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This is always a good watch

>>17966

That was really helpful! Thanks!>>17966

>>17959

Hmm, ok. I'll check those out. I have been looking into runes and old languages quite a bit too.

>>17958

Dude, I'm a recent convert too! This pagan on /christian/ showed me the way of REAL paganism though, and it's not what these two are doing:

>>17959

>>17966

Ignore these guys, they'll steer you wrong.

You see, one of the things that define the christcucks is their dependency on the the written word/recorded information and passed down tradition. I've also noticed you've been reading the Poetic Edda. Dude…. NOT cool! Both the Poetic AND Prose Eddas, and all of the Sagas, and most histories of pagans, were written down, compiled and preserved by christcucks! You don't want to be influenced by christucks…. do you? In the event of an apocalyptic event that wipes out all written and recorded materials, and all of the priests, cucktianity would just die out. You see, those silly Jew LARPers actually BELIEVE in a supernatural all powerful deity that would protect their church from such a thing. We, on the other hand, are much more practical and down to earth.

We don't REALLY believe in anything silly like the supernatural, or abstract realms and morals beyond the here and now, like those utterly deluded happy merchant bootlickers. Thor? Odin? Land spirits? That's just window dressing that we think is like, really cool and stuff. We're really just Nihilists who only believe in our own strength, and looking out for our own little micro-tribes and trying to get famous and amass as much cool stuff as possible so that people will remember us. Since going to the halls of our gods or ancestors are just folktales in the face of just disappearing into the aether upon death, the only way achieve any sort of immortality is for people to remember you.

As you can see, much MUCH more realistic and practical than that eternal kingdom that dude hanging on a stick offers you. (Just don't think too hard about the fact that, unless you happen to become one of the 0.000001% of humans on earth like Mozart or Genghis Khan who does something truly significant on a worldwide level, that it isn't a matter of IF your family line will eventually stop caring that much about your family tree and forget you, but WHEN. Also just push to the back of your mind the fact that even if you happen to become the next Hitler or Mussolini, the Sun going supernova, or the heat death/reverse big bang of the universe, will wipe out any trace of your accomplishments that you fought so hard for)

"But DUDE!" I hear you saying. "Like, how am I suppose to worship or pray to the "gods" or go about having a worldview and behave as an actual pagan?" DUDE! That's the BEAUTY of paganism! We aren't bound to books, or tradition or some oppressive tyrannical priestly class maintaining proper decorum or order! In the event of a cataclysmic event wiping out all known information, we'd just start all over no sweat! Because paganism is IN you! It IS you! Since we're just a bunch of people making up stuff (and always have been), all YOU have to do is just do likewise! Just follow your heart, and it will never lead your wrong! Watch the video I am embedded for a beautiful example of REAL paganism!

>>17985

See, those people don't care about no stinking books, or passed down tradition or a solid priestly class or comparative mythology (or if they do, it's the New Age section at their local Barnes & Noble, which isn't that bad, since such books are not nearly as mired in that academic scholarly garbage that ties you down with facts, histories and limitations on what you can believe and practice!) They just go with the flow and do what feels good, and it's ALL good!

You can do it too! Every pagan belief system has a fire god/goddess, ice god/goddess, god/goddess of the harvest, whatever…. just make some gods/goddesses of this type up! And just start making up your own ritual for making offerings to the *snicker* *wink* "gods" for whatever cool stuff you want. (Protip: throughout all of paganism, the "gods" consistently LOVE human and ESPECIALLY child sacrifice! So if you REALLY want to get some extra brownie points from your imaginary frie… I mean "gods", try to get someone's baby for an offering, and watch the blessings flow! Make sure the sacrifice style is something cool and EXTREME! Like stabbing them with a spear while hanging, or cutting them open so their ribs can be ripped open to make a pair of wings! Or just rip their still beating heart out of their chest! You can't go wrong with that!

Also, remember: your family and your tribe is ALL that matters in this entire cosmos (even if your tribe/kindred/whatever is more than likely to consist of four other dudes who LARP around in the woods with you.) Everyone outside of your family and tribe are at best possible allies if they prove useful and practical, or are fair game for raids and attacking and stealing from if it suits you! The "gods" themselves don't really "love" you in a truly soul fulfilling sense, and view you pragmatically as glorified tools for their own ends; why should you treat other people any different?

Whew, glad I helped you dodge a bullet there buddy! Ignore the books, archeology, scholarly research, and all that christcuck influenced nonsense, and just get out there and start paganing, my fellow wolf brother!

>>17958

I'm not too apt on the idea of freely sharing what I strived to gain. And what I found is not in some dusty tome or a revisionist's ideas or the "traditions" of reconstructionists. There is no easy answer. I firmly believe that anything worth having should never come easy, even in the scope of ideals. As such, I'd much rather give you advice on this path you have begun to undertake.

Whether you consider the gods real or allegorical as figures like Carl Jung did, is of little consequence. It is easy to say you are something, and entirely different to actually be something. To leave behind one's indoctrination is a herculean effort, but still possible.

You have taken the first steps, I think, but do not fall back into the christian trap of being a slave to the categorical imperatives of your mind. There are many in the world, many even here, who fall into this trap; ignoring context and nuance of the ancestors for their own preconceived notions of black and white, good and evil, order and chaos.

Next to be loyal to a faith is to be willing to betray it. As such, do not limit yourself only to the Norsemen. Our spiritual cousins were also equally perceptive of the reality which surrounded them. I guarantee that their gods are just as real. The Romans, the Goths, the Ancient Finns and Celts, and others, too, have their mysteries to explore.

Beware the trap of worship. In my experience I have never found the true gods of man appreciative of servants, sheep and slaves, those mindless tools who are worth nothing on their own. Strive to make yourself worthy of their attention, and never stop progressing forward in this regard. Become someone who can revel with them and smile at them. We humans should become their equals. Even their betters.

And finally, remember always that when life blossoms before you and sings to you, and makes you sing in return; no one can steal this from you or prove you wrong. No matter how better, more experienced or smarter they perceive themselves to be. You have nothing to prove to them, in the same way they have nothing to prove to you. To have one's ideas, convictions and truths echoed back to them by reality itself is proof enough.

>>17958

The Temple Wotan by Ron McVan

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.othroerirkindred.com/resources/temple-of-wotan-ron-mcvan.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjemurT7t3cAhVNUK0KHTiRDh4QFjADegQIBhAB&usg=AOvVaw3DXtKaEgv2HeldVgns1jp2

>>17985

>>17986

Reminder that /christ/ doesn't see anything wrong with racemixing.

>>17985

Oh my god, what the fuck are you thinking? Paganism isn't about nihilism and "yay, let's all get along!" Fuck you and you're shitty value system! Why are you even on /asatru/? If you don't follow Norse Paganism, you're not an Asatruar. Paganism is about upholding tradition and living in a much more logical way. You'd be retarded to think that there are no or have never been supernatural beings. And even if you don't think of them as actual beings, at least go how Varg does and believe in the traditions and keep our people and culture alive and free from kikes!!!

>>17992

You're talking to /christ/. The cuck's not here to argue in good faith.

>>17993

Their need to proselytize is annoying. Why must they always try to sell poison to people who reject it?

These are very good reads

https://www.facebook.com/notes/schola-aetii/lesson-1-the-nature-of-the-gods/633178780352007/

https://www.facebook.com/notes/schola-aetii/lesson-1o-the-role-of-evil-in-paganism/699339510402600/

>>17985

t. Varg

>>17990

>>christian playing a pagan betrays his covenant

Ironically, your post betrays your ignorance of your own worldview.

>>Snorri may have been only a commoner and not of a priestly caste but he wasn't a Christian.

Snorri wrote the Prose Edda. The Prose Edda literally begins with an extended prologue that euhemerizes the pagan gods as being deifications of Trojan warriors who migrated to the north after the fall of Troy. This doesn't even take into account his cosmopolitan Christian education.

As for the Poetic Edda, the poems were written and compiled during the time period of the Christianization of Scandinavia, in a form that is the product of said Christianization (i.e. not runes carved on stones.) The poems themselves even contain an obvious Christian influence, such as the original ending of Voluspa, and Loki, originally at best a local folk deity, being transformed into essentially the "Norse Satan" that he is popularly known as today.

>>All the Christian "afterlives" in English are literally Germanic concepts and realms,

We borrowed the word "Hell." That's it. (Hades from the Greeks in Orthodoxy.)

In contrast, the modern conception of Valhalla, and other realms being separate and apart from the Earth were directly the product of syncretism with Christianity. Until their contact with Christianity, the afterlife beliefs of northern pagans basically consisted of dying into the earth or local mountain and continuing life there, and supposedly keeping watch over one's kin from said spot. Stuff like going into the hall of one's personal best friend god like Odin or Freya is the product of modern pagans paganizing the Christian concept of a personal relationship with Christ. In the original pagan worldview, even the gods were strictly hierarchal and limited. Odin and the like would only have personal relationships with kings and heroes. Anyone else was watched over on a tribal level (i.e. the tribe would offer offerings to Odin as a group, and he would give something back to said group.) For personal relationships, anyone who was not a king or hero would cultivate relationships with the local land spirits, or their ancestral spirits. In other words, going to Odin with your personal problems was akin to driving to the White House to try to talk with Donald Trump about your personal problems. You don't do that, you do that with neighbors (i.e. real physical human neighbors or local spirits.)

As for the so called "seperate realms", these were allegories. Jötunheimr/Útgarðr, the "realm of the giants" was any foreign place outside of your local village, where you were outside of the protection of the laws of your people (which is why outlawry was a de facto death sentence.) Innangard was an expression of the gods, laws, and values of your community, with Asgard being the "holy of holies" - your local temple, so to speak. In other words, the metaphorical fence that kept Jötunheimr/Útgarðr (and the jotuns, representing chaos and disorder) out.

>>18085

> As a tribe member you believed in a different sect from another tribe but were under the same understanding of Greater Germania for alliances.

Yes, this is why within the Icelandic culture, there prevailed a cultural attitude of "go on and raid and cause trouble with other foreign neighboring tribes to make a name for yourself, as long as you don't cause any trouble here." as observed in the Icelandic Sagas. Not to mention the whole Vikings enslaving their European tribal neighbors to sell amongst themselves, or to others, even Muslims, thing:

https://youtu.be/ozAPmRun8GU

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_slave_trade

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_medieval_Europe#Vikings

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/12/151228-vikings-slaves-thralls-norse-scandinavia-archaeology/

Along with their wonderful treatment of said slaves:

http://sciencenordic.com/vikings-abused-and-beheaded-their-slaves

>>“Six men entered the pavilion and all had intercourse with the slavegirl. They laid her down beside her master and two of them took hold of her feet, two her hands. The crone called the ‘Angel of Death’ placed arope around her neck (…)

>>She advanced with a broad-bladed dagger and began to thrust it in and out between her ribs (…) while the two men throttled her with the rope until she died.”

>>[From Ibn Fadlān’s Account as related in an article by James E. Montgomery, Cambridge, published in The Journal of Arabic and Islamic Studies, 2000] (more text here)

In fact, any attempt towards reform against this system was begun by Christianity (despite still being obviously influenced by pagan tribalism in it's early stages):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_slave_trade

>>Thralldom was outlawed in 1335 by Magnus IV of Sweden for thralls "born by Christian parents" in Västergötland and Värend, being the last parts where it had remained legal.[3] This however, was only applicable within the borders of Sweden, which opened up for later slave trade in the colonies.

So much for White/Pagan unity.

>>18086

>>Christians simplified, bastardized, blah blah blah….

Completely brushes under the carpet the blatant focus on materialism and the ultimately finite memory of deeds in contrast to an eternal Kingdom

>>That eternal kingdom of mono-culturalism but multi-racialism, sounds like a place more for refuse rather than the righteous.

"Who cares about eternity, there might be non-whites there! How will I maintain my narcissistic sense of superiority to others by my association with the White race rather than my own accomplishments?"

>>The Aryan has always been a traveler over difficult seas, the space between the Bones of Giants is just another crossing.

"This pseudo-deep (but ultimately empty) quote oughtta push those nagging doubts to the back of my head where they belong!"

>>but the cycle will repeat the same as it did now and again forever,

So…..everything ends, a new cycle begins, and everything you did is for nothing, because the new cycle would have started with or without you. (even the gods lose at Ragnarök, no matter how hard they fight. But "victory is forever" right?)

>>Sounds like Christians in their many synods, condemning Heretics like Arius, are all those who believed that heresy such as Alaric and his warriors with Hel?

>>Sounds like what Christians simply do to other Christians of another sect, it must be difficult when there must be "one understanding" to the "revealed truth"

Without an Absolute Truth from an Absolute God, you get relativism like this:

>>17987

>>Whether you consider the gods real or allegorical as figures like Carl Jung did, is of little consequence.

If this is the prevailing attitude, than you are all indeed nihilists, believing in whatever makes you comfortable, and creating laws, beliefs and gods from you imaginations, not the divine.

>>the Aesir need us, as much as we need the Aesir.

Actually, according to hardcore reconstructionists like Bil Linzie and reconstructionist communities like asatrulore.org, the gods don't need us at all.

>>18087

Also, the following is pure New Age Sewage inspired modernist cringe:

>>17987

>>I'm not too apt on the idea of freely sharing what I strived to gain. And what I found is not in some dusty tome or a revisionist's ideas or the "traditions" of reconstructionists.

Passing down traditions through oral recitation and recordings is how traditions and cultures survive and don't become hot messes in need of reconstructing (like the state of modern paganism) in the first place.

>>Beware the trap of worship. In my experience I have never found the true gods of man appreciative of servants, sheep and slaves, those mindless tools who are worth nothing on their own.

>>Strive to make yourself worthy of their attention, and never stop progressing forward in this regard.

>>Become someone who can revel with them and smile at them. We humans should become their equals. Even their betters.

>>Even their betters.

Exhibit A of what kind of ahistorical UPG (Unverified Personal Gnosis, also known as MUS - Made Up S***) nonsense flourishes without tradition, research and archeology.

My two posts:

>>17985

>>17986

Were partially intended as a satire of this kind of thinking. There's a pagan (or possibly a "pagan") who calls himself "that one pagan" (I've lovingly nicknamed him Wimp-lo, due to his constant use of the "everyone's a secret crypto-pagan" argument in a manner similar to the way that the same named character from Kung-Pow rationalizes any defeat as a victory) who constantly ban evades and either inserts himself into threads to regurgitate his crypto pagan arguments, or into threads where a christian is going through hard times and proceeds to bully him. One of his central arguments that he has begun to bring up is very similar to this posters statements:

>>17987

…that Christianity is doomed to die due to being dependent on books and passed down tradition, whereas paganism can pop up anywhere due to people just instinctively making up stuff (in spite of the fact that it's been pointed out to him, that the modern right wing pagan movement is the product of said movement breaking away from the Wicca and New Age movements through academic scholarship, research, comparative mythology, archeology, reconstruction, etc., while left-wing paganism is the product of people following his philosophy to a T.

Thus, I was also partially motivated to see how much of a consensus his view has here. Judging by the amount of books and resources being recommended in this thread, including scholarly work being directly recommended in one such resource, y'all seem to disagree with him:

>>17959

>>17966

>>18043

Though this one is academically questionable at best, if not outright fanfiction at worst: >>17988

So a question I have is this: is he one of you, or is he a false flag troll trying to make y'all look dumb?

Finally, if y'all want sources on some of my earlier assertions above, go to the .pdf archive and start reading some of the works of Bil Linzie (especially Germanic Spirituality and his works on Reconstruction) and The Culture of the Teutons Vols 1 and 2, and more such work to really understand the heathen worldview on a deep level.

>>18044

>>t. Varg

Then why does he seem to be one of this board's heroes and sources of info based on the dedicated threads to his videos and the veritable meme factory involving him here?

>>18088

Almost forgot this:

>Christians for centuries didn't think priests should have children but piety is in the blood, taking the most pious of our race and making them consecrated enunchs is of great inequity to our race but useful to the invader. At least Martin Luther broke such a system of forgery and took a wife.

Actually priests not being able to marry came much later. Bishops were also initially allowed to marry. Regardless, you betray a belief in the god of biomechanics, rather than the supernatural. Even with monks dedicating themselves to celibacy, intelligent, good people keep popping up due to God's ultimate will and order.

>>18089

>Even with monks dedicating themselves to celibacy, intelligent, good people keep popping up due to God's ultimate will and order.

what world do you live in? priests are literally all fucking pedophiles you nitwit, have you not been paying attention to the new? or the last 30 years? There are many intelligent and good people who are not Christian, are they the result of Gods will?

>>18087

>Completely brushes under the carpet the blatant focus on materialism and the ultimately finite memory of deeds in contrast to an eternal Kingdom

Most worthwhile societies achieved more than Dark Ages Europe on their own merits (read: taking from pre-Christian or non-Christian source as was the case in Renaissance Europe) without belief in a postive afterlife. Your fear of death and desperation for a sky daddy is amusing though.

>"Who cares about eternity, there might be non-whites there! How will I maintain my narcissistic sense of superiority to others by my association with the White race rather than my own accomplishments?"

Well you haven't demonstrated there's a multicultural eternity. I'll wait for you to show a worthwhile multiracial society or any accomplishments by Niggers. Would you accept a Nigger as your son-in-law?

>>17958

>convert to something you don't really know about

makes sense

>I really need some knowledge on how to practice the religion. What books do y'all suggest to find out what I need to know?

not how it works bro, there's no church or scripture or historical community to join, just do whatever the fuck you want but don't be a gay guy, that's it.

>>18099

if my mutt son was Larry Wheels or Dwanye Johnson, I'd be proud too, not gonna lie.

>>18101

Fathers of mutt children don't invest as much into them as they would if their children were properly of their stock. Be it abuse, abadonment, etc.

>>18101

Your comment is why we lost India to the ungifted dark skinned hordes. There is only one character in all our stories who has a bowl and knife and that'd be Hela and there is only one in the same in the lands of India, Kali. She is their dictator and the ruthless ruler of the black skinned against us and its no coincidence that dark skinned peoples put their trust in such matriarchal societies.

Vedas depict her with blue eyes but now she only shows herself with blue skin, standing upon a revised Rudra (Donner) strangled by the serpent. Such a scene is very possible to see during the final strife, which Hel works always towards to free her father. Once no more live who can reciprocate the gifts of the Aesir then Helheim will overpopulate with dragur to the point that the Einherjar and Aesir will be overcome, ending this cycle.

Our racial preservation goes beyond belief, as it has, as it still does, the Aesir did not give us beliefs but instead soul, sense and goodly color. Those without such gifts are only the works of dwarfs.

>>18087

>If this is the prevailing attitude, than you are all indeed nihilists, believing in whatever makes you comfortable, and creating laws, beliefs and gods from you imaginations, not the divine.

I was nihilist, once, but I guarantee that that shattered by divinity long ago. In the end if someone considers them allegorically, the truth will burn through. If it happened to me, it can happen to another.

To create one's own values and laws, to stand firm in one's convictions above their won struggles is a superabundance of strength nothing can surmount.

>>>the Aesir need us, as much as we need the Aesir.

I've no idea where you got this from.

>>18088

>Passing down traditions through oral recitation and recordings is how traditions and cultures survive and don't become hot messes in need of reconstructing (like the state of modern paganism) in the first place.

Good thing I'm not trying to be a prophet of culture or of anything, for that matter. If you could read, I only wanted to give advice, advice I wish I had when I started my path, not start a following or a community. I do not care to play with a puzzle of cultures destroyed when we have the future ahead of us.

>Exhibit A of what kind of ahistorical UPG (Unverified Personal Gnosis, also known as MUS - Made Up S***) nonsense flourishes without tradition, research and archeology.

If you believe, truly, that the gods are buried in the dirt, go dig them out; they may have presents for you. I am not concerned with foolish mimicking of dead cultures. While they possess struggles and lessons to take and to be learned from, they ultimately failed. Like them, the only thing we possess is the now and the future. The only thing we can learn from the past is how not to fail next time.

I am unconcerned with past outside of it's context to the present. It is better to forage one's own life to make something worthy of remembering, like our ancestors did so long ago, rather than to cling to dead dogma. We need to focus on the future, not remain only in the past.

>My two posts:

>Were partially intended as a satire of this kind of thinking.

I can't decide what's worse, pretending to be a satire of a post that came afterwards, or finally labelling it satire because it suits you now to do so.

>>18104

>/asatru/

>get a hindu vedas lecture about their demons

>their demons are like our pagan demons/archetypes/myths

not really, also you guys are confused

repent of your superstitions

India is a good example of the dangers of miscegenation and multiculturalism (which Christians have no actual opposition towards).

>>18118

Don't you have some Niggers to accept into your church? How's your mulatto grandchild?

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/shit-cuckservatives-say/

>“I would be proud to have a (half) black grandkid”

This is what a christcuck says.

>>18138

He didn't say that, he was more specific.

Larry Wheels is a beast.