No.17863
How does one remain chaste and celibate (until marriage) when you're surrounded by lewd and willing women? And also porn everywhere? I live in a country where girls love tall, white men and I always have a girlfriend. Fornication is inevitable.
is this haram in asatru or am i worrying pointlessly?
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No.17865
Premarital sex is not a good idea for several reasons.
>increased number of premarital sexual partners correlates to a higher divorce rate. It's a huge correlation: 0 premarital sexual partners = 15% divorce rate, 2+ previous sexual partners = 50+% divorce rate (approaching 70-80% as number of partners increases)
>increase chance of contracting an std. This hurts your personal health and makes you less attractive.
>possibility of knocking a girl up who you don't want to have kids with. It's harder to find a wife if you're paying child support already
The purpose of sex is to build a stronger relationship and have kids.
I used to be weak and hook up at the bar or have girlfriends. Now I'm not seeing any girls until I have enough money and land to have kids, at which point I will look for someone to have kids with.
Christfags are anti-sexual prudes, but premarital sex is something they are correct about, albeit for the wrong reasons.
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No.17866
So to answer your question - self control and refrain from getting top drunk.
Jerk off if you have to (not to porn) but just try to control yourself and funnel your sexual energy towards something (like job, hobbies, gym).
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No.17867
>>17865
>Now I'm not seeing any girls until I have enough money and land
I have to wonder if this is the right way to go about it nowadays, with ahkmed and jose having 5 kids in your country and 5 kids at home. You can raise a kid without being comfortable financially, you can raise a good kid even. Adversity builds strength.
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No.17868
>>17867
of course it's wrong
that time might never come, or it might come when you're 45, and you'll be old and slow, you won't enjoy your kids as much.
best time to have kids is in your early 20s, so when they are ready to leave the house you're still in your late 30s, strapping and strong. Plus you can have more that way
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No.17869
>>17867
>>17868
I'm in my early 20s now. I'm waiting until I'm in my late 20s, then I'll look for a girl who is ~20
I'm planning on having half a dozen kids minimum, and it's harder to do that without land.
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No.17871
>>17865
>increased number of premarital sexual partners correlates to a higher divorce rate
Isn't that only for women though? I don't think having multiple sexual partners has the same kind of mental effect on men as it does on women.
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No.17873
>>17871
I've only seen the stats for women, so I don't know.
Either way, continuing to have premarital sex with white women would raise the chance of them being divorced later in life, and thus I should not contribute to that happening.
Children raised by single mothers have far worse outcomes in life, and single mothers overwhelmingly support welfare. I can't in good consciousness destroy the lives of white children, make white women worse, and ruin the lives of other white men.
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No.17875
>>17871
It takes two to tango anon, who are the men going to be hooking up with?
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No.17876
>>17871
>>17875
this anon is right, its not so much that premarital sex doesnt cause as much psychological and emotional damage to men, its that the only way a man can have premarital sex is by fucking some whore. thats 1 less suitable wife for society, and is thus still damaging in the long run. Women are largely a reflection of the men of their race; if the men become degenerate manwhores trying to get sum POUSSI from every girl they see, they turn every girl they come into contact with into a dick-craving whore. My dad is the kinda person that likes to brag about how many sluts he slammed back in high school and college, and then wonders why hes approaching 50 and still cant find a wife and why my mom left him decades ago. Dumb faggots like that are the ruiners of women and they deserve just as much hate and disdain as your average thot. its a sad state of affairs when giving into your sexual desires is considered "alpha", the romans considered you womanly if you were a man and gave into your sexual lusts so basely like a fucking animal, because only women are so easily spun by the threads of lust and love.
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No.17877
>>17863
>>I'm a King who has many brides, children, land, money and men at arms. What do /asatru/?
Oh wait, I bet you have none of that, you're a false King. A part of the cult of infertility I doubt you even have an offspring. What are you even doing with your living time? You are no King since you ask for answers rather than institute your will, so multiple women would be wasted on a Kingdom dedicated to your lineage. You malefactor, roaming the countryside seeking neither the blessings of your father and her father to couple.
Your works would anger the Aesir greatly because it leads us ever towards collapse but unto the Vanir the real feelings you all felt probably delighted them, since they love the moment and hate before and after it. Remember what Othin did to Gulveig for not caring for a family and then remember what the Vanir did to Mimir.
>>17869
>>and it's harder to do that without land
Take land and hold onto it. This cannot be stressed more than anything else, it is what will bring health to your family. While more difficult in our days, to not make it a struggle to attain control of your own land risks your ability to control your own lineage.
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No.17882
>>17876
Exactly
>>17877
>Vanir the real feelings you all felt probably delighted them, since they love the moment and hate before and after it.
Love and lust are both very important things for fertility but I wouldn't say the Vanir are as hedonistic as you're suggesting anon. Everything else is spot on though.
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No.17883
>>17876
I remember reading that in renaissance Italy, prostitution was encouraged for exactly this reason.
It allowed men to blow their load into something before marriage so that 99% of girls could remain chaste before marriage.
There is a quote by Cato the younger saying something to the same effect also - that it was better to see a prostitute than to ruin another mans wife
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No.17884
>>17882
I admit anon perhaps I am not to learned on the ways of Vans but you must remember how Frey lost his sword for lusting after Gertr. Just by eyeing her, "he spake not, he slept not, he drank not", he didn't even want to meet her thinking he'd mess it up for himself so he sent his servant to speak to her father on his own behalf. When his servant then asked to bring Frey's sword on his travels it got lost not to be found and "Freyr will think a worse thing has come upon him, when he misses his sword on that day that the Sons of Múspell go a-harrying." He ended up only winning Gertr through threat and spell. As well look at Freyja who chose a man who would never be around out of lust for him and now this single-mother can only weep for a husband never around.
Yes the Vanir know much about love and lust as their race hinges on a kind of irresistibility. Just be sure to not make your life a recreation of their own but no it cannot be stopped as well we all know Alfather tried to do that for Heidi, and perhaps only made her worse. And the race of Vanir have their place in the court of the Aesir and as well for us here in Midgard.
>>"Freyja is most conformable to men's prayers, and from her name comes the name of honor, Fru, by which noblewomen are called. Songs of love are well-pleasing to her it is good to call on her for furtherance in love."
>>"Frey is best of all the exalted gods in the Aesir's courts: no maid he makes to weep, nor wife of man, and from bonds looses all."
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No.17885
>>17882
>I wouldn't say the Vanir are as hedonistic as you're suggesting anon.
in the Heimskringla its stated that the Vanir practiced incest before the Aesir conquered them and abolished the practice, if they were degenerate and hedonistic enough to practice incest you can assume all sorts of things of them. there is a very strong sense of the push and pull between Apollonian and Dionysian instincts when it comes to the conflicts between the Aesir and Vanir; both are ultimately necessary and needed for the process of being human, but one is very clearly the superior and more civilized, while the other more base and animalistic, and you need to make sure that the Apollonian side stays dominant over the Dionysian. It isnt a bad thing to give into this side of humanity sometimes; girls dont want you to be a smart math-man like Apollo in bed, they want you to be a wild animal like Dionysus. But you can't be a wild animal all the time in society, and most of the time this more savage side of humanity needs to be suppressed so we can make way for civilization. Girls DO want you to be a smart math-man when it comes to having a job, if you just drink, fuck and party all day like a true Dionysian she will think of you the way she thinks of a boy. Giving into lust and hedonism works when youre bedding your wife; it doesnt work when youre trying to get a job or finish schooling.
>>17883
i remember reading this too, in a perfect society i dont think prostitutes should even exist because they can spread disease and they still defile the sacred feminine by their mere existence, but with how bad things are right now im willing to cut losses until we can shape a truly perfect society. that probably wont be until several generations after we are all dead.
>>17884
>I admit anon perhaps I am not to learned on the ways of Vans
no one really is honestly, most of what we know revolves around the aesir cult, and its hard to tell how much of this is because of their dominance over the mythology or because the christians probably viewed the vanir with more disdain and didnt want to record as much of them ( I remember reading that when Rome was Christianized, the Heavenly deities such as Jupiter were considered archangels falsely worshiped as gods, but terrestrial deities such as Pan were considered to be nothing but false idols or demons, im assuming something similar happened in northern europe but we do not have as clear a record of the process)
I've also always got the impression that the Aesir/Vanir war likely represents some ancient historical cultic war between those that worshiped the respective gods; whether this was a cultural war between the Germanics and some other group (likely Celtics or Scythians) or an internal conflict its hard to tell, we know Vanir worship existed at least 2000 years ago given the descriptions of the cult of Nerthus by Tacitus, but pinpointing when this theoretical cultic conflict took place is difficult. Its very possible given similar cultic conflicts in history, like the iconoclastic wars between Seth and Osiris and their respective cults in Egypt.
> Frey lost his sword for lusting after Gertr. Just by eyeing her, "he spake not, he slept not, he drank not"
theres also this, and it speaks deeply to the human spirit of love and lust. Ive been heartstruck by girls to the point of not being able to sleep or think, and ive made rash decisions to get women that werent even worth it. in contrast, the aesir make decisions which seemingly make things harder on themselves in the short term, but will ultimately work out in the long term. this is the very core of the conflict between Apollonian and Dionysian; the animal and the savage merely does what is in the moment and what his instincts tell him. the man and the civilized do what is his destiny and what his mind tells him.
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No.17891
>>17884
>>17885
These are good points but I suppose it depends on how literally you take the mythology, iirc there was a degree of separation between the myths from actual practise and belief
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No.17892
>>17883
>I remember reading that in renaissance Italy, prostitution was encouraged for exactly this reason.
That was a pretty interesting read:
https://dirtysexyhistory.com/2016/11/20/prostitution-in-renaissance-italy-the-necessary-evil/
>Prostitution in Renaissance Italy: The “Necessary Evil”
>In the wake of the fourteenth-century plague, which killed over half of Italy’s populations, cities were faced with a crisis. To make matters worse, Italian men seemed uninterested in repopulating the peninsula, struck by a sin worse than death—same-sex attraction.
>The medieval church had declared prostitution a “necessary evil,” drawing on St. Augustine of Hippo’s proclamation that “If you do away with whores, the world will be consumed with lust.” Thomas Aquinas likewise declared in the thirteenth century that “If prostitution were to be suppressed, careless lusts would overthrow society.” Aquinas likened prostitution to a sewer in a palace—if you took it away, the building would overflow with pollution. Or, more specifically, “Take away prostitutes from the world and you will fill it with sodomy.”
>Prostitutes, then, served as receptacles of sin, protecting the rest of society from male lust. And, in particular, they kept male passions focused on women, rather than other men.
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No.17893
>>17883
>>17892
Don't think it was just Renaissance Italy either, iirc the archbishop of Canterbury owned a number of brothels
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No.17953
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No.18500
>>17873
same. if im going to have premarital sex its not gonna be with someone of my own race
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No.18501
>>17876
>affecting marriage statistics of women
literally just have sex with non whites and keep the relationships reserved only for whites. there are certain ethnic groups who will open their legs no matter what so you wont really feel guilty. also i would urge anyone to be moderate and not become a man whore
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No.18528
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>>18501
Shut up, you drunk, evidence would suggest that was only a Christian thing in spreading the word, as Tacitus tells there was little to no sex before marriage. Further if that has ever been the case for our people you need only look to India on how that turned out and that act was against all Aryan philosophy in the Rigveda. You are not only wrong but your prescription means the death of our people.
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No.18845
Find a good woman to love. Marry her. Then have sex. It's truly not worth it to do otherwise.
"It's better to have loved and lost than never loved at all" is absolutely bullshit.
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No.18860
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