No.593 [Last50 Posts]
This is the official thread for the discussion of meta subjects of the board, i.e. board administration and configuration.
Please direct all such discussion here.
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No.594
I would like to point out that I have written a constitution for the board, and have uploaded it to the MEGA folder at the following location:
https://mega.co.nz/#!Ct0XkbCJ!qxIquhgGIPshBI10o3sPHNumLoYlqE93ruhiOaS4F94This probably makes us the first board with a written constitution.
I would also like to point out that our board is currently visible on index, word filter is disabled and images are not required for OP.
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No.599
I would appreciate feedback from the users in regards to what I have written and the current board situation.
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No.602
I like it. Having a defined set of rights and responsibilities for users sets us apart from the other boards, in a good way.
Keeping the board visible for the time being is wise. It does risk receiving some lower quality posts, but with the recent paucity of posts I think that risk is worth taking. If it comes to it we may need to start "advertising" on other boards by mentioning /32/ in threads relevant to psychopolitics.
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No.623
>>622
Merry Christmas board owner! I will try to post here more, this is my favorite board.
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No.629
Both
>>619 and
>>618 have been added to the MEGA folder.
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No.693
If you guys have any complaints or suggestions, this is what the thread is for. Please don't hesitate to point out something you are not pleased with.
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No.700
>>693If anything, my grievance would be with some of the pseudoscience and baseless speculation that has appeared. Maybe they come with the territory but it seems lately they've supplanted real content.
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No.702
Regarding the recent downtime, it's vital that we set up an alternate means of communications in case this board goes down again. What do you think of an IRC channel?
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No.703
First of all, thank you for taking the time to post your opinion and help me assess the situation of the board.
>>700Very few sciences are as speculative as psychology, given the philosophical nature of the theories over the human mind and the difficulty of being at the same time the observer and the observed. As for politics, the speculation is inevitable.
I agree that more scientific content would greatly behoove the community, but as it can be seen by all, threads that link to scientific articles and papers receive less replies and less attention than those that deal with opinion. An increase in interest in such content should follow an increase in general traffic.
Personally, I would also like more threads about language, such as the “Definition” discussions that have been done.
In your opinion, what can I, as board owner, do to help the community focus more on discussions around factual and scientific topics? Keep in mind I must not become excessively authoritarian.
>>702Why do you consider it "vital" to set up alternate means of communication?
Most (if not all) of the topics discussed here are not time-sensitive, as attested by the posting frequency. I fail to see the urgency or even the necessity of such measures. Of course, if you decide to make such an IRC I cannot (and would not) stop you. Part of my apprehension regarding such an endeavor is the establishment of recognizable identities. As I learned after the first month or so of the board, non-anonymous posting has little to no value, and can actually be disruptive or otherwise negatively influence the discussion. Once identities have been established on the channel, it would be inevitable that recognition would spill into the board. Even if I posted as Sniffles the users might feel compelled to agree with me, which I would dread. Perhaps if we simply set the usernames according to the order in which people logged in, and that changed at every conversation...
All in all, interesting, but I find it unnecessary at the present time.
Feel free to e-mail me about any ideas.
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No.709
>>703That makes sense. It was mostly a gripe, and I can't think of many ways in which you as an admin could influence discussion without throwing your weight around (such as posting under a name or warning/banning posters). The best course of action would be to clearly delineate the definition, rules, and goals and allow the users to create and bump threads as they see fit.
Also, I should restate: not so much an alternate means of communication as a backup in the event (however unlikely) that 8chan becomes permanently inaccessible. As a community /32/ is worthy of preservation.
Your apprehension is entirely understandable, which is why I asked for your opinion. Identities add a whole new dynamic which can be positive in some ways but negative in others. Thus a named network is not necessary; even your e-mail address could act as a fallback from which to reorganize.
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No.711
Poster IDs have been disabled.
Given the speed or the board (or the lack thereof) a poster may have a different ID for each of his posts in a same thread. This may cause confusion, which is exactly what the IDs are supposed to prevent.
I am working on an alternative and will keep you updated.
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No.713
I know this may be off-topic but why exactly do you think "non-anonymous posting has little to no value"? I'm not challenging your assessment, merely curious as to the reasoning behind it.
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No.714
Flags have been enabled so as to allow individuals to have a thread-specific identity. This is a measure to make conversation easier between more than two posters. Unlike IDs, they are optional. Simply set the flag to indicate if you are the OP or if you are one of the first 9 unique posters on the thread (I doubt there will be more for a while now). IDs are no obstacle to skilled samefags, and they may change if there is too much time between posts.
Let me know what you think.
>>713Do challenge me! What kind of board owner will I become if I only accept opinions that are like mine? If I don't question myself and allow the users to challenge my decisions? If that should ever happen, please make a /64/ and move there as soon as possible.
Board-wide identity can be very useful when discussing certain topics. For example: in a board about digital art the user might use their identity to claim authorship over an image, and the other users might recognize their progress. On a board about literature a user's tastes and expertise can be recognized and others may ask them for recommendations, or recommend books that that person might like.
On our board, there is no need or use for a permanent identity. As soon as a user is identified by others, all other posts by them might be recalled and analyzed, and the opinions of the other users about that individual will generate a bias about the information that is being presented. I know that I've said my fair share of stupid things on the chans, and most likely so have you. Thankfully, that content is long gone, with no evidence of my involvement in it. If the authorship of all of my comments were revealed and easily accessible, my views on, say, sexuality might change your perspective about my musical taste, or my political statements, or general speculation here. Anonymity allows individuals to leave behind their mistakes, or simply the people they used to be. Just think of how reasonable arguments are presented by the villains of movies and cartoons to make you biased against those ideas.
That covers why I am pro-anonymity, but not why I am anti-identity. That is because the use of an identity by one individual might encourage the use by the rest, until it becomes the norm. Furthermore, it makes personal attacks and praises possible and likely, which is highly disruptive.
>>709I've been mulling it over for a few days and I've come to agree with you about the IRC. As long as we are not capable of identifying ourselves in-board, it sounds like a very good idea.
So I am giving all of you the opportunity to create the official IRC channel for /32/. Whoever creates it will have complete control over the rules and official status. I am delegating this task as a measure against undue concentration of power in my part. This way, if I (on in case of tragedy, a new board owner) becomes too authoritarian, you can discuss the measures to be taken there, and vice-versa. Not only that, but if something happens to one of us, such as having our passwords stolen or dying, there will be an alternative. Whoever volunteers can e-mail me, as usual.<tinyboard flag alt></tinyboard>
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No.729
Post >>718 was selected for deletion on the grounds that it added nothing to the board or the discussion at hand. As pointed out by a report, it could damage the board's image by referencing drugs.
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No.767
Hello everyone from /cyber/, good to have y'all here!
On a different topic, I will be editing comments from a couple of months back when I was posting non-meta stuff with my name, so as to remove it. That might bump the thread, so just ignore it.
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No.779
>>594§ I Art.6 of the constitution states:
> Art.6 – The board’s address is 8chan.co/32/I would like to bring to attention that "8chan.co/32/" redirects to "8ch.net/32/", and move that any future revision of our constitution be amended to contain the later address in place of and/or in addition to the prior address.
§ VI Art. 1,2 discusses changes in board configuration, including word filtering. There has been some talk as to the nature of certain filters such as Fuсk->Blimp in a few threads; While I do not mind such filters as they are easily subverted it should be made clear as to their purpose. Namely, if absolute censorship of certain words is the goal, per §VI Art. 5's Politically Correct discouragement of "needless use of foul language", and specifically whether subversion of the filter is a punishable offense.
Additionally I offer these videos for consideration WRT §VI Art. 5:
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No.782
>>779>Board addressThank you for pointing that out. I will amend that soon.
>Section VI, art. 1 & 2World filter is currently disabled. It was enabled before the writing of the Constitution and when I was still getting the hang of this (although I still am; moderating this board has been a great learning experience). I see no reason to enable it again. I can also see no real purpose for these filters, but they should be mentioned. If you have a suggestion regarding the filter, let me know.
>Section IV, single article, Paragraph 5Although discouraged, the use of foul language is not an outright bannable offense, unless it comes to the point of spamming. By "discouraged" I mean that if a user makes a post that has it's meaning clouded by the amount of swearing I will ask the user politely to refrain from using such language. The comment itself will stay up as long as it has actual relevance for the discussion. If my post is not answered, nothing will happen. If my post is answered with more foul language, insults towards me and pointing out the fact that I receive no payment for doing this (which I really don't), the response will be deleted (and if the user continues, they might be banned). A single mention of "fuck" for emphasis really harms no one.
Moderation is really about being
moderate: If my grasp on the board is too tight, it will suffocate and die; if it is too loose it will fall off and crash.
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No.789
>>782Thanks for the response, seems fair to me. The video links were given in jest.
This being a psychopolitics board it might be fitting if swearing required subversion of a filter, one would really have to mean to use such language then, though such filters could cause more angst than it's worth.
IMO, it would be acceptable to innocuously replace (non-swear) words with other words from a thesaurus having the same meaning (so as not to censor or greatly modify the content), as an exercise in harmless gas-lighting.
Another wordfilter PSIOP could be to covertly correct common misspellings, eg: recieve->receive,
or to change the American/English word spelling, eg: honor->honour,
or vise versa, depending on whether one feels that u belongs in honour or u is lacking in honor.
[another very bad joke]
Just trying to come up with ways to harmlessly demonstrate psychopolitics on /32/.
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No.804
>>789I would prefer not to screw with the users, I'm sure they can do that to eachother without my help.
Correcting misspellings isn't something I would like, because posting something and realizing that you misspelled a word is an important part of improving your English (and we have non-native speakers here). Also, the rewards for my efforts would be very limited (there are a lot of different ways in which one can misspell something).
I see no point in privileging (ha) English or American spelling.
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No.805
Guys, I'm pretty sure it's PSYOPS, and not PSIOPS. At least in English.
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No.830
I remade the sticky image
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No.836
>>830Very nice.
I made some slight changes and added it to the new sticky. The old one really left a lot to be desired.
Hope you don't mind the changes.
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No.842
>>805>not PSIOPSI'm aware that PSYOP is the term the governments use publicly in declassified documents, however I'm reluctant to let them fully control my use of language, for reasons which should be obvious to readers here.
I think it folly to conflate direct neurological manipulation with indirect psychological manipulation. Psionic Operations vs Psychological Operations, respectively.
Psionic - Psi (psyche)
onic (electronic / machine);
Implying that such powers of the mind could be made to work reliably on demand.
Given the current state of the art wherein machines have granted us forms of telepathy, memory injection, mood induction, and other mind control powers upon humans and animals (quite reliably and electronically at that) I personally think that both terms are viable.
The "fringe" science of Psionics traditionally meant human control of reality and other beings through powers of their mind; However I think that "control via mind" is blurred since publicly accessible science has recently given us telepathic mice, mind reading game controllers, EM fields that can prevent speech, and machines with reliable predictive power over your decisions before you've even made them. It's time to revisit Psionics as a scientific term, as these are the very powers that this "fringe" field deals with; Note that while these public neuroscience advancements may allow operation of Psionic powers they are not necessarily PSYOPs.
To clarify:
PSYOP: mind control through indirect means, typically employing psychology.
PSIOP: mind control through direct means, primarily employing technology.
Mind altering drugs control the brain chemistry directly, there's no pill that makes you think a certain thought, thus I would classify it as psionic in nature. The science of visual attention manipulation and leveraging of subconscious pattern interpretation of objects or words is far more neuromechanical than based in theories of philosophy. However, the use of said technologies to create a desired decision would be psychological in nature (the OP would require more context).
I personally think psychological manipulation ought be reconsidered as applied psionics. PSIOPs directly control brains, PSYOPs use control to direct minds. Eg: Causing a mind fear via drug or ELF/EMF induction (PSIOP) vs controlling a subject's fear to cause a desired action / idea / etc. (PSYOP).
Since it's literally pointless to control a brain with no purpose in mind, PSIOPs typically fall under the umbrella of PSYOPs as that is whence they're utilized. Note that pointlessness doesn't prevent use: One could perform a PSIOP to cause confusion or fear for no psychological goal in particular, even if furthering a political goal: Consumption of mind altering chemicals to reduce economic supply, perhaps. Such apsychological feats are usually done for research, where the psychological outcome is less important than the measured influence upon a brain.
Let's say one can administer truth serum to cause a target to divulge a secret. That's clearly psychological warfare. What if a target willingly takes a truth serum and doesn't speak? One could say it has psychological implications, yes, but the fact of the matter is that the drug first and foremost has neurological implications regardless of the psychological effect. Hence an ambiguity arises which I think need not.
Of course, I'm frequently alone in my thinking. That doesn't deter me, just as it will not (and indeed has not) deterred you from understanding my use of PSIOP as mapping to your understanding of it as PSYOP. Even if we come to a consensus in the future that PSIOP ought be spelled PSYOP understanding thereof is completely backwards compatible. Ergo, there is no point in discontinuing the use of PSIOP even if you disagree with its usage. Indeed, both remain audibly indistinguishable. The distinction only be made in written word since context clues are frequently enough to prompt proper meaning and thus spelling.
Note: Both PSYOPs & PSIOPs fall under SCIOPs (Scientific Operations) as does CYOPS (Cybernetic Operations), and each of these can be deployed via SYSOPs (Systems Operations -- not to be confused with the sysops, [system operators] who do the deploying, or SISOPs [sister operations] which may borrow the tech [technology and|or techniques]).
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No.844
>>830What exactly constitutes a connection? I ask because there's some boards not on there (like /cyber/) that seem like they should be, and other boards (like /b/) that appear irrelevant to the nature of this board.
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No.852
>>844The original image was made with the intent of showing how this topic is related with nearly all other boards on some level. /k/ because of the military role of PSYOPS; /mu/ and /tv/ because they are media sources, tools for communication and coercion; /sci/ because we try to take a scientific approach to matters; /psycho/ used to be about psychology and /rev/ about revolution; /pol/ and it's children for obvious reasons; and /b/ and similar boards because they offer a platform for the study of memes and unrestricted communication.
Naturally, as our board evolved, our purpose became better defined. Not only that, but the other boards changed as well.
So,
How about you guys suggest what boards should show up on the sticky image, we decide upon which ones should be there, and if the kind anon who did the last image feels like helping out again I just edit the result and make a new Sticky.
I would agree with the idea of adding /cyber/ and removing /b/ and derivatives.
I was also considering that next time a picture with all of the board tans is drawn, that a hand is shown over /pol/'s or /cyber/'s shoulder, since that is our symbol (which, by the way, received no comment so far) and can be an inside joke that only we will understand, going over the heads of nearly everyone. Naturally I would ask permission to the board owner before such a thing, and he/she would be the one to mention it to the artist. Not quite sure why I went into that on this post.
Anyway, suggest related boards and wait for kind anon to announce if they will help us.
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No.853
>>852>our symbol (which, by the way, received no comment so far)Shh, speak not of the secret string pulling hand of the puppeteer, lest your life line be cut.
I like it. I've got a few ideas for animated banners involving my n.net visualizations and the puppeteer's hand, but haven't got around to modifying the code.
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No.861
>>852I can see the connected boards fitting roughly into two categories: boards that discuss topics related to psychopolitics, and boards that discuss topics that are heavily influenced by and intertwined with psychopolitics.
The list we have currently is pretty solid. Thank you for explaining how each board fits in. I can only think of a few additions:
Possibly add /news+/ under /pol/. /his/ is another possibility, as well as meta boards like /polmeta/ and technology boards like /tech/.
Finally, I'm pretty enamored with the board-tans idea. I'd really like to see that happen.
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No.892
>>861So we put the /32/ at the top and center, in green, and below it two columns in red:
/pol/ /tv/
/k/ /news+/
/sci/ /mu/
/cyber/ /b/
I added /cyber/ because they deal with information transmission and control and a general dystopic theme. Also, there seems to be a lot of users from there (a lot for a board our size, at least).
Is the order/position of the elements important?
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No.912
I realize that >>>859 has been the reason for some controversy. I also dislike the nature of the thread, but it does not explicitly violate any of the rules.
The users have the right to "express their ideas and opinions related to the board’s subject in an orderly manner." (§ III, Art. 2, ¶ 1), and as far as I see it, the subject is (marginally) related to the board's subject. On the other hand, the thread has been reported, the marginal nature of the subject does make it open to deletion (§ IV, ¶ 4), and finally the requirement for "a high level of discussion" (§ III, Art. 3, ¶ 3) seems to have been ignored.
As such, I have decided to auto-sage the thread, preventing it from being bumped and moving it down as other threads are made/bumped themselves.
Any arguments for/against this decision should be posted here, not on the thread.
On another note, I choose to quote the Constitution because it provides us with consistent guidelines for our actions, and there has not been any protest against its implementation (which I took for acceptance).
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No.946
>Book Club
The Book Club was a good idea and we all liked it. We will discuss the texts "The Changing Face of War - Into the Fourth Generation" & "Fourth Generation Warfare and the Moral Imperative".
Whoever wants to start the discussion can start a thread on Saturday (21st) after 22h00 GMT. I'll delete the current thread then.
It was already suggested that next week's text will be "Propaganda" by Bernays.
>E-mail
You may have noticed that my e-mail has changed. If you wish to contact me privately, please use sniffles@8chan.co
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No.1016
>>1014
What do you think of creating an association of owners of boards with low traffic?
We could use it to discuss advertising, help promote each other, give each other advice, answer each other's questions, discuss the requests of our users and board configuration. Think of it as a more personal alternative to /boards/.
While the most famous boards (especially those that used to be in half-chan) can do fine on their own, a group for mutual assistance may sometimes be necessary for us. Perhaps we can volunteer for one another sometimes.
We would restrict the members by maximum PPH, and by age (to prevent week-old boards from joining). I was initially thinking of the two of us, /poverty/ and /beauty/.
I assure you there are no nefarious ulterior motives for this, just an idea born out of the "neighbours" comparison on a thread on /boards/.
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No.1017
>>1016Oh, and feel free to delete my post.
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No.1019
>>1016>>1017I deleted my own post because I realized that you included an email in your post on the thread. But yeah I think that would be cool. I even sent you an email.
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No.1022
Census report is finished.
Sorry it took so long, I would have posted it last night but I was a bit busy.
Will post it on the Mega too.
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No.1024
>>1022This is an excellent analysis. I especially laud the speculation as to why users may hesitate to create threads, as well as the considerations for potential advertising campaigns.
One criticism: it doesn't follow that only five individuals are solely responsible for all 66 active threads. As one of those five, I've posted just two threads in the time I've been on /32/. I have a hunch that many of those threads were posted by users who have since left.
On that note, if/when you decide to take another census I would suggest including how long each user has browsed /32/ as a metric.
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No.1043
Changed the board CSS to something more unique.
The subject field is larger, the file names are smaller, the background is grey-er and some other minor alterations took place.
I was going to use #000000 for font color, but I saw #323232 and just couldn't resist.
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No.1047
>>1043Looking good Sniffles!
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No.1095
[b]Testing; is this how I into bold?[/b]
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No.1098
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No.1106
>>892They may not be so lively anymore, but /pi/, /strat/, and /is/ could also be good additions.
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No.1129
just dumping this pic here
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No.1203
Uploaded new banners, making it five in total.
Hope you like them.
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No.1218
This board is quite slow.
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No.1249
What's with the sudden increase in posts in the last 24h?
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No.1254
It would probably be uncontroversial to state that psychopolitical knowledge has both an objective, scientific and subjective, operational component.
Would it be within or beyond the scope of this board to engage in the accumulation of subjective, operational knowledge via co-operative endeavors?
The desire for a low-profile and the maintenance of the quality of discussion seems a potential obstacle. Operations have a way of leaking and attracting attention when spoken about it a public site.
And yet, if we're here, most of us aren't staff on intelligence agencies. So our learning might be stunted by not having enough field-relevant experience.
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No.1257
>>1254There is already a thread called "Field Research". It's on the first page, actually.
It's interesting to note a pattern in posting: when someone discovers this board they usually post in two or three threads on the same day or even period of few hours. That is noticeable because of the very low speed of the board.
Just by looking into the way the posts are written we can sometimes identify a poster. Right now there are at least three identifiable posters here: Sniffles, which keeps mentioning the MEGA file and always tries to be extra polite; the cyberneticist, which as the name implies always mentions cybernetics; and now this new fringe wizard which really got carried away and posted around four or five times just this afternoon. I'm sure that someone who was paying attention would be able to identify more people, but there is really no point but entertainment.
So, what brings you to our humble abode, Mr. Occultist? Where do you come from?
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No.1260
I would like to see a wordfilter that replaces terms that are picked up by automated detection, for example ecks keeskore (if you know what I mean.)
>>1257>>1254I post here and I don't seem to be one of the people you've mentioned, as I posted before the recent burst and am not the cyberneticist. I would really like to know how many regular posters there are. It seems like five or less. Which is disappointing.
>The desire for a low-profile and the maintenance of the quality of discussion seems a potential obstacle. Operations have a way of leaking and attracting attention when spoken about it a public site.imageboards are a double-edged sword. Look at gamergate, it wouldn't exist if it didn't have support of imageboards because of the anonymity and low barrier to entry to post. But as you say it exposes you. (I have nothing to do with gamergate except have been watching it as asymmetric online warfare.)
I am working on a project that bridges the gap between secret and public.Right now the basics are not even in place, but I am making smooth progress. If I don't slack off, I could have basic functionality in a few months.
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No.1261
>>1257Actually, I criticised /fringe/ the one time I mentioned it. You're right that I've been there a few times, though.
I've been on /32/ since there were only very few threads, but got interested in posting today. If it seemed like getting "carried away" then I can go elsewhere.
As for what brings me here: I've had a long interest in psychopolitics. From an early age I was constantly experimenting with what I called 'living novels' offline and online in an an attempt to script and explore the limits of human behaviour. During one of these I used an 'Occult' theme. I tumbled into the Occult during that game, because I heard a hypnotist (Lucas West) mention a book to do with it that was 'great for mind control'.
I did several large experiments, like infiltrating a new cult and breaking it apart. I also joined a major extreme cult for a few months purely out of fascination at its psychopolitical techniques. The focus was always on psychological games and similar as much or more than anything else. But I did spend a lot of time in an occult order whose main focus was in-field disruptive operations as a means of internal character development, so there was an occult aspect.
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No.1263
>>1260I tried using the wordfilter before and that didn't work so well. If the users wish to prevent automated detection of certain terms, they can always write it phonetically like you did, or use some other tactic.
You can look at the census report which may give you some information, but has glaring flaws. There are certainly more than 5 people posting. Considering that the "Active Users" number is usually above ten, and assuming that the number of people using tor is equal to the number of people posting from more than one machine (or using different proxies), I find that number adequate. Also, take into account that the Census indicates that a significant amount of people visit about once a week, and likely post even less often.
Wow, I just realized I screwed up on the graph. I put F<=7 where it was supposed to be F<=1. Thanks for telling me, guys.
>I don't seem to be one of the people you've mentionedWell, he probably didn't mean to say that those are the
only posters, just that some of us have a very distinct way of posting.
Good luck with your project, if at some point you can share things with us I'm sure we would all appreciate it.
>>1261"Carried away" can just mean "getting exited about it", but I agree it was a poor choice of words.
Pretty interesting stuff. Maybe some day you can tell us your stories in greater detail.
Good to know you've been here for a while, hope you continue to enjoy your stay.
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No.1273
To the person who made the report
Thank you for your observation, but I can't demand that people post on more than one thread.
I try to create an environment of quality discussion of a wide variety of themes, and if anons don't want to take advantage of that, that is their loss. If project CASPER does get off the ground, there is little doubt that the whole board will focus on it for a period of time, but given the long-term nature of it, those who have a short attention span or act impulsively are likely not to stay till the end. That same kind of person would not check the other threads just because they are naturally repelled by "walls of text".
Let me know if you don't find this answer satisfactory and I'll try to explain better.
As always, I am at your disposal,
Sniffles
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No.1300
In the interest of OPSEC, I autosaged the field research thread. If a person does not bother to check the catalog for this sort of thing, they aren't the kind of individual we are looking for anyway.
By the way, considering our board size and speed, "necrobumping" is not only allowed but encouraged. A thread isn't dead until it 404's.
In other news...
Made the max number of pages 25, max number of images per post is 5, max new threads per hour is 10. The action log is now public, but I'm not sure where it's displayed.
I will only hide the board from index if we ever get above the 75th position (at the time of this post we were at spot 120)
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No.1333
Just a friendly reminder to all anons that our Mega library is open to everyone, and both contributions and suggestions can be made in this thread.
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No.1375
Hey Sniffles,
I have been reading and learning from psypol page a lot and used that knowledge into my business area that has grown to successfully.
What I find troubled in 4chan board is that older topic disappear and the information discussed earlier is not available for future lurkers.
What I am suggesting is to host a forum what goal is to discuss different subjects of psypol, business, marketing, PR as they are all related to each other and together craft practical guidebooks from them to share with the community.
This way we truly can give the knowledge and power to the people to learn, use and share.
Do you have anyway to contact you privately? We could discuss this more further.
Cheers,
Shadowbroker
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No.1376
>>1375Hello Shadowbroker,
First of all, let me say that I'm very glad to hear that the information made available here has helped someone. If you don't mind me asking, what kind of work do you do? Did you show this page to any of your co-workers?
I understand your concern, but for now we are only using 6 out of 25 pages, and considering the speed of the board it will take a long time to fill them. There is also the archive, which can be visited at
http://8archive.moe/32/. This doesn't mean that I don't think about the time when our pages will be filled, or if we are raided by another board. Ideas on how to deal with this problem are welcome.
The problem with making a normal kind of internet forum is the lack of anonymity. Anonymity is very important, not only because of the kind of topic we are discussing (which calls the attention or certain groups), but also because it prevents that people become biased towards each other because of opinions and previous posts. Maybe you mean a different kind of forum.
Still, I would like to hear more about your ideas on the matter. If you would like to contact me privately you can e-mail me at sniffles@8chan.co [if the e-mail doesn't show, just put your mouse over my name and it will show you the address]. Still, I would prefer if all dialogue was made public for all of the users to see, and so any proposal or decision will likely be posted by me in this thread.
As always, I am at your disposal
Sniffles
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No.1378
>>1376Hello Sniffles,
The problem I find is that the subjects what we talk in /32/ are so powerful that all knowledge is kept in secrecy of the groups who have research and experimented on them more. When we look /32/ Mega folder, it has only few books what truly tells deeper utilization of human mind. (Who would want to publish a book and become marked as enemy of the humankind?)
When we talk each other in this type of board, the knowledge gets very spread and blurry. What we need is a system where we can have dicussions (similar to psypol posts), pratices (How-to's), systems (Understanding the logic behind it) and more formats of receving, processing and using the knowledge of a community. Also these subjects offers infinite posibilities for operations what require educated minds to come together for the best outcome.
Anonymity should be the first priority and should be promoted for everyone to protect their identity by usings different services and operating systems.
To put this simply, I am seeking ways to collect our community's massive but scattered knowledge for the use of the community.
Also, It would be preferrable to make it not closed group, but only accessible for them who know where to search, as this gives place to tell about the systems and pratices what are active in modern world and need not to be targeted by the public or specific organization.
I believe that many individual groups of lurkers and partcipators would benefit from somewhat this kind, place of knowledge. Tho, I am not expert on web and so, not sure if this is possible to create, but I would be interested to put effort on creating such.
Best wishes,
Shadowbroker
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No.1395
>>1378Do you have any suggestions on things to change on the board, or are you only thinking about creating another place/system of discussion?
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No.1535
Guys, please go easy on the shilling on /pol/.
I appreciate the effort, but there is no need to mention the board FIVE times on the same thread. People clearly are thinking that this is a /pol/ alternative, and that means that they will inevitably bring political discussion with them.
Hopefully those same people will notice the totalitarian moderation and leave.
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No.1536
Question: how was this board initially advertised? It seems like there is a small "cadre" of posters. How many of you know each other? If this is a spontaneous cadre how conflicting are our politics? With such small numbers how do you expect to carry out operations without a clear common goal when it's easier to throw accusations of paranoia and agendas around?
>>842
I wouldn't feel anything, this is a chan. I've been to /pol/ and /x/ and kept up with tinfoil conspiracies for fun, you know.
>>852
/rev/ on 8ch?
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No.1541
>>1536
>How was this board initially advertised?
selective shilling on on /pol/, ads on /boards/. Sometimes other boards have threads asking "what other boards do you browse" and there is usually one or two people from here that mention it. So far the best advertising has come from users who like the board and mention in on their own volition when a related topic comes up in other boards. I am honestly surprised at how positive the general opinion over this place has been so far.
>It seems like there is a small "cadre" of posters. How many of you know each other?
I'm not sure how you got that impression, I'm guessing from the slow speed of the board. We don't really know each other and just recently have we begun using the IRC.
>If this is a spontaneous cadre how conflicting are our politics?
That's the main difference between us and /pol/, we don't discuss the validity of political theories. I think I explain the tone of the board in an easily understandable way in >>>/32/res/1382.html#q1396.
>how do you expect to carry out operations...
We are currently focused on projects, not operations, and I predict that this will remain for a long time.
>/rev/ on 8ch?
It used to be about tactics of inciting political change, then it turned into socialist revolution, now it's something else. I'll probably just end up deleting the sticky image all together.
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No.1556
>>1541
I used the wrong words. I didn't get that impression from anywhere. I immediately thought that it would be likely that the board was started and run by a small group of friends, enough that I'd have to keep the possibility in mind.
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No.1707
I have lurked /32/ popping in every other week to every month or so. I really like the quality here. Now the quality on the major boards here is not that high. So I think if you start advertising here you will get the wrong kind of newcomers.
Maybe you could advertise somewhere offsite, where there is a high quality of discourse?
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No.1715
>>1707
This, very much this. I'm a lurker similar to this anon, and I would hate to see the quality of this board go to shit from an influx of bad posters. /polpol/ used to be a good, small board like this, and look what happened when it started getting popular. Hell, look at regular /pol/. If we're going to advertise we need to keep it on the down-low.
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No.1716
Passively advertising on /pol/ might work to a degree but it will only be a matter of time till you start habouring shitposters.
As a lurker/infrequent poster this board is the only board that I have really enjoyed browsing. Informative and respectful posts full of well thought-out insights. Once you let it go to shit, it'll be very hard getting back to normal.
If we were to promote this board on other boards, ones such as /cyber/ seem to me, a lot more appropriate. Whilst it's 'tech' orientated, it also has posters on there that 'observe the machine' if you will and would probably enjoy the content on this board.
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No.1717
>>1707
>>1715
>>1716
First of all, thank you three for your kind words. It is always good to hear that the posters and lurkers have a positive image of the board, and if you have any complaint about the board or my administration, I always encourage you to let me know, either publicly or privately.
I certainly hope the board won't see a drop in quality, but a constant stream of new users, even if slow, is necessary to make up for those that stop browsing and to ensure that we have fresh opinions and topics. I am also well aware of the risks of increasing the board's visibility, which is why I haven't posted about it on /pol/ or /bmw/ so far.
The idea of seeking communities outside of 8chan has appeared both here and in the IRC discussions, and it seems like a very good one. Groups with suitable demographics would include those that discuss sociology, business, psychology, economics, cybernetics and others likely not related to politics. Unfortunately, I am no familiar with any such groups or forums, and joining such a community with he sole purpose of advertising this board seems crude and impolite. Therefore, if any of you know of communities such as these, and are already members of friends of members, I ask that you tell them about us.
If you have any suggestions for communities to reach out to, feel free to post here.
___________________________
On other news, I am trying to figure out how to make a static page for the board, where I would post announcements and updates. This would mean that this thread would be used solely for its intended purpose, instead of being a place where I inform you of changes. It would also mean that we would likely not need more than two stickies. If any of you board owners out there know how this works, please send me an e-mail or private message.
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No.1718
It'd a good idea but I can assure you it'll be tough approaching forum communities asking pseudonym based posters to contribute to an unidentifiable/anon board. Worth a shot anyway.
Sniper inviting people would also work. It's a good opening as people like to know their literary prowess or way of thinking is being appreciated so much as to be invited somewhere else.
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No.1722
>>1718
I'm with you on the sniper/targeted inviting idea. That way, we could canvass larger communities without having to worry about attracting shitposters (or about offending moderators, for that matter).
Two things to remember for that tactic, though:
- Invitations would need to be personalized, or else they would be taken as cookie-cutter advertisements and disregarded;
- Because the most desirable posters tend to have higher standards, /32/'s best material would need to be front-and-center.
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No.1744
Recruit for an organization.
Propagandize for a movement.
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No.1745
>>1744
Advertise for a board?
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No.1774
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No.1782
>>1774
nice. only realised this was in actual use when I tried to see the image for what it was.
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No.1784
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No.1908
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No.2102
Why is the board called /32/?
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No.2103
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No.2105
>>2102
It's a mystery!
There is a reason, but only those who were here at the very beggining of the board know why (and some of them have forgotten already). If you want to guess you can send me a private message and I'll tell you if you got it right, as long as you promise not to tell anyone.
Here's a tip: it has nothing to do with freemasonry, the kabbalah or the number 23 backwards.
>>2103
The board doesn't have IDs and I dont mind the use of proxies or VPNs at the census because I know IPs aren't reliable. Thank you for reminding us, though.
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No.2151
Here's an idea: Do threads that are about current events but from a psychopolitical perspective. This board has few topics that are specific to current events.
I know it's difficult to talk about trending topics without it defaulting to emotion and the splits that are planned, but it would be neat to have some debates about things like the "migrant crisis" from a higher level. As in, not the side vs side emotion storm that is everywhere, but trying to look at it like the people that planned the crisis
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No.2199
I like the idea of this board and do come back from time to time, but there aren't that many people here and it is very slow, it could easily die like the thousands of other boards that arent the top 10-20.
I also feel like the in depth discussion of psychopolitical and things of that nature would be better suited to an actual forum and not an image board but thats just a personal opinion
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No.2303
>>2199
I considered making a forum but the circumstances at the time pulled me towards the imageboard format. The aspect of anonymity seems especially important.
If you would like to start a forum I think it would be an interesting experience that could provide very useful results. I presently do not have the time or the desire to start and manage one myself, but if you do it feel free advertise here. The forum and the board might even complement each other nicely, possibly even serving as an entrance for people into the chan culture.
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No.2401
>>2303
There are a few forum scripts that have some anonymity in mind. One in particular that I know of doesn't keep logs of IPs and doesn't require emails. I can dig it up (I grabbed it off of the Tor network) if you're interested in it.
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No.2422
Greetings, I am the BO of >>>/politics/
I wanted to know if the board owner would be willing to crosslink our boards in the announcement bar. This would advertise users to eachother's board.
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No.2427
>>2303
>possibly even serving as an entrance for people into the chan culture
Why does this matter?
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No.2466
>>714
The problem with total anonymity is that one can easily pretend to correct 'their' previous post when in reality they are changing it to fit their agenda.
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No.2482
Wow, I certainly have put off posting on this thread for a long time, haven't I? That was quite careless in my part, but I assure you I have not neglected my other duties (what little there are).
>>2422
Thank you for the opportunity, but I choose not to officially advertise any board, and the announcement board here is used exclusively for announcements. Here is a thread you might want to use to point out your board and why people should go there: https://8ch.net/32/res/1703.html
>>2427
I have a generally positive view of chans and certain aspects of the culture associated with them.
>>2466
That is a problem, and there are others associated with anonymity, but I believe that in this situation the benefits greatly outweigh the problems.
___________
On other news, I just changed the board tags "science" and "research" to "mind" and "culture". I think those are more appropriate.
I was also thinking that we could have a custom poster name instead of "Anonymous", like /k/ has "Strelok". No reason other than it would be something else to set us apart, like the custom CSS. Thoughts on this? Suggestions for the name?
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No.2513
>>2482
>Suggestions for the name?
Since the people who visit the board at first tend to think the posters are tinfoil hats and the very nature of the board, I suggest the term "Tin man".
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No.2515
>>2482
>Suggestions for the name?
As we talk about string pulling and mind control, something that represent the aversion to it would be nice
Stringphobic?
String + phobia + ic.
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No.2517
>>2482
>I have a generally positive view of chans and certain aspects of the culture associated with them.
Why is this?
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No.2518
>>2517 cont'
* and what aspects of the culture
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No.2532
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No.2539
>>2513
Good one, I like it.
>>2515
I don't think and adjective would suit us well, but I like your line (hah) of thinking.
Thank you both for the ideas. If there is any manifestation from the other users in favor of changing it I'll do it.
>>2517
>>2518
Anonymity, freedom of speech and form. It is likely that I associate the good times I have on the chans with the structures of the chans themselves, thus having a favorable view of them. Nonetheless, I think what allows me to have said good times is the way they are set up.
>>2532
Because there is no other board with a focus on these topics, and it's hard to have a slow, thought-out discussion on the more general boards.
So why not use /32/, you know?
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No.2571
>>2539
>it's hard to have a slow, thought-out discussion on the more general boards
It looks like you might like this clone and continuation of AnonTalk.
https://www.anontalk.eu/
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No.2576
The new banner depressed the shit out of me.
I am wiling to post to my hearts content to revive this one great board but my efforts would be fruitless without its original inhabitants.
Reading the stylometry of recent post it seems /pol/troons have decided to keep things 'afloat' here. Any originals still lurking?
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No.2601
>>2576
if you don't like /pol, then how could you have found /32/?
I get that you're special and clever, which Maybe explains it: you were born to be one of the 32er lads, one of the best, and now you're the last... tragic.
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No.2604
>>2601
The post on >>2576 isn't by me, if that's what you thought.
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No.2625
>>2604
No sniffles, I see you as doing what's best.
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No.2629
>>2625
I mean, this is a good board.
>>2576
The new banner ad at the bottom is weird too.
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No.2636
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No.2641
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No.2658
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No.2750
Can you increase the filesize limit for pictures? It's tiny just now.
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No.2752
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No.2776
> Sniffles hidden 2 weeks /32/ Deleted post #2763
The post was this:
> ==do ca jinvi ma la lojban ma / What are your thoughts on Lojban==
> (And on what grounds)
>
> https://mw.lojban.org/papri/Lojban
mu'ima vimcu
Why was it deleted?
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No.2778
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No.2781
>>2778
Apology accepted
> Though vague, post #2763 can be argued to fall within the "general topic of communication theory", and thus its deletion was not justified.
Part of Lojban's purpose is to "[be] an experiment in thought, ... : its users aim to see how its unique language structures affect thought and understanding.”.
Which very clearly falls under the topic of this board.
> As such, we come to a second problem. According to Section II, Article 2, Paragraph 2 of the Constitution, one fo the staff's duties is: To collect evidence and provide justification for all official actions taken by them. I have done this by screencapping every deleted post that wasn't by me since the posting of the first constitution. >I have recently had computer problems, and have lost some data, including the caps of all posts deleted in 2016. While this in itself is not a problem, I do know that I in fact DID NOT screencap post #2763, as that deletion occurred after the loss of data and I do not have such an image. I can attest that the contents of post #2763 were as mentioned by post #2776.
I suggest using https://archive.is/ or the Way back Machine and also '1-second bans' to explain the reasoning.
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No.2788
>>2781
'lojban' could be the ugliest language ever designed. If speaking in 'oo doo do ma bab do' speak is meant to 'affect thought and understanding in an interesting way', it's likely because it's degenerative and weird, and that anyone speaking it would seem in most ways like a carnival act. Why do you think it's interesting?
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No.2827
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No.3275
Test. For some reason, this board isn't letting me post on a certain thread.
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No.3296
There is no more intelligent board than /32/, Congratulations, Even through 2014 /pol/ may be intelligent and had quality discussions.
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No.3374
What happened to this board, there are a bunch of posts missing.
Also, can we do something to bring it back to life? In these times of intense psywars, we could use /32/
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No.3423
This was a good board, lots of cool esoteric stuff being discussed, i completely forget about it, then i remembered it yesterday.
Its pretty dead now.
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No.3426
>>3423
>This was a good board, lots of cool esoteric stuff being discussed
Unless you're talking before 2014, most of the threads are still on the catalogue and aren't comparatively better than recent threads; which aren't bad(?).
>Its pretty dead now.
On the other hand /pol/ is more alive than ever with all its discussion and media relevance. No wait, it died ages ago and became the hulk zombie of some necromancers.
This place might look dead, but it doesn't feel dead to me. There doesn't need to be a huge cycling of discussion to get the gist of things, but if you think there does then you can ask questions. The drying-up of discussion is more tolerable than the spoiling that could've happened.
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No.3449
>>3426
public discourse is being divided and conquered
the 'Deep State' of the West is doing this directly
8chan 4chan and 2ch are all controlled by 'Jim Watkins' post-Gamergate.
http://www.nttec.com/
http://racequeen.ph/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiroyuki_Nishimura
Some one should really do a rundown on Gamergate and why it's important. This guy on 420chan explained it to me really well and nailed it, I wish i would have payed more attention and saved his post.
Basically it became obvious that all the media were working together to cover up the truth. The play-by-play was extremely convincing and he had good references. I'll throw out a line to that guy and see if he's still around.
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No.3485
>>3449
>8chan 4chan and 2ch are all controlled by 'Jim Watkins' post-Gamergate.
Citation needed
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No.3502
I has found new home. So cool...
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No.3524
Does anyone have a copy of the 'what to do' thread currently on page 3? The thread appears to have 404'ed.
Also, whats the policy on 'necrobumping'? I have things to say on a few threads long dead. Nothing overly valuable, i guess, but this is a community right?
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No.3525
>>3524
>Does anyone have a copy of the 'what to do' thread currently on page 3? The thread appears to have 404'ed.
Yeah 8ch servers have a copy.
Fixing 404's are easy as shit to do, check the bottom of the 404 page, there are instructions.
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No.3567
hey nice to see that this place is still somewhat alive, I used to lurk here two years ago. It was my favourite board with /cyb/
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No.3571
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No.3636
>>3571
Seems kinda dead. I'd rather these slower boards stay on 8chan, really.
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No.3649
Please analyze this feeling for me, my dudes:
*I'm nostalgic about old internet forum discussions and IRC channels (including even early iterations of imageboards, even early 4chan), because the average person you interacted with back then was simply smarter than one you would today, by a very long shot. There is just something about that self-selection that completely filters all the vapid retards you have to interact with on a daily basis in real life, and it was a great substitute for the sort of "male group dynamics" that brotherhoods, academic circles and secret-societies used to provide (and still do).
*I still lurk many of the "popular" discussion forums (mainly hackernews, some stackoverflow sites, some okay subreddits, a tiny bit of 4chan+8ch), and I don't contribute to the "small smart people communities" like this one that I am ideologically biased towards, and I have no patience for it.
Have I been so overly-saturated by the easy+convenient+accessible information stream that I don't have patience for these slower boards anymore? Am I part of the problem? Should I feel bad about thhis?
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No.3736
>>3649
Seeya on reddit my dude :)
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No.3761
Wasn't this board unlisted before?
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No.3774
@mod @boardowner @anyone where is the board library? mega link seems down
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No.3775
>>3774
It seems to be working fine for me.
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No.3806
Does the one other poster here know of any online communities similar to what this one once was?
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No.3813
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No.3821
>>3775
It says "file link unavailable" for me
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No.3826
>>3636
I feel like the same.
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No.3827
Interesting board, I look forward to reading everything here
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No.3847
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No.3854
>>3847
Huh, I tried asking Ron on /v/ to bring this board back, but I thought my post didn't go through. Would've thanked him, had I known...
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No.3863
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No.3943
>>593
anyone have a mirror of the library it doesn't seem to contain everything it used to
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