No.16166
I've been a Messianic Jew / Christian for some time now. But the more I've worked through things the more disappointed I feel. Its almost like as soon as I explored my faith I was confronted at every corner. So, why do you believe what you do?
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No.16169
>>16166
Ancestor worship should be the core value of any heathen. From that, those of us of Germanic ancestry should therefore worship the Germanic pantheon. If you aren't Germanic in origin I highly recommend you looking into the traditions of your own people and practicing those.
I've always been an Asatruar since before I knew what it was. I have always felt a connection to my own kind so when I discovered Asatru many years ago it felt like rediscovering myself.
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No.16170
Im German-Celt. Mostly Welsh and Cherusci. How should I proceed?
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No.16171
>>16170
Join the discord we'll help you out
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No.16172
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No.16180
>>16166
I was like that until a few years ago. I was raised as a Christian, I read the bible every week, I prayed every day, I was more Christian than anyone I knew. God was always on my mind, I didn't expect anything from Him, I thought that the most important thing in life was just to worship and have faith and store up my treasures in the kingdom of heaven, but my life always just felt empty, I thought it was because I wasn't faithful enough but the more hardcore I became the more I felt like a soulless robot.
>>16169
>I've always been an Asatruar since before I knew what it was. I have always felt a connection to my own kind so when I discovered Asatru many years ago it felt like rediscovering myself.
My story is similar to this, I always just felt more Pagan even as a Christian, the things that are valued in Paganism like nature, strength, beauty, kin, tradition (the real, ancient European traditions), etc… were always really close to me. I spent my whole life rejecting those things because they were all unimportant according to Christian teachings, but when I finally embraced them I felt I found a very important part of myself that I once lost, I felt more alive and more spiritual than I have ever been before. My epiphany was when I actually visited Europe, I always lived in a dry desert area, but walking in the fields and forests of my ancestral homeland made me realize how disconnected I was from my roots and how incompatible Christianity - a religion of the desert - was to my soul.
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No.16181
>>16180
Im rather taken with both Druidism and Asatru, and my family is deeply rooted German-Irish. I've dated matrilineally to around 1740 but there are a lot of holes. Patrilinealy I can date to the first colonists so I can safely assume the next fifty years before that my family was active.
How do I know which one to go with?
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No.16183
>>16180
This kinda reminds me of some practices I participated in Sunday school. We were given scenarios and we had to choose what would be the most pious. One scenario was about a christian hating warlord that holds your family hostage and gives you a choice to reject christ and die but doing this keeps your family alive while the other is to have your family die while still holding onto your christian faith. Everyone in the class said they would keep their family alive mostly under the assumption that they would just lie about rejecting Jesus, but apparently that was the wrong decision and saving your family from a painful death is unchristlike. I wondered for years why that would be considered the "correct" answer until I realized the gentile soul is completely at odds with semitic metaphysics.
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No.16186
>>16166
do not pollute european paganism with your jewish blood
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No.16188
>/asatru/ trying to convert a literal JEW to their side
the absolute state of it
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No.16189
>>16186
I am not a jew by blood. I'm black Irish and by all bloody means proud of it. I'm in a bagpipe band for christ's sake.
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No.16190
>>16188
Messianic Jew /=/ Jew
Just means I uphold some Hebrew customs. I suggest you think before you drool on your keyboard.
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No.16191
>>16189
>>16190
pardon me for assuming that any sane person would become a proper yeshua worshipper in their search for yehowah instead of becoming a half jew in the process
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No.16192
>>16191
Pfaw, there is a such thing as exploration of faith. Wanting to return to the roots of ones faith isn't "insane". If I'm not correct, returning to roots is quite close to the point of Asatru, is it not? Returning to the roots of primal Europe?
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No.16195
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No.16196
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No.16197
>>16188
Let in any Kunta Kintes into your chruch?
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No.16198
I came here in humility and open arms after my own doubt of my faith, hoping to find some kind of path. In this process all you have done is show your own misanthropy and arrogance. You exchanged my olive branch for a whip. I guess theres a reason your gods are dead.
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No.16199
>>16198
Go shill for Rapeugees.
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No.16200
>>16199
Whatever fucks your goat, jack.
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No.16201
>be white
>be Celtic even
>feel like it's not enough to be in a religion of subservience to Jews
>feel like delving even deeper into Artificially Induced Heeb Heritage
>become a Jew, (but it's a Jesus Jew)
Wew anon.
I'm only mostly serious. don't let the others read this, but I understand. I was raised Christian and I was the most sincere Christian I knew. It's not your fault for earnestly wanting to get closer to the roots of Christianity, I had that mindset around 13-14 where I thought Jews were just the best and they were closer to god and all that. This was without paying any attention to, or actually knowing anything of actual Jews. What a horrendous disappointment that turned out to be.
I know you're sort of soul seeking right now and you don't understand yet but in Asatru is where you will find your true soul unless you actually are a kike. You can mock and say our gods are dead but they are only dead where the spirit of a Germanic-Celt such as yourself is dead, because we descend from our gods anon. You awaken your soul, remember who you are, what do you know, your noble ancestors never died. They've moved beyond this realm, but they gave to you your life. They survived, and worked, and fought, gave of themselves and sacrificed for millennia upon millennia to bring you into this world. Don't take that for granted.
Jesus is said to have given his blood for you, sacrificed and died that you may live? Jesus didn't do that, your ancestors did.
Jesus is said to live not physically on this earth, but within your heart?
Within your heart is your blood, which is made up of the blood of all who came before you. The blood that was spilled with each wound your fathers recieved fighting for love of his people. The blood that was spilled with each birth your mothers labored in for love of her people.
In your blood is your soul.
The soul of your people. Our people, anon.
The Christ eventually appealed to the white Europeans because they saw in the best of him a reflection of themselves.
But they didn't need him to become what they already were.
That religion came along and made us less, told us we have all this time been miserable wretched sinners in need of divine forgiveness from a god who ignored us for the majority of human history. kek
Now you need to move on from this in order to become what you already are.
Your ancestors and your descendants are depending on it.
Also, Celtic knots. Don't know how much of your pagan roots you're familiar with, but start looking into what they really are.
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No.16202
>>16201
I'm not Hebrew, no.
Thank you for being kinder, I hope the rest of the community is not of whomever this stone-brain was.
I apologize for the dead god remark, I lashed out in anger, its only human of me.
Your focus on ancestry is something that I quite like. Its not the kind that mutted Half black half arab weirdos that you get with Burgers, but its genuine honor and love to your family. I like that.
I guess the only thing keeping me from forsaking my religion all together is fear of the "what if I'm wrong" aspect. I think everyone wants the kind of comfort of "Im right, this is it."
Unfortunately the actions of some of your peers are quite offputting, but I know they likely don't represent the entire community.
I think I'll research Druidism, in regards to my celtic roots. My concern with this aspect is the fact that the Black Irish (once again, this has nothing to do with african people) are the result of interbreeding between Nords and the Irishry. I don't know which path to take from there, Norse or Celt.
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No.16203
>>16202
Even the romans paid homage to native gods of the germanics and their own. It's just not as much of a problem to recognize other pantheons if you're a polytheist.
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No.16204
>>16203
That reminds me of how wicca works, just with ancestor worship. "Theres already a shit ton of gods, just pick one."
I like that. Is there a specific conversion progress? My interest is more than piqued.
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No.16205
>>16204
It's not really good practice to worship every pantheon in existence. It just wouldn't make sense to participate in shinto when your ancestors weren't in any form Japanese. I said to include both because your background is from both lines, however this doesn't necessarily mean you shouldn't pay respects to the spirits of the native land you're in, but keep your native gods closest to you always.
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No.16206
>>16202
We have varying tales and histories of our own particular nations, but at the root, all people of what has been called Aryan heritage, be it Celt, German, Roman, ancient Greek, even Slav descend from the same original ancestors.
This is why you shouldn't worry about "choosing" between honoring one side or another of your heritage in your lifestyle- study Druids and Asatru, observe their most crucial traditions- it is all based in the same principles.
The gods of our individual nations, though varying on this point or that point, have their counterparts in the gods of their brothers two nations removed.
They represent the same elements of life and lessons to be learned, archetypes in our blood which are by modern standards "fictional", but modernity has no nuance or understanding of soul as we do at our core. The gods are amalgamations of traits, deeds, accomplishments and failings of our people as a whole, that by learning about and acknowledging, we are able to remember and honor those whose thousands of names we will never know.
This is also why the allfather figure is so resonant, because he, by whichever regional name, is an archetype representing our original patriarch.
I myself am from mixed stock, Nordic/Germanic and Celtic, and familiarity with all branches of your bloodline reveals more about why you are who you are, your character traits, your strengths and weaknesses, these are all more recognizable in one tribe than another, just as for example individual Irish families, though they be sons of the same nation, can easily be characterized one family to the other as more this than that, more quiet and thoughtful, or more brash and prone to spill their mug.
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No.16207
>>16205
Thats not what I meant, but yeah I agree. I'll give this all some thought
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No.16208
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>>16202
>I guess the only thing keeping me from forsaking my religion all together is fear of the "what if I'm wrong" aspect.
Also a former Christian here. I still go to church on occasion with my family and sometimes still receive communion. It's not really a big deal for me because I don't believe in God but I understand why you'd feel on the fence about it. I guess the traditional aspects of Christianity is the only thing that keeps me coming back to it. And family. I say don't be afraid to explore new horizons. The more you know about alternatives the better and more confident you'll feel about making a true choice.
As far as heathenry goes I can't say I've found the true path in that respect either. I don't practice Asatru or any of the reconstructed/new religions seriously but I do find that even researching past and present traditions has enriched my soul. In fact the thing I like doing most is learning about all things Indo-European rather than a specific ethnic tradition. Although I have a lot of respect for my ancestors I like to take a broad and fundamental view of European spiritually as possible, because I know I'll never be able to reconstruct their faith in totality and some aspects are just not appropriate for the modern world. Check out the Survive the Jive channel on YouTube. It's good for both Germanic tradition and more broadly Indo-European stuff.
I think the time has come for me to take a real first step and do something like video related, making a shrine, doing prayer rituals and offerings. I'm pretty excited about it. And as for next steps I think I'm just going to again take a broad view and do those things that are common to all Indo-Europeans like honouring my ancestors and perhaps honouring seasonal feast days. Anyway, good luck in your journey wherever it leads!
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No.16209
>>16208
It's unfortunate that being so religiously fringe means that it's hard for any folkish lads to get together and worship in groups. Home shrines are fine but nothing can really beat having a community. At most you'll probably find universalist faggots or wiccans and even then they're hard to find outside of weird cliques in school and online.
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No.16366
>>16205
Well, the Aesir are wherever those who share their blood are. There was a time when even the lands of modern Germany did not know the right of the Aesir.
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No.16372
I believe what I do because of dreams. The gods have chosen me, its really about as simple as that for me. Maybe I chose them as well, but I was drawn to them for a reason, and they have given me many signs in nature. The theology and worldview of the Germanics I also find to be perfect, as well as their moral code, but I would not do justice to summarize it. Read the Havamal.
>>16188
>laughing Christian girls
>Viking fridge
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No.16613
I decided that this subject wouldn't need its own thread since it's very similar to OP's issues and that of some others replying in the thread so I'm just going to ask here and hope to get an answer.
I was raised in a muslim family but have been an atheist for most of my life and have always detested the faith I was raised with. At times I had even been jealous of people raised in very religious christian families because their view on life seemed at least more peaceful and more focused on family and helping one another rather than the agressive and fear-inducing elements so common to the Arab faith.
I was content with living without following any religion for most of my life but since around 2-3 years ago I developed an interest in non-Abrahamic religions, especially Buddhism. However, this has recently turned into an interest in Paganist religions out of a desire to, just like all of you, continue the spiritual traditions of my ancestors which have gone extinct due to the forced Islamic conversions of the past but have survived to a certain degree throught the use of ancient symbols, language, "superstitions" and other cultural phenomenon.
The issue is that I cannot find any detailed sources or other useful information on the subject of the pre-Islamic religion(s) of the area where my ancestors, the Berbers, lived. With the exception of specific areas such as Egypt and Syria, information about pre-Islamic spiritual traditions in the Middle-East are generally scarce but this specific subject seems especially obscure.
Do you think I should give up or does anyone possibly know a website or piece of literature on the subject which I could use to find possible answers? I know that your Asatru faith is generally focused on ancestor worship and that this is something I could also practice regardless of knowing the specific spiritual traditions of my ancestors but I feel like this is also an important piece of identity I am missing and that perhaps, due to the fact that I rejected the Islamic indoctrination which has made many others suffer I was somewhat fated to find more about this subject so I might be able to someday share it with others who are looking for similar answers.
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No.16615
>>16613
>>Berber
Are you sure of your ancestry? Did your ancestors keep it clean no matter what? You do know the Vandal Kingdom made up most of what the homeland of the Berbers is now? Genseric may have stated formally he was an Arian Christianity but he still participated in the older ways and there was a lot of house cleaning in Rome's records such as in his sack of Rome being remembered by unofficial sources as very tumultuous but the Catholic Church remembers it as Pope Leo talking the King down on a matter of Christian faith to spare the city, this was primarily done to later convince Burgundy barbarians and others not to attack Rome and go westward instead, which they did, settling in what is now France.
Sadly though a key tenant in Islam is anti-racism which is a codeword for white women mix with non-whites and white men get killed for being kafirs, so if you made it this far it would have been because of the usefulness of your bloodline to the old powers. If you are some sort of mulatto arab semite who figured it all out, now to late, then I am sorry but you are my enemy because the same wants to be done to my people and they'll only know once its to late. There isn't much of anything except a book I know of on the Berber people from the 1800s but you'll primarily only find stuff about Mohammadians in it and anywhere else.
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No.16619
>>16613
I really do hope you find what you're looking for. Abrahamic religions really are shit-tier so having quit that, you've already made it half-way. I don't much about Berber history and culture though so I can only wish you best of luck.
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No.16623
>>16619
>Abrahamic religions really are shit-tier
Yes, most disillusioned ex-muslims convert to christianity but I was sent to a christian school as a chid and probably know more about the bible than the quran at this point so I know enough of it that I wouldn't want anything to do with it.
They are both unhealthy religions to follow but for completely different reasons. While islam is an overly agressive cult that demands total obedience from its followers with strict punishment if this is not reached, christianity seems like a religion of weakness to me and revolves around worshipping a bunch of jews whose first followers spread their faith as violently as the Arab conquerors did.
A lot of christians I have met seemed to behave a bit like cult members rather rather than being genuinely happy and healthy. I have also met a lot of them who didn't really care about the religion whatsoever and just saw church as a way to meet friends and family, which is a good thing on one hand but on the other hand, they didn't really give much thought to spirituality and often shoved aside texts in their own holy scriptures due to personal disagreements with it. For example, a lot of them were supportive of things like gay marriage while completely ignoring that the bible says homosexual relationships are sinful.
Sadly, because most traces of the native religions of the middle-eastern people have been completely destroyed, disillusioned muslims often have no other options than to convert to just another Abrahamic religion, if they can get away with it without getting killed by some angry mob that is.
The only pre-Abrahamic middle-eastern religions I know of that are still alive to a certain degree are Zoroastrianism and the religion of the Kalash people, a tribe in Afghanistan whose religion has roots in Hinduism. The latter group is the only paganist/polytheist group left in the entirety of middle-east, they are a very interesting group to read on and are likely descendants of Alexander the Great which is why probably why many of them have European facial features such as blue eyes and blonde hair.
But of course, those religions are the heritage of those people alone and I have no connection to them whatsoever other than some cultural similarities.
>I can only wish you best of luck
Thanks a lot. I will hopefully find the answers I'm looking for someday.
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No.16631
>>16623
I'll give you one piece of advice, research the history and culture of your people and their ancient way of life as much as you can, because in a way, that IS their religion.
Back in the day, religion wasn't a top-down sort of thing that was dictated to you by people in power, it was a bottom-up thing that had its roots in the way your people lived, it was a way of life that you just had to follow or die because it was a matter of survival if you didn't, because if you didn't follow the advice of your religion then something bad would possibly happen to you. Eg: If your religion is superstitious about scorpions and tells you that they are very evil creatures that must be avoided at all costs, then as the ordinary uneducated person in 1st century, you'd best follow the advice of your religion rather than question it and try to grab one and get killed.
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No.16693
>>16615
>There isn't much of anything except a book I know of on the Berber people from the 1800s but you'll primarily only find stuff about Mohammadians in it and anywhere else.
Was it written by a westerner or muslim? If the first then I'd appreciate it if you could give me the title.
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No.16695
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No.16698
I've developed a personal spirituality and am glad to have rid myself from the Jews. ~OP
As for the Berber fellow, I do believe you would have Roots among the Carthaginian folk.
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No.16700
>>16698
Weren't Carthaginians a Semitic people? There currency was called a shekel afterall. I always thought Berber's were the leftovers of Vandalia.
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No.16701
>>16700
Racially no, religiously… Kinda? They worshipped gods that the Jew knew existed, but YHWH very openly hated.
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No.16703
>>16700
>I always thought Berber's were the leftovers of Vandalia
A lot of Berbers do have Vandal admixture, in the northern part of Morocco and Tunisia there are a lot of people with European features such as blond hair, light-brown hair, blue eyes etc. Blonde hair is even more common in the northern part of Morocco than it is in the southern regions of Spain.
Still, that is not to say that Berbers did not exist before the Vandals settled in North Africa, instead the Vandals blend into Berber society and adopted their culture over time. There are a lot of theories that regardless of the Vandal/Roman interbreeding the Berbers were already "white" since they mostly descended from Iberian farmers that settled in the region during prehistoric times and that it was the Arab/muslim conquest that led the populations to become more mongrelised and semitic racially.
The Guanches, a Berber group that inhabited the Canarian islands were said to be no different in appearance from Europeans by the Spanish who colonised the islands and some remains of their bodies even indicate that some were as tall as Nordic men and had blonde hair.
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No.16721
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic_neopaganism
Not sure if OP is aware of this but there are efforts among jews both in Israel and the US to return to the pre-Monotheistic religious traditions of the Hebrew/jewish people.
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No.16724
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No.16725
>>16724
Who knows, they may tone down the kikery just a bit if they stop following a book that says they can do whatever they want with non-jews.
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No.16726
>>16725
>maybe they will stop being kikes if they stop being monotheist kikes
no
they are and always have been kikes. how many gods they worship will not change this. Pagan gods are a reflection of the archetypes idealized and appraised by the people who worship them. Mars was praised as the progenitor of Rome because he encapsulated all that the Romans idealized; honor, discipline, law, war and proudful strength. The Germans praised Odin as All-Father because he was the prime example of what it means to be German; an endless thirst for knowledge, the willingness to sacrifice everything, the determination to win against the enemy and the unleashing of the furious energy within.
Jews gave praises to a god that demanded little baby cocks to form a "covenant" to him. Before that, the Jews gave praises to a god that demanded little babies be sacrificed to him.
Nothing has changed. Religion does not determinate the characteristics of a race, rather the other way around.
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No.16729
>>16725
Ehh, I don't think their kikery has anything to do with their crazy religion, it's not like it's only devout Judaists who act kikey but atheist/converted Jews don't, and it's not like the Jews we are dealing with are racially the same ones as those who live in Israel.
Their kikery is based on some other factors besides their religion, I think it's their unusually high IQ coupled with an outcast/gypsy mentality in whatever country they're in that's causing them to act the way they do. Any ethnic minority in a foreign country naturally hates the majority and bands together to form ethnic communities, Jews are the same, but what makes them so dangerous is that they are much smarter than niggers or spics who will at worst cause problems at the street-level.
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No.16751
>>16721
That's great for them and all, but I'm not a blooded Jew.
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No.16756
>>16751
You said you were a Messianic Jew, I understand now that was just a joke of sorts but most followers of Messianic Judaism are just kikes who happened to believe Jesus is the messiah, possibly as a theological justification for the state of Israel which jews are technically not allowed to inhabit according their scriptures until their messiah would arrive.
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No.16760
>>16756
Yeah, it was sorta meant to mean I was indoctrinated into the weird jew-worship that Christendom had become.
I'm thankful to have gotten rid of it.
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