No.10259 [Last50 Posts]
Hello /asatru/.
Let me just start by saying that I am fairly new here and don't know much about your beliefs. That is not why I am here though. I don't doubt that many of you can make good arguments as to why we Europeans should return to our native religions.
We want to preserve our race - It makes sense to worship the gods of our blood.
The logic is sound and reasonable. But what I want to know is how and why so many people are returning to worshipping the old pantheons in the first place. Obviously, there must be something with what we have currently that makes people reject it. That is christianity. That is what I want to know. How have christianity weakened Europeans? What damage have it done to us as a race, both physically and spiritually? What parts of its teachings and theology goes against our interests?
In short. I want to learn why and what Christianity have done to us. I would make this thread on /pol/, but every time anyone question some of christianity's teachings, the /christians/ sperg and shit up the thread so much that you cannot have a discussion there. It does not help that the mods are on their side either. /pol/ is a Weeb-Christian circlejerk at this point.
Also are there any books out there that goes into this topic?
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No.10266
I've actually suggested in the questions thread that we start working on a cohesive counter-argument against Christianity.
They've dominated the scene for so long that it's taken for granted that much of our beliefs (ancestor worship, polytheism, spirits of the land, etc.) are just tossed aside as nonsense.
We really do need almost like a sort of FAQ or handbook on common Christian arguments against us and refutations.
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No.10268
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No.10271
The irony is that to best critique the church you'd need to know the churches history and theology while most people who know those two very indepth topics are already deep into the cult of yahweh. As part of working on collecting a bundle of files on roman religion and society I'm scooping up a good deal of the early debates between CDR (cultus deorum romanus: "roman paganism") thinkers and the early christians so that will be a good jumping off point to expand into collecting books on the matter. I also have /christian/s own recommended reading list pretty well compiled, though there are a few conspicuously missing titles.
Everything seems to get back to a need for more scholasticism but I'm only co-librarian and the two of us can only work so fast while still being good heathens and getting our workout, community outreach and so on in.
Anyway, for what I already know the biggest blow is obviously "you are one under christ" taglines. Christians will argue this is simply referring to a fuzzy theological notion of the soul in the body being of roughly equal value to christ, or that no soul is better (aka to deflate jewish chosen notions). But the problem is, this is the first level of marxist thought pure and simple. In all other faiths no souls are equal to anybody. The Heracles' of the world heard from the gods every month and eventually went to live with them, same with the Beowulf's of ours. The common people never generally had Odin plop down in front of them and give them directives because they never led lives worthy of attention. On every single level our belief hierarchical and one of rising up to mattering of falling onto the slag-heap of history.
The church, conversely has aped some hierarchy through the likes of St Thomas Aquinas and the early Pontiffs not wanting to cede their positions… But the fact is it is still at least 1/3rd bolshevism: Equality of soul/essence, if not biology, if not socially. It's like the slide of liberalism: you can't pick just one or you'll set into motion a chain reaction that eventually unleashes the rest.
This is the concept of a "foundational principle", if the very first notion you make from which all others derive is incorrect, then every other notion using it will be incorrect as well. Christianities foundational principles are, same as its leftist spawn, simply fanciful wishing at best and jewish social weaponry at worst.
Pretty much every element of modernity, atheism, relativism and so on can trace their roots to some element of christian foundational principle. I happen to be of the belief those things your line of thought intrinsically unleash on the world are the fault of your line of thought and if you don't want to take responsibility for them then you should change your line of thought. There are things people bring up about our beliefs as things they don't like, viking raiders, warlike nature, intolerance of the progressive vibrant blah blah blah. I do not mind any of those things in the least so I feel no need to change my foundational principle. In fact, my own internal pondering how the foundational principles of christianity are inextricably tied up in the state of the world today (given a millennia to fester) is what turned it me forever away from it. The native european elements merely served as brakes to slow the process of semitic culture-war. Christianity has become more truly christian as time has worn on. Those who claim "Oh well St Thomas Aquinas and co. mean christianity is actually aryan and white" actually make an argument against christianity, frankly… Why would I listen to a confused religion in the first place when I can just pop open Aristotle? If you're 80% european + 20% semite, why not just drop the 20% semite? Just become pontiffs of jupiter once more instead of the vicars of christ. Even that 20% semitism in the church has clearly completely destroyed it so even 1% is clearly too much.
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No.10277
Y'know OP… This isn't really how you do it. You can't just slap your dick in the middle of things and make simplistic arguments like this. One-liners don't win theological debates.
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No.10279
I've been arguing with a lot of christians on /pol/ (yes, it's like 10v1 zerg rush holy fuck, they act just like niggers). The only arguments they bring up is
>HITLUR WUZ CKRISTIN WE WUZ FASHISTS N SHEEIT
>ODIN WAS GAY LOOOOOL!!!!! mosT paGANs AARe SJWS LOOL
>VARG IS ANTI WHITE (despite wiki and literally everyone who hates him saying he's an ebil neo-natsi)
And then the funniest retort of them all
>REPORTED AND FILTERED D&C SHILLL!!!!!!
Christcucks are absolutely retarded. They just don't know how to argue.
Another thing they bring up is
>Christianity is huwhite
This is not true. Christianity did not come from a white country, Christians worship a non-white god, and if Christianity is white, then why would their god send white people to hell for "worshipping" other gods?
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No.10281
>>10279
An interesting point is also that while the cite St Thomas Aquinas and his Aristotlean philosophy that christianity is h'wite and ary'n, Islam had similar thinkers and movements: In fact I'm uncovering a great deal of books on that matter as we speak. Not only was STA influenced by islamic thinkers, the inter-semitic dialogue they were involved in delivered similar results from both sides. He even had a direct counterpart:
>Abu Yūsuf Yaʻqūb ibn ʼIsḥāq aṣ-Ṣabbāḥ al-Kindī (Arabic: , Latin: Alkindus) (c. 801–873 AD), known as "the Philosopher of the Arabs", was a Muslim Arab philosopher, polymath, mathematician, physician and musician. Al-Kindi was the first of the Muslim peripatetic philosophers, and is unanimously hailed as the "father of Islamic or Arabic philosophy"[2][3][4] for his synthesis, adaptation and promotion of Greek and Hellenistic philosophy in the Muslim world.[5]
Would you then say that since islam was also heavily influenced by greece, it too is somehow less semitic for it? No? Precisely.
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No.10284
Posting dank memes to counteract Christcuck memes.
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No.10285
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No.10286
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No.10287
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No.10288
>>10287
And that's the last of what I have.
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No.10289
>>10284
>>10285
>>10286
>>10287
>>10288
Some of these points are high-larious but I would surely think we could do better than low-energy mspaint doodles to convey them.
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No.10290
>>10289
I think the fucked up ms pantings really show how pissed and retarded christcucks are when they argue.
Christfags are living, breathing, walking, shitty-drawn mspaint memes. I love them.
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No.10291
>>10290
Art is kind of our thing though, brosef. It was only the far late era when they had swords to the throat of the whole roman society that they managed to coerce out art that wasn't trash. We need artists and such to really make some high-energy OC.
Dammit Jim, I'm a scholar-librarian, not a painter!
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No.10292
>>10291
It would take too much time. It would also look like you are trying to hard.
posting more may mays
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No.10293
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No.10294
>>10292
Well yeah, that's the point. You try hard and make something that looks good. You're never going to convert 8chan oy veyus gevult types, this is for the normies. In the case of those three images that would only be used here that's great, but it wouldn't hurt to make some propaganda-tier goodies for regular folks.
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No.10295
>>10294
Are there any good drawfags on /asatru/? Or can we get drawfags from /atheism/ to help us out?
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No.10296
>>10295
>Are there any good drawfags on /asatru/?
Good question.
>Or can we get drawfags from /atheism/ to help us out?
We're a much more active board than /atheism/ and we don't like each other so I doubt it. Fedoras don't even have mspaint OC, so I doubt they even have any. I sculpt and woodcarve but that doesn't help much on the interwebs.
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No.10297
>>10296
>and we don't like each other so I doubt it.
Wait what? Shit I thought pagans and fedoras would get along. We agree on a lot of stuff.
>I sculpt and woodcarve
Post your work nigga.
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No.10310
>>10295
As far as drawfags go, we're probably better off looking into establishing some of our own, or outsourcing to a board wholly comprised of them, if there are any such boards on 8chan. Asking Fedoras to help us probably wouldn't get us very far, if what >>10296 says about their lack of MS Paint OC is anything to go off of.
Also, I second the notion of >>10297, show us your work.
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No.10312
>>10297
>Post your work nigga.
Going to have to third this.
Especially the woodcarving, thinking of getting into that myself.
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No.10319
>>10297
>We agree on a lot of stuff.
Not particularly, when you get down to brass tacks. What DO we agree on, for that matter? >>7616
>>10297
>>10310
>>10312
I haven't made in anything in quite some time, my old stuff is at my parents home. I can certainly give pointers about carpentry and woodworking though as it used to be my trade. For making plaques a carpenters square and a carpenters pencil are your best friend. Or sharpening small flathead screwdrivers makes for a good tiny-scale chisel for a third of the price (if you wanted to make a mjolnir for instance you'd need really small chisels and blades).
I might make time to make a lettered (runed) plaque or something since there is interest. Wood is fairly cheap and I brought my tools with me.
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No.10320
>>10319
>>10310 here. Would be interested in seeing the plaque, though I'm now curious how one would make a Mjolnir. In the event that something happens to the one I've got now, I think knowing how to make my own would be better than prowling Amazon for a replacement.
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No.10321
>>10320
>I'm now curious how one would make a Mjolnir. In the event that something happens to the one I've got now, I think knowing how to make my own would be better than prowling Amazon for a replacement.
Start with a block of wood, good, now cut off all the parts that don't look like a mjolnir. Want to make a plaque? Start with a plank of wood, good, now cut off the parts that don't look like the words and designs you want.
No really though. I thought this was people being smartasses but it's really true. Unlike a painter/drawer or a clay-sculptor you work with negative space on a fixed medium, instead of positive space on malleable medium. The artist will sketch a skeleton then add muscle, skin and clothes to it, you have to visualise the skeleton, muscles, skin and clothes, and take away from the block what the final form looks like. In some ways it's harder and more complex than drawing.
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No.10322
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No.10323
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No.10324
>>10322
>>10323
>Still lurking/posting on cuckchan
Take that time to read a book from the /asatru/ library or something instead of throwing it right out of the window like that. Almost everybody in that cuckshed is a lost cause, the few who aren't will claw their way out and make their way here on there own eventually.
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No.10325
These damn people make me sick.
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No.10326
>>10324
I'm hoping these can be used in an image against these traitors.
I'm going to attack them on that /pol/ and this /pol/ I'm at war with them.
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No.10327
>>10324
Right now I am reading Asatru: A Native European Spirituality by Stephen A. McNallen
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No.10329
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>>10279
I know how you feel. I made this image a while back. What do you think?
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No.10330
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No.10331
Just a small request. Does anyone here have Day of the Bog image
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No.10332
>We aren't from our European ancestors.
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No.10333
>>10332
This is so fucking retarded.
I am Norwegian. Not muh heritage Norwegian. I live in Norway. My forebears have lived here since the ice age. And they tell me that I am the offspring of some middle eastern just a few thousand years ago? Come on, how retarded can a person be.
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No.10334
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No.10335
>>10334
What is the foundation for civilization is race. If what they said is true, that Christianity is what is most essential for civilization to exist. Then why did countless Civilizations, white civilizations, arise and prosper before christianity even existed. Fact is that our race have built countless developed cultures and civilizations without the semite religion of Christianity.
Many of these civilizations are not thought of as being white today, but evidence show that they were.
The Germanic north wasn't the niggerland that christians imply. For example they were excellent shipbuilders, sea navigators, traders. Many of the institutions of the Norwegian middle ages actually came from the Viking era. In fact the Viking era was in fact an age of outburst or age of pioneers, laying the foundations for a new civilization. The same way the tribal pioneers of Rome spread out centuries earlier. And they did this without Christianity.
If it truly is Christianity, then why isn't the Christian nations of Africa and South America mighty industrial powerhouses. Why aren't these nations the heart of civilization, Since they are the most christian these days? Because it never was Christianity! The great achievements you see around you created by western man, were just that. Civilization was and is the product of our race, not a simple faith.
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No.10339
>>10334
I am somewhat tired today. Had several errors in the first post. One thing I have noted is that the Christians don't even bother to answer and break down bigger posts like mine. They simply skip them like they aren't there.
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No.10345
>>10326
>>10334
>I'm hoping these can be used in an image against these traitors.
Why? Winning 4chan is like being the retard king of cuck mountain.
In fact, why even bother here? I'm pretty damn sure the "christians" on /pol/ that are willing to argue with you are mostly shills. Your efforts are MUCH better spent in building yourself up and engaging in pro-heathen activities. Mudflinging with spiritual infants and shills is not going to really do anything to convince the undecideds, being a visible and practical alternative will. Hell, getting a gf and making the next generation of einherjar and valkyrja whilst these guys still post in their nofap and "how can I not be bitter and YHWH for now giving me a gf yet?" threads well into their 40s would be a hell of a step up over them.
Besides, you would need to build up yourself and your knowledge of the faith to really go blow for blow with the few who can argue above "le doos bult". But again, it's not really productive as christianity is doing a bang-up job of killing its own self. Plus, christianity thrives on persecution and so you have to handle it a very specific way to rob them of the low ground. Even on an abstract level we need to remove kebab and matza first so there's an entire family of reasons why if you're arguing here on the chans you're doing it wrong. If you absolutely have to proselytise then refine your technique and take it to zuckerbook or SJWblr.
Basically, it's time to stop. Take a page from the NSDAP: You only waste energy fighting your enemies when they stop you from building up yourself, as soon as they aren't stopping you then you go right back to redpilling normies and making yourself stronger and more learned and so on.
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No.10348
>>10345
Arguging over your position with the enemy allows you to strenghten it by seeing what works and what doesn't. Where your line of thinking is wrong and could be said better. I don't fear them and they need to be confronted, especially on /pol/
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No.10354
I would like to add that when I'm in an argument with Christcucks on /pol/, I don't expect the person I'm arguing against is going to concede. They are going to stick to what they believe and not waver from it during the argument.
The audience is the people outside of the conversation. The people outside of the conversation is who is being targeted. Hopefully someone will see the debate and say, Yes, this anon makes more sense than the christcuck." It is like watching the presidential debates, we watch it to see who has the better argument and makes more sense and proves their position.
Christianity being a foreign Semitic faith is easy to prove because that is what it is and every Church states that it's roots and creators are Jewish.
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No.10357
>>10354
I'm glad you're aware of the principle of arguing for the crowd, but that is what makes me nervous… The arguments I've sees on /pol/ the last few threads are pretty low tier and I doubt anybody is paying attention or being swayed. Which is why I would stress a period of reading and learning as a better use of time. Similarities between St Thomas Aquinas and Al-Khindi, Liberation Theology, Slave Morality, "Wow, look at all these untrue scotsmans, I guess YOUR 20 person internet-denomination is going to save the world unlike the cucked billion, eh?" all these and more you'll need to have in your arsenal, "kike on le stick" is undank low energy argumentation right on level with "LARPagan" as an entire argument.
When you play to the audience you have to be a calm and collected expert arguing with an angry child and make the fact plainly visible. Also, you need to make sure you have an actual audience, because otherwise you're like a trump spending hours a day arguing with hipsters on tumblr, you're using each others time hour for hour but their time is worth way less than yours.
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No.10385
>>10332
HAHA i was in that thread when he posted that. That was funny as fuck.
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No.10388
I've pretty much given up on arguing against /pol/ christards, but I do think we should have some compendium of common counter-arguments and so on, preferably with sources. They make a lot of revisionist historical claims (i.e. that Rome converted willingly, that all pagans were uncivilized, that Greeks weren't pagan (seriously, someone said this in a /pol/ thread), that literally all records of paganism are unreliable and so we can't know what their beliefs were, etc.)
It's all laughably easy to counter if you're well-read in history and actual pagan mythology/rituals.
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No.10390
>>10388
My next addition to the library will in fact deal with such things. I'm keenly interested to answer things like:
>The methods christianity spread by
>The demographics christianity spread to
>the promises christianity made
>the method of warfare employed by christians against traditional faith
>what criticisms contemporary thinkers leveled against the church
and so on. I had to build a library on rome to give context to what is upcoming, but what is upcoming is the information I was ultimately most interested in. If you go blow for blow with christian thought it always eventually comes back to rome, either the faults of rome (even if the topic was germanic faith, because they know nothing of germanic thought), the spread within rome and so on. All argumentative roads lead back to Rome when dealing with a christian.
They say it was a peaceful spread. They say it bought rome another thousand years. They say it was the only preserving force of knowledge. Well, we shall see. We're going to get to the bottom of, once and for all, what is true and what is false. If somehow, some way, they aren't lying… fine, they're actually a148.8% greco-roman redpilled cult that has nothing to do with <these good jews as opposed to those other bad jews> and we'll fight the desert people together. If it is as I suspect that they ARE lying then I fully intend to nail them to their own history and skewer them with the truth. Either Saint Longinus the native who saw that christ was a vital element of roman society, Or simply Longinus, the roman who ended the life of a jewish madman once and for all. A moniker carefully selected in either case…
DEATH TO LIES
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No.10411
We might get raided, one-liner posted with pic linking to asatru
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No.10445
>>10390
We know that there was a "dual faith period"; I think that offering Christ as an additional god alongside the existing ones, at least at first, was a clever move to get in. We might stand to gain from telling people that they can be Asatru as well as something else - not necessarily another religion, but whatever else they might identify with. Obviously we have to be careful of what we say is compatible with Asatru, but I think the Christians would have failed if they told people "Christianity must be your whole life and identity", and we'll fail if we do the same.
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No.10451
>>10445
I think this is a horrible idea. People come to Asatru to get away from the foreign Semitic faith. It's a foreign religion for a Hebrew soul. Christians sure didn't allow "Pagans" comfort throughout the West's history and I'm not going to allow them any comfort in my company. Our problems today exist because of this egalitarian, Universal, anti-Asatru myth that destroyed the warrior faith and culture of our people and have turned them into a spiritually lost and weak people.
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No.10452
>>10451
Being cold and hostile will not bring in more europeans. We must outjew the jew.
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No.10453
>>10452
>Being cold and hostile will not bring in more europeans.
I don't care about being nice, nice is getting Europe over ran by foreign people and nice is getting us no where but a chapter in a future textbook on the once great European civilizations that went extinct. Christianity has clout with European man and you don't out jew the jew by being a jew. You out jew the jew by being who we are, unforgiving warrior people who don't care what they think is right and wrong. Our way for our people on our lands.
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No.10454
>>10453
We can't win with 10000 people, half of whom are larpers and another quarter are universalist faggots.
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No.10455
>>10454
You don't get people by being the same as your opposite. You get people by being different and true.
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No.10456
>>10455
We must appeal to christfags, in one way or another.
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No.10457
>>10456
By not being Christfags…
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No.10458
>>10457
Did I say we should be christfags? No, I said we shouldn't be hostile towards people who are just starting to realize their roots.
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No.10459
>>10458
>Did I say we should be christfags? No, I said we shouldn't be hostile towards people who are just starting to realize their roots.
Of course we should be hostile to people who are interested in their ethnic faith but that isn't what you said, this is what you said.
>>10445
> I think that offering Christ as an additional god alongside the existing ones
Christ is a Semitic Hebrew God, he isn't a European God. It makes no sense to have Christ "alongside the existing ones."
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No.10460
>>10459
>Of course we should be hostile to people
SHOULD NOT BE HOSTILE
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No.10461
>>10460
ahahahah, it's fine. I didn't read what you were replying to, my apologies. I don't think christ should be offered alongside the existing gods, but I think we should be more welcoming to christfags.
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No.10462
>>10461
>I don't think christ should be offered alongside the existing gods,
:-) okay, thank you.
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No.10470
>>10259
The best takedown of Christianity was written by Nietzsche. It's sprinkled throughout all his works but its most concentrated in "The Anti-Christ". Regardless of what you think of the man and his thoughts on Nationalism he lays bare the ressentiment that exists at the core of Christianity.
Of course, when Nietzsche praises Paganism he's talking about the Greeks and Romans. I'm not sure what the thought of the Norse religion, if he even did at all.
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No.10478
>>10470
Actually, if you're far-right some of the best takedowns of christianity were written by paul, tertullian, and any number of other early church fathers who make who and what they were explicitly clear. This is how I know our local christians are LARPers who haven't actually read their own beliefs but rather follow a kind of malleable cultural form of the faith that they conflate with any number of things.
>"Christianity is greek and white and redpilled because St Thomas Aquinas absorbed platonic ideas and it is for that reason we're not semitic but greek, white and redpilled. Something something GREEK AND/OR WHITE AND/OR REDPILLED.
>"He had been at Athens, and had in his interviews (with its philosophers) become acquainted with that human wisdom which pretends to know the truth, while it only corrupts it, and is itself divided into its own manifold heresies, by the variety of its mutually repugnant sects. What indeed has Athens to do with Jerusalem? What concord is there between the Academy and the Church? What between heretics and Christians? Our instruction comes from "the porch of Solomon," who had himself taught that "the Lord should be sought in simplicity of heart". Away with all attempts to produce a mottled Christianity of Stoic, Platonic, and dialectic composition! We want no curious disputation after possessing Christ Jesus, no inquisition after enjoying the gospel! With our faith, we desire no further belief. For this is our palmary faith, that there is nothing which we ought to believe besides." - Tertullian (Roman by birth, hebrew LARPer extraordinaire by choice) in De praescriptione haereticorum
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No.10488
>>10259
>I want to learn why and what Christianity have done to us
look no further than Nietzsche. Friedrich Nietzsche was absolutely right about Christianity, and especially its Jewish origin.
Short track: read the Genealogy of Morals and then the Will to Power.
Ignore Walter Kaufmann's translations. Kaufmann is a pernicious, whitewashing Jew termite. His translations are serviceable but ignore his commentary/notes.
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No.10491
>>10488
>10488
>1488
Exgellend.
Also, I would recommend that when done with Nietzsche's works proper one reads Abir Taha's commentaries as a polishing course in the pro-aryan-pantheist/pan-aryan interpretation she draws (aryan-pantheist, not pantheist, the pan-element being exclusive to IE-religion). It's a collection of conclusions you will probably draw yourself but she articulates and cites it very well such that when arguing nietzsche her works make excellent ideological bibliographies to correctly cite his works and present your points.
In general I love her writing. She's one of those rare women who in spite of being profoundly average looking is absolutely beautiful, like Cleopatra, for understanding politics, race, the ugly necessities of what needs to be done in the world and mythology/religion as it is instead of repeating how some man told it to her. I would be lying if I said I wasn't attracted to her.
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No.10497
>>10451
>>10459
I think I miscommunicated a little. I'm not saying that we should have Christ in our pantheon, I'm saying that the Christians made a clever move in allowing such a practice as a way of getting a foot in the door. I agree that Semitic elements can pls go, but I mean that we can't expect to do well if we get together a whole package and tell people to accept it all right off the bat. Christianity got its way in by first telling people "nah you can still have those dudes", or at least "oh those dudes are just saints lol don't worry". We need to examine what little people have of spiritual and cultural value to them and consider what has to go, and what we can afford to let them keep, because to tell them that they can keep none of it will doom us to failure. The Christians had people add Christ alongside Thor, we might want to have people put Asatru along [whateverthefuck guiding principle they have] (now, in a society so lacking in guiding principles, we may not actually need to employ this tactic, but let's assume for now that we will).
Examples might be "sure, you're to adopt a pan-Germanic faith but you can still be a patriotic Englishman/Swede/whateverthefuck", "you can still be an American and worship the goddess of muhfreedoms alongside the other gods", "you can still be a vegan with a man-bun who only ever cycles places", "you can still get together on St Whoever day and do that thing your country does because we know it means a lot to your nation", etc.
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No.10600
Thank you for this thread!
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No.10605
Well, here's my, more theological, two pence.
Christian (and further on Jewish and Muslim) genesis and depiction of god just bugs me.
In Abrahamic religions you have a God that always was, is and will be; a being that knows all and can do all.
Yet he made this world with all its imperfections. The usual argument is
>He wants to try us!
But why would an all knowing being need to do this? Especially one which is also said to love every human?
Now for the Asatru take on this:
In the Saga about Ymir and the creation of the world we learn that the world is and the gods followed. Niflheim and Muspellheim always were, fire and ice, and from them springs Ymir and Audhumbla and thus all creation, including the gods. The gods themselves are not immortal and we know that they WILL die. Odin may try as hard as he wishes, he can not outrun his destiny.
This makes the german (and in extension most pagan) gods way more approachable imo. I'm not conversing with some all knowing entity, I talk to the world around me, the people and memories in it. I don't ask for answers, I ask for advice, which I may take or let be, as I see fit. The gods don't have a plan for me, for they don't know all, they could not give less of a rats ass tbh, but they still will answer if I ask. They are the combined memory of those who came before and the world I live in
Also the differences in viewing death:
In abrahamic religions you are promised a place in paradise, if only you repent and see the error of your ways.
In Asatru there is Valhalla, where only the ones go who died fighting for those they cherish and Hel, where everyone else goes.
Personally, I don't believe in Valhalla nor Hel as real places, but rather as what awaits us after death in respect to how people will remember us.
A warrior who died fighting defending his kin will probably be remembered way down the line (Ancestor worship was a big thing), while someone who died of illness in their bed will seldomly be remembered.
Valhalla means that you achieved something big in your life; in Germanic times this mostly meant death in battle, nowadays it includes anything that will land you in the memory of your family and kin or even bigger groups of people. This remembrance (in the good) is what one should strive for.
The greeks expanded on this even further with Tartaros, where the most vile people were sent. It is the exact opposite of Valhalla or Elysion, thus meaning that people who did good in their life would go to elysion while evil ones went to tartaros.
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No.10619
Just posting some Christcuckery
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No.10620
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No.10621
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No.10622
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No.10623
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No.10625
Brevity is the soul of wit.
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No.10626
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No.10673
Has anyone come here from an Orthodox Christian background? I mean someone that truly understands Orthodox Theology.
It's a tough transition when the orthodox have such a rich tradition. You want to follow a path that is proven and has a beaten trail. Think of all of monks that have been given gifts, etc. There is sooo much material and literature if you want to take orthodoxy seriously and work on theosis, etc.
Comparatively, moving to asatru does feel a bit like stepping out of the light and into the dark. Because it's so new and we've lost so much. And the new asatru material seems to mainly come from wicca/satanist losers.
Looking for feedback here.
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No.10676
Wish I could make some dank memes for yall but I suck.
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No.10690
>>10623
>tfw i made that second image and someone posts it here
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No.10695
If you want critique of Christcuckery. Look no further than Thomas Paine.
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No.10696
>>10673
bumping for ex-orthodox people
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No.10705
>>10695
>Misogyny and Homophobia
Who invited the (((The Alt-Right)))?
Let me guess… Homosexuality is an implicit last stand in white identity, eh? Intolerance of gays is inherently jewish, eh?
>>>/bog/
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No.10710
>>10695
This is amazing. I'm realizing more and more that our founding fathers were exemplary modern pagans.
Any recommended reading regarding this?
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No.10716
>>10710
The US is in foundational principles absolutely steeped in liberalism. It has also, at every opportunity ever presented to it chosen to thunder across the seas and fight for said liberalism and cram it down its blood-kins throats like all the other brainwashed proto-marxist crusaders. Exemplary modern pagans? Maybe the faggiest boyfuckingest Hellenism, maybe. But no folk-way I'm kin to…
"American Identity" has made its bed and has chosen to kill its brothers and then kill itself. "The Great American Experiment" is over, in failure… If vinland somehow rises again, rather than going the way of south africa and rhodesia, it will be as something new entirely other than the stars and bars, liberalism, the fourth of july, the minutemen, baptists and the (((freemasons))). That america willingly died and I'm going to expend zero effort to revive it.
What little chance there to salvage this unique branch of european culture in the light of its own death lies in the grey and gold. The last americans to fight for aristocracy and hierarchy against egalitarianism and equality… and that is an extremely slim chance given the state of the south. But for what options the US has here in its twilight, it's as good as any other.
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No.10717
>>10716
Fair enough.
>If vinland somehow rises again
Is there some kind of movement there?
>What little chance there to salvage this unique branch of european culture in the light of its own death lies in the grey and gold.
What is the grey and gold?
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No.10718
>>10717
>Is there some kind of movement there?
Not particularly. Most everybody left who isn't part of the cancer finishing off the nation is turbo-proud to be zogbot "murrcans" which is itself one of the major signs that the american experiment is over in failure. The options are (((marxism))) and (((patriotic neo-conservatism))).
>What is the grey and gold?
Nah look heeh at this damnded jankee cahetbaggah! I do declayuh…
That said the south is still mostly meth-heads, unwed teen parents and meth-head unwed teen parents… So like I said it's a longshot, but as good as any shot the US has left. At 60% white at median age and dropping the options are running out quickly. No colonial nation has ever made it back from 49%
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No.10719
>>10718
Living in Atlanta, I can tell you that this place is… less than ideal.
Having said that, every southern state at least has a couple of metropolitan slum cities. So I'm not sure how any revival could happen without the inclusion of a major city.
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No.10783
>>10718
What is that festival in your pic anon?
I see a German flag kinda on the right side, with what looks like "folk" something.
>German heritage celebration
>honoring Confed ancestors
ples let me go. Sounds like a nice place to harvest a wifu.
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No.10787
>>10719
>Living in Atlanta, I can tell you that this place is… less than ideal.
The entire south is… less than ideal, a literally degenerate society. However, I'm of the mind the entire country is a failed experiment, I just outlined southern culture was the most established vector out of the (((egalitarianism and liberal enlightenment))) that the rest of the nation was absolutely founded on. The southern states were also the loyalist states during the revolution fighting against this asinine experiment from onset.
>Having said that, every southern state at least has a couple of metropolitan slum cities. So I'm not sure how any revival could happen without the inclusion of a major city.
As munich was to the NSDAP, yeah, you'd need a major population center and I'm doubtful there is a suitable one. I'll re-reiterate, I suggested it as a slim-chance hail-mary for salvaging a country I feel was built on sand and has collapsed at every chance instead of shoring up its immoral foundation. I'm not saying I even think this would work, merely I see it as the only real chance. An invented "new american society" that leaves out all of the old would be fake as fuck and garner little but a few roleplayers, the confederate meme is at least partially suitable and attracts a certain kind of person who already rejects what the nation has become.
I'm not optimistic for the USA period, but there is a very narrow and perilous road out so it's not 100.0000% hopeless, yet.
>>10783
That is a picture from santa barbara d'oeste, an exclave in brazil formed instead of suffering reconstruction (No really, look it up. Many confederates quite literally took their ball and went home to brazil, slaves and all). On the other hand, it's still brazil and there's still likely going to be racemixing because, fuck, it's brazil.
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No.10803
>>10787
damn I had my hopes up :(
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No.10814
>>10803
Don't let your dreams be dreams on account of my preconceived notions, anon, a vacation to huehueland is surely cheap enough. Check it out for yourself. But if you research the area people still end up being named "Joao Paulillo" so one has to wonder how truly confederate and/or white they still are.
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No.10894
>>10605
I cast Resurrection on this thread.
It seems to me that an omnipotent and omniscient deity would not be a person at all. It would not have anything resembling personhood, personality, or will (other than the will of a force of nature, static and blind).
Imagine if you asked it a question. It would simply refer to its unlimited knowledge and give you the appropriate answer. It would be like talking to a chat bot, a Chinese room. It would have no emotions or desires or feelings, because it already knows all and can do all, and an emotion would indicate a change in state (which it cannot do, ironically).
Then you get into the hairy world of whether or not Yahweh can kill himself, or if he can create a god that is even stronger than he is, or if he can create a rock so huge not even he can move it, and so on. Things that are always dismissed as silly, but are nevertheless left unanswered.
I would love to talk to a Christian about this stuff, but they're just too goddamn dishonest. To them, their immortal soul is at risk if they actually listen to what you have to say, so they will never actually listen. Even the smart ones. It's extremely frustrating, because the closer you get to truth, the more you start to argue with their amygdala.
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No.11082
>>10705
The last line of text isn't Paine though.
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No.11095
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No.11303
How do you folks feel about these writings on the subject:
- All Christians Are Cucks:
http://archive.is/X8Tqk
- Cucktianity: What Is A Covenant:
http://archive.is/Fdsxo
- Cuck Identity:
http://archive.is/qQPMf
- Cuck Identity #2:
http://archive.is/ICpaJ
- Indoctrination:
http://archive.is/RgZOY
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No.11306
>>11303
The Indoctrination article is pretty good. Cuck Identity is good too, though obviously very opinion oriented.
The "Cucktianity: What is a Covenant" article is pretty bad. The theology is way misunderstood and very elementary.
"All Christians Are Cucks" felt super ill-informed as well.
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No.11309
>>11306
Would you know of any good substitutes for those subpar articles?
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No.11313
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No.11354
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No.11358
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No.11362
Christianity actually has the same concept of blood and communion with the divine as the pagans. They just say that there was one final sacrifice and through the re-presentation of this sacrifice (the eucharist) we can all commune with the divine.
Christians don't go to church to tell God how good he is, but to commune with him because it makes us whole. We were created to be with God, so partaking in the eucharist puts us in our most natural state.
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No.11364
>>10271
>But the fact is it is still at least 1/3rd bolshevism
The bolsheviks were jews, right?
Jews don't believe in equality. They believe that they are superior.
Did the bolsheviks just want to destroy the people currently in power instead of making people equal? Or maybe they just see all goyim as equally garbage…
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No.11365
>>10605
>Yet he made this world with all its imperfections. The usual argument is
>>He wants to try us!
>But why would an all knowing being need to do this? Especially one which is also said to love every human?
Ever since I was a kid, I wondered why God even made us. He must have just been bored and wanted to watch us in a terrarium style world.
Either that or (maybe more likely), we were a natural offspring of God and there is only God and nothing else. Seems a bit too weird, but I think this is more in line with hinduism.
>This makes the german (and in extension most pagan) gods way more approachable imo. I'm not conversing with some all knowing entity
Jesus is said to be all-powerful, etc, but he's meant to be approachable because he was fully man. He lived on the earth as a man and this is why God (the trinity) is approachable. He knows our struggle.
>Personally, I don't believe in Valhalla nor Hel as real places, but rather as what awaits us after death in respect to how people will remember us.
A common near death experience is people being drawn into a bright light. Almost being absorbed by it. I think this could be in-line with Christianity and a number of other religions.
>>10894
>It seems to me that an omnipotent and omniscient deity would not be a person at all. It would not have anything resembling personhood, personality, or will (other than the will of a force of nature, static and blind).
But Jesus was a man, Anon. He became incarnate.
>Imagine if you asked it a question.
In the most orthodox circles, God is still very much a mystery. God is love, god sustains all in this world. We can only know God through what he has revealed to us (Jesus, etc.)
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No.11367
>>10354
>Christianity being a foreign Semitic faith is easy to prove because that is what it is and every Church states that it's roots and creators are Jewish.
There needs to be a separation from Hebrews / Ancient Jews and Modern Jews / Talmudism.
The roots of Christianity are indeed Abraham, etc. But this was a very different culture than modern day Jews. There really is no such thing as "Judeo-Christianity" and most Modern Jews will tell you this as well.
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No.11370
>>11365
>Jesus is said to be all-powerful, etc, but he's meant to be approachable because he was fully man
This is another bit of Christian rhetoric that doesn't really mean anything. Why does it matter if he was "born a man?" especially if he also simultaneously sat up in heaven like he always did before and after If a being knows everything, he would know what it's like to be human. If he could do anything, he could be exactly like a human without all the rigmarole of being "born" as one. It's just nonsense.
>>11367
>There needs to be a separation from Hebrews / Ancient Jews and Modern Jews / Talmudism.
This may may needs to die. The scheming kikes that the Romans, Greeks, Babylonians, and Egyptians had to deal with were not different at all from today. If anything, they were just more mud and less European.
Even in the bible, the Jews act like Jews all throughout it. Clannish, superior, contemptible of all others. Even Pharaoh in Exodus plans to run the Jews out because if he "went to war with a foreign kingdom, the Jews might side with them against me" or something like that. Hmmmm… I wonder why he would say that….
They've always been this way, I'm sorry to say. And you read their holy book and worship one of their sons. It's sickening, tbh fam
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No.11375
>>11370
>Why does it matter if he was "born a man?"
It matters because it means that God wants to have a relationship with us and that he understands us.
> superior, contemptible of all others. Even Pharaoh in Exodus plans to run the Jews out because if he "went to war with a foreign kingdom, the Jews might side with them against me" or something like that. Hmmmm… I wonder why he would say that….
Okay, I'll concede that. But the bible doesn't try to hide the fact that they were contemptible either. A lot of the point of the old testament is that the Jews are shitty the whole time and God still stays with them. That was sort of the point I think.
Then Jesus comes along and fulfills the point of Judaism all along and makes himself the final sacrifice.
Yet the Jews continued to be shitty even after Jesus.
One thing that gets me though is why would God forget the Jews even today if he didn't in the old testament? Why would them not believing in Jesus be the final straw?
It stands to reason that the Jews would still be saved I think.
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No.11387
>>11375
If Yahweh were omnipotent, he would already know and understand. He would learn nothing from being born a man, because he can't by definition learn anything.
>A lot of the point of the old testament is that the Jews are shitty the whole time
Yahweh punishes the Jews only when they are not Jewy enough. Don't have any illusions. Whenever the Jews get punished in the OT, it's because they didn't keep kosher or treated goyim as humans. That's when they get rekt, go look it up.
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No.11567
>>10271
This might be useless when discussing it with a /pol/ bro who pretty much loathes - The Church - and studies the NT to spite the politically correct. He's quite proficient. Last time I met him he wanted to study Orthodox Christianity, go to Russia and meet someone from "Asa".
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No.11568
>>10292
>Varg
He's one of the (((them))).
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No.11570
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No.12777
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No.12782
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No.12783
Hi, Christian here. I've been skimming the thread because I like seeing how you guys think. I think you're best bet to sway the peanut gallery is to hit the memes hard, but you need drawfag tier shit else people are going to ignore it the re-pastas.
Moreover, I think you're going to run into a problem trying to attack all Christianity at once; I would probably focus on divide and conquer when you find yourself in an argument with one of us.
First, figure out which flavor they are and tailor your plan of attack there.
Second, counter-attack the offending anon while making it seem like you're okay with the rest of us, but <insert denomination here> is just too cucked for you to let it slide.
Third, appear reasonable to other obvious denoms' objections while trying to focus on the weak points of whatever flavor you're attacking.
Fourth, claim victory while you watch all the other denominations pile onto the one they think they gained a rare non-Christian ally in the attack over.
Attacking us as one is just going to be business as usual and, since we're so diverse, your arguments lose their edge. A great example is attacking us as one over being pacifist; RC bros love to defend this angle using Teutonic Knights. Focusing on cucked immigration policies is good, but then you fly into Orthobro land where remove kebab is sanctioned.
In short, divide and conquer.
pls no bully orthobros
Oh, and please don't start gay d&c threads on /pol/. You only end up encouraging /christian/ autists to do the same and it shits the place up for everyone.
>>12777 (nice trips, checked)
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No.12849
> But what I want to know is how and why so many people are returning to worshipping the old pantheons in the first place.
Well, day to day religious affairs for the ancients did not focus on the gods outside of warrior god cults. I would argue modern heathenry's preoccupation with deity is an Abrahamic taint. The gods of the Gemranic world view were distant beings, not frequently invested in mankind or individuals meaningfully. Aside from great rulers and warriors, mankind is something of a passing thought to the gods who have their own tribal affairs to tend to, and Yggdrassil itself to order. Unlike Jehova/Allah, who is a personal god deeply invested in his people and handing down invasive moral edicts, the gods of our ancestors had little in the way of moralizing to do and were not likely to notice you. Indeed, it was often better that they didn't. You factor into their machinations much the same way ants do to yours when you're digging up the yard to install a patio.
> Obviously, there must be something with what we have currently that makes people reject it. That is christianity.
I believe the easiest answer to this question is to be understood that monotheism in general, and Abrahamic monotheism in particular, does not put forth an animist world view and is focused on moral edicts. Christianity teaches a philosophy of intense division. You and your soul are sort of haphazardly glued together, your body to be discarded for a new one after Jesus's judgement. The world of heaven is very distinct from the cosm, separate entirely. Even the act of worshipping jesus theologically anoints you as a being apart from the world. "Wordly" pursuits are essentially considered uncouth at best, spiritually detrimental more frequently. This is, in short, a deeply sick way to behave yourself.
You ARE of this world, of this body. No amount of judeochristian/muslim brainwashing can change that. It's why Abrahamic monotheism is so worried about things like sex; the instincts cannot be reasoned away and sex is a very powerful link back to that animist interconnectedness that their theology has worked so hard to destroy. The realm of the spirit and the realm we inhabit are not two different places but intertwined cosms. The landvaettir are your neighbors, for better or worse and your house wight and ancestral spirits are with you, even in your blood!
It all comes down to something deeply rooted in our most primitive reasoning faculties, an instinct that even inquisions, crusades, tent revivals and forced self-hatred could not suppress. As a testament to that I offeryou our own utterly shattered heathen culture. What we are trying to rebirth here is haphazardly sewn together from mere shreds hanging off the bone of a once robust faith. The Christians were very successful at doing to our people what they later did to the native Americans. And yet here we are, long past being conquered, our culture truly erased, and STILL it bubbles to the surface.
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No.12850
>>12849
Continued
What the Norns have carved, and how we influence wyrd, does not go away just because it is inconvenient to some bronze aged desert nomads' profoundly anti-humanist worldview.
I know I'm in a minority on this board, but race doesn't factor into this much for me. In fact I believe it of deepest importance that we set racial divides aside if we are to be successful in truly rebirthing our ancestral ways. We are going to need the help of other shamanistic cultures; the native Americans and the Shintoists, the Samis, and the Sangomas. Animists the world over, from every age, have a tremendous amount in common. I don't claim to know if we all follow the same gods, it stands to reason that, shamanistic animist religions being far more concerned with localized spirits than actual deity, that we all commune with these spirits within a more ethnically enclosed framework by simple virtue of where and when we happened to be born.
But we are all tapped into the same underlying current. Wyrd by any other term is still Wyrd. That "common fabric" from which all things are sewn, that which gives some measure of animate nature even to things we moderns see as entirely inanimate, supersedes even the Norns and the Gods. Perhaps even Ginnungagap itself!
If we are to get out of the Abrahamic modality and back into our animist birth right, we're going to have to let go of the concept of "personal gods", to let go of god cults as a primary religious institution. We're going to have to dig deep into our shamanic roots. Considering virtually none of the actual practices remains that are untainted by Sturluson's faith, we're going to need the world tribe's help to get back to our specific European roots.
Frith is, after all, the major ethical construct of heathenry. It's not moral-absolutist edicts handed down from infallible ultimate authorities, rather a highly contextual web of interactions with those we belong to and who belong to us. And it exists on many layers from our family and tribe int he central most holy position, all the way out to all mankind. If we've lost sight of that, then Heathenry truly is dead! Only we have the power to make that true, not the Christians.
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No.12854
What do you chaps make of this transformation of Nietzsche under """thinkers""" like Foucault from a hardcore right-wing anti-egalitarian into some weird degenerate who is invoked to support all sorts of Jew-tier shit?
It's 100% clear from even a cursory reading of Nietzsche that he despised the liberalism of his day and would have despised the liberalism of today even moreso.
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No.12855
>>12783
Sounds kind of subversive and merchantish. I'd rather say my piece and let the chips fall where they may.
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No.16078
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No.16248
The standard arguments i usually run into:
1. Christianity united Europe
2. Northern Germanic pagans were shit tier barbarians
3. Greco-Roman paganism is the only example of pagans ever uniting
Got anything i can whip out to counter these in a hurry? I usually don't feel like writing an essay.
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No.16249
>>16248
>1. Christianity united Europe
4th Crusade. Thirty Years' War. Wars on non-Christian populations by Teutonic Knights. Collaborations with Muslims in Crusades. World War 2.
>2. Northern Germanic pagans were shit tier barbarians
Niggers have been Christian for how long?
>3. Greco-Roman paganism is the only example of pagans ever uniting
Tell us more on how the Thirty Years' War never happened.
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No.16252
>>16249
>Niggers have been Christian for how long?
We should start calling Africa and South America: New Christendom or simply Christendom. Because it's true.
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No.16273
>>16252
Or better yet judeo-bullprepstianistan heh
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No.16276
>>11364
>The bolsheviks were jews, right?
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>Jews don't believe in equality. They believe that they are superior.
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>Did the bolsheviks just want to destroy the people currently in power instead of making people equal? Or maybe they just see all goyim as equally garbage…
Very nice argument, but it all boils down to the fact that Bolshevism or Communism tries to make people equal, but people are all hypocrites and thus that fails.
Try seperating the ideeology from human nature.
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No.16277
>>12849
>Well, day to day religious affairs for the ancients did not focus on the gods outside of warrior god cults. I would argue modern heathenry's preoccupation with deity is an Abrahamic taint. The gods of the Gemranic world view were distant beings, not frequently invested in mankind or individuals meaningfully. Aside from great rulers and warriors, mankind is something of a passing thought to the gods who have their own tribal affairs to tend to, and Yggdrassil itself to order. Unlike Jehova/Allah, who is a personal god deeply invested in his people and handing down invasive moral edicts, the gods of our ancestors had little in the way of moralizing to do and were not likely to notice you. Indeed, it was often better that they didn't. You factor into their machinations much the same way ants do to yours when you're digging up the yard to install a patio.
That's all very nice, but why would I accept the claims beings made here?
I could say that the Gods and their servants are close to us and that the Christian God is distant, that's my experience. So basically you are just saying things and hoping we somehow come to accept them as true.
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No.16312
>>16277
Is distance always a good metric to use?
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