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No.425134
>>425133
No I want to know if running a game is feasible using the built in dice.
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No.425135
>>425134
Yes, you could run a game using the post numbers in the corner even without that but you still should not because people need to learn normie tier stuff before aspiertier
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No.425139
Alright then what is a good D&D edition to start with?
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No.425143
>>424406
I know that alignment is a controversial topic but it doesn't seem like a particularly hard concept to grasp. Yes, WotC gave up on it and oversimplified its explanation. However, reading Gygax's explanation of the alignments and reading about the Pantheon of the setting with their alignments made it pretty easy to understand. Ignoring the application to PCs, alignment seems like a very helpful tool for creating NPCs yet the mechanic is often demonized as outdated.
On that note, are Communists Chaotic aligned? They are actively pushing for the collapse of society in favor a theoretical society that is unsustainable and goes against human nature. I would go as far say they are CE.
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No.425155
>>425143
Well, trying to apply the 9-point moral compass to a political ideology shows up pretty well why it's not a good idea. You could just as easily call communists Lawful Evil, because they're trying to impose strict laws on the populace, or Neutral Evil, because they all think they're going to be the commissar and that's a good place to be. Someone so inclined could even put them on the Good end because they're obsessed with righting social injustices.
The Chaotic-Lawful/Good-Evil matrix only works on individuals, or races that the GM (or fantasy tradition) has designated as "kill these ones" or "don't kill these ones". It's there to facilitate the Sword of Orc Whacking doing +2 damage against Evil, not as shorthand for actual morality. Trying to apply it to more nuanced villains than necromancers laughing maniacally as they tear the hearts out of infants is just asking for arguments at the table.
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No.425165
>>425155
>You could just as easily call communists Lawful Evil, because they're trying to impose strict laws on the populace,
LE are mostly rooted in traditions, culture, or a perceived social hierarchy. Forcing people to whatever you say isn't exclusive to the Law alignment.
>or Neutral Evil, because they all think they're going to be the commissar and that's a good place to be.
Yet they chose to be a commie instead of a crime lord.
>Someone so inclined could even put them on the Good end because they're obsessed with righting social injustices.
That is called ignorance and naivety but there are limits before it becomes willful ignorance.
>The Chaotic-Lawful/Good-Evil matrix only works on individuals, or races that the GM (or fantasy tradition) has designated as "kill these ones" or "don't kill these ones".
Yes, I'm treating communists as a faction rather than just ideology.
>not as shorthand for actual morality. Trying to apply it to more nuanced villains than necromancers laughing maniacally as they tear the hearts out of infants is just asking for arguments at the table.
Whether they view themselves as good or bad doesn't matter. Not every action needs to be motivated by those two words. Is someone technically evil if he only became because he drew the Balance card? It is just a shorthand. All Liches are Evil aligned. Vampires are generally Lawful Evil.
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No.425166
>>425155
This. I've had the same discussion in my head about alignments not being applicable to real world ideologies, and communism especially being problematic. Especially since the main stream kosher textbook alignment of Nazis would be Lawful Evil, how would commies' alignment differ from it?
>>425165
>LE are mostly rooted in traditions, culture, or a perceived social hierarchy. Forcing people to whatever you say isn't exclusive to the Law alignment.
Commies have a social hierarchy, and nowadays as communism is over 100 years old, they even have a tradition with heroes like Lenin, Mao, etc. They have a cultural doctrine of oppressors and the oppressed. Maybe on larger scale you could call them chaotic though, since communism tends to lead eventually to chaos, and communists get power by subverting already existing nations. Their doctrines too tend to be contradictory, i.e. chaotic, so I suppose there is some logic to your claim that commies are chaotic. Still I think it gets a bit too complicated and contrived to try to force D&D alignments on communism.
Are planning on running a game with communists as the bad guys, or is this merely an academic excercise?
>Yet they chose to be a commie instead of a crime lord.
Not an argument. Generally ruling a communist nation gives you more power than being a crime lord, and of course it depends on your opportunities. Certain circumstances lead to different outcomes and professions.
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No.425169
>>425166
Chaos Cultists in 40k have been around for a long time too, but that doesn't mean that the traditions and social hierarchy they have established makes them Lawful Evil, by D&D's wonky alignment standards.
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No.425176
>>425166
>Are planning on running a game with communists as the bad guys, or is this merely an academic excercise?
I'm just organizing my thoughts. I wanted to do some writing to help me cope with this depressing boredom. It is a theoretical faction in a most likely not to be finished story. I plan on using "allegories".
Part of it was humoring a funny idea that I had about historical figures as "Heroic Spirits". I thought about it and wondered "Is there anyone important that was too much of a dick to be even given the 'cautionary tale' exception?". The Nazi were involved in the 3rd Holy Grail War so I didn't want to think about Hitler. Then there is Karl Marx. He can't be a Heroic Spirit because he is a net negative to the world and he can't be turned into an "Anti-Hero" because some people still idolize him. However using a similar exception as Angra Mainyu and Assassin, a wraith representing an exaggerated embodiment of the evils of Marxism became an Avenger class servant. Also, Pinochet is a Rider class because free helicopter rides.
>Maybe on larger scale you could call them chaotic though, since communism tends to lead eventually to chaos, and communists get power by subverting already existing nations. Their doctrines too tend to be contradictory, i.e. chaotic, so I suppose there is some logic to your claim that commies are chaotic. Still I think it gets a bit too complicated and contrived to try to force D&D alignments on communism.
That is the general idea that I was trying to convey. I just see them similarly to a cult.
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No.425212
>>425139
>5e
Casual trash, 0 interesting fluff. This is the first game I played.
>4e
Don't.
>3.5e
Shit balance (caster superiority), but some people like it. I've never played it.
>2e
Decent system, but some content removed and has a useless DMG. This is the second and last I played. Lots of fluff and good campaign settings.
>1e
Haven't played it myself, but Gygax put a lot of passion into this one and filled the DMG with a lot of useful stuff. Has fluff but not as much as 2e. I use the DMG content mostly.
>OD&D
This is supposedly the best version, though I can't really say. If you do play this, get the rules encylcopedia, and that will have everything you need to play it.
Now that's if you actually want the D&D experience. If you're asking what edition you should start with I'm assuming you know little about it, so my question is what do you want out of your game?
Dungeons & Dragons is very much geared towards dungeon crawling, micromanagement, steady progression, gold as XP, etc. Which is fine, but it ignores other elements completely or tries to by making simple mechanics to get them over and done with quickly. For example, the reaction system, having all social interaction be decided by charisma checks. Although this is a problem with most OSR games.
When I run D&D type games, I usually run a very homebrewed Basic Fantasy RPG. I pull things from AD&D 2e, 1e, ACKS, and Dungeon Crawl Classics. But that's the beauty of OSR, the systems are all very compatible and require little adjustment to be applied to your game.
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No.425213
What's a good game for emulating the type of adventures you might see in a fairy tale or folk tale?
Something with an emphasis on characters, people, and their interactions with the unknown. I understand that you can theoretically use any fantasy system to achieve this by keeping characters at low levels and limiting the scope of the adventure, but I would like a level-less system that outright encourages this. This way everything's kept on a less grand scale and one can focus on the story instead of looking for the next big stack of XP.
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No.425237
>>425212
Is the faggot that wrote that tl;dr shit aware that 3.5 Fighters/Barbarians could simply one shot a wizard simply by taking the initiative?
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No.425238
>>425166
>how would commies' alignment differ from it?
That's the funny ting with marxism. It combines the worst elements from all alignments.
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No.425239
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No.425252
>>425237
Why is the Fighter/Barbarian rolling for initiative anyway? How did he even get in here without getting gangraped by 30 Balors or all the permanent magical traps? Have you ever played over level 6?
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No.425257
>>425212
The rules cyclopedia is not OD&D, its a conpiled mentzer basic D&D. OD&D is its own thing. The three brown books and its suppliments.
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No.425265
>>425252
>implying summons weren't completely useless
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No.425290
>>425265
>I have no idea what a spellcaster can actually summon and/or bind
Just stop now before you make yourself look even more foolish.
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No.425291
>>425237
How did you even get into the same plane as me, asshole?
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No.425305
>>425290
I am next to the P'sHB and the MM, faggot, make my fucking day!
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No.425318
>>425305
Well, I hope you've got a good Will save and can resist the temptations of a wily disguised succubus. A 21 is rough, but not too bad to pass. You might have some magic items that boost your saves, so out come the pixies to spam Dispel Magic on all your shit. If I wanted to be a real asshole, I'd call up an Efreeti and make a Wish that your mother died from AIDS before you were ever born - that one might fuck me over, but at least you would have never existed. If I'm in a good mood and I want to watch you put up a fight, I'd summon a Bebilith to web, grapple, and poison you until you shit blood out of the holes where your eye sockets used to be.
What are you gonna do about it, faggot? Hit me real hard?
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No.425450
>>425143
>On that note, are Communists Chaotic aligned?
The answer to this is: It depends.
Moorcock gets brought up more, but the stronger influence in early D&D is in some way closer to the Anderson proposal, and then heavily modified with Tolkienisms. The conflict of Law vs. Chaos, as proposed with Anderson, is different in different worlds. In the "magical" world with elves and shit, Law is represented by human civilization, while Chaos is represented by fae creatures. On the other hand, in the "mundane" world, there are no tangible, magical forces of Chaos - just people.
The meaning: In his journey to another realm, Holger Carlson battles the forces of Chaos by fighting off an actual army with a magic sword. In the "normal" world, he fights off a single ambush. Huge gap, but both pivotal in turning the tides. The Nazis are portrayed as Chaotic in Arneson - whereas almost everywhere else declares them to be Lawful Evil - because the aggressive expansion across Europe and destabilization of the world system is Chaotic. But they're not the only force of Chaos - just the strongest at the time. The slowly growing USSR is the next step. In more subtle forms, Chaos is spread everywhere in the world, slowly eating away and decaying society. In short, Lawful is 1950s Anglo-American neoliberalism (capitalism, democracy, civil rights, etc.) as well as its monarchist predecessors, while Chaotic is everything else.
>>425213
Look up Beyond the Wall; it does a lot of the thing you're looking for. It is, however, a standard class and level system (though the game playbooks encourage you to mix-and-match classes to fit certain character concepts, within reason).
>>425212
>>425139
Short Answer: B/X, RC, or a retro-clone.
Long Answer:
1E AD&D DMG is a must-have for any edition of D&D.
4E is a tactical skirmishing game. It is not D&D, and should not be used to play D&D with (not that you can't, but that there's no point). But it is a good skirmishing game.
3E is a character creation system released for use with Microsoft Excel. You can optionally use it to try and run D&D games, but for actually playing games, it's a strictly inferior option.
5E is a compilation of 3E and 4E rules and a few new adjustments, and informed a bit by older D&D, in an attempt to create a system for playing D&D. It has bits of character building (but is worse at it than 3E), tactical skirmishing (but is worth than it than 4E), and actual role-playing (but is worse at it than D&D). It is the current edition, and thus popular, but there is nothing 5E does that another system is not strictly better at.
2E is a cleaned up 1E, and 1E is OD&D with a bunch of useless rules Gygax never actually used, and some that he regretted even making, which was put together for the sole purpose of tournament standardization. These can be used to play D&D, but I recommend just reading the 1E DMG and using it with something else.
B/X or BECMI (Rules Cyclopedia) are ones you're going to see recommended a lot. B/X is probably the closest to "best" for people new to things. ACKS, a modern OSR system, is probably the best "fork" of B/X that you can run, as it incorporates tasteful bits of character customization (though a bit more than I prefer) as well as having good end-campaign content. This is all good introductory stuff to get to play the game. These are all good D&D editions to start with.
OD&D is D&D. It is also a bit of a mess. Delving Deeper is a decent retro-clone, but does some strange things. 7 Voyages is a very flavorful retro-clone that diverges a bit, but does so in a good way. You can run OD&D straight as-is, and this is very fun - but you need to be very good at making stuff up on the fly. It's generally better to not think of OD&D as a complete game, but rather as a template from which you'll diverge and create your own campaign. If you take this route, you'll want to also talk with other people, ask questions, and look up some of the OSR primers. This is the first and final form of playing D&D.
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No.425588
Like 6 months ago, there was a resource online, with every single monster from every single official book/monster manual/supplement for AD&D 2ed. It was very handy, and I used it. And, like a fucking idiot, I didn't find a way to download it. I assumed since it's AD&D 2ed, it's pretty much safe, since nobody cares about it.
Obviously, I was wrong, and it is now gone. Hasbro lawyers? Owner getting bored? Technical issues? No clue. The closest thing I found is some .narod.ru site that spams ads, and only has monsters from the Monstrous Manual.
Asking for an off chance that someone had it stored.
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No.425630
>>425588
Are you talking about Lomion? You can still access it through the Wayback machine. I think the owner probably just pulled the plug after having the website open for like 20 years.
https://web.archive.org/web/20180818101532/http://lomion.de/cmm/_contents.php
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No.425650
So, I suck at making maps and I have troubles coming up with the design of the map of a mansion from Spain in the postwar 50s, mostly because I don't know how a village and a mansion should be structured like.
Could you help me? google isn't helping much.
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No.425742
I've never played a tabletop RPG before, but I'm really wanting to. I don't have any IRL friends that would be interested or have any experience doing it, and I don't want to drive into town to find play in person with neckbeards.
Is there a viable way to find a group to play with online as a /tg/-virgin without going to reddit?
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No.425743
>>425742
There's a game finder thread in the bunker.
Or you can post in >>308013, and wait for the site to not completely shit the bed for an extended amount of time, and see if anons start to come back.
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No.425772
Other than Dark Sun's Kalidnay, are there any official examples of a Demiplane of Dread's remains on their original plane?
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No.425814
>>424413
>>424417
What would be a reasonable explanation of a physical object not throwing a shadow?
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No.425815
>>425814
It's actively emitting light that's precisely tuned to eliminate any shadows it's casting.
Or it's just perfectly transparent and invisible, and somehow inserting a similarly-shaped substitute image into the perception of any observers.
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No.425816
>>425814
It's giving off light in all directions.
It's in complete darkness.
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No.425874
Does the Imperium of Man have any UAVs to go with their artillery?
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No.425889
>>425880
What's wrong with this place, why switch to some shady one?
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No.425891
>>425889
>>425880
Nevermind, I wasn't aware what whas happening for the past few months. My bad.
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No.425892
>>424413
Traditionally for 1e-3.5- No, as the explanation for this s that as they did not have souls- they cast no reflection because mirrorworld is a door to the spirit world, so they weren't present there- see Ravenloft.
But then This fucker rolls in- as well as Complete divines explanation for why most vampires are CE retarded- their souls get replaced by a malignant intelligence that acts in place of a soul.
Anyway, Mordoc Lensenmare has a reflection, but it's just a Pooling figure of darkness- and down to the fact he's a Vampire lord from the battle of bones that as a Vampire lord, kept his law/chaos axis so his little fake soul is visible in the mirror or something.
Basically, normal vampires are a no for souls, powerful vampires may have a dark shadow or warped malicious thing that reveals their true spiritual reflection, causing their revulsive reaction to reflections.
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No.425894
>>424736
Aside of >>424740 there was "Dangerous Times: Muckrakers and Magic in old New York"
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No.425897
I finally found you and I feel stupid because It seems like the site has been on for a few months already.
Anyway I'm glad to see you all again.
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No.425900
>>425897
see >>425880 and >>421899
we are sitting on /a/s bunker as it is not a broken piece of garbage
chrow is bo there too
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No.425901
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No.425906
>>425874
Maybe would be better in 40k thread.
Short answer: it depends on what you would consider:
"unmanned" (servitor pilots are used),
"aerial" (small stuff with very modest speed and altitude is abound, some with weapon and sensor packages, see servoskulls and firewasp) and
"vehicle" (cyberconstructs like grapplehawk are known, as well as cyborgized critters).
A techpriest can remotely control constructs and servitors like his own body, but electronic warfare is bad for broadband connections, so it's not very useful on battlefields.
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No.426010
What could swap dwelling lizardfolk export that humans would want?
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No.426011
>>426010
Bog iron, gator jerky/meat, old sarrukh/old one artefacts, domesticated hydra, (food source, dragon bait, possible army maker) various toxins and venoms, passage through their territories, guides for the lay of the land, darktentacles (a reviewed shop in the realms has one in a basket in a store). Shed lizard skins (spell components) bottled firefles. Also, possibly song and dance- if the local regions religion is reciprocated through vigilance of an active Coatual in the region. Shamanistic nick-knacks, wood carvings, minor magical items made with ease because tribal magics, and mud golems (which are a thing, but obscure) and of course, ecology dependant herbs for use in alchemy, and healing; bloodroot- which is basically ginger, but a narcotic for vampires if they ingest it, possibly having other properties.
And according to a quick google search for 'swamp exports'- animal skins & logging. As they're lizard man and have affinity with reptiles, they can easily make certain hide armours others cannot, and they may/may not have trade relations with Yuan-ti. But asides from that, here's some of the reddit posts which I snagged.
>It is a seasonal swamp? Do due rainfall do the flood plains rise and fall? Cypress trees, poisons and medicines, Catfish which can grow to enormous sizes making both a casual as well as sport hunting game. Aligators if the water gets warm enough, Salt farms if the sea is close and the high and low tides are extreme enough and during the correct season and alignment of the sun and moon.
Then the fishing is of a totally different type as the salient levels from the river become flush with all the salt from the ocean.
Salt is super valuable in any D&D based setting- it's the meat of most spellcasting endeavours in crafting and conjuration- at least until you need things like bone dust, if you were say, planning on conjuring Demogoron up. Swamps also are the habitat of black dragons, aka PC's first dragon kill & potential boss fights, and the mention of catfish has me thinking of slaver-caste Aboleth & their Skum.
>Almost certainly reeds, which can be woven into all kinds of light-weight things, hats, baskets, etc. Not a high price export, but they have an unlimited supply. And if they have the right kind of reeds, they can make paper, which is way more cost effective then vellum.
>Alligator skin! Lots of fish. Bark, leaves, roots, sap, fruits and flowers of swamp trees. Fungi. Snails and shellfish. Rubber. Certain trees might be especially weather resistant or good for shipbuilding. Stylish haircuts. Swamp wine. Honey. Bird feathers. Arboreal birds and mammals that are considered delicacies. Clay. Synergy.
Fungi is good, it always offers open use of myconid/mushroom species to a setting, and they, never get enough love outside of the say, the underdark. Shellfish equal chuul, and there's possibly a slave-trade behind that. Clay has shittons of uses, but I'll just mention golems and figurines for now.
Peat, Pitch & coal, Rice and SUGAR, and natural gases, some magical- there's probably been a few of these in D&D for swamps/wetlands
Now, how much the lizardmen make use of is up for debate, as in terms of D&D, they went from big-brain wizard-lizards who could just pull crap outta the weave at whim, building awesome lava-running strongholds with unique golems, enslavement of dragonkind, statis pods, and a few other neat things, to swamp-dwellers under the thrall of a ruling force, like a black dragon.
As for active regional powers/monsters well, there may be blighters about, and hags, but as it's D&D, we've got giant amphibians, spawn of juiblex, contents from the demiplane of filth, leftover temples to aztec murder gods, the old ones, yuan-ti stronghold/nests, coatual temples, black dragons, a small druid circle, a necromancer, oozes, trolls, maybe a reclusive wizard in a sunken tower, clay, bog or swamp mummies, werealigators/crocodiles, bet your ass a few ghouls, stirges, probably a cancer mage bcause Mosquito-AIDS, Will'o wisps, snakes, leeches and possibly Kyuss spawn, troglodytes/mutated hilbilly people.
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No.426012
>>426011
Thanks.
My idea was a Black Dragon and the kingdom that surrounds the swamp have begrudgingly made some kind of peace: The dragon realizes it's fucked as soon as it leave the cover the swampland yet the swamp is too much of a bog for the kingdom to invade or destroy. The dragon is officially deemed Count of the swamp and gets to sleep while its lizardmen serfs do the work and earn it a tidy bed of gold.
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No.426013
>>426012
3.5 Monster manual IV or V has lizardman.black dragon hybrids? I think? I've forgotten. I will note that I recall one of the NWN1 modules, possibly darkness over dggerford having a lizrdman village patron to a black. I also have a variant rule for blackdragon swamp concealment from 3.5, I'll post it later.
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No.426015
Is there a reason why the mtg thread isn't bumping properly?
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No.426017
>>426015
First guess is because it's over the bump limit. Second is that this place is broken as hell and it's a waste of time to be here and not on the bunker.
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No.426048
>>425814
Soul is a requirement for a shadow being cast.
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No.426063
Good option for cheap models of generic fantasy females of decent quality? All the cheap models I know about are historical wargaming ones.
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No.426064
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No.426065
>>426064
28mm that are under a buck when purchased unassembled, unpainted in bulk?
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