/v/ - Video Games

>BUYAN

Huion big boy drawing tablet so I can pursue my drawfag needs, been trying to learn a lot from /loomis/ and this is something that I'm definitely going to have to learn later in life so might as well do it while I'm young. I bought one last year but I couldn't get it to work for my life, ended up giving it to my friend who can actually draw (kind of, he's good at drawing eldritch shit but that's literally the only thing he draws) and he's been getting use out of it.

>UPGRADAN

Might upgrade my GTX 960 not because I play newer games but because ganoo/linoox has shit drivers for it unless you use (((nvidia))) proprietary drivers. What the AMD equivalent of a 960?

>SELLAN

Returning my Soyny headphones because they're too loose and the buttons are really fidgety. I was fine with my $20 Altec Lansings until the right earpiece snapped off.

>USAN

My Ryzen build is going strong, don't see too much difference in performance from my old 4th gen i3 build but I would buy AMD over Intel-aviv any day.

>USIN

6700K with an RX 5700, 16 GB RAM, 500 GB SSD, 2 TB storage HDDs. I may sell all of my kit soon, switch to Manjaro, and run it off a Ryzen APU. The only games I enjoy anymore are 2D indie games, emulation, and most 3D games released before 2013.

>>16861288

>Returning my Soyny headphones because they're too loose and the buttons are really fidgety. I was fine with my $20 Altec Lansings until the right earpiece snapped off

Sony doesn't make a whole lot of decent headphones these days, pretty much just the

MDR-1AM2 / MDR-Z1R, maybe the Z7M2 but not unless it's half off or you really fucking like refined doofcannons.

>What the AMD equivalent of a 960?

5600 XT, but I'd suggest either going with a 580/590 since they're way cheaper or straight up going for the 5700 / XT if you can fiund one at a decent price.

>BUYIN

Nothing really, except for spare parts.

>UPGRADIN

Drives are due for an upgrade, shit's getting full. Some extra RAM may be nice but updating just because software is so shit feels like I'm getting jewed. This box is outdated, but it's strong enough for the games I'm interested in with plenty to spare. Who cares about AAAshit?

>SELLIN

Nothing.

>USIN

FX-8300 with 4GB of RAM and Radeon 3000 integrated GFX

>BUYIN

Maybe a Nintendo DS

>UPGRADIN

I really need more and bigger hard drives

>SELLIN

nothing

>USIN

Quadcore i5, nvdia 1060

>>16861374

if you need new drives external ones are usually cheaper, you can just break the enclosure since they usually just throw a regular HDD inside, of course this voids any warranty that comes with it though

>>16861385

Datacenter refurb are a better idea imo

You get enterprise / AV grade shit for less than almost anything else and a good warranty

>>16861174

>BUYIN

>UPGRADIN

>SELLIN

Nothing

>USING

x299/i7-7820x/32GB/Vega 64

Not that happy with the Vega, but there's nothing on the market that I think is a must-have upgrade either. Waiting for an RTX 2080 to drop in price or even get surprised by whatever Intel has cooking up with the Xe GPU.

I bought a Soywitch and I've had it for 4 days and I still don't even have any games. I'm going to actually buy games like a good goyim but I'm waffling because I only want to play arcade type games and almost all the ones on sale now look like liquid shit low effort indie trash. Also fuck Namco for not putting Ms. Pac-man on every collection they ever do.

>>16861459

Be sure to check and see if it’s exploitable

>>16861174

>Buyin

I've got $2k coming my way and I'm gonna buy a 2060 so I can increase VR performance and Unity development performance. Will save the rest.

>Upgradin

My RX 480. It's served me well, but as I spend more time in VR and aggy daggy, I need the extra juice.

>Sellin

I'd sell my 480, but I don't think there's really a market for a 3 year old budget card. I think I'll just keep it and make a low-spec rig for testing game performance.

>Usin

Other than the GPU, I have no complaints with my Ryzen build. Might want to get some more storage. But I've still got another 300GB to get through first.

>>16861698

>he doesn't have 32 tabs open while playing unoptimized AAA trash and ripping your parents' DVD collection

>>16861888

>14Gb

Why

>>16861920

2400G APU borrows 2GB of RAM for video functions. I don't have a standalone video card. Don't seem to need one, as good games run fine, and AAA trash is trash anyway.

Just finished buying shit over the last year and a half. When the last part arrives in a few days I'll have:

>ASUS AMD X470-Pro motherboard

>3600 CPU (highest IPC when I ordered it; the "security engine" co-processor is decryptable now, so flashing with custom firmware soon)

>Strix 980 GTX Ti (the best video card ever made with a DAC; also the most expensive part thanks to assholes)

>64 GB of RAM (2666 MHz, good latency)

>an adequate power supply

>a good case with lots of USB 3.2 ports

>same old shitty drives and peripherals

>>16862420

>the "security engine" co-processor is decryptable now, so flashing with custom firmware soon

Source? I'd very much like not being stuck with 2013 hardware.

>>16862420

>2666 MHz

You're fucked if you use a 3600 CPU. 3200MHz will do you a lot better.

>>16862481

Getting 16GB sticks to behave at higher frequency if you have 4 of them in a non T topology board is a fucking nightmare though.

>>16862443

https://github.com/PSPReverse/PSPTool

>>16862481

I read the mobo only supports higher RAM speeds through overclocking, so I went for low latency instead. I'm mostly going to be playing the few modern games that are actually good and emulating with a multisync CRT, which is why I need a DAC-equipped GPU.

>>16861288

>What the AMD equivalent of a 960

If you want a literal equivalent a r9 280 or 380, something relatively modern the rx 570/580, and for recent 5500xt but I'd highly suggest avoiding any of AMD's current gpu lineup, especially the 5700(XT), until they get their driver issues fixed vid related. The 5500xt and 5600xt aren't getting too many complaints but you never know since they're built on the same architecture.

>>16861374

Like >>16861389 suggested I'd get some refurb NAS drives. The Hitachi/Toshiba ones usually are 30-40 dollars for 3tb. They do get a bit noisy though.

>>16861454

>get surprised by whatever Intel has cooking up with the Xe GPU

I wouldn't hold your breath. Apparently the same poo in the loo that was responsible for Vega made the GPU they've been developing an absolute shit show.

>>16861908

>cougar qbx

I wish more companies would make an affordable tiny itx case instead of the typical 300 dollar boutique arthouse bullshit.

>>16862508

Even the 5700xt has an issue out of the box.

AMD recommended a really loose torque on screws for the 5700xt cards (even used that on their reference cards) that made every 9/10 cards overheat. The last one that was found to overheat was Powercolor's Red Dragon (I started calling it "Puff") card

At least Nvidia doesn't suggest loose torques on their cooling shrouds and works for almost any job. Seriously. AMD only has funky features and crypto mining going for them.

>>16862515

Ok nVidia shill.

>>16862500

>I read the mobo only supports higher RAM speeds through overclocking

It's the IMC on the CPU that does that actually, probably says that simply because the 3XXX series wasn't a thing at the time and Zen + doesn't officially support over 2666 without OC.

But regardless >>16862486 still applies, you can try some light OC for yourself but It's most likely more trouble than it's worth depending on the ICs those stick use.

>BUYIN

Waiting for Ryzen 3 and the next generation Nvidia cards. I expect we'll see both by September

>UPGRADIN

Time for my old 4770k and 980 to go

>SELLAN

Nothing. Old parts are giveaways to less fortunate friends

>USAN

Same stuff I'm upgrading

>>16862515

>AMD recommended a really loose torque on screws for the 5700xt cards

Considering their inability to make even one decent cooler design in nearly a decade I can believe that, but ASUS and Powercolor gets equal if not more shit since they actually know how to design a working cooler and should have caught this in quality control. Fucking Gigabyte had no problem making a working cooler and their last AMD GPU bricked itself because they had naked VRMs on the back of the pcb.

>>16862519

>shill

>for shit that was discovered by owners of the ASUS Strix and independently verified by others

AMD makes some good shit sometimes but they and the board partners need to learn to stop shooting themselves in the fucking head.

>>16862523

>Ryzen 3

I doubt we'll see it this year considering Corona chan's purge of the ant hive

>>16861328

Good man. If you're not already in the Rocksmith thread, go there.

I'm the OP

>>16862559

>buying anything else than sapphire when going amd

>>16862508

>I wish more companies would make an affordable tiny itx case instead of the typical 300 dollar boutique arthouse bullshit.

I wanted to go smaller, but just as you say everything that is truly small form factor is like 300 fucking dollars. The excuses are always "this is a niche product with small production runs" "this takes machine time away from products that sell in far greater volume" "we're using aluminum instead of steel so it costs more" "this split layout requires a riser cable so we include that and it costs more" and when a big company that can mass produce an ITX case at a decent price and volume actually does make one they usually don't even make it under 20 liters in volume so it's hardly even SFF.

I think another aspect of it is enthusiast faggots who are willing to pay a fuck load of money. Just like in the mechanical keyboards market you've got enthusiast tards buying a single keycap for 50 dollars so that sets a bad standard for everything.

>>16861698

Sounds great, I can't even run a game when I have discord open.

>>16862559

I wanna like AMD GPU wise since Ryzen is objectively better as a CPU and this is coming from an 9900k owner but GPU wise I can't be bothered since despite all the asshole shit Nivdia is still the only (for now unless by some miracle Intel pulls a good GPU out of their asses) GPU producer. Before I'm called a shill I go with what's actually good and what's good are AMD CPU and Nivdia GPUs, for why I own a i9 all the AMD shit was sold out here in leafstan and I got a deal for a i9.

Just got a new computer and put myself in debt. It was to replace my 5 year old laptop and even though I can barely afford to eat, I'm glad I got it now.

>>16863935

>all the AMD shit was sold out here in leafstan and I got a deal for a i9.

During Black Friday I got an i7-9700K for 300 dollars brand new. I considered getting Ryzen again, but X570 motherboards were so fucking expensive and the build was for gaming only.

>>16863935

>I go with what's actually good and what's good are AMD CPU and Nivdia GPUs

really depends on what you're aiming for, polaris works fine, and I don't hear much about the smaller navis. amd's biggest issue is properly supporting their bleeding edge hardware, after some months most shit usually works just as well as nvidia and depending what you use it for ages better.

>>16864348

>X570 motherboards were so fucking expensive and the build was for gaming only.

you don't really need an x570, heck most people don't even need an x470. it's overkill and has features most people will never use, a b450 is more than enough.

in theory you could still use a 3xx board with a bios upgrade, amd isn't intel. but it makes more sense to go with a 4xx to get full feature support, although those might have been enabled now for all boards, haven't really kept up with it.

>>16864348

>X570 motherboards were so fucking expensive

The z390 board I have was 340ish where a X570 is 550$ starting and other AMD boards were sold the fuck out well in general finding AMD shit these days is hard.

>>16864426

AMD needs to get their shit together and give competition to Nivdia because AMD went from nothing CPU wise to raping intel and then out of sheer spite released a 64 core CPU just because they could. AMD I know can get work wonders but they need to stop fucking around.

I won't be upgrading until next year at the earliest but I will be going all in with it.

>>16864495

>but I will be going all in with it.

What do you mean? Don't buy anything really expensive. Hardware ages like milk.

You buy it and the best thing available today is low end in at most 6 years.

So always buy good price/performance stuff.

>>16864348

> for 300 dollars brand new

That's not cheap. I bought a new Ryzen 7 2700X for 165€ a few weeks ago heat sink included.

It has 8 cores and 3.7 GHz and I'm talking base frequency.

Your i7-9700K has 8 cores and 3.60 GHz. I don't see how this is better. Granted I payed 70€ for a proper mainboard.

>>16864558

I mean that and the fact that the guy complaining about not cheap mobos has bought two 2080ti.

Besides honestly no one needs anything more than a X470 taichi which is like 200-250 bucks max and most can easily make do with a X470 Pro Carbon / B450 Tomahawk which are well under 200 bucks.

>>16864583

Another note on PCI-E gen4. AMD's latest GPUs are wired for PCI-E gen4 X8 instead of x16 so when you plug them into a PCI-E gen 3 slot they are at a bandwidth deficit compared to an Nvidia GPU on the same gen3 slot because the Nvidia GPU is wired for PCI-E gen3 X16 while the AMD GPU runs at PCI-E gen3 X8. So any AMD fanboy who got an X470 instead of X570 motherboard with their new AMD GPU got fucked by AMD's x8 design which is bandwidth choked on PCI-E gen3.

>>16864583

Up to 4.3GHz.

But unless you're into wasting electricity and overclocking, none of this matters.

I live in Germany and electricity here is expensive because it has to be imported if it doesn't come for a fucking windmill.

>16 core

I don't care about high end expensive shit. See >>16864555

I had Intel before and it's not better in any way to pay double for your imaginary speed boost.

Have I already mentioned that Intel changes sockets for every single CPU? Fuck you.

>When it comes to games it is abundantly obvious that frequency is what matters.

No, not really. Enough RAM to prevent HDD caching, enough GPU RAM and 3D processing, enough cores for decently multithreaded games also play a huge role. Stop shilling your Tel Aviv shit.

>>16864588

GPUs are a separate issue. I have an Nvidia but it is not unknown to me that Nvidia always pays big studios to use technologies which only run well on their cards. Removing the telemetry from their drivers is also a fucking bitch. All you kikes should be gassed.

>>16864583

>AMD given YET ANOTHER advantage with improved memory timings

Where does it say intel doesn't have the same memory optimizations?

>it is abundantly obvious that frequency is what matters

Nope.

There's many differences between XLake / Zen X that you could attribute that difference tin performance to that you'd be really fucking dishonest to claim frequency is relevant, after all if it was the FX9590 would have dominated everything.

Most likely for games the interCCX and memory to CPU latency plays a much bigger part in that difference, maybe even intel specific compiler optimization on top of that not to mention that nothing in that chart can properly use more than 6C/12T and most likely loses performance trying to use too many cores if you throw more cores at it.

>AMD has managed to brute force gaming performance by increasing L3 cache

It's not bruteforcing, it's simply them compensating for some of the shortcomings of their multimodule arch, more cache means you can fit more instructions in it meaning you don't have to fetch from RAM meaning you don't get hit by the large penalty AMD has in regards to intel in that department, just so happens that game get really fucking stupid with just how much they need.

As to why they have that issue it's actually fairly simple, intel does monolithic dies with their own really damn good ringbus system, so the RAM to CPU latency is literally fucking nothing, you can go as low as 45-35ns, monotlithic dies are nice until you need to make more than 8 cores, then it becomes prohibitively expensive as yields (aka the number of dies that perform to specs on your wafer) just plummet the more core you want on a single die

>So I wanted X570, because why upgrade your motherboard if you aren't going to get the latest features?

Only if they are relevant to me or I don't care about the extra expense, could have gotten any of the taichi boards, they're basically endgam-tier and even the X570 model you can grab for just around 300

>NVMe storage looked insane

NVMe is a complete meme unelss you actually are using that bandwifth, which I'm fairly sure you aren't if your PC is used for gaming, honestly would be more worth your time getting 128GB of RAM and caching your games to RAMdisk if you want to masturbate over how you shaved 0.1s on that loading screen

>So any AMD fanboy who got an X470 instead of X570 motherboard with their new AMD GPU got fucked by AMD's x8 design which is bandwidth choked on PCI-E gen3.

Pretty sure it has no or near no impact, outside of specific PCIe bandwidth benchmarks.

>>16864558

In Canada that's cheap and most Ryzen stuff is sold out half the time.

>>16864605

>NVMe is a complete meme

You've clearly not used it all.

>>16864639

>In Canada

Uh fug I'm thinking USD whenever I hear dollar, sorry.

>>16862508

>I wouldn't hold your breath. Apparently the same poo in the loo that was responsible for Vega made the GPU they've been developing an absolute shit show.

I don't know much about Intel's GPU ordeal but Vega was made with the right intentions and AMD did get HBM2 out of it, which is a valuable asset. Vega was meant to be a one size fits all solution to everything, like Ryzen. Except unlike Ryzen, it turned out to be pricey, hot and a big chip that just didn't excel at gaming performance where most chips are sold. On the other hand, it was really fucking fast assuming something was optimised to its non-standard nonsense, similar to Bulldozer chips, but that was AMD betting on something they shouldn't have bet on.

Since this is a hardware thread:

Should I buy Huion H1060P for 65.60€ or HUION New 1060 Plus (8192) for 42.00€ or something completely different?

Any drawfags here?

>>16864639

>You've clearly not used it all.

I have, unless you're doing professional work that needs a lot of file I/O and a lot of space it's not relevant in everyday use over a regular SATA SSD, you might grasp a few seconds here and there.

For games it's less than relevant as it's rarely file I/O that blocks loading screens, unless you're playing modern bloated shit and even then seriously doubt it's anything extremely relevant or close to SSD vs HDD.

>>16864667

VEGA was made for compute, Intel wants a card made for compute, you're not getting a game changer for vidya with intel.

Unless they manage to make good RTRT, which they might since that's compute heavy.

>where most chips are sold

Wrong, even if you don't factor in consoles it's still wrong.

>>16864671

get the WH1409, it's the best big boy tablet you can get, got mine on eBay for about $100, or you can wait for it to go on sale like I did

https://www.ebay.com/itm/14-Huion-WH1409-Graphic-Drawing-Pen-Tablet-Wireless-USB-12Key-8G-2019-US-Stock/283639826667?epid=8031090608&hash=item420a4048eb:g:svkAAOSwEP5d00bg

>>16864671

I have the old H1060. It's eminently decent and won't disappoint. Drivers were shithouse and then stopped being shithouse a year later. Anything comparable to it will do what you want most likely.

>>16864736

Too expensive for me.

>>16864737

Seems good. Can you tell me whether that 2019 version listed on German Amazon is just advertisement or whether it's actually a different model?

Stupid chinks can't write descriptions.

https://www.amazon.de/HUION-Grafiktablett-Funktionstasten-Drucksensitivit%C3%A4t-Neigungsfunktion/dp/B07RYLQPJP

>>16864741

Looks like the pro model of the 1060. I don't speak kraut, so cannot be of more assistance. Just wanted to offer an anecdote in case you were nervous. Sorry about that.

>>16864744

>Just wanted to offer an anecdote in case you were nervous. Sorry about that.

Nothing wrong with that. I found it helpful.

>>16864716

>Wrong, even if you don't factor in consoles it's still wrong.

By numbers sold, gaming laptops and computer sales are definitely at the top for gaming chips. AMD has no real position in servers with graphics chips and even less so in pro computers, save for Apple who just hates Nvidia.

So which of those H1060P models is better? Are they even different models?

https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B07YZF69XC/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A3G9JVFPHS31S7&psc=1

https://www.amazon.de/HUION-Grafiktablett-Funktionstasten-Drucksensitivit%C3%A4t-Neigungsfunktion/dp/B07RYLQPJP

Help is appreciated.

>>16864591

>electricity

Odd how often I hear that power draw matters when X brand does it, but not Y.

>I don't care about high end expensive shit

Then why even comment about it?

>imaginary speed boost

lol, benchmarks are imaginary too I guess.

>Intel changes sockets for every single CPU

Did I claim otherwise? If you're gonna veer off into that, AMD relegates new features to only the most expensive chipset, wires latest cards to PCI-E x8 and their GPU drivers are abysmal so you're getting fucked every which way. I don't get these people who think they're fighting for some underdog by buying AMD when AMD is kiked as well. Just pick what works best for your use case. I own a fucking Ryzen CPU and AMD motherboard yet if I criticize AMD at all I get this barrage of "Well, Intel did this! Nvidia did this! Fuck everyone but AMD." like you can't mention anything AMD does wrong without someone feeling personally attacked by it and this defensive/emotional attachment to AMD is all over the internet no matter where you go. It's ridiculous.

>>16864605

>Where does it say intel doesn't have the same memory optimizations?

Ryzen gets more benefit from memory than Intel. You can trust that statement or don't.

>Nope.

Yep.

>you'd be really fucking dishonest to claim frequency is relevant

You'd be really fucking dishonest to claim it is irrelevant in relation to the two processors I'm referencing in relation to gaming performance.

>maybe even intel specific compiler optimization on top of that

I wonder who already mentioned this? >>16864583

<Games, unfortunately, prefer Intel hardware and are more often compiled for running on it

>not to mention that nothing in that chart can properly use more than 6C/12T

That's the fucking point. It's a games benchmark and I'm talking strictly about gaming performance. Most games do not utilize AMD's core advantage in a meaningful way however they DO benefit from Intel's frequency advantage. Next you'll complain that the game benchmarks were at 1080p, which is more CPU bound than GPU bound thus putting the focus of the testing on CPU.

>It's not bruteforcing, it's simply them compensating for some of the shortcomings

Through force. :DDDD

>NVMe is a complete meme

I disagree. Others will disagree with that as well.

>honestly would be more worth your time getting 128GB of RAM and caching your games to RAMdisk

I've actually done this with 32GB of DDR3 RAM a long time ago. Far Cry 3 exhibited glitchy behavior because it just wasn't designed for that kind of storage speed.

>Pretty sure it has no or near no impact

It has a measurable impact. "no or near no impact" is downplaying it.

>>16864671

I haven't used a tablet to draw in the long time. I do use a pen display though. The XP-Pen 15.6 has some shortcomings (short cables, no stand) which require you to buy more shit. However, the unit has one single cable to it, it's small enough to pick up and use in the lap, the IPS display is nice and it has express keys. If you ever have a higher budget for drawing hardware, it's pretty good. Been using mine for 2 years. I had an Ugee 2150 before. It was so fucking heavy/cumbersome with multiple cables, plus it had no express keys and the pen had an internal battery that needed to be charged. It had no compatibility with Krita either. Absolute waste of money. Before that I had a Cintiq 12WX, very good input with express keys and touch strips, compatible with everything, but the TN panel screen was shit and the unit got rather hot from using old ass cathode backlighting instead of LEDs. Before that I had a massive Intuos4 tablet. It was good, but that was a decade ago. That's how long it's been since I used a tablet. /drawfag

>>16864755

>and their GPU drivers

I don't have one but they have Open Sauce Linux drivers, so they are in a better boat than I am ;)

>>16864755

>XP-Pen 15.6

>type in

>400€

Richfag

>>16864755

>Far Cry 3 exhibited glitchy behavior because it just wasn't designed for that kind of storage speed.

If you mean the textures going black on the polygons, that is DX10 and you need to set it down to DX9. Everyone has that.

>>16864752

I'd be willing to bet there's more VEGA chips in Macbooks than there ever wer eVEGA cards put out, and then there's OEM cards and APUs, gaming cards are an halo product not where the money is.

>>16864755

>Ryzen gets more benefit from memory than Intel. You can trust that statement or don't.

Your point?

If they're both using the same RAM then it's not relevant

>You'd be really fucking dishonest to claim it is irrelevant in relation to the two processors I'm referencing in relation to gaming performance.

If frequency was the main issue an FX9590 would be at the top of the benchmarks.

>Through force. :DDDD

Adding more cache is just the only logical solution to latency problems in the Zen architecture, as a matter of fact even intel does it on their own chips that use the same principle.

Now if you wanna talk bruteforcing a problem let's talk about intel pushing their CPU way past the efficiency wall to not look like complete retards.

>I disagree. Others will disagree with that as well.

You're free to waste your moeny as logn as it's not mine.

>It has a measurable impact. "no or near no impact" is downplaying it.

You can measure your loads being 1 or 2 seconds faster, but is it actually really something you're gonna feel and appreciate compared to going from over 1 minute to less than 20 seconds when you changed from an HDD to an SSD

Measurable impact is sunk cost fallacy, It's how people get scammed into spending $50k+ on audio gear because "it measures better"

>>16864754

So one is

H1060P AD-UK

And the other

H1060P LP-UK

What's the fucking difference? Which one is actually newer?

>>16863935

>despite all the asshole shit Nivdia is still the only (for now unless by some miracle Intel pulls a good GPU out of their asses) GPU producer

AMD's older stuff is fine but their newer cards are dogshit due to the busted drivers. Which is a damn shame since the software features like Chill, performance monitor, and image sharpening is really fucking good.

>>16864297

I'm impressed he named the virus considering he's a jewtuber and they're demonetizing every video mentioning it.

>replace my 5 year old laptop

should have gotten a thinkpad and installed linux on it

>>16864555

>low end in at most 6 years

>not 3 years

>>16864667

>I don't know much about Intel's GPU ordeal

>be Intel

>pitch the idea of a streaming GPU that could btfo the current hardware used by the streaming and cloud partners

>they like this and are on board

>make Arctic Sound

>get told by streaming and cloud partners that streaming is good enough anyway and they don't care about the GPU anymore

>panic.jpg

>need to find a new market for this GPU and hire Raja Kaduri for help

>Raja decides to add a bunch of shit onto Arctic Sound to make it general purpose

>Ponte Vecchio aka DG1 is born

>Show this at CES

>realize that the Pajeet has turned a niche GPU into a jack of all trades piece of shit

>gamers and the tech media shit all over it

>quietly make it developer only

>at least there's Tiger Lake

vid related

>>16864671

most people on /loomis/ recommend a large tablet if you have the space and can afford one. If you can't than a medium should be the smallest you get.

Recommendations

>Large

https://store.huion.com/products/inspiroy-wh1409-v2

>Medium

https://store.huion.com/products/inspiroy-q11k-v2

https://store.huion.com/products/inspiroy-h1161

https://store.huion.com/products/huion-hs610

https://store.huion.com/products/inspiroy-h1060p

Between the 1060p and 1060 plus get the 1060p even if you don't care about tilt because of the battery free pen you don't have to charge. Note though that if you get a Huion the new ones have their new more stable drivers while their older ones come with the old janky drivers. Also some come with wireless features and others don't seem to. The one thing I like about Huion is that they make nice cheap products and experiment a lot but they have a very cluttered and confusing product line.

>>16864754

>>16864768

the second one has tilt if you pay attention to the pictures

>>16864771

>the second one has tilt if you pay attention to the pictures

They both support tilting your pen.

If it was that easy I would have found out myself but I just can't find a fucking difference but the text "2019 updated version"

And the same on every Amazon for every language. I don't get it.

I figured it out. The difference seems to be:

10 pen nibs

Are you fucking kidding me? I sit there looking for hours because of a difference between 8 and 18 pen nibs??? FUCK YOU. REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

I ordered the H1060P with 18 nibs.

Thanks for all helpers searching differences that don't really exist!

And also for the reviews of similar tablets etc.

>>16864775

>And the same on every Amazon for every language. I don't get it.

Amazon often has reviews for shit that isn't even on the page anymore and that's confusing as hell. I had them send me the wrong item twice. It had two different product labels on the box each time. I was forced to give up and order it on eBay instead. So many people working there and such poor communication between departments makes Amazon unreliable at times.

>>16864800

see >>16864779

They sell one that costs a little more (In my case 4.40€) and has 10 nibs more.

>>16864801

For the XP-Pen 15.6 I have had for 2 years I replaced the nib twice. They get worn down to a sharp point which starts causing scratches. Luckily it has a screen protector on it which was included so only that has the scratches on it, I think, haven't peeled it off to check if there's damage under it. It came with 9 nibs total including the one in the pen so I'm down to 6 fresh nibs after 2 years. You probably don't need a lot of nibs. I haven't been all that gentle with mine.

>>16864771

>AMD's older stuff is fine

The HD 6950 I had from 2011 to 2014 was a fucking champ that card had fucking balls.

>>16864808

I already ordered it. Thanks anyway.

>>16864771

>AMD's older stuff is fine but their newer cards are dogshit due to the busted drivers.

Depends how you define new. I wouldn't get anything starting from 2019 (so Vega VII and Navi) because of how shit the drivers are, but Polaris and Vega 56/64 are fine. If you're not on a Navi card, it's best to use driver version 19.11.3 right now. I've heard that for Navi users the most recent 2020 beta drivers have sorted out most of the problems and are the most stable, but I myself will be staying on 19.11.3 for at least 2 more months on my Vega, and presumably the same applies for Polaris.

>>16864823

Vega is a pretty good workstaion card.

>>16862500

>I'm mostly going to be playing the few modern games that are actually good and emulating with a multisync CRT, which is why I need a DAC-equipped GPU.

I'm wondering about the dac, isn't it a huge potential source for latency? Especially, what about those adapter cables for digital outs you see nowadays?

>>16864909

My MB has Dac usb ports and I can't really tell much difference with my KB and mouse plugged in.

>>16864823

>I myself will be staying on 19.11.3 for at least 2 more months on my Vega, and presumably the same applies for Polaris.

if shit works there's really no need to upgrade anyway unless the new version offers a big enough boost or features.

fuck nvidia and their "new driver for every game" shit so they can replace it with their own shaders and letting devs get away with all their unoptimized optimized shit.

>>16865256

>letting devs get away with all their unoptimized optimized shit.

Nvidia is a tiny factor in why shit is so unoptimized and bloated

>>16865256

>so they can replace it with their own shaders

Often they simply tweak engine ini files the way an AMD user could just as well with similar gains if he knew what all those fucking variables mean.

Essentially they are just corrupting all benchmarks by tuning down or disabling less visible effects. It's just another marketing scheme of dirty jews.

>>16865386

Logitech G Pro is the best mouse money can buy if you can afford it. Otherwise maybe the G305 if you want to be cheap

>>16865400

Both those mice have the Mercury (Hero) sensors, and those are jittery from my experience.

>>16865256

>if shit works there's really no need to upgrade anyway unless the new version offers a big enough boost or features.

It did have a handful of new features I wanted. Problem was that it was horribly unstable. In the first version you couldn't alt-tab games because that would make them freeze. I got multiple driver and system crashes, all UE4 games refused to boot and I'm convinced I had worse frame times and input lag.

>>16865386

Logitech G Pro

Logitech G 305

Logitech 502 (anykind) wouldn't recommend for fps its a bit heavy

Logitech 900/903 also kinda heavy

Razer Viper Ultimate

Razer Basilisk its a 502 clone expect the same drawbacks

Personally I'd suggest going to rocketjumpninja and using his mouse search

https://www.rocketjumpninja.com/

>>16865693

RJN is a logitech shill. Only worthwhile for knowing what sensor a mouse uses.

>>16865700

>logitech shill

>G pro wireless is number 4 under every Razer Viper in top 30

>The next logitech mice are number 14 - 305, 21-102/203, 22-703, and 23-403

>Says the 900/903 and every variant of 502 is really only good for editing with the infinite scroll wheel and get btfo'd by most other mice due to weight.

>shill

I get Logitech is at the top when it comes to mice so they end up everywhere, and it's fun being a retarded contrarian, and he is a jewtube eceleb, but you're also a nigger.

>>16865748

Must've turned into a Razer shill then. In 2019 and 2018 he was exclusively sucking Logitech dick.

>>16865291

>Nvidia is a tiny factor in why shit is so unoptimized and bloated

nvidia is big enough to tell gamedevs to fuck off with their api-violating and outright basics not working bullshit, instead they happily "fix" it on their end with custom handling (hence all the necessary driver updates) so they can squeeze a bit more fps out for marketing benchmarks.

not saying they're the sole reason but they do enable that shit.

>>16865379

>Often they simply tweak engine ini files the way an AMD user could just as well with similar gains if he knew what all those fucking variables mean.

that's not how driver-level optimizations work tho, only nvidia has access to that. they also don't bother with amd so it falls back on the gamedev, and those are lazy, retarded or both to begin with.

>>16865822

The point of me linking that video is that regardless of whether Nvidia was or wasn't doing that shit devs would still be this retarded and inefficient. When you only get like 1-3 years to make some fuck huge open world bullshit AAA game are you going to spend time optimizing file sizes when 1tb hdds are 30-40 bucks? When you can easily get 16gb of ram are you going to fix that memory leak making your game need 8gb of ram instead of 6 or 4? Of course not because who cares. Like Luke says in the video, devs will become lazier and lazier when it comes to efficiency because hardware gets better and better which allows them to be this lazy. The fact that people were astonished with how the Fox Engine allowed MGSV to be run on toasters running at 60fps and look that good is proof they never knew what they were doing.

>>16865748

Logitech has the shittiest QA ever, easily the most DOA products I've ever had from a single brand, says a lot when the Aliexpress specials (James Donkey Delux etc) feel and usually are of better quality.

The one redeeming value they have is they're at the forefront of wireless mice that don't suck in every way.

Regardless you should not trust any eceleb recommending you razer, sure they might feel nice for a few month but you're not the shill so you can't just ask razer for a new one when it breaks every few months, not to mention the mandatory drivers that phones homes and sends back "some" of your mouse movement / keystrokes for "customer experience improvement purposes".

>>16866280

Alright point me to another website that allows me to use hand measurment and grip type to find a mouse.

I'm thinking about getting 128Gb of ram, but I'm not sure if I should.

>>16867153

Depends on what you're doing but if you really need it right now I'd go to a brick and mortar store like microcenter or buy from ebay and pay attention to the location it's delivered from. Avoid places like amazon because you have no idea where it came from.

>>16867145

I dunno, I don't find that this shit is needed at all considering most manufacturer make discount Zowie FKs anyway and if you have any sort of standards anything with soft touch coating is an automatic no so 95% of the selection out there is void.

Besides extracting information from and actively listening to someone advice are two very different thing, but if you wanna suck this guy's dick don't let anyone here stop you from doing that.

>>16867153

If you're asking the question the answer is most likely no, most people will do fine of 16GB-32GB, 64GB is already very questionable but does have a handful of uses for most people (symlinking temp folder and such), 128GB is twice that and if all you're using it for is a RAMDisk for your games that's a fucking lot of money for not much improvement.

But if you have a Threadripper / i9 (or EPYC / Xeon) and want a bunch of VMs why not, if you're already doing more professional or scientific tasks with heavy I/O requirements on small files you probably should.

Another problem is that if you're considering that on a regular desktop socket you have to go with 32GB sticks, which might work but at lower speeds and with some issues, regardless of whatever your CPU or Mobo is (although obviously a CPU with a good IMC on it and a T topology board will handle that better)

You also have to seriously consider whether you want ECC or not with that kind of setup, especially if you're gonna do anything somewhat serious on it, and that's a fairly big price bump, of course that also means you have to make sure the rest of your hardware supports that.

>>16867153

Probably not unless you knew what you were doing with it, and there's a good chance that your normal desktop chip and motherboard might not even support it, unless you were using a HEDT chip.

>>16867269

>I dunno, I don't find that this shit is needed at all considering most manufacturer make discount Zowie FKs anyway

Zowies are good mice but that's mostly because they just copy the WMO shape. For what you actually get in terms of sensor or features there's not a lot there. They also use Huanos to my recollection which is questionable. At least they don't overclock all their mice to fucking absurd DPIs in firmware like most other manufacturers do. No, faggot self-proclaimed gamer, your shitty mouse performs TERRIBLY at 16000 DPI because it wasn't DESIGNED TO WORK AT THAT DPI.

>>16867280

> No, faggot self-proclaimed gamer, your shitty mouse performs TERRIBLY at 16000 DPI because it wasn't DESIGNED TO WORK AT THAT DPI.

That and the fact that even if you could do proper 16kDpi it's still completely uncontrollable and most good player use 400-2.4kDpi

>>16867269

>I point out to the guy wanting a wireless mouse a website that has a database where you can search by hand measurement and grip type like claw, fingertip, palm grip

>results pulls up shit like size, class, weight, and dimensions you can independently verify

>im sucking his dick

Fair enough

>>16870825

What about the HORI one?

From >>16889668

Can anyone tell me what the best version of the GTX 1660 with 6gb of RAM is? ie manufacturer, features, chipset, whathaveyou I'm not looking to spend a shitload ($250ish) that's why I'm picking it as it seems to be the best value for performance on that Passmark site and is a damn sight better than my old and near dead 750ti.

Also if you happen to know of anywhere selling them cheaper than the bald megakike that'd be cool.

>>16889696

Nevermind sorted it

>>16889696

>>16889696

>sorted it (maybe)

Realised I need a DVI to VGA cable for this card to work on my godammn tv so while I wait for that I thought I'd get the drivers downloaded and unpacked.

>it auto tries to run the install

>'This driver is not compatible with this version of windows'

>Win7 64bit

I better not have just backed myself into installing Win 10.

>>16894986

I've only used AMD GPUs so my help is pretty limited. I did play around with Nvidia's official driver page for game ready drivers and the supported operating systems change when choosing the GPU generation. Can't guarantee it'll work but Windows 7 64bit is clearly listed as an OS with available drivers so they should work.

>>16894986

Install Linux.

>>16894986

I ran into that problem as even AMD's oldest drivers for the Ryzen 5 2400G APU don't play ball with Windows 7. It freaks the fuck out. I just locked Windows 10 down with Simplewall blocking all updates, MS services, telemetry, and other bullshit. I manually download stuff if absolutely necessary. It's funny when people bitch about Windows Update fucking their computer up, but it is a problem I will never know.

Ordered an RX 5500 card, a 750W PSU, and a displayport to HDMI adapter a couple days ago. They should arrive when the last surviving courier gets to my door. I'll fill a super soaker with IPA and hose everything down before touching it.

>>16895804

Hahaha no, I want to play games not tear every hair out of my epidermis in frustration that fucking nothing works.

>>16895803

Hell even on the box for the card it says it has a 'drivers for Windows 7 and 10' disc included, which it doesn't, the lying cunts. Fingers crossed it works next time or I'm shit out of a card for another week.

>>16896009

>>16895803

>>16894986

DVI adapter worked and the drivers went in without a hitch. Time to play some shitty nu-games and immediately throw 95% out.

>>16889696

Just a capper to this when I ordered the card it was at £187.99 ($232) over the course of 6 days it's crept up to £210 ($261). I dunno if this holds with other cards too but if you're looking to get a new one keep your eye on them for a day or two before buying to see if they shoot up.

>>16897711

>Samsung 860 1tb

If this is a boot drive just get 256-500gb and save the money

>WD Black 2tb

Get a used Toshiba/Hitachi 2tb NAS drive for 30 dollars instead. The only downside is the noise really.

>Nvidia GTX 1660S

You can use the savings from above and get a much nicer GPU now.

Alternatively you can get a NVMe SSD for a third faster drive to put games on. This will be really important for game performance in the coming years with the direction gaming is taking, especially the PS5.

>>16897914

>you can get a NVMe SSD for a third faster drive to put games on

Is NVMe actually more expensive now? Not for a super fast one, but just the direct NVMe equivalent of a given SATA SSD model, the prices seem identical.

Feels like a question more of a fit here than that guy's tech support thread. Is going on ebay good enough if I'm looking for a win2k-xp era PC. Mostly for playing some doujin games and visual novels from the 2000s that just don't work on modern windows, or run better on them.

>>16898550

upgrade your processor. RAM is piss cheap these days, and AMD is shaking up the graffix game enough to make the video card game too unstable to recommend one right now. get a new processor, but if you can afford to wait the next line coming from AMD, even if it sucks, will be really lowering prices all across the board

>>16898528

Buying used is ALWAYS good when it comes to computers, for old or recent hardware, and eBay is a great place as long as you use SquareTrade, especially to buy and sell smaller parts. That said, you can get a "base" system to upgrade from thrift shops (landfill "last chance" stores, Salvation Army, Goodwill, local ads in Craig's List, etc.) or of course from your family/friends/employer/school/etc. if they've got old computers kicking around.

>>16898565

>squaretrade

never heard of it until today, thanks anon, ill consider it in my search

> of course from your family/friends/employer/school/etc. if they've got old computers kicking around

I have a sad story about that. I clearly remember ripping apart my dad's 2003? Pentium 4 computer. I remember still playing minecraft on it during 2010, and I think i ripped it apart because my dad thought we could get something out of it. Shame I never kept anything except some ram.

>>16898565

I didn't know Squaretrade covered components, but I never really looked into it, either. Is buying used even with that coverage really a great idea for something as low-price as RAM? Seems like it might not be cost effective. For a component that wears badly with time like a HDD or something that could be damaged easily but less obviously by the seller like a video card or processor I guess I see why it could be nice to have.

>>16898550

Keep in mind that if you get the latest shit it will not work properly on Windows 7.

>>16898550

Also get a CPU like the other anon said and also upgrade RAM to 16GB minimum. I had only 8GB with a 970 until just recently and many games were just not playable with so little memory.

>>16898579

>I didn't know Squaretrade covered components

Squaretrade covers basically any piece of electronics, and a zillion other things. Even without SquareTrade, eBay themselves have a deliver+3-day money back guarantee that covers practically everything else.

>Is buying used even with that coverage really a great idea for something as low-price as RAM?

Absofuckinglutely. I've regularly gotten RAM 1/2 to 1/6th the cheapest new price by buying used.

>For a component that wears badly with time like a HDD or something

The only part I'd advise against buying used (eBay also sells new parts much cheaper than anywhere else) is a PSU. For drives (HDD or otherwise), if you aren't using RAID of some kind (even the simplest softRAID), you're begging for guaranteed assrape some day no matter how new or reliable your drives are.

>>16898047

>AMD

5600XT - 280-300 be aware that there might still be some on the old BIOS that could have 12% less performance than what they're supposed to. Not to mention some models with 12gbps memory aren't even compatible with the better BIOS.

5700 - 350-380ish Get if you plan on skipping the NVMe

5700XT - 400-420ish same as above

Probably needless to say but Sapphire is always a solid brand. Gigabyte is actually pretty decent this time too shockingly

>Nvidia

2060 - 300ish

2070 - 380-400ish

2070 Super - 480-500ish

I don't know your budget but unless you get a really good deal you'll end up dropping the NVMe or get a 2060 on sale. Sticking with the 1660 Super isn't a bad idea either.

>>16897845

>skip the HDD

if the one you have is doing fine and you don't need that much storage than sure you can just keep using the old one. If you mean using an SSD for bulk storage that's ill advised since SSDs are still inferior when it comes to stability after years of reads and writes. They're better for things like a boot drive or game drive not keeping files safe long term.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bZhdgJ

Here is an example parts list I put together. Note the compatibility warning for the mobo and CPU. You should get a b450 because it's much cheaper than the other chipsets, other than the 300 series, but just make sure the one you get comes with the new BIOS preinstalled. Avoid Gigabyte and Asus.

>>16898307

They're getting cheaper and the new consoles will only drive down the cost further due to demand. The high performing 500gb-1tb NVMe drives can still get to 160-200+ range though.

>>16898550

>AMD CPU+GPU

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sLnrWb

>AMD CPU + Nvidia GPU

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/L7BJRk

I left a little money in case you want something like a new monitor or something

>>16898555

>RAM is piss cheap these days

Not for long. When the new consoles start ramping up production it'll rise back up to when they were a little too expensive

>>16900275

Due to how programs install themselves and operate in the windows environment, especially with the Windows Registry, it tends to degrade overtime from registry bloat, too many startup and/or background programs, orphaned files that weren't properly uninstalled, etc. Unless you spend a lot of time on maintenance and autistically watch the registry you kind of have to do a clean reinstall or reformat every couple of years.

>Alienware

I get it's spooky to build your own PC but it's really not that hard to learn.

>1050ti

>Butterlord

It's an early access game and therefore not well optimized. I wouldn't even expect reasonable performance until a year after the full release so it's not surprising the 1050ti, which wasn't that great on launch, can't handle it.

The recommended requirements list 1060 3gb or RX 580 so I'd recommend a 5600xt or 2060 at least to get decent performance due to early access problems. You should be fine with just a 3600 X version is never worth the 50 dollars or 9600k though I'd get a 3600 since it's cheaper. 8gb RAM is listed so get 16gb and you should be fine. SSD for a boot drive wouldn't hurt either just get a standard SATA III 250-500gb one for 30-60 dollars like an MX500 don't buy the overpriced Samsung SATA SSDs because they're all the same speed due to the 550mb/s cap on SATA connections.

>>16899618

>getting cheaper

>>16900954

>SATA SSD

Here's the 500GB SATA MX500, which goes new for ~$70:

https://ssd.userbenchmark.com/SpeedTest/418385/CT500MX500SSD1

And here's its direct NVMe M.2 equivalent, which is also ~$70, but has double the performance:

https://ssd.userbenchmark.com/SpeedTest/614152/CT500P1SSD8

Granted, that's pretty slow for an NVMe SSD, but I think there hasn't been any reason to buy SATA SSDs for a while now, unless you're hurting for spare PCIe lanes.

>>16901025

>SATA III MX500 for 70 dollary doos

W E W

E

W

They used to be 60 retail and 45-50 on sale.

>I think there hasn't been any reason to buy SATA SSDs for a while now, unless you're hurting for spare PCIe lanes.

Most budget mobos only have 1 M.2 slot and I never saw the need to use one for a boot drive but if you have the slots and can find one as cheap as SATA SSDs then I don't see a reason not to go for it. Personally I'd rather put the very good latency, IOPs, and parallel performance of NVMe drives to running games since the next gen games will likely start to fully utilize them unlike now where most games are tuned for SATA SSDs at best due to optimizing for the lowest common denominator. I imagine in the next 3-5 years SATA SSDs will die out though.

>>16901683

>SSD if for nothing more than having all my vidya installed at once

>Samsung 860

Then you should get an NVMe drive instead. SATA SSDs hit a 550mb/s brick wall due to SATA connections not being designed with flash memory storage in mind. NVMe was made to address this limitation so that people can take advantage of the high R/W, IOPs, and low latency that flash memory storage can achieve. If you really want to get a SATA SSD just get a cheap one instead.

>>16901706

>SSD performance pretty much caps out at the most entry level of SATA SSDs

Correct since the bottleneck is the outdated SATA connection

>It's okay to go bareass on your SSD, or even a SSHD if all you do is videogames

That has nothing to due with SATA SSDs being "good enough" or "all you need" it's more to do with game devs not optimizing for NVMe performance since the average person even today has AT BEST a SATA SSD and AT WORST a 5400rpm HDD. I imagine the push to NVMe will be gradual but in 2 years most games will be able to utilize the full performance of NVMe drives due to how hard it's being pushed as a major selling point by the console manufacturers and devs aren't going to leave that performance on the table when the consoles come standard with one.

>SSHD

>ever

>>16901767

>NVMe will be gradual but in 2 years most games will be able to utilize the full performance of NVMe drives

It's like you don't remember the same exact line being pushed down everyone's throat with multithreading when it is for the most part bullshit

The main reason SSDs are pushed so hard this gen on console is that it's yet another point of failure and one that isn't user serviceable (see Apple), it does come with the perk of giving big number for marketing to retards though.

Not to mention that this implies anything in 2 years will be worth playing, that devs won't use the speed as a crutch instead of an actual asset or even worse create problems to use their new solutions to those problems and finally completely ignoring the insane amount of persistence legacy hardware/software has guaranteeing any big advancement takes 5+ years to start taking hold nevermind becoming the standard.

>>16901767

Again, when dealing with game files, the difference between half a gig and 4 gigabytes a second really isn't going to make a difference, unless the game isn't optimized for shit.

>>16901807

>>16901822

>the same exact line being pushed down everyone's throat with multithreading

Nigga multithreading requires completely redesigning the architecture of typical badly written vidya and pretty much any other software at the most fundamental level to take advantage of

NVMe on the other hand gives immediate bennies to practically everything, for the same reason faster platters or RAID striping has for decades. Games start faster, levels load faster, savescumming is faster, server hopping is faster, loading bazillions of mods is faster. And on top of that, virtual memory paging is way way way faster, so it's like buying more RAM for 1/40th the price.

Obviously games designed around exploiting this to push assets in and out of RAM more often will be cool, but that's hardly the only justification.

>>16901823

You can talk about how much all the speed will do forever and ever, but here's the deal, man. Game assets both aren't, nor should they be large enough for SSD level performance, because at that point, you're just going to create the same performance deadend that we ended up with when 7200RPM became the standard.

>>16901823

>Nigga multithreading requires completely redesigning the architecture of typical badly written vidya and pretty much any other software at the most fundamental level to take advantage of

Nigga if you had to write PS2 software you'd already fucking know how to do multithreading (as in you had to know or your game would be garbage on the technical level and it was a hell of a lot more complex and less forgiving than what you have now) in your game so how come it took 15 years for it to become somewhat common even if still usually poorly done.

>NVMe on the other hand gives immediate bennies to practically everything

NVMe don't translate anywhere near as well to real world performance as regular SATA SSDs did against HDDs, aka when the ad says your SSD is 2-3x faster than an HDD you can easily see it, when the ad says your NVMe SSD is 10x faster than your SATA SSD you have to pull a stopwatch to actually see the difference.

>so it's like buying more RAM for 1/40th the price.

Oh yeah using QLC with a couple hundred guaranteed write cycles as RAM seems like the best fucking idea of the century, if you want to sell more of them to replace the dead ones that is.

>>16863935

AMD's big navi lineup has the potential to be good, the current lineup is trash though, unless you wanna game at 1080p in style

>>16864348

yeah alot of people got scammed over that, the x470 boards were perfectly fine for the 3x range, except maybe the 3950x if you chose a low end x470 board, it's only a problem if you plan on upgrading your cpu and gpu next gen though, cuz of the PCI limitations.

>>16901854

I dunno, that's what I heard about the 580, and I had a pretty decent time gaming in 4k on that

>>16901857

The 3950X actually pulls less power than the 3900X and both pull less than the 9900k, a 6+1 VRM is technically enough unless it's really terrible.

>>16901829

>>16901849

>PS2

EE was its only fully general purpose CPU, all the other "cores" were some form of fixed-function ASIC or specialized SIMD coprocessor, used through something more closely resembling a GPU's 3D API, than proper multithreading. Also most PS2 devs didn't really make much good use of them beyond precanned middleware. Same with N64's RSP, or PS3's SPEs, especially since, being consoles, software wasn't designed to scale.

Proper multithreading is designing without assumptions about pipeline count, using threads (and even internal "fibers") on anything that can be so your workload scales evenly to any arbitrary compute resources, a design completely alien to most gamedevs (especially on console).

>Game assets both aren't, nor should they be large enough for SSD level performance

Most games are already in the tens of GBs, with numerous titles swelling into the low triple digit GBs. And even for smaller games, the difference between waiting seconds versus moments is palpable, though YMMV I guess.

>QLC with a couple hundred guaranteed write cycles

This is baseless scaremongering, most SSDs can handle hundreds of TB to multiple PB of writes before they run out of cell life, that's several years even of heavy use.

https://techreport.com/review/27909/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-theyre-all-dead/

How long will it be before my i5 4670k feels insufficient?

6 years and I rarely feel wanting. The only thing that has pushed it recently was emulating Drakengard 3, which it was narrowly not able to do at acceptable speeds. The chip is likely capable of it, but I don't OC it because the MOBO refuses to post. Fuck ASUS, they get such good reviews and the only components I've replaced/wanted to replace have been ASUS.

>>16901891

It's going to happen whether or not we build faster 'puters, padre. The actual driving force behind this isn't drive speed, but the fact console games are stamped on 50GB BDs that cost nothing, and will soon start using 128GB BD-XL. If the multi-TB holographic formats that have been stuck in laboratories for years actually hits the consumer market, prepare your asshole.

>>16901896

I don't know what you use your 4670k for, but I have one that I use for video/audio editing as well as just plain vidya and it's really starting to show its age. It's not a liability yet but it's absolutely my machine's bottleneck at the moment and I think this is going to be the year I replace it.

>>16901854

>game at 1080p in style

You say that like it's a bad thing.

>>16901900

Prepare my asshole for what, playing 500MB titles from 1999 while the average consumer forces my ISP to upgrade their pipes because Goys of War 6 is 2.4TB?

The last time I actually installed a game from disc was nuWolfenstein. It was an extremely slow and painful experience that gave me several headaches. Also, installing the game took a long time. Besides Switch and handhelds I can't think of cases where people don't download their games.

>>16861328

Hey buddy, I think you've got the wrong thread, the music club's two boards down.

>>16901880

> the difference between waiting seconds versus moments is palpable

You should a a long look at load times without SATA and NVMe SSDs, because I can guarantee you that outside some outliers you're not gonna be able to tell the difference without a stopwatch or some side by side comparison.

>https://techreport.com/review/27909/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-theyre-all-dead/

>obviously no QLC in sight because it didn't fucking exist in 2015

>1 sample per brand so anecdotal at best

>>16901902

>>16901906

>Games haven't shipped ALL ON DISC since 2013

>The last time I actually installed a game from disc

Not you, the consolebabbies. Games are written for console, then ported to PC complete with redundant uncompressed console assets.

>>16901918

YOU'RE STILL WRONG YOU FUCKING IDIOT.

DAY ONE PATCHES ARE BECAUSE THEY DON'T SHIP THE GAME ON THE ENTIRE DISK FOR CONSOLEFAGGOTS.

>>16901905

Don't do much video but I do a fair bit of CAD plus a bit of image and audio. It feels a bit weird saying this but I think my bottleneck is my motherboard. It acts very fucky on system resume and I can't run my computer for more than maybe 10 hours without certain aspects of programs that use internet suddenly not working. Also doesn't help that my audio interface likes to cause a bunch of USB driver issues leading to bluescreen when booting up Reaper (except if I reboot within a few minutes, it launches fine) and also bluesceens when stopping audio recording (but only sometimes). Some of this could be my budget RAM having issues, though I've also thought it could be my usual gaming/CAD OS misbehaving since it locks it to 16GB in software though I have 32GB. I made the mistake of legally owning a copy of an OS, how embarrassing.

I think I'll max my CPU out more noticeably if I start to play actual modern titles or emulate mid-late PS3 but honestly there hasn't been anything released in the past decade that can compel me to upgrade.

>>16901918

Which ironically hurts console users more since I've got several terabytes of storage and additional drives not even in my system due to lack of SATA ports, though I do have a couple available bays. I get that a lot of people don't have that luxury though, got a spare used system with an alienware case and god the thermals and available space in that thing are F tier.

>>16901926

>Also doesn't help that my audio interface likes to cause a bunch of USB driver issues leading to bluescreen

I see I'm not the only one with a temperamental USB controller in an Haswell build, have you tried reverting to very old drivers, that's what fixed most of the issues for me.

>>16901940

I mean the USB drivers for the mobo chipset.

>>16901946

Ah yeah that one. The drivers currently being used survived a drive cloning which was responsible for some very… strange behaviour. It's probably worth changing though with this installation, I feel like the more I change the closer I get to something seriously breaking.

>>16901915

QLC (and upcoming PLC) is a low-speed, high-capacity technology, aimed more at mass storage than performance. The fastest M.2 SSDs (Aorus, Rocket, MP600, SN750, etc.) are pretty much all TLC, and officially warrantied for minimum lifetime writes of 850TB to several PB depending on drive size.

Of course, this isn't to say designs for exceptionally taxing applications aren't sometimes appropriate, such as Intel's (very expensive) Optane SSDs warrantied for over 10-20PB, but typical consumer applications shouldn't consume anywhere near 1PB for several years of use.

>>16902173

Daily reminder you can disable IME/PSP in many of the newest 80x86 CPUs through methods such as me_cleaner, that there were already hardware-level backdoors in prior gens, and that the bottom-end Raptor Blackbird is $1.5k.

>dat pic

Reminder AMD also has design centers in Israel, and that kvetching from Israeli security researchers was partly responsible for some options by AMD to disable PSP.

>>16902187

me_cleaner does jack shit though, it even states that it can a disable a few things but not a lot because a lot of the code is hidden. Go buy a x200 to flash libreboot on it or a x230 for coreboot, or other hardware that supports it that is about the only way to know you're in the green. More coreboot for more modern hardware is on its way, I'm in the know

Also people found ways to disable all the crap in Ryzen BIOS's already, and ways to flash them with other shit so expect something like libreboot or coreboot very soon.

>>16902204

>it even states that it can a disable a few things but not a lot

That depends on the CPU & chipset in question, with me_cleaner doing anything from completely deleting IME, to 99% deleting it.

Kind of a shame there isn't more research into this, as I remember an old /tech/ thread where we were hypothesizing about all the cool things IME/PSP/etc. could do with custom open source firmware if it were reverse-engineered.

>>16902208

>That depends on the CPU & chipset in question

Fair enough. Not talking shit about the tool and devs itself.

>Kind of a shame there isn't more research into this, as I remember an old /tech/ thread where we were hypothesizing about all the cool things IME/PSP/etc. could do with custom open source firmware if it were reverse-engineered.

People are on this like flies on shit, it just takes a while. Some mobo brands do give the option to disable PSP which is a good start, though having a tool like me_cleaner would be a better solution for sure.

>>16902213

No, I meant custom firmware that would use the hardware to do stuff like allow remote management, monitoring, run a hyperviser, etc.

Basically what we should've been able to do if Intel/AMD actually published open documentation for it.

>>16902169

>QLC (and upcoming PLC) is a low-speed, high-capacity technology

You forgot the important part, it being low cost, but again you're trying to justify the ability of a console SSD ,which will very obviously never be anything but the cheapest shit, to be used as non volatile RAM without it being a bad idea by showing me that high end MLC / TLC can sustain a few hundred TB of writes before any serious failure (which also happens to show that using your SSD as anything but regular storage is still a bad idea regardless).

All that is even supposing they can make a custom controller that is gonna hold long enough to not die before the NAND, which isn' a gaurantee considering how much work that thing is gonna be doing if they even want to touch the numbers they're announcing.

And also as stupid as it sounds doing this kind of shit might actually be a thermal / power bottleneck on said consoles, because yes if you look at the specs the 5-10 extra watts from pushing the SSD to it's limits might actually end up being an issue.

If you're gonna see any serious push towards any sort of tech in games that actually takes advantage of NVMe speed for more than slightly faster loading times it's most likely also gonna come with an NVMe storage device using something less shit than regular NAND / 3DNAND, and that's not gonna come in two years, hell the only game that announced to be working with that in mind (Star Citizen) isn't even gonna be released then.

I can already hear you say "I wasn't arguing about consoles", but then I can guarantee you that in two years PC games will still takes into account that they will be ran from HDDs (probably not even good ones), especially if they continue to grow in size (yes SSDs are getting cheaper but HDDs are still 2-8x cheaper per GB on larger sizes), which automatically precludes planning your game around NVMe speed which in turn means the benefits will be the same as they currently are aka barely justifiable cost wise.

>>16902360

>You forgot the important part, it being low cost

For the capacity, not the speed. Remember this conversation started over whether or not the full speed of NVMe is useful for gayming.

>which will very obviously never be anything but the cheapest shit

Depends on what they use it for, and whether a mix is employed. Remember consoles have used oddballs like RDRAM and 1T-SRAM in the past for a certain performance/price tradeoff.

>sustain a few hundred TB of writes

To eat through the 850TB lifespan of the cheapest of those fast SSDs have (reserving even a little capacity for spare cells, like how a lot of 512GB SSDs are "500GB" can boost that greatly) in, say, a decade? You'd need to do over 230GB/day. Windows users with a default pagefile hit maybe 20. I think any sane console design could easily supplement RAM with SSD.

>the 5-10 extra watts from pushing the SSD to it's limits might actually end up being an issue

It isn't an issue on laptops, so it shouldn't be on consoles either unless the case designers are spectacularly retarded which I admit they often have been in the past.

>I can already hear you say "I wasn't arguing about consoles"

Yeah, I mostly was just saying it's a good buy for PC owners right now.

>I can guarantee you that in two years PC games will still takes into account that they will be ran from HDDs

I'd say that's already false, so I'll assume you meant "SATA or similarly slow SSDs". To that, I'm willing to give 50/50 odds, especially given the rocky history of DDR4 pricing getting in the way of anybody assuming more than 16GB max RAM.

This brings to mind a question I've wondered about for years: Why CPU caches have grown so slowly, and in particular the continued absence of off-die cache in the era of rapidly widening CPU/RAM speed disparity.

>>16898550

>none of the lights are wired up

>rear tires are massively balded from rubbing against the wheel well

>worthless exhaust endings with too much of a bend for decent flow

>that fake blower

>>16902441

>Remember consoles have used oddballs like RDRAM and 1T-SRAM in the past for a certain performance/price tradeoff.

Could be as much of a loss leader as the consoles those were put in though, people who make NAND don't need that shit and none of the alternate tech fits with the announced specs even before price considerations.

>To eat through the 850TB lifespan of the cheapest of those fast SSDs have

Major failures |= definitive failure, and in that test the first major failure occurred well before 850TB, a drive that starts piling up uncorrectable errors is not something you want to use, because unsurprisingly when those happen on a simple file transfer it's not too big of a deal but if it's a system critical thing your system is going down with it.

>It isn't an issue on laptops

Laptops throttle to hell and back, but usually have good enough power delivery that the thermal issues crop up long before the power issue if you're running off the wall plug (obviously batteries will lead to power throttling)

If you look at the specs of the consoles you can clearly see they will be running heavily throttled (or with parts of the hardware disabled) most of the time, simply no way around it as a 300W PSU cannot deliver enough power for full load and any sane design will have the system draw maybe 200-250W maximum couple that with Zen2 and RDNA scaling absurdly well power draw wise when running well under their specs and even just 5-10W turns into lot of actual real world performance.

tl;dr in new consoles while the theoretical peak numbers look good most of the time you won't be anywhere near those in actual use

I'd find it extremely funny if one of the mods for that gen was just putting a less shit PSU in the console, pretty much unheard off outside of CECHA PS3

>I'd say that's already false, so I'll assume you meant "SATA or similarly slow SSDs".

No game assumes you have a SSD right now that I know of, there is certainly a lot of games that will benefit from it, but no game will become severely hampered by the player not running from an SSD (there could be as I don't keep track of the latest AAA shit but I doubt doubt it would have happened with current consoles being a thing and without anyone complaining about it)

And again people who make game need an audience, if you make a game that require something most of your potential audience doesn't have then it most likely will fail, and I wouldn't count on more niche titles to be the ones pushing tech forwards, at-least not intentionally (see MotN remaster).

Just looking at PCIe adoption should tell you everything you need to know about tech adoption rate

>Why CPU caches have grown so slowly

Cache are hard to fab because they take a lot of die space and by extension take a fat shit on your yields, especially if you're going monolithic.

>and in particular the continued absence of off-die cache in the era of rapidly widening CPU/RAM speed disparity.

Broadwell did it and failed, the xbone did it too and failed, maybe sometime soon with stacked HBM2 but doubt it will be mainstream, unless AMD goes through with the "APU with stacked HBM for VRAM and L4 cache" idea which basically is still just like broadwell technically.

>>16902517

>alternate tech

I was referring, vis-à-vis SSDs, to using a mix of different SSDs (or just differently tuned SSDs) for different purposes, such as seldom-rewritten mass storage versus cheap fast scratch space. Though of course other special features to achieve price/performance compromises are also possible. For instance, unified RAM/VRAM is a common one.

>in that test the first major failure occurred well before 850TB

That test was using an (as you noted) older generation of drives, none officially warrantied for more than 100TB, in spite of which they functioned without one single byte of lost data for 3x-11x their warrantied endurance. A modern SSD, warrantied for near or above 1PB, even TLC, is obviously going to last far longer, assuming one were somehow capable of writing the hundreds of GB/day necessary to do so, which one very probably isn't.

>no game will become severely hampered by the player not running from an SSD

Like in the days of sub-7200RPM HDDs, it can certainly be said having the game on a fast enough drive isn't a "requirement", but the agony of loading screens can make it feel close to one. I'll admit I can't think of any games that would grind to a halt for a minute inside a level during play to load assets on an HDD (though some clumsy autosave systems can produce such pauses on HDDs).

>if you make a game that require something most of your potential audience doesn't have then it most likely will fail

During the 3D accelerator transition, software fallback renderers hung on for years. Same for bullshit like the GeForce 4MX's software-assisted drivers during the introduction of programmable shaders. Heck, perhaps the best example was how long "run from CD" hung on for people with tiny HDDs.

>take a fat shit on your yields

A bad SRAM row/column is a lot smaller and easier to isolate than an entire bad CPU core, so that just means binning. Maybe cache is just seen as a waste of CPU-grade transistor budget? As opposed to obviously super valuable contributions, like mud-slow iGPUs you only use when you're having dGPU driver problems or configuring a hypervisor for PCIe-passthrough.

>HBM

>L4

That too, but I was also picturing something more like the good old days, when they sold sticks of SRAM you could slot in beside the CPU socket to pump up L2, or a little later when the CPU just had a heap of off-die L3 on the same daughtercard/package. I vaguely recall some big iron POWER/SPARC/Xeon/EPYC systems still do this, to really pile on the cache, even if the latency isn't quite as good as something tighter coupled to the CPU(s).

>>16903291

>Not sure. Maybe an external GPU

Don't bother with eGPU unless you're fine with paying 250-300 bucks just for the box without any GPU in it and massively reduced performance levels.

>I'm thinking of switching my hardrive for an SSD

Do it but don't go for anything fancy, something like the Crucial MX / BX is plenty fine and cheap.

>>16901861

while it indeeds pulls less than the 3900x, i seriously fuckin doubt either cpu pulls less than the 9900k, smaller nanometers = less power requirements.

That being said the 3900x is always running kinda hot, i wish i had waited and saved up for the 3950x, it'd have binned better aswell

>>16901859

at how many frames a second and at what levels of graphics, playing what games.

Because i had a 580 and it simply couldnt hit 144fps on any game without close to minimum settings on my 1440p screen, my Radeon VII manages it with above average graphics settings on most games i play, but frankly i doubt there's many games even a 2080ti would run at max settings at a steady 144fps at 1440p, so yeah, were you playing cs:go or something?

>>16901905

1080p is fantastic if you're on a budget, you can enjoy an entire league lower power/spec parts and get max settings on anything you play at 60fps easy peasy. Jumping up the fps and/or the resolution requires an entire leap forward in hardware if you want to make the most of it. But thats what the master race is all about laddie

>>16904761

I hope it's as big as the Xbone controller. Sony controllers in the past were always designed for tiny chink hands only.

>>16902706

I suggest waiting till you have 500 so you have more wiggle room or could pick up a 1660 super, but if you need a new CPU, mobo, and RAM here you go: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/tQBDkd

The list has a 14nm 1600 but you should get the 12nm 1600 AF for a slight bump in performance for no extra cost.

>>16904761

Looks more comfortable in the hands but I imagine the d-pad will still be mediocre and also

>both joysticks still at the bottom

Disgusting, also considering how popular paddles are why aren't they included in the default controllers still?

>>16904804

>Disgusting

I don't how this is problem. Your hands are not asymmetrical, so why should your controller be?

>>16904838

>>16904804

it's more of the rare cases where you rest the tip of your thumb onto the joysticks, move the left stick right and move the right stick left, your thumbs would contact each other. Can be fixed by not playing shit games & making the controller wider.

>>16902199

This

>>16905138

>5500XT

considering the performance is almost on par with the cheaper RX580 there's no reason to buy this unless game devs start to utilize PCI-E gen 4 which might happen considering the consoles are running PCI-E gen 4 compatible RDNA2 GPUs. Honestly you should probably get a 5600XT if going for a current gen AMD GPU, an EVGA 2060 KO for 300, or the 1660 Super

>>16905138

8gigs of ram? nigga wtf? go 16 minimum

>>16904804

>>16904666

Thanks. One question: Would I have to switch to Win10 if I get a b-450 motherboard? I really don't want to leave Win7, but I realize it's going to eventually become impossible if I want to upgrade at all.

>>16907532

I think USB will be screwed… which may as well be the whole thing will be screwed.

Don't count me on that though. My 2c

>>16907532

As long as you have a PS2 keyboard (potentially a PS2 mouse too but not necessary just helpful) and the mobo you have in mind has a PS2 port (if it's a single one that's purple and gree you'll want a splitter too) then it's fairly easy, but it might simply run like complete shit, my attempt at it did and I couldn't find a way to fix it.

Also worth noting that you'll lack support for advanced power saving feature which Zen 2 relies on quite a bit (potentially dangerous if you're using Zen2 on older BIOS too) and the improved scheduler making Zen2 10-15% faster for free.

If for some reason you go ahead and win 7 doesn't work out there's still ways to salvage the thing (Linux, GPU passthrough VMs) but most likely you'll end up going with Win 10, so in that case go with Win 10 education and don't use KMS but hwidgen to activate it, then just use some flavor of feature deactivation program to get rid of the annoyances, from what I've seen most of it stays gone if you also disable updates (at-least mine hasn't changed from the stock 1909 in about 4 month now, that and classic shel and the transition was not too bad.

>>16907544

Forgot, you can also try slipstreaming your USB3 drives onto the Win7 install iso instead of relying on PS2 peripherals if that's not a thing you can do, but it's apparently not as easy as it sounds.

I don't know exactly how it works because I didn't have to bother with it but I'm sure there's some tutorial on it in the first few results on any search engine.

Win 10 isn't even that bad. It's been out for 5 years now. You can't hold off forever. You can turn off whatever telemetry in it as well.

Since you're at /v/, I assume you're a gamer. You might as well take the dive. If this was /g/, I'd understand, since they don't actually do shit with computers.

My sister asked for my assistance with building a render machine for her, she does a lot of work with music (as in 100+ instrument tracks at once) and her Macbook isn't cutting it :^) but her program allows her to use a slave machine to split the workload. Rate my suggestion (budget is $3000 burgerbux)

>AMD Threadripper 3960X

>Corsair H100i PRO

>MSI TRX 40 PRO 10G

>Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB (she wants the option to upgrade later which I don't think will be necessary but it's her choice)

>Two Samsung 970 Evo 1TB nVME SSDs

>Diamond Radeon HD 6450 (graphics aren't important and Threadripper doesn't have onboard video so this is the cheapest I could find)

>Rosewill TYRFING V2 (because fuck spending $150+ on a case)

>SeaSonic G Series 650W

>>16907544

what's wrong with KMSPico?

>>16907544

>Linux, GPU passthrough VMs

This. Just go ahead and install Win10 for gayman, transition anything that can be (especially poz-sensitive applications such as web browsing) to Linux. Think of your Win10 install like a less retarded console.

So, OP here. My vega fucking died after a few months of use and I am never buying AMD gpu's again. Any recommendations for a suitable replacement? I have a tomahawk x mother board and 16gb ram.

>>16907563

Get air cooling. If she's making music, it's good to work on active projects with SSDs, but she's going to want to sore more than a measly 2TB (a large HDD for storage would help).

>>16907578

She's going to be using it for rendering only, everything else will be saved on her MacBook with much more space.

>>16907583

Ah, gotcha. Well, I'll just recommend air cooling. I'm a Noctua fanboy, but there are a lot of good options.

>>16907566

Relies on a service and easy to detect, remove, hwidgen pretends it's an upgrade from a nonexistent Win7 machine so it acts and look like a legit install, permanently so, but it can't activate LTSC.

>>16907563

Intel is better at doing audio workload, it's pretty much the only benchmarks where they still lead, but I can see why you're going with AMD instead.

32GB for a workstation isn't much, most likely gonna end up being upgraded at some point

As already said go aircooling, AiO are a scam, the physical heatsink barely matters, just drops some Noctua industrial or Enermax DF pressure on it (or anything with extremely high static pressure).

>>16907592

so am I, but she insisted on keep shit quiet and cool

>>16907595

I've been using it for a long time and never had any problems with it. I also haven't updated wangblows in over a year and made an exception in Defender so I'm fine

If she wants to upgrade RAM then that's on her, if it's not enough then she can buy some more and install it herself, she's not that hopeless

She really wanted watercooling, I was against it because of the risks involved (if a pipe leaks ur fukin dun) but she had none of it. The Noctua coolers for that chipset were also bulky and overpriced, and it's not for me so I don't really care

>she'll buy the parts and have them shipped out to me on the other side of the country

>i'll assemble it, get everything set up, then ship it out to her in LA

not cost efficient but her only other option is trying to build it herself or paying the niggers at geek squad to do it

>>16907643

>She really wanted watercooling, I was against it because of the risks involved (if a pipe leaks ur fukin dun) but she had none of it. The Noctua coolers for that chipset were also bulky and overpriced, and it's not for me so I don't really care

I mean if she really wants that sure, but AiOs aren't that quiet, a 360mm (480mm too but that's kind of fucking insane) will be better for that but also much more pricey.

I'm currently riding with a 6ish year old motherboard and an i5, but I don't feel very restricted by them since the i5 is a particularly decent one. What I am restricted by is my RAM at only 8gb. Is it worth it to buy more DDR3 or wait until I can get a whole new motherboard and CPU that supports DDR4?

>>16907563

Atleast get a graphics that isnt 9 years old. gt1030 is a good option.

>>16907672

depends on how many nu games you're going to play, if there aren't that many then I'd just get some extra DDR3, it's pretty cheap now that it's last gen

>>16907643

>so am I, but she insisted on keep shit quiet and cool

Fair enough, but my new Noctua A12x25 fans (and U12A cooler, with the same fans) are very quiet. It's also just less worries for normies down the road. She'll never have to think about cooling again.

The U12A isn't bulky btw.. It's smaller than the D14s and 15s, but just as powerful. It's the future of all of their products.

>>16907672

If you can get it cheap sure.

>>16909417

I don't know what your starting point is to feel a difference, but a 1060 or 580 would be solid 1080p cards and about the lowest you should go at this point (imho).

>>16909417

Ryzen 3 kinda limits your options.

Maybe go with a RX 570

>>16907563

>AMD Threadripper 3960X

This gen's low-end threadrippers are worthless. They're made with lower quality silicon compared to last gen's because all the high quality silicon went to Epyc. You can tell this due to the 24 core count obviously being made up of four 6 core chiplets with two defective cores. It's also pretty disgusting how AMD reneged on their promise of backwards compatibility and made a new socket foreshadowing for the future of Ryzen maybe :^)

>Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB (she wants the option to upgrade later which I don't think will be necessary but it's her choice)

Sample libraries get really fucking huge and they get loaded into RAM when you use them and If she's working with a lot of audio clips as apposed to a bunch of synths she'll need lots of RAM to load big projects.

>Rosewill TYRFING V2 (because fuck spending $150+ on a case)

The average user doesn't need a case with a lot of bells and whistles because all they need is a box to put components in, but people who use workstations do need or want the features in more expensive cases.

>>16907643

>Watercooling because it's Quiet™

This is a meme. High airflow cases with high quality fans are the quietest things there is. You can't tune your water-pump to make it quieter unlike fans. Jayz and Gaymer's Nexus both proved that fan tuning is the superior method for low noise and cooling.

Here is a build I came up with

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DbQvvW

>AMD 2990WX

As many people have stated single core performance matters a lot in audio rendering/processing due to the sequential nature of audio. The CPU has to calculate the processing applied by every effect in the mixer channel one by one and that cannot be done in parallel. However some DAWs probably all assign every core a single mixer channel so the more cores you have the more channels you can process simultaneously and AMD still gives more cores per dollar than Intel. I avoided the 3rd gen Threadripper since the actual good stuff is expensive and I'm not sure how loud the mobo fans can get.

>be quiet! Dark Rock Pro Tr4

Very good cooler that runs quiet.

>ASRock Taichi

Asrock's Taichi line has always been pretty good and it comes with 4 m.2 slots and 8 RAM slots with up to 128GB while being pretty affordable.

>WD Red 4tb

Best bang for buck NAS drive with good warranties, RMA service, and slightly lower failure rates than other brands. Might be a little loud though but that's the nature of large HDDs and if I remember right also tends to click.

>WD SN750

On par with the 970 EVO Plus but are slightly cheaper and this one comes with a heat sink since NVMe drives can get hot under sustained load.

>Phanteks P600s

Unlike the be quiet! cases you can actually make the choice of lower noise or better cooling and it comes with tons of mounts for storage, lots of cooling support, and noise damping fabric so you can make the WD Red quieter :^) Also make sure to let your sister know that removing the dust filter will make her rig cooler but she'll need to clean it more often and that you don't have to completely remove the front plate to get good cooling.

>be quiet! Straight Power 11

be quite! makes almost silent power supplies that perform well. Alternatively you could go for the EVGA SuperNOVA G3 650 instead. I personally have a 750 watt G2 and it works pretty good.

I didn't list a GPU because if you're looking for the cheapest shit just go to ebay and get a used one for like 50-80 dollars like the rx550, 460, 470, r9 380, etc. I also left some budget wiggle room for other things like case fans I recommend getting 3 140mm Noctua ones and avoid the redux because they're noisier and maybe a fan controller You could also get some more NVMe drives or maybe a SATA SSD for a boot drive to maximize all the M.2 slots for storage.

>>16909417

>what GPU should i buy for around $150 to feel any difference?

>Ryzen 3 2200g

Literally any dedicated GPU. How APUs work is that they use system RAM for VRAM which is farther away and slower than the ones on GPUs. The Vega cores on the APUs are also lower quality rejects that couldn't make it into a real GPU. Even an ultrabudget card will have a noticeable improvement in performance because of this. I suggest getting either a 570 new for 120-150 or 580 used for 110-150 and if you can get Sapphire always get Sapphire.

>>16909492

Ryzen APUs are pretty fucking stellar though.

>>16909497

>Ryzen APUs are pretty fucking stellar though.

Of course but the all-in-one convenience and low price comes at a cost. Great if you want to make a budget entry level rig but still can't compete with even budget CPU+GPU combos due to its architectural limitations.

I could understand the APU appeal for mom and dad's computer, but /v/? Even suggesting a 580 to the anon makes me feel bad.

>>16909492

>They're made with lower quality silicon compared to last gen's because all the high quality silicon went to Epyc

>You can tell this due to the 24 core count obviously being made up of four 6 core chiplets with two defective cores

What?

Are you retarded or are you seriously gonna pretend the 1920 / 2920 / 2970 don't exist and that binning hasn't been a thing for almost as long as CPUs have existed?

Besides why recommend an inferior CPU that's usually not even cheaper and less efficient for a build that is entirely new and by extension doesn't have the excuse of having an older mobo.

>>WD Red 4tb

>and slightly lower failure rates than other brands

The whole lineup of WD red has shit failure rates on backblaze, only beaten by the dumpster fire that were low end drives from Seagate post flood.

There's better options out there for magnetic storage, especially if you're willing to forego extended warranties which are usually not very useful anyways

Besides that, the build is for a loadmonkey / workstation and thus doesn't need storage outside of the OS and maybe space for the local workload.

>>16911133

>binning hasn't been a thing for almost as long as CPUs have existed?

No shit, that's why I recommended against the ENTRY LEVEL 3rd gen TR since compared to Epyc Rome server CPUs and ironically the 3950X. It's made using lower binned silicon that most likely had defective dies or are you suggesting AMD is retarded enough to take perfectly functioning 8 core chiplets and gimping them just to make a 24c CPU? The entry level 3rd gen TR is an overpriced afterthought made to bilk retards out of money. That's not even getting into the overpriced as fuck motherboards on a NEW FUCKING SOCKET NO ONE ASKED FOR because

>muh too many cores

>muh pci-e gen 4

With a fucking fan on it for extra noise.

>Are you retarded or are you seriously gonna pretend the 1920 / 2920 / 2970 don't exist

It's almost like I tried to find a setup that was around the same price with more bang per buck. The extra 100-150 he'll spend on the 2990WX and the 100-150 cheaper mobo, made during the time AMD kikes didn't have carte blanche in the market, made the setup cost about the fucking same what a coincidence.

>inferior

The 2990WX is the high end TR made on the 12nm+ refresh where Epyc server CPUs weren't in the product stack and doesn't suffer from it like 3rd gen TR. It's around the same cost, is made from pristine fully functioning silicon, and has more cores. Which I explained DAWs benefit from due to the way they take advantage of multi-core processing in the mixer where the bulk of processing happens during a render because wow that's where all the fucking VSTs and AUs go.

>There's better options out there for magnetic storage

>doesn't list a single alternative

>fuck warranties on 100+ dollar components you put work data on lmao XD

Jesus fucking Christ.

>loadmonkey / workstation and thus doesn't need storage outside of the OS and maybe space for the local workload.

Where you going to put the lossless wav files from recordings, sample packs, and the 100s of GBs to TBs of sampler libraries? Kontakt instruments alone take up GBs per instrument and you can easily have several instruments with multiple voicings and articulations each in a library. If that's not the case and she doesn't need a drive for bulk storage they can just not buy the fucking drive.

>>16915397

That goes double for motherboards. There only tends to be a couple of non-rgb mobos per company now.

I don't know any case that fits your exact specs. You might get closer with some of the cube shaped cases, but not sure about towers.

>>16915381

>No shit, that's why I recommended against the ENTRY LEVEL 3rd gen TR since compared to Epyc Rome server CPUs and ironically the 3950X

This is why I skipped upgrading to Zen 2 and am waiting on Zen 3 if it's still on AM4. Fuck AMD and fuck their binning process. They could easily have released a 4.8 GHz plus 3950X if they wanted but no Epyc and (((hyperscalers))) above everything :^)

>>16915480

Just go Intel. Yes, they're getting stomped atm, but at least they don't have stupid product names. Because this is important.

>>16915381

>I recommended against the ENTRY LEVEL 3rd gen TR

>. It's made using lower binned silicon that most likely had defective dies

There's no indication out there that there's anything particularly wrong with those dies outside of the two missing cores, they'll still do 4.5-4.6Ghz with a good cooler just like any of the other 3XXX threadripper.

>It's almost like I tried to find a setup that was around the same price with more bang per buck.

>The 2990WX is the high end TR made on the 12nm+ refresh where Epyc server CPUs weren't in the product stack and doesn't suffer from it like 3rd gen TR

The 2990WX gets shat on by the 3960X on nearly every benchmark and at worst they're equals and that's on a handful of benchmarks that aren't usually relevant (aka gaming), it's inferior even on multicore loads, so why buy it if it's the same price, doubly so since it' doesn't have any upgrade paths on it's own platform?

Don't believe me

>https://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=28555

There's a handful of benchmarks in total where the 2990WX is better, less than that where it's by more than 1-4%, out of dozens where the 3960X is over 10% faster, sometimes even more than that.

I swear it's the same argument than the "2700X over 3600" people spout out,

You always want the part with less cores between two parts both similar synthetic performance unless there's a significant price advantage, because most workload introduce overhead when ran over more cores and many loads still are bottlenecked by the main thread which is obviously only running on one core

But then between the 2990WX and the 3960X that's not even the case, the 3960X simply shits on the 2990WX by sometimes over 20% in synthetic bencmarks that can properly use that many cores there's literally no reason to buy it unless you already have a Zen / Zen + TR workstation and need an upgrade, and even then it's debatable because the 3960X is just that much faster in some case.

>>fuck warranties on 100+ dollar components you put work data on lmao XD

>Jesus fucking Christ.

Warranty only cover the hardware, your data is still gone and if you haven't backed it up somewhere else you're still fucked, and they're not gonna pay for it's recovery, if your HDD isn't showing signs of death in 1 year it's usually not gonna die inside of 3 years, anything more than 1 year warranty on HDDs is near useless.

>>doesn't list a single alternative

Shucked 8TB out of WD essentials / Seagate externals can go under $150, that's usually without warranties entirely though.

Certified HGST / Hitachi refurbs so you have an actually good and fast drive for the price, and those usually have 1 to 2 years warranties

Paying $100-120 for bottom of the barrel 4TB is retarded, buying WD nowadays is retarded in general.

>Where you going to put the lossless wav files from recordings, sample packs, and the 100s of GBs to TBs of sampler libraries?

On the MBP in that case, the workstation is just there to offload the work, have you not read the posts? see >>16907583

tl;dr: sorry that you were one of the AdoredTV retards that got burned by his retardation and can't understand that AMD is a company and not your friend, don't deny objective facts because of your own failings

>>16915480

The 3950X is already getting the best binned dies, why do you think it uses less power with 4 more cores and higher clocks than the 3900X?

Basically none of the Zen 2 SKUs can reliably get to 4.8Ghz on a single die with regular cooling / voltages, so the reason we don't have it is because it's not possible with reasonable binning.

>>16915502

9900KYS

>>16915397

If you can still find the old models the Thermaltake View 71 / V71 has 4 200mm fan slots, obviously not the new models which is the gay tempered glass and RGB kind even if it has the same name

>>16915629

>Thermaltake View 71

It has a shitty glass panel on the front, which genocides airflow. Computer cases need to have nothing more than a good big mesh panel without a dust filter. If cases didn't look fugly without a front panel I would simply remove it, but until someday someone figures out how to make them look good, mesh panels are the best option we have.

Unless there's a model without that shitty glass panel on the front. But I couldn't find it

>>16915656

Are you sure it's not the tempered glass all over one?

Pretty sure I made a mistake and the old one is supposed to be called the Core v71 actually.

To note too that the RL06 is medium tower not large, comes fully decked with cheap fans at 1400RPM whereas the v71 only has the front and back ones which leaves you room to add the top and bottom ones.

>>16915662

Yup, the one you posted is the core v71. I don't have thermal tests for it though.

The RL06 being a mid-tower pisses me off, but it's still the best case temp-wise. Replace it's cheap fans with better ones and it's even better.

>>16907583

>it's inferior even on multicore loads

Once again audio processing and rendering in a DAW is SEQUENTIAL and is not a traditional multi-core workload the "multi-coring" that they accomplished was to assign every core an instrument and the mixer channel it's routed through.

>so why buy it if it's the same price

How disingenuous, because it's not exactly the same price is it if the mobo 3rd gen is attached to is 100-200 more expensive.

>it' doesn't have any upgrade paths on it's own platform?

Will this socket? AMD made a new more expensive socket arbitrarily, pissing everyone off this gen, what's stopping them from doing it again like Intel?

>Your data is still gone and if you haven't backed it up somewhere else you're still fucked

That's funny because Seagate's Ironwolf that gets routinely shat on will recover it free of charge under their warranty.

>anything more than 1 year warranty on HDDs is near useless.

While I agree that HDDs usually function fine if there aren't failures after a year but if a company puts out a free warranty beyond a year it means the company is willing to take liability if it doesn't last as long as the warranty.

>Certified HGST / Hitachi refurbs so you have an actually good and fast drive for the price, and those usually have 1 to 2 years warranties

>HGST/Hitachi

>one of the noisiest brands

I use them and like them personally but they're loud and beyond the loud one expects out of a NAS. Many people are also ridiculously squeamish on buying used HDDs.

>On the MBP in that case, the workstation is just there to offload the work, have you not read the posts? see >>16907583

fair enough I didn't see that

>sorry that you were one of the AdoredTV retards that got burned by his retardation and can't understand that AMD is a company and not your friend

Nigger what the fuck are you talking about?

Just got my 1200 bucks from goverment, what sex toys should i buy?

>>16915836

get yourself a bad dragon wolf dildo my dude.

>>16915823

>Once again audio processing and rendering in a DAW is SEQUENTIAL and is not a traditional multi-core workload the "multi-coring" that they accomplished was to assign every core an instrument and the mixer channel it's routed through.

Without benchmark about this specific load we can speculate about this all day, but even then I doubt it's not at-least equal, and obviously the 2990WX would only have a chance if you actually use 32 channels.

>How disingenuous, because it's not exactly the same price is it if the mobo 3rd gen is attached to is 100-200 more expensive.

The mobo is pricier the CPU is cheaper, with good sales either choice is mostly at the same price within 5-10%, not counting secondhand obviously where a 2990WX will probably ned up being cheaper by a significant amount.

>Will this socket?

It already has, going from 24 to 64 cores is a pretty big upgrade if you need it latter on.

>That's funny because Seagate's Ironwolf that gets routinely shat on will recover it free of charge under their warranty.

Seagate ain't WD (maybe WD does it too but I'd be surprised, they're the jewiest HDD brand out there), and honestly it would take that much to make me consider regular priced Seagate outside of their enterprise drives.

>I use them and like them personally but they're loud and beyond the loud one expects out of a NAS.

They're not "that" loud but that's a pretty subjective thing, I mean there's also refurb video surveillance drives which are really damn good if noise is that big of an issue but those aren't always as cheap.

>Many people are also ridiculously squeamish on buying used HDDs.

Certified refurb isn't secondhand, it has a warranty and a seal of approval from the manufacturer, pretty sure they fail less often than regular drives

>Nigger what the fuck are you talking about?

People who go out of their way to complain about Zen2 have been in my experience people who are still salty they didn't get a $550 16core @ 5.0Ghz like that scottish fuck pulled out of his ass, in other words burned by the hype.

The socket thing was predictable, it's the only way to keep your board making partners happy, the "Creator" / "Enthusiast" segment just happen to be the one that's the best compromise for everyone to jew on since enterprise client just buy prebuilt solutions and go with brand upgrade programs instead of doing it themselves (meaning already jewed to hell and back), very few people dropping $1k+ on a single CPU are gonna complain about the mobo thing and it also happened to have some positive side effects for AMD tech wise

I'm actually fairly sure 3XX/4XX isn't gonna be supported by Zen3 (doubt it will have DDR5 since that's not ready for next year and hybrid support is unlikely), or if it is supported it's gonna have significant drawbacks, Zen4 is gonna need a new socket entirely for sure, because unless they go for hybrid DDR4/5 support which is very unlikely DDR5 requirement automatically means any prior mobo is useless.

>>16907563

I also now realize that no one in this thread, me included, recommended you to get ECC RAM, which you want on a workstation doing actual work

So if you're around and haven't bought anything do that.

>>16915917

>enterprise client just buy prebuilt solutions and go with brand upgrade programs instead of doing it themselves (meaning already jewed to hell and back)

Corporate purchases (especially for HPC) typically involve supa hawt bulk prices far lower than MSRP, and as you said consumer stuff is a lot cheaper. The only people really getting fully soaked are the retards buying single-seat Epyc/Xeon/Quadro/RPro.

>>16915836

just get an escort of your preferred sexual orientation.

Am I alone in disliking Gamernexus? His pretty locks don't fool me. The terminology/verbosity sounds like he's reading from fucking white papers. I want to beat his ass on principle. Is there even a video where he talks about games?

>>16916123

You're not, but he's not the worst out there.

>>16915836

Leave it in your bank and use it when you need to you fucking degenerate nigger.

>>16916162

>The info and testing he does is top-notch, if you can get through all the verbose script-reading.

I have to admit, I took the dive on delidding because of him. But still..

>>16916123

He deleted the only review where they discussed borderlands 2. The only issue with Gamers Nexus is they are now trying to create an end all standard for bench marking cooling components to an exceedingly autistic level that most people can't accomplish. However every other Hardware YouTube channel is just bullshit speculation or completely useless reviews, at least Gamers Nexus actually go out of their way to make interesting valid content, for example the factory manufacturing tours and HW news recaps, I envision GamersNexus viewership plateauing at some point though because actual useful detailed information has no mass market appeal

>>16916208

Sometimes watch Actually Hardcore Overclocking when it isn't a video where he complains about BIOS options for 45 minutes, good channel for PCB reviews

>>16907532

modern gen AMD and intel cpus no longer support Win7 and unless you're an IT expert you wont be able to jury rig it to make it work.

I hate windows 10 aswell, but if you turn off the privacy invasive shit, and buy a decent VPN it's not soo bad. Don't go PIA they're compromised.

i'd go for a quality x470 board myself, the x570 range is absurdly overpriced due to the pcie 4.0 feature set that wont be useful for another generation of gpus, maybe by next year top notch gpus will take advantage of it, but its not likely. If you are gonna buy an x570, spend alot, the base range sucks dick and the reviews are bullshit, don't buy the low tier x570s they are all bad, limited bios choices, bad feature sets, bad sound chips, etc.

>>16916208

I got that motherboard for a steal. It's pretty fucking neat.

>>16917446

It's just a matter of installing drivers by hand. You don't need to be an "expert". Some people created custom driver with installers as well for Windows 7. Better of not using Windows all together or virtualize it on top of looooonix

>>16907563

>AMD Threadripper 3960X

overkill honestly, the price to performance compared to the bottom threadripper isn't quite there, but it's still an incredible chip she can use for anything.

>Corsair H100i PRO

Do NOT buy this, not because its a bad AIO, but it's not a threadripper specific AIO, threadrippers have a cpu size like 60% larger than any other chip on the market, you need a cooler with a plate that actually covers the damn chip itself, i mean, this thing will work if it comes with the right bracket, but fuck me the cooling will be sub par and performance and lifespan of the chip and cooler will be shit.

>MSI TRX 40 PRO 10G

according to reviews the gigabyte range of TR4 boards is better

>Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB (she wants the option to upgrade later which I don't think will be necessary but it's her choice)

depends on what speed, 3200mhz minimum. I use 32gig and it's pretty much mandatory if you want decent performance at large multitasking stuff. Get a board that will promise to support DDR5 Ram memory if you can, as that's supposed to be coming out next year and would be a great upgrade for her. if she plans to upgrade keep it at 32 gigs, if she wants to use it for a long time get 64gigs.

Make sure it's a corsair manufacturer or anything made by samsung like Team Group as their ram works better with AMD than intel.

>Two Samsung 970 Evo 1TB nVME SSDs

sure, they're a bit over the top

>Diamond Radeon HD 6450 (graphics aren't important and Threadripper doesn't have onboard video so this is the cheapest I could find)

get something newer, just for compatibilities sake perhaps, a 2060super or a 1660ti, or a rx580/590.

>Rosewill TYRFING V2 (because fuck spending $150+ on a case)

FUCKIN NO ITS TOO SMALL, pay the price, get a better case, one with decent airflow too.

>SeaSonic G Series 650W

Corsair and EVGA make the best powersupplies, make sure it's at least at gold rating, if not plat or titanium.

Bear in mind just because her program "allows" for her to use a slave machine doesn't mean it'll actually work well or efficiently, if she wants an Imac it'll be way more expensive but it'll work, you can buy the bottom tier intel cpu and just buy a more expensive one and put it in yourself to save money on it, but it's fucking ridiculously priced and i dont blame her for wanting anything else.

>>16909492

every single review of the latest threadripper generation has been stellar, many people have worked with the previous 2 generations of threadripper and have found the cpus buggy to work with and the bugs have been hard coded into the chips themselves, you'd be mad to want to use them over the latest gen.

>>16915381

for workstation setups pcie gen 4 is a huge feature and going to be used ALOT in server setups wtf are you on about.

Are you just mad AMD aren't making cheap products anymore? Go support hwawei trying to break into the scene off the back of IP thievery like the entire asian tech sector used to or something then.

>>16917463

Anon is just buttblasted.

>>16915397

https://www.ple.com.au/Products/615979/Corsair-Graphite-780T-White-Full-Gaming-Tower-Case-wSide-Panel-Window

You're welcome, i have a version of this 3 gens older, works like a charm and will fit anything, including the noctua mega cpu double tower thingy, it just fits tho.

>>16915397

nigger filter thinks it's a link to ign, but you can probably figure out where it's supposed to link to.

>>16919502

Speaking as a person who lives in one of the most isolated places on earth, the only parts that are actually expensive to ship (because they're so huge and heavy) are cases and mobos. So your M.O. is going to be picking up something locally that uses standard Micro-ATX, including at least 3 drive bays, 5 PCI slots in the case, a couple PCIe-x16 slots on the board, 4 DIMM slots on the mobo, and a standard Micro-ATX PSU (the PSU is just small enough you're probably going to replace it later, since a prebuilt without a garbage PSU is very rare).

After that, shipping smaller parts like GPU, RAM, drives, CPU upgrades, coolers, fans, etc., isn't quite so expensive.

>>16919502

there aren't any, they all cut corners with parts choices and overprice like mad, also the further the pc needs to be transported the more likely it's going to be damaged in transit, just buy the damn parts and have them delivered, or picked up from a local pc chain.

>USIN

G512 SE for 4 months, until the space bar decided that it would work as either one space, 2 or no space at all.

I'll see if Logitech can send me another one.

>>16921705

i have a logitech g910, had it for well about ~3 years now, but the keys are starting to double strike for a single press, not a problem in gaming but an issue when i want to type stuff, i havent really cleaned it ever thoroughly, should i blast it with distilled water to get the dirt out?

>>16921705

>>16921749

Not water, rubbing alcohol. Use this guide:

https://www.wikihow.com/Fix-Sticky-Keyboard-Keys

>>16921693

Overprice yes, but I don't thin they cut corners on parts necessarily. I guess the big companies do (except those sweet HP workstations), but not the boutique guys like Maingear or Origin/Corsair. Although building a PC is so easy I don't know why anyone would buy like this, unless in bulk or you're in some business and need the support program.

>>16922428

corsair would be an exception because they use their own products and sell very expensive prebuilds with little options, they're well made as a result, but for laughs i went through alot of the most famous prebuild companies and alot of them cut corners with shitty motherboards, slow ram, very limited choices in parts, very limited choices in storage configs, often out of date cpu options overpriced like they're new, it was a trainwreck honestly.

My local pc store offers a huge variety of prebuilds each month and changes up the options, and allows you to switch and swap whatever you want for a price too. Much better than what the internet prebuilds offer.

>>16921949

distilled water not normal tap water, also my keys arent sticking, they respond same as ever, they are double striking, giving me 2 key entries for one press. I do like the advice for getting a keycap puller though i could use one.

>>16926031

Yeah, I haven't looked enough at the big companies. I guess one thing I'll give them credit for though is that it seems like Dell and whatnot still used oldschool green PCBs. That's next to impossible to find otherwise. Even Supermicro (a no frills brand) consumer focused boards are black.

>>16904656

Give or take 55-85 on the brand new crash and spyro remakes with a few tweaks (Ambient Occlusion and Shadow detail)

Not super noticable.

Would it be possible to get some advice? I recently did my first build and the CPU which is an AMD Ryzen 5 is always running super hot 75c to 90c even when I'm not doing anything. I was told to re apply thermal paste which I did, but that did not fix the issue.

>>16929762

check airflow, best paste and cooler doesn't help if you don't get the heat out of your case properly.

also how do you check temps? some versions don't apply the 20° offset some ryzen use (speccy for example since that shit hasn't been updated in ages, try hwinfo)

>>16929765

I have been using speccy, yes. I will give hwinfo a shot and see what it says.

>>16929131

platformers huh, ok, not having a go, but let me know what performance you get with Vermintide 2, Mordhau, War thunder or wow classic during raid buff periods, all of those games BTFO my gpu.

Frankly im getting really dissapointed in AMD's gpu side, the price is right but im having constant gpu issues with certain games like SC2, nothing seems to fix it, it's possibly my Radeon VII itself, and no patch will fix it, as it's a bit of a frankenstein card and they discontinued it for a reason. The damn OC doesn't work anymore, it keeps reverting to stock settings. Their next gen better be amazing, i need an upgrade anyway, even if i can't afford it..i might even hold my nose and go nvidia.

>>16929762

you cpu cooler mount might be either faulty or you havent installed it correctly, perhaps you havent screwed it down hard enough, so there's not enough pressure on the cpu pad to trasmit heat correctly. what cpu paste are you using, there's alot of good options out there, i recommend Arctic MX-4 cuz its an apply and forget paste that in theory lasts until you replace the cpu itself.

There IS a chance you got a shittily binned chip that is overheating and nothing you can do will fix that but send it back and demand a replacement, the r5 3600 is a great cpu but it's on the bottom of the pile for binned chips thus the failure rate of them will be much higher than more expensive models. i'd only trust the 3600x, the 3800x, and the 3950x for having properly binned chips.

>>16903291

Most of the original guys are probably gone, but for the rest of you

I upgraded to an ssd. I think it's faster but i'm not sure. It's was more obvious with my dad's computer which was incredibly slow before having it's hardrive replaced with an SSD

>>16929808

You should notice the jump from an HDD to SSD, for sure. Even a cheapo SSD will improve things. The real crux is that SSD sizes suck 90% of the time (especially for gamers who like to have their whole library on demand). At least with me, even with the popularity of streaming music and videos saving a lot, I never feel comfortable with the 1-4TB hard drive spaces where SSDs reach their limit. You can never have enough.

>>16929794

>Frankly im getting really dissapointed in AMD's gpu side, the price is right but im having constant gpu issues with certain games like SC2, nothing seems to fix it, it's possibly my Radeon VII itself, and no patch will fix it, as it's a bit of a frankenstein card and they discontinued it for a reason. The damn OC doesn't work anymore, it keeps reverting to stock settings. Their next gen better be amazing, i need an upgrade anyway, even if i can't afford it..i might even hold my nose and go nvidia.

Don't count out Intel. I don't know how quickly their GPU is coming now that coronachan hit, but it was originally planned for 2020. Either way, even if you don't want it, maybe more competition will make the other two step up their game. I kind of swing back and forth, personally. I have a vega 64 collecting dust and just went back to Nvidia.

>>16930077

Anything would improve on that tbh. If you want to avoid something absolutely new, 6600k or Ryzen 1 would still serve you well.. but they'll probably be outdated soon too.

>>16930154

> but they'll probably be outdated soon too.

You know what, scratch that. Probably not. I mean, you're still using an i3. CPUs tend to have a longer lifespan these days. Moore's law is dead.

>>16929993

intel have no chance of making a good gpu until at least 2022, at LEAST, and even then, i welcome the competition for the sake of pushing innovation and the inevitable drop in gpu prices overall, but you'd be fuckin stupid to buy one until they've proven themselves properly and the gpus can play all old games just like any amd or nvidia gpu can.

The new intel gpus would come with an avalanche of bugs and issues that would take a long time to iron out. Don't buy one, but be glad they're an option.

>>16930077

even intel admit they wont be able to compete with AMD until 2021 at the earliest, they need an entire die shrink to compete, buy a x570 MSI tomahawk (its brand new and performs brilliantly, at a competitive price for a mobo that will last you a long fucking time, shits on every mobo except at the extreme top end range, we're talking it competes with mobos 3x the price), and a 3700x/3800x with some new corsair ram. the CPU comes with a cooler that will work just fine on it, you dont OC AMD cpus anymore, you OC your ram instead.

Upgrade ur cpu to 2021s AMD range when it comes if you want a beastly cpu, their current range is great, new cpus are coming out soon, but ur wasting ur money to buy them now.

You COULD just buy the x570 tomahawk now and wait the ~3months or so for AMD's latest 2020 release cpus to come out and buy one of them if you like. Buy ram later this year too if you want, the prices will remain steady most likely.

>>16930172

You might be right about 2022, but I doubt it'd be as bug ridden as you fear. It's not the 90s.. or even the 00s. There are too many standards and libraries to follow by nowadays. PC GPUs are basically variations on the same idea. Hell, Intel snatched up half of AMD's Radeon crew, so the expertise isn't something out of left field either.

I admit that I have AMD envy, but I'll probably stick with Intel indefinitely. It's more about ecosystem than the raw power of cpus for me. I use U.2 on my boot drive, for example (I also just like Intel's RST software in general. I'm used to it). Ain't really a good option on AMD, unless you go threadripper with U.2 ports.

>>16861385

I have shittons of external drives anyway since I ran out of SATA ports

>>16861174

>buyin

I just fell for the RTX meme and got an RTX 2070 and it's fucking glorious

>upgradin

I might see about getting a high speed NVME SSD eventually but my SATA one still works fine and has a lot of space.

>sellin

Selling my GTX 970 to my buddy sometime later.

>usin

Intel i7 8700K 3.7ghz like a good goy, some Asrock mobo that my friend sold me alongside the CPU and RAM when he went to AMD, EVGA RTX 2070 Super, 32GB DDR4, 2TB WD Blue SSD, and an Ultra HD Blu-Ray drive because why not? Using a 27' Asus 1440p 144hz monitor with a secondary basic Dell 1080p monitor, a six year old Logitech G400s, a Unicomp Model M, and a basic Logitech 5.1 speaker system from like 2009 or so with a nice set of AKG reference headphones.

It's a bit overdone probably but it runs all vidya quite nice, even the ray-tracing memes and it'll emulate PS3 and Wii U games pretty good and it's also good enough to brute force any PS2 game I want to play with software rendering in PCSX2.

>>16930445

Nice. Last I checked, I couldn't seem to find anything.

>>16930181

then dont upgrade until late next year at the earliest, intel havent released a single thing worth buying since the first 9900k.

>>16930565

I don't really plan to anyhow. Just was curious what my options were down the line. As it is, my cpu will be fine for awhile (x299/7820x.. and even then, I could still upgrade to the newer i10 with this board). If the last gen of HEDT is anything to go by, I could probably hold on to this for a couple more years.

>BUYIN

27inch 1440p monitor, planar open back headphones when i find a good deal for a pair

>UPGRADIN

cpu (hyperthreading is a dogshit meme; i need more cores)

>SELLIN

old monitor (vg248qe)

>USIN

i5-7600k, 1070, 16gb @3ghz

>BUYAN

Looking for a non-SMR 4 to 6 TB HDD for general storage, as my current 1 and 2 TB drives are nearing capacity. Problem is, every manufacturer I would normally buy from has gone full (((merchant))), making it hard to find the right drive without paying 170% more than I need to.

Looking for a not-a-hundred-fucking-dollars ISA drive controller for one of my 486 towers, as the previous owner gutted it of necessary expansion cards before selling it at his garage sale. This can wait a while, because I have a whole other 486 in a desktop style case that out-performs it, yet seems to be allergic to CDROM drives. Strange.

>UPGRADAN

Not sure. Capacity, yeah, but I'm considering drive controllers and maybe internal USB 3 stuff for things like PATA and internal floppy adapters. Maybe, but not likely. Considering upgrading my RAM, but I have yet to run into issues with the 16GB that I currently have. Just getting restless, I guess.

>SELLAN

Nope.

>USAN

Same as I was closer to the beginning of the thread.

>>16919502

Office computers, the cheapest way is to get them secondhand after an office gets rid of them to upgrade, they will usually trash them or donate them. You can also buy them refurbished from the manufacturer, in which case they will be a bit more expensive, but will also have all their parts, including a legit copy of (often) Windows 7.

You'll still probably want some upgrades, but it means you get a functional machine right from the start. In terms of prebuilts, you usually can't beat an office pc when you're evaluating by price and power.

>>16931371

TXMicro used to be my go-to for office computers on the cheap, but they seem to be completely out of stock as far as systems go. I used to recommend them to customers when I worked for AT&T, as a means of cheaply acquiring a not-shit computer for the purposes of backing up their phones, updating the software, or general use. Back then, you used to be able to get a decent Dell system for $125 shipped.

>>16931371

Agreed, but like I said in >>16919594 you need to be wary of dinky SFF cases, and even a lot of m-ATX size cases with motherboards missing PCIe 16x slots, drive bays, sometimes even using wonky proprietary PSUs. There are plenty of normal office PCs, but also an increasing number that are best avoided.

>>16930109

Pretty good. I believe both https://nonelectronics.com/ or https://store.kitsch-bent.com/ have screens and the tools needed to install them. I've never backlit the color, but the newer DMG screens are just a simple solder job.

>>16929794

Can't speak for all of those, but Mordhau worked pretty great when I made a few tweaks to some nonessential settings, like easing anti aliasing, and again, shadows.

Why do shadows absolutely kill performance in new games by the by? Antialiasing I kinda get but shadows doesn't seem like it should have much of an impact as it should going from medium to high/ultra