men as the most degrading insult.
Why don't you take all these sources and send them to them? That should show them right? And I'm not not talking about translated texts of course - we're gonna need the original writing in Old Norse here, which I'm sure you know, since you're posting on this board.
>>8053
Aw…. You poor thing! I don't realise just how butthurt you were.
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No.8059
>>6726
I'm sure there are worse things than faggotry and I don't know entirely where I stand here. On the one hand, Tacitus' accounts are all to be taken with pinches of salt. On the other hand, does this article have any source for claims of men fucking other men after defeating them in battle and fucking slaves before killing them? I think choosing Loki as an example of good behaviour is fucking laughable and I don't see why Odin picking Sleipnir as a steed is necessarily an endorsement of his origins - Sleipnir is fast as fuck, that's reason enough to claim him. Saying you can "in no way understand the Norse literature if you're reading a translation" is dumb. No doubt you can understand it better if you understand ON, but there's a reason translators exist in the world - translations are useful and meanings can be translated well enough between most language. Also very straw-manny to imply that everyone who understands ON is a universalist and all folkish Heathens are illiterate.
One thing I agree with is that, indeed, we shouldn't push our beliefs on them. In the same vein, how about they stay the fuck away from us and let us be "bigots" in peace? I also agree that it's worth bearing in mind that there's a difference between the cultures of the Norse and west Germanic peoples - it could be said that there are "demoninations" of the Germanic faith: Asatru, Theodism, etc. Perhaps they should stop trying to tell us about "how gay the vikings were" and instead accept that some of us are English, Dutch, German and don't much give a fuck whom the "vikings" (seeing an article use this term instead of "Norse people" is telling enough…) did or didn't fuck.
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No.8060
>>6734
Those fucking replies you got, wow. That shit is embarrassing to read considering that they were comments they left on their own website. Calling you an Anglophone like that's an insult when they, themselves, are speaking English and then making some "haha vikings so strong boast we'd rape you". I guess that's why the Norse people successfully conquered so much land belonging to other Germanic peoples and why the Norwegian empire spanned 1/3 of the world and we're all speaking Swedish right now. Oh, wait.
>>6735
I feel you - I honestly would rather talk/chill/have a beer with decent Catholics than Lokean (good shout to the guy who proposes using this term to describe universalists, it is fitting) wiccatrus. I hope the same - that we can "win" by showing enough people the right path - but I don't know how optimistic it's sensible to be.
>>6783
>wow didn't even know the Bifröst bridge symbolized tolerance
Was smiling as I read until this line. This fucked me up, nice.
>>8014
Underrated question.
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No.8062
I thought you guys were exaggerating with the $200 courses on how to be a real viking man and the $20 beard oil, but I just actually looked through their site. $60 for a BRONZE handmade mjolnir pendant, $180 for an also BRONZE "viking made" one. I've seen solid fucking gold mjolnirs for cheaper, how can they justify such a price for bronze jewellery?
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No.8063
>>8062
>Wanna be a Víkingar but no nothing about Norse stuff? This course covers the fundamentals of Norse mythology and ancestral Norse traditions. We could also call it Norse Stuff for Dummies.
>no nothing
>no
>for Dummies
Sounds about right.
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No.8067
>>8062
I have a pure bronze mjolnir pendant (it is pretty big for a pendant too) and it only cost me 20 bucks. These people are rip-offs.
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No.8074
>>8067
Mine was about 50, but it has a leather cord and dragon heads with an oath ring to hold it. Plus the actual hammer itself is pretty weighty and looks handmade and smithed.
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No.8077
>>8070
It might be overpriced in that regard but it is affordable nonetheless. But I rather have machine-forged one than one produce by these types then. Later on though I might forge my own but til then the one I have serves it's purpose. I have had it for years it is pretty weighty and big (most mjolnir pendants I see are tiny mine is at least twice the size) I have performed blots with it (successfully).
>>8074
I used to wear mine with a leather chord too until it broke one day at work.
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No.8079
>>8077
Mine is a pretty decent quality leather cord with bronze dragon heads on the ends, but the cord is kinda just glued onto the insides of the dragon heads. Its been working fine for 2 years but it just sorta seems cheap since the rest of the hammer is very nice. I dont often really wear it except for ritual, i keep it hanging on my shrine.
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No.13418
>>6949
>Alfred Gudeman
Gudeman died in the Nazi Theresienstadt concentration camp in 1942.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Gudeman
Really activates my almonds.
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No.13419
>>6728
>several of the hirðmenn would take turn having sex with the slave(s)
>No doubt dicking a slave was different than dicking your friend or fellow citizen
So if you were enslaved by vikings you got regularily buttraped and there was some spiritual mumbo jumbo to make it ok?
the fuck.
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No.13421
>>6924
>claiming that the Cult of Isis was imported to Germania from Egypt.
Tacticu wrote this around 98AD, roughly a hundred years after the romans founded big cities in Germania minor, its not unlikely he got his sources from the more civilised parts of the roman sphere of influence.
The romans who colonized germania minor actually brought a few Isis worhipping egyptians with them who lived in the multicultutal big cities along the rhine (no, this is not my sublime desire to pozz history but reality.) such as cologne were you can find many roman sculptures, but also multi-titted sphinxes and germanic stuf, recently a grave of an egyptian priestess has been found who served her diaspora around a roman villa in Erkelenz from the second century AD.
If tacticus got his information from the trading spots and cities in the ethnic clusterfuck of germanics, romans, celts and smaller oriental populations in the cities, were cosmopolitian romans wrote about what they knew from the tribes beyond the citywalls and established streets then you can expect some nongermanic influence without having to think it has to be a misinterpretation.
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No.13428
>>13419
Yeah no, homosexuality, from what I know, was not tolerated in Germanic society
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No.13431
Enough with this Abrahamic bullshit. Tacitus didn't write a holy book, he wrote a description about the tribes of Germania.
>bu-but he never went there
He stands closer to Germania than we do. Since nothing he writes is particularly bizarre or fanciful, we can conclude with enough certainty that he probably wasn't making shit up for the lulz.
Given that their cousins the Norse viewed the breaking of gender roles as abhorrent, we can induce certain things about their society. I'm sorry if this makes some of you uncomfortable. Please consider creating your own religion where you can do as you please. I don't think anybody here will stop you.
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No.13432
If there were more of us I'd propose raiding these ergi fucks, but as it is I'm still trying to funnel anons here, this place needs to be brought back to life.
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No.13963
Found this kid on "the International Patriot" faceberg page. Can't Europeans have anything for ourselves?
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No.13964
>>6728
>Probably because there was no concept of sexual orientation at the time; that's a concept that can be entertained in times of luxury and hedonism. At the time it was most likely normal person who furthers the tribe and freak who takes dicks in the ass and serves no purpose and deserves to die.
But they did have words, it was "he who runs from female genital" and "she who runs from male genital"
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No.13969
>>13963
He looks mixed and is from iceland.
Id give him a pass, he tries hard to fit in and has the bloodconnection on one parental site.
Question time:
That guy with one african parent and an indigenous icelandish one, raised by and besides the natives of a nordic european culture with one of the closest connections to this ancient faith-does he make a better Asatru then a white american-descendant of 5 Generations of protestants on both sides and raised in the modern midwest culture??
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No.13970
>>13969
That's a he?
And no, he doesn't. Two things to consider.
1. He's the product of a union of traitors.
2. His visibility normalizes the above.
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No.13973
>>13969
> from iceland
Is he? "Breno" is not a legal name in Iceland.
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No.13974
>>13970
He seems to have a flat chest and a masculine jawline so I think its an androgynous dude.
I dont know man, your second point is legit but the one before is not his fault, his parents are probably buttmad about him considering himself a nationalist. Also the thought of rubbing it in seems mean, im just too soft for that.
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No.13975
>>13973
>mfw the icelandic naming comitee exists
BASED more countries should have this, here most of our traditional names have been supplanted by english or hebraic ones.
He wrote he is icelandic, I didnt knew about the naming thing. Breno is some celtiberian name it seems.
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No.13978
>>13974
I don't wish the kid any malice, but the collective people come before the individual (even assuming he really is the very model of an asatrur). The collective people are in huge danger right now, it doesn't really matter if it's his fault or not.
And that's a huge assumption, frankly. Right now his major qualification is that he lives in Iceland and one of his treasonous parents is descended from vikings. Big whoop. If his faceberg likes go away and he starts facing consequences for his "beliefs," will he backpeddle into the land of libshitism? Will he be giving speeches in 10 years about how he used to be a nationalist and here's how you fight nationalism and we're all one race the human race?
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No.13980
>>13969
>from Iceland
More larping by the looks of it. His entire wall is Portuguese ?
Also
>letting mutts in
But my point wasn't really to attack this one fag.
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No.13983
>>13980
>his entire wall is portugese
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No.13985
>>13983
We wuz vikins an shiet mang I swer to gods!
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