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>>422295

Something that costs way too much.

>>422298

>6CMC

>Hard cast

>Tapping

>Discard

>Sack

>Creature without haste

>Only sorcery speed

They literally checked everything on a list to make this card as unplayable as possible.

It's even shit in EDH and that's not easy to do.

Fuck I'm mad, how can one card be this badly designed?

>>422300

Because the rest of the design team doesn't understand MaRo's design theory of strong emotions. With him being hands off with core sets like he is, he's not there to remind them that jank has to be useful in corner cases or be interestingly bad.

>>422310

She might be a human instead of a mood rabbit.

>>422304

That's another thing, M20's powerlevel is up there with those Leyline reprints, and then this card makes a mockery out of it too.

Sage for ventposting.

>>422310

What's the deal with the phrasing "up to one target creature gets" instead of just "target creatures gets"?

>>422337

So it can be activated even when there is no creature on board so she can get a counter.

>>422342

> she will gain loyalty just from you paying enough attention to her

Oh my

>>422344

That's been standard for Planeswalkers since Planeswalkers were a thing.

>>422295

>>422298

Limited bomb, maybe

>>422347

Anon.... you're not very romantic are you?

>>422348

>Limited bomb, maybe

An 6CMC hard-cast artifact that gives you a 5/5 flying demon for paying 2 life, tapping it, discarding a card and sacking a creatures but only while it's your turn without haste will not be a limited bomb.

>>422348

Unless there is some kind of unspoilt synergy card to make it not shit it won't even see play in kids draft.

>>422355

>>422353

>Any card that costs 5cc or 6cc should win you the game on its own

>It does

>5/5 with evasion every turn

>Turns every card drawn into a fatty, making shitty lategame land drops into threats

>>422360

The only time what you're describing should be happening is in draft. In constructed if your decks best use of 6 mana is on one artifact that you can sac one creature per turn to gain a creature that wouldn't be viable if it was in your deck at 6 cmc then you've built a bad deck. In draft it could work because a 5/5 flyer every turn from turn 6 onward is legitimately difficult to deal with if they drafted poorly or their decks gimmick hasn't fired off in time.

One of the principles I have for determining if a card is worthwhile is to think "Is there any deck I have or know about that could be improved by including this card" and I can't think of one. Could a deck be built around this card, sure, it could be a fun little flavorful deck to play casually with, black white demon/human deck with the idea being that you're sacrificing white weenies to summon demons but a fun deck is not always a good deck.

>>422361

Yeah. Like I said, limited bomb.

>>422363

It's not really a bomb if it's conditional on your opponents deck not working

>>422360

>Turns every card drawn into a fatty, making shitty lategame land drops into threats

Except it doesn't, you also need to sac a creature. If it was just discard it might have been good, but it requires you to 2 for 1 yourself. So it's not even good in limited.

>>422366

>Forgot about the sacrifice part

Goddamn it really is a hot garbage fire

>>422295

It’s utter shit.

>>422375

Obviously, numbnuts. We've already talked that point to death. You got something new and useful to add?

>>422408

You mean, you're acquiring a NM Badlands for 30% in cash and the rest in cards? Then yes. Badlands is a reserve list card, so it'll never be reprinted, and it's only a matter of time before a collector buys it out and artificially inflates the price. Shocks and fetches are reprinted, even if rarely so, and are thus logically poorer "investments."

I hate that I know this.

>>422419

No cash is being exchanged. It's the base value in cards + 30% extra card value. I'm probably going to do it.

>>422420

Itll still inflate, it will just take a bit longer for a return. See if you can get away with 18% or 25%. If they're the ones selling it, see if you can politely negotiate. Its guaranteed value, why are they getting rid of it? If theyre trying to liquidate it they should give you a deal. If theyre trying to profit, they shouldn't be so greedy. Etc. But still be polite and dont push it, you should try to acquire it anyways.

Not that anon

>>422424

>that forge

Cool. Could it get a home in Modern? It's almost a future sight for artifacts.

>>422407

That hammer goes great in any "equipment matters" EDH deck, like Arahbo.

>>422433

>it's "on color" to artifacts and Eldrazi.

That's the only thing I dislike about the card, flavorwise Eldrazi doesn't make any sense.

It's a forge, not a breeding vessel or something.

>>422467

Because red decks needed even more tools. Jesus, I know what I'm running again

Hogaak is currently going strong in modern. If the deck is going to get killed by WotC, it'll happen in the next few weeks. Having said that, there are a lot of strong equipment cards being put into standard. If sfm does get a reprint, I'm curious how strong she would be?

>>422470

Well the obvious use for Thunderkin Awakener is Enters the Battlefield effects, effects that sac/weaken the elemental and Ball Lightning type elementals. Wonder what good options there are there.

>>422472

https://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/185669153448/there-isnt-even-a-bit-of-mark-rosewater-in-the

>>422471

*unban

>>422474

That is also why absolute garbage like >>422295 got printed too, tho. Markymark is a double edged sword. The sets he leads are consistently the most bland (except for Innistrad, but you know broken clocks twice a day) but they also don't ever have cards that make Homelands look good.

>>422482

>if MaRo was at the helm we wouldn't have any bad cards!

How embarrassing. I hope you're doing it for free right now.

>>422295

It's clearly a limited/draft finisher, turning a land in hand and an uneeded weenie into a 5/5 with evasion. It's not amazing but it will end a game in a format with not many ways to answer that.

>>422490

The thing is, you could've made it actually useful outside of limited too.

Gave the token haste and no tapping of the artifact for example.

>>422490

if it were just discard or just sacrifice, it'd be a limited finisher. But it's both and it won't ever be an early pick for anyone with the skill to actually top 8.

>>422485

Your hateboner is showing. MaRo makes bad cards, definitely. Only a faggot would think I even implied that. But the bad cards he makes are either bland or only playable in corner cases. Never bland and unplayable under any conditions.

>>422498

I kinda like it actually. It's not a good card by any stretch, but I think it's a neat, flavorful design. At least one kid will be happy to get this and build a deck around making cool demons.

>>422482

>i don't want sets full of good cards if they have a single bad card in them

ONE middling uncommon in a set full of otherwise interesting cards is the law of averages, not designers running away from the kike's embrace.

>Hating on the slow, 6cc, 2-for-1 card disadvantage engine

fuck you I'll make a deck with it

>>422501

>>422506

Shit this bad wouldn't have made the cut even in Fallen Empires, it has no place is current year Magic and you fucking know it.

>>422518

Eat 30 flavors of dick, niggerfag. Apologizing for a steaming turd at the buffet table because the roast beef next to looks good is the epitome of bootlicking.

>>422518

Yep, none of those are two for ones with life cost on a late game chassis. All shit cards, but still better than the altar.

>>422422

Thanks for the advice, ended up going with a better deal for a Taiga and Savannah at around 15-20%ish markup.

>>422518

Except Rainbow Vale is actually useful in Zedruu EDH.

>>422535

I am annoyed that some of y'all are forgiving this shit that would not have been printed if the kike in chief wasn't out of the office jerking off to the next Mtg plane to get raped into a D&D setting. It is the worst card to see print in ages, and there are bootlickers in this thread going "but it might be useful in limited!".

>Hating on colored artifacts

Why would any one hate colored artifacts?

>>422543

How the fuck am I a bootlicker? Cards that generate continuous threats are limited bombs.

>>422543

>y'all

And here I was wondering what kind of faggot you were. Thank you for answering that riddle.

>bad cards wouldn't be printed if our lord and saviour King Kike was here!

Yes they would, and we wouldn't even have any of the interesting cards from this set to compensate for them. Take your fucking meds and go to sleep. It's one card.

>>422536

WE

>>422544

>Cards that generate continuous threats are limited bombs.

You pay 2 life, discard a card and sacrifice a creature.

That's not continuous by any means, that's very limited mixed with a heavy trade-off.

By no means a limited nor draft finisher, by the time this card is played and used you're already down some life and your board state is such that you're either winning or don't have the creatures/cards to sacrifice.

If the demon was a 7/7 flying haste one could argue, but a 5/5 flyer token is shit for 6CMC, 2 life, discard and a sack.

>>422543

>why would anyone hate on colored artifacts?

Because they blur the mechanical identity of artifacts and enchantments. The only difference being that artifacts can tap and be Shattered, and enchantments can be Demystified.

>the worst card to see print in ages

It does something unique. That makes it better than every "skill testing" piece of shit limited card.

>>422563

>If the demon was a 7/7 flying haste one could argue

Oh now I get it. You want cards that do everything. No wonder you hate this thing, it doesn't immediately win the game.

>>422565

>It does something unique.

Being exceptionally bad is not something to be proud of.

>Oh now I get it. You want cards that do everything.

No, I want cards that give at least equal value back for a trade.

You pay 6CMC, ok then, it's a late-game card.

Paying 2 life late game will be risky if I'm losing (else I wouldn't need to play this card anyway) but it's nothing out of the ordinary and manageable.

Sacrificing a creature too? Meh you get a 5/5 flyer for it.

Also discarding a card, making it hard to reuse this ability again? Now I won't be playing it outside of limited.

Wait, it taps for it, so only once each turn? I hope my opponent has nothing to block flyers.

Oh, no haste on the token, got to survive another turn (let's hope it doesn't get removed).

At least I can play it as an interrupt when one of my creatures gets remo...oh.

For this card to be useful you'd need to be in an already advantageous position, so it's definitely not a game winner.

Neither can you use it as a sacrifice outlet like Goblin Bombardment, Fling, Ashnod's Altar or any other card that turns creatures into value as an interrupt.

Being late-game material chances of you having lots of cards in hand are slim unless you're playing blue.

So unless you're in a good position to take hits and your opponent has no flyers or reachers this card will not win you the game.

It's objectively shit.

>>422567

You can get more than one flyer out of it at least, so you can turn useless 1/1 tokens or mana dorks into a 5/5 with evasion, more than once.

>>422567

If every card generates value, then we'll be in an arms race to outdo Ancestral Recall. Bad cards need to exist.

>>422591

At the cost of 2 cards and life it doesn't generate value.

>>422590

>You can get more than one flyer out of it at least

Only one per your turn because it taps and it's sorcery speed.

Unless you got some untapping effects it'll stay at one per turn.

>so you can turn useless 1/1 tokens or mana dorks into a 5/5 with evasion, more than once.

There's where you're wrong, besides the need to sac a creature it also requires a discard, and combining with the tapping ensures that only one 5/5 flyer can be produced late-game each turn or that your engine has steam to begin with because late-game hands tend to be small.

>>422591

>If every card generates value, then we'll be in an arms race to outdo Ancestral Recall. Bad cards need to exist.

EVERY card needs to generate value, the question is how much.

Like, a 2/2 haste for 2CMC gives more value than a 2/2 without haste for 2CMC, but the latter one is still value.

The over-discussed artifact on the other hand gives diminishing returns for paying 6CMC late game while requiring you to pay a lot to generate one 5/5 flying at sorcery speed.

I am so happy there are a few [fuck terrible red Timmy players] so much.

Because fuck red so much.

It's such a skill vacant type of play style.

Makes sense who plays it and is considered one of the best players in the world.

Though repeated reverberation should be [RRRR] and not [2RR]

>>422536

>hidden hand

>KANG

Nope. That's the bitch of the king doing the kings shit work. (((GOT))) got it wrong and made hand of the king have power.

>>422470

>DAT

>red shitter

Fuck off nigger.

>>422600

He looks like he's from Paliano the plane from the Conspiracy supplements. So he probably had a lot of influence since the whole world is nothing but scheming backstabbing cunts.

>>422612

>fucking control fags

Don't play control.

You play a fucking solved deck type where only the absolute highest of the high has any decision making. At all. This can be seen on shit players' streams of MTGA for the for 25 days of a season they are gold and not playing red. Then they switch to red and get Mythic in a day or two.

>>422612

>Tibalt

>Matters

>thank god I now have an uncommon from a 54 old day set

Stop being a poorfaggot.

>>422617

Not that anon. The most expensive card in RDW got reprinted in a theme deck as a 4-of, so I can trounce faggots like you all day for under $60

>>422619

>he's a poorfaggot too

You don't seem to understand WOTC prints red's best cards so commonly to cater to low IQ brainlets such as yourself and the other poorfaggot.

I dunno man, I like to have to make decisions when I play. I like a deck with more choice than "GO FACE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"

Sigarda's aid plus the new Colossus Hammer looks like a modern-playable combo. One mana for the enchantment enabler, one for the hammer, and your creature gets 10+/10+. Maybe Infect wants it.

>>422628

Didn't know which decks would use it but I immediately knew the Colossus Hammer was responsible for the price spiking of Sigarda's Aid.

>>422620

>>422616

>it's another "draw-go superfriends player felates himself" episode

>he thinks having expensive cards makes him better somehow

I love out-valuing faggots like you

>>422628

>>422629

The art even has a hammer. Oh I'm laffin

>>422630

Except you don't. Maybe on initial spending, but not on wins nor on return.

It's hilarious how the game is being dumbed down and catered to browns and low IQ progressives who think REEEEEEEEEE GO FACE requires skill.

Let me know when you're as good as P. Sulli.

>>422624

>Combat math is hard

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>>422644

>make a new format that doesn't cost $1000 to get into

That's why they didn't do it. If a format isn't wildly expensive to get into, there's no reason for Wizards to support it. That's why there's hardly any Pauper support.

>>422644

What the fuck is historic?

>>422646

>https://mtg.gamepedia.com/Historic_(format)

It's WotC's way to say "fuck you Modern/Legacy players" and allow for their wet dream of how an actual Modern format should look like, that is with lots of low powerlevel and shitty cards.

Honestly it was to be expected, even MaRo can only Jew so hard now that the client is out of beta and a huge uproar of players that had paid for those cards which would now become useless once rotated out.

It spared them the hassle of adding all the previous cards they ever made.

>>422648

Oh I see, it's Arena-legacy

Why did Duels of the Planeswalkers die out and get replaced with Arena? I thought it was the same thing? Does this mean they'll be positioning Arena to usurp MTGO as their digital client?

>>422649

>Does this mean they'll be positioning Arena to usurp MTGO as their digital client?

The Arena client is much better and normie friendly.

>>422649

>Why did Duels of the Planeswalkers die out

Virtually nobody played it, so when they ditched it, only the 2 people that played it were pissed off.

>>422644

Why would I hate Arena? I can play without spending cash and interacting with people I hate. And considering the crappy cardboard that hasbro is using, I don't even miss the physical copies. My select kitchen table can suck my horrible proxies.

>>422617

Fag, do you think everyone plays only Modern all the time? Do you know how much I missed something that stops game stretching-life gain n T2? Go eat a dick, Tibalt matters and saccing him to hearthfire is pretty funny.

>>422649

>arena legacy

It's going to be Standard plus.

>>422645

>That's why there's hardly any Pauper support

Funny you should mention that: http://archive.fo/epDVS

>Pauper, the popular commons-only format, will be getting a facelift and official tournament support over the next several weeks as we move to unify the digital and paper versions of the format.

>The definition of Pauper legality is expanding to include any card with a common printing in any paper or digital set. If the card is listed as a common on Gatherer from any set, it is legal in Pauper. This will add cards to the format that were not previously legal on Magic Online.

>Due to the influx of new cards to Pauper, we will also be adding three cards to the Pauper banned list:

<Hymn to Tourach

<Sinkhole

<High Tide

I think most people who weren't cripplingly retarded already had a similar idea for the banlist, but it's nice to see the format being adopted officially. I'm not looking forward to the inevitable price spikes and Oubliette buyouts, though.

>>422688

>pauper support from WotC

Oh boy, I can't wait for my premium product full of broken commons.

>>422688

Why to people meme about Oubliette so much? It's a shitty card

>Still no Cry of the Carniariums in my collection or at the store

>It's the one card that will help my weekly UBR deck not shit the bed against aggro decks (sweep, no death triggers, exile)

>Have to keep suffering against BR decks this week

Maybe I'll just make something that's antimeta. For example, someone has a very strong UG Kamahl's deck that is resilient to disruption. Mistcaller would disrupt his combo, but it's a huge signal to not go off

>>422691

Because it's reserved list, meaning it's never getting a reprint.

>>422694

In the context of Pauper

>>422695

...Because it's reserved list. It's one of the few reserved list commons that might see actual play, given that it's a black oblivion ring.

>>422689

>Oh boy, I can't wait for my premium product full of broken commons.

So Masters 25?

>>422695

It's semi-playable in mono-black control, although the prevalence of Tron, Boros, and Delver in the meta for the last six months has meant traditional MBC has been anywhere from underpowered to unplayable. None of this matters to collectors, of course: they see a card being played as a 2-of on their netdecking websites, and that means it's buyout time because of the reserve list.

>>422702

Looks neat. Be sure to keep us posted as to whether o not the moxes are any good. I'd assume they aren't, but if you have experience with them then you'd know better.

>>422704

https://mtg.gamepedia.com/Reserved_List

Wrong, people keep bringing it up because some staff member confirmed a reprint.

>>422712

Well I managed to grab a 4th Saheeli and Narset, and a 3rd Hero of Precinct One, heading into the game night. I ended up with 3 moxes main and 2 Kaya's Wrath (in place of Ritual of Soots).

There were perhaps 2 or 3 games in total where the mox was relevant. More often, I'd be struggling on U/x colors and missing the last one to get a walker out and activate the mox. I think they're very good, but not quite ideal in a deck like this.

>>422612

The reprints are good and I'm liking it. Checks are going away, which means that games are going to slow down a bit. I'm curious as to which lands will get reprinted in the fall, because shocks have another year and some change left before rotate out as well. Fetches could get a reprint next core set and enemies fetches are in desperate need of one in a core set. The allied fast lands are in need of a reprint as well as they haven't seen a reprint since they were introduced back in scars.

All in all, I'm excited that core sets are getting good cards again. There are some duds, but that is to be expected. The artwork can be a bit hit or miss. Planeswalker deck Chandra looks much better than awakened inferno, who looks like a potato.

>>422748

Some of the art is good some of it is utter garbage. Overall tho, it looks like its rounding out to being a pretty fun set.

>>422748

Pretty generic, boring core set, tbh. Besides the leylines, for an eternal player, there's pretty much nothing.

>>422765

>looting ban

>will kill every gy deck

It's likely coming. Best prepare your anuses and get good. It'll push those decks back a turn, but it won't kill them. It wotc wants to slow modern down, then a lot of changes are coming.

>>422771

I'd also say that altar and looting are the most likely choices for a ban. Altar ban kills Hogaak's resilience and keeps it from quickly recovering in a turn and a looting ban keeps it from going off on turn 1. A looting ban also shits on phoenix, which is what people were calling for banning before Hogaak arrived.

>>422771

>won't kill them

Without Looting, what are graveyard decks supposed to play to get cards from their hand in their graveyard? Tormenting voice, Neonate and Cathartic Reunion? The decks are competitive due to the power of Looting. You won't see Looting-less Dredge, Vengevine, Hogaak, Hollow One and Phoenix in tourneys.

>I'd also say that altar and looting are the most likely choices for a ban

I think the most likely ban is Bridge from Below, which is one of my favorite cards.

>tfw still have a hundred copies of twin on mtgo

Think they'll finally set them free next month? Bans are often accompanied by unbans.

>>422774

> You won't see Looting-less Dredge, Vengevine, Hogaak, Hollow One and Phoenix in tourney

If the rest of the field gets slowed down to the same level, then you will. I have no idea how wotc is going to react on the 8th, but I have a feeling that a ban is coming, based on gp dallas/fw, and it's going to hit bridgevine in some way and that means looting is back on the chopping block. The next ban update is definitely going to be an interesting one and the salt is going to flow regardless if there are bans or not.

>>422775

Bridge is easy to deal with. Altar is the card to hit and looting is the card to hit if wotc wants to bring all of the gy decks down a notch. People bitched about phoenix, dredge, hollow one and now hogaak. They'll bitch about the next gy deck and looting will sure as shit be in that deck as a 4 of.

>>422776

I wouldn't mind seeing twin again and sfm might be neat. However, I doubt we'll ever see them in modern.

>>422780

>looting

I think you're underestimating how essential the card is to the current graveyard decks. A ban wouldn't just bring them down a notch, or a turn. If Wizards wants to get rid of it and not kill half the top tiers of the format, to keep these severly hurt decks competitive, they'd have to hurt many more decks. This seems unlikely to me, since the company is aware how bannings, especially mass-bannings, affect player interest. Too many people would get pissed off.

>>422788

Is it that bad? Narset's just good value and in a deck that isn't creature heavy, basically turns into a sorcery speed Divination over 2 turns. The draw effect is negligible in standard (it might hurt Krasis a bit).

Teferi is harder to judge. My area is small and full of poorfags, so there's one, maybe two people that have any (and they have 3-4 each). We get 10-12 turnout at the LGS every week. There's 1, maybe 2 decks in total running it here.

>>422790

I think Narset could be fine on her own in standard. You’re correct, she is just a divination (generally better div, since you get two action almost guaranteed).

Time raveler is the bigger problem. Like narset, he cycles, but he also affects the board. And he has a passive as well, that basically shuts counters out of standard.

They are both played in u/w/x control, which is set to continue to be the dominant control strategy. As a result, every deck is warped around these two. Teferi is bullshit in particular, since instant speed is such a powerful effect. The opponent can drop an early teferi, bounce your creature, cycle a card, and even if you have say a shock in hand you can’t do shit until next turn. The tempo loss is massive. And even if you are playing a slower deck, they can dump him early and just cycle off of him, and now your fucked out of instant speed unless you kill him. Oh, but he cycled, so he is an inherent 2-1 for you to get rid of him.

My main point is that as long as u/w/x control strategies remain viable, which it likely will, then the meta game will be the same shit over and over until the following rotation. Believe it or not, shutting out the ability to draw cards AND play at instant speed makes a stale, shitty format.

>>422791

Has there ever been a point when u/w/x control hasn’t been the dominant control deck? It largely ruled standard prior to little teferri and then he showed up in u/w. Part of me doesn’t want to see him go as he helps midrange decks survive. If he wasn’t around, standard would revert back to nothing but esper control again and that shit sucked if you weren’t playing control or hyper aggro as well.

>>422794

Mardu aristocrats? Too bad there isn’t a way to cheat it onto creatures in standard.

>>422793

My point isn't that it made u/w/x dominant, my point is that u/w/x running those two now necessitates every other deck build around those two effects at once. Want to play an arlight phoenix deck? Fuck you. Want to play with leyline of anticipation? Fuck you. Etc.

Main deckable cards restricting both card draw and instant speed play at the same time is bad for the format, period.

The dominant "midrange" deck is just esper running hero and bellhaunts. It's running most of the same crap as the esper control lists, it's a joke. Midrange was fine pre war anyway thanks to krasis.

>>422748

the colorless forge is good for colorless edh. I'm looking to pick up maybe 1 or 2 cards from the set, but I havent even bothered to spend money on WotS or MH, and this is even lower on the totem pole for me.

>>422808

Meant to include Ajani, Wise Counselor instead of Valiant Protector, but my point still stands.

>>422748

>>422808

Garruk's theme was hunting.

Elf was Nissa's theme until it was lands.

What is Vivien's theme?

>>422813

WE

>>422813

Stealing souls, like the nigger she is.

>>422813

I think she's supposed to an urban elf. I mean urban as in she's supposed to be a tough elf from the woods that's "seen some shit". Honestly, I don't care much for Nissa either. I'd much rather have them both be sacrificed for Freyalise's return.

>>422808

>it's ultimate sucks

Also, I hate the cancer that people applied to magic. It's not an "ultimate". This isn't a fucking moba. It's an activated loyalty ability that removes counters, and it just happens to cost the most.

>>422820

>calling it an "ultimate"

>not calling it a "Final Smash"

>>422820

>It's an activated loyalty ability that removes counters, and it just happens to cost the most

If only there was a way to say this with a single word.

>>422813

I think she's supposed to be a ranger/druid hybrid. With Nissa, they streamlined her to mostly working with elementals to reflect her "one with the land" motif. With Garruk, they shifted more towards animals that kill, hunt, live in packs, etc. I think the idea of the Arcbow is more of a catch-all than either. It's a neat distinction, but Vivien sucks so it doesn't shine.

To put it in DnD terms, they're all druids. Nissa picked land circle. Garruk picked moon circle. Vivien picked shephard circle and specced a few levels into ranger.

>>422808

I agree with you that Vivien is a bland, uninteresting character. Ironically, they have been trying to characterize her as a Steve Irwin type who cares about animals and goes "getta loada this beeeeuuuuuty!" Naturally they failed, since none of them can write worth a damn, as one anon chronicled in previous threads. She's the same nature-loving elf as every elf in MTG, except she's a frumpy brown nigger in addition to being a hippie.

I think she's also meant to be more violent than Nissa, but that isn't saying much ever since she was retconned into being a pussy. It also doesn't help distinguish her from the other angry brown women in nu-MTG.

>>422820

You're delusional if you think WotC doesn't take inspiration from ASSFAGGOTS. Leaving that aside, most abilities like that are clearly designed to be game-ending effects, which literally does mean they're ultimate abilities: they're the last ones you activate.

Are you guys watching the GP on twitch? The meta breakdown for the first day showed that hogaak was at 18%. Pretty impressive since plenty of people were probably scared to pick it up, since it has a target on its back.

The Chad Hogaak versus the virgin taking turns player.

>>422831

It's going to be an interesting week. At scg Pittsburgh, Phoenix and Hogaak are over half of the day 2 decks. It's 18% at Dallas and Phoenix/Humans are at 7% each on day 2. The deck is the newest hotness, so it makes sense that it would have a bigger showing. However, if wotc decides to act on the 8th, then I see a few cards that could get banned. Altar ban would make hogaak fold more easily to removal and kill the mill plan. Hogaak ban would make the deck bridgevine again. Looting ban would push the deck's combo back a turn at the very least and it would push every other gy deck back a turn at the very least. A bridge ban isn't going to matter as it only sees play in modern hogaak. It could eat a ban, but hogaak eating some bans will essentially push it back out of the meta. I'm personally expecting an altar and looting ban if wotc does decide to ban. Altar ban would make the deck lose its main wincon. Looting ban would slow all gy decks down and that includes, phoenix, dredge, hogaak, and hollow one. Of course, wotc may choose to not ban and I'm curious how the meta will react. Phoenix used to be the big bad, but I could see a phoenix resurgence happening if hogaak sticks around.

>>422835

>quad sleeved

Why would anyone put 4 sleeves on a card? I understand double sleeved for double sided cards and foils, but quad sleeved seems like a waste of time.

I don't like how Tom is playing this. On turn 2, he should have played the altar rather than getting a few counters on his feeder.

BW control beat Hogaak. It looks like BW is going to be sitting pretty and surgical might go up in price soon.

>>422847

UW*

>>422688

sinkhole + hymn to tourach had it coming

xmage had all commons legal so if you ever felt like being a dick all you had to do was play a deck with those in it

>>422863

>sinkhole + hymn to tourach had it coming

I dont see what the point of this statement is considering they've never been legal in Pauper unless a store was populated by mouth-breathing retards who wanted to play with paper cards but didn't use CardKingdom's banlist or use the MTGO banlist.

>xmage had all commons legal

That sounds like a very XMage thing to do.

>>422891

How many of these are high quality proxies?

>>422894

As far as we can believe Creepy Rudy, that diamond/silver stamp down in the center has yet to be forged.

I think they're real.

>>422905

Just get the old ones then :^)

>>422905

>As far as we can believe Creepy Rudy, that diamond/silver stamp down in the center has yet to be forged.

I know I've seen a video of Rudy's (yep, embed related) where he has some holofoil stamped cards which are allegedly perfect counterfeits, although he didn't rip up the dollar rare among them because he's an enormous faggot like every other YouTuber who covers this game. Some people in the comments speculated he was mailed real cards as a joke, but we just don't know so take it as you will.

Out of curiosity I did some research, and at least one counterfeit seller seems to have properly replicated the holofoil stamp. The source is reddit, but the bootlegmtg subreddit is at least dedicated to finding ways around WotC dicksucking. This guy in particular did his homework: http://archive.fo/dSbCm

The Misty Rainforest comparison images in particular provide several angles of the holofoil stamp, which is clearly reflecting in the same way as the official stamp.

>>422908

Got ahead of myself. There's a more direct comparison album here, which shows that the major difference is in the size of the stamp. It's obvious when the cards are side by each, but individually I don't think most people would notice.

https://imgur.com/a/hDv1m7J

>>422947

>For this Ajani, the message was "play with creatures and planeswalkers."

I don't have a reaction image powerful enough to express how thoroughly this line struck me dumb the first time I read it.

>>422951

I hope Maro is able to help me build a deck. For some reason, I always lose before getting to cast any creatures or planeswalkers. Do I need lands too?

>>422947

M:tG has been more and more EtB: the Game, and it's been very annoying all these years. With statements like that, it's clear Maro think's we're retarded.

>>422963

That isn't even the most insulting part of that - they think that gaining life is a Planeswalker-matters mechanic.

>>422963

He needs to be fired from his job. He's awful.

>>423002

Who would even fire him? Isn't he at the top of the hierarchy?

>>422996

Apparently, War was a hit, so they are just going to keep pumping out more and more planeshitters.

>>423005

Supposedly if WotC fucks up hard enough, Hasbro will come down on them. This only happened during Urza's sets, though.

>>423002

how fucking dare you besmirch the good name of someone who once wrote for Roseanne

>>423005

>Apparently, War was a hit, so they are just going to keep pumping out more and more planeshitters.

It was a hit because of the shitwalkers like Teferi and Saheeli that had value to be played and sold.

The regular non-shitwalker cards are utter garbage, the whole set on itself is also immensely monotone in both art and playstyle.

Doing the sealed event tomorrow. $40 CDN gets me 6 packs and the promo. My LGS usually charges $10/pack so it's good value, in relative terms. I don't want to spend enough for a box either.

Anyways, what are some top tier cards at uncommon? Disfigure?

>>423060

Fry is solid along with the other cards that are like it in other colors, like veil and aether gust. Blood for bones is solid if you have creatures that you want to cheat out or creatures with good etbs. The creature that you sacrifice as part of the cost can be brought back with it. The elemental cards seem neat and season of growth seems like it was made for Feather decks. Risen Reef looks really solid as well.

>>423073

What I usually do is look for uncommon/rare/mythic bombs and try to make it work and build around it. Having read a sealed guide, it looks like you should find your payoff cards (eg gold cards) that can be supported by your card pool and build around those instead. Each color pair seems to have a different build style (eg RW is wide/tokens while WU is fliers), and there is enough support in the packs to splash a 3rd color too, though I'll stick to 2 likely. Also subthemes are elementals and shit

>>423079

Sealed is really simple if you go in with the logic of "Play your good cards, don't play bad cards". You shouldn't try to force around one or two good gold cards, rather you should play the colors that have the most good cards in general. Minimize your filler that doesn't actually win the game as much as possible.

>>423084

Whoever made this was drunk or something. Fixing isn't "sometimes playable", you always play duals in colors you are using, sealed or draft.

>>423107

You don't seem to have many instants/sorceries for murmuring, and saheeli does better with cheap instants/sorceries as well.

I played a u/b quasi deck back in GRN with hostage taker and chupa, but sadly there is nothing comparable to them that targets planeswalkers.

>>423079

I got back from pre-release not too long ago. Big Chandra is dirty if she sticks around. I put elementals around her and she was mowing through people. My only loss occurred to that big angel, because I couldn't get rid of it in time. I would say that elementals is the way to go and use big Chandra if you get here. She puts a clock on your opponent and elements make good blockers and attackers if you get the green one that pumps himself. The Hydra would have been nice if he had trample. The double strike for like R was nice and closed out a few games for me when that 5/4 elemental made it through. Veil of Summer is amazing as well. I wish I had more of them. Also, be careful with going 3 colors as the tap lands are pretty slow and aren't as helpful as check lands.

>>423110

>really cool dude, spends the next 30 minutes fixing my deck, helping me make it not suck.

Oh can you do that in limited events? I thought you were stuck with what you started with

>>423112

No, you can change your deck in limited between matches as long as the cards were in your sealed pool or draft.

>>423126

Anon, it's $2 with new set hype. It's going to be 50 cents in a few weeks.

>>423152

It's a core set, what do you expect?

The card isn't even bad in sealed, fixing with a decent body. It's even 60 card constructed playable since it can fetch for any land.

>>423117

>thinking this is a bad card

It's a slightly worse Solemn Simulacrum, you don't even have to look at the bottom half since you're never playing 5 colors unless you're gate control.

>>423117

That's a great limited card, mate. Activate it once and win the game.

>>423127

So you can do that then?

>>423154

>It's a core set, what do you expect?

This core set also gave a 7/6 for 3, leylines, Cavalier of Flame, Villis, Chrandra (Rare)...

And that isn't looking at cards like Nocturnus, Scapeshift, or Omniscience that were printed in core sets in the past.

Core sets are supposed to be accessible. That's not the same thing as bad.

>The card isn't even bad in sealed, fixing with a decent body.

Fixing is not a win con, either is 3/5 on turn 5. The point of fixing is to make larger multicolored spells easier to cast, but since this is a core set, that doesn't exist outside of a few mythics. The land fetching is there to fuel it's own ability, but building five color for the promise of maybe getting value is a gimmick outside of EDH.

For comparison's sake Cavalier of Thorns does practically the same thing, but it actually has an on-curve body with a death trigger. They bumped that up to a mythic because ramp on a decent body is actually good.

>>423159

>It's a slightly worse Solemn Simulacrum

That's an insult to sad robot. Simulacrum fetches you a land and replaces itself in your hand. The 2/2 is just a nice body that stops an attacker for one turn or attacks with an incentive to leave it unblocked. It works both in limited and in EDH.

That ain't true for Galos. By making it a colorless creature, they've put its power on the lower end of the curve, and because it doesn't do anything on death nor does it help you dig for your win con (unless you get a 5-color pool), that doesn't work in your favor. If your opponent played a 4/4 last turn for 4 mana, you're not in that much more of a better position to win.

The ETB doesn't matter in limited that much if you're not playing five-color control because of how long the game goes on for.

By dedicating one of those mana to green, I could run a fucking Mammoth Spider for the same power and at least get reach out of it in a set where flying is a subtheme. One of my fucking rares should not be a Mammoth Spider.

>>423162

>That's a great limited card, mate. Activate it once and win the game.

<If you can get out 1 land of each color and 2 more generic, you can win the game

Thanks anon

>>423168

>muh it's hard to have access to several colors by turn 6-7

There are lots of tools in green to enable it. Also, astrolabe at common. If you build your deck around it to some extent, it's very doable.

>>423177

That's great, if you actually pool the tools to fix colors. Pulling one copy of Gift of Paradise and other fixing besides Golos isn't worth building around.

>>423106

>Go to second PR at same store

>Rares are Leyline of the Void, Sanctity, Cavalier of Dread, Graftdigger's Cage, and RW Land and some other schlock

>Basically shit cards, no removal at all, except like tempo stuff

>UB is actually strong again, but more tempo rather than efficient drops like last time

>Go WUB and do fliers/tempo

>Somehow end up coming 3rd out of 4 players

>Prize pack has japanese Nahiri and some other goodies

>Broke even again, got a promo UG scry land for 3 uncommons, and a foil ringleader

>>423177

>astrolabe at common

>in M20

>>423221

Neat. I'm somewhat surprised by the cards being so low in value, but I suppose that happens every set release. The black Cavalier seems strong, especially when combined with Blood for Bone, so hopefully some kind of semi-interesting reanimator deck makes the format less of a slog to watch for a little while.

>>423226

I do feel like the limited environment was fun to play with. While there's a few themes in the set itself, there's a lot of one-off enablers all over the place that let you do interesting things. Hopefully there'll be a large shakeup, especially with the next set on the horizon.

Have they released any theme, name, or details about the next one yet?

http://archive.fo/JZUGz

MODERN - Bridge from Below is banned.

No changes in other formats.

>We discussed several possible bans that would weaken this deck while having minimal impact on the rest of the metagame: Hogaak, Arisen Necropolis; Altar Of Dementia; and Bridge from Below. While cases can be made for each, we identified Bridge from Below as the card most likely to cause metagame imbalance again in the future. Because Bridge from Below doesn't cost mana or other resources to use and isn't reliant on being drawn naturally from the library, its power level is highly sensitive to the cards that synergize with it. As new card designs that have synergy with the graveyard are released over time, Bridge from Below is the most likely key card in the deck to become problematic again.

>While we don't intend on setting a precedent for quickly taking B&R action whenever a successful new deck breaks out, in this case, the situation clearly needed to be addressed. We're looking forward to watching the metagame continue to evolve as we approach Mythic Championship IV in Barcelona on July 26–28, and we hope you'll join us for full coverage of that event.

>>423272

Well at least BFB isn't used in Modern Dredge. Kinda sucks though

>>423272

In commander, Paradox Engine and Iona got banned, Painter’s Servant unbanned.

Atraxa still at large, fuck them.

>>423278

>Implying that WotC would man a self-designed OP commander that sold the deck

>Implying that WotC would anger the investors

We can still dream I guess.

>>423278

> Painter’s Servant

What cool things can be done with him? What kind of creature tutors are legal? Grindstone?

>>423287

All is Dust becomes a complete land nuke.

Grindstone is a full mill of someone's deck. I'm sure there's other stuff, those are the two big ones.

>>423289

Yeah. I've seen a modern deck run like 2-3 of those and 4 Ghostway, then a bunch of ETB effects, like Eternal Witness, Elvish Visionary, Suture Priest, etc.

Another similar deck ran Arbor Elf and Utopia Sprawl, and less focused on the blink, but fast mana with those and Garruk, wanting to ramp into Primal Command / Eternal Witness loop to stall the game for a while, or Mwonvuli Acid-Moss and Acidic Slime and Hornet Queen

>>423278

You have such a hateboner for Atraxa, it's enormous.

>>423272

>>423278

SELL SELL SELL

>>423300

Sell what?

>>423303

Paradox Engine is falling like a rock. I managed to get out by trading for prerelease kits.

>>423299

Name another commander that just wins the game the moment she hits the board, a commander that has several different variants, all degenerate bullshit that completely destroys the fun of the format. I'll continue to have a hateboner until the day she's permanently banned in commander.

>>423306

>Wins the game the moment she hits the board

Okay, so it's just a generic 4/4 angel that's on curve. Her best quality is that you can play a 4-color commander. Wow. If she's such a game swinger, then all it should take is one turn (at which point her Proliferate is usless)

>>423310

I wonder how long the RC will keep profiting from insider trading.

>>423311

Who's RC? I don't keep tabs on the bigger community

>>423312

The kikes who make the banlists for EDH, the "Rules Committee".

>>423308

>generic 4/4 angel

with Flying, Vigilance, Deathtouch, and Lifelink. So a mini 4 color Akroma. That proilferates. Let's just drop down a planeswalker that shuts down your opponents, and oh hey, there's chain veil, guess you just lose because the player now sits there stroking their dick for the next 20 minutes until they just combo you to death with no way to stop it.

>>423306

Urza, or any storm commander tend to win a turn or two after being cast.

>>423316

>A card that should win you the game ends up winning you the game

Do you play bad cards all game, or what?

>>423306

>>423278

>>423314

Are you the same guy who spent a day bitching about Atraxa players about 2 months ago then got buttblasted after being called out for wanting to play Creatures: the Tappening? Have you finally realized that the correct answer to EDH is just to ban everything originally printed in a Commander supplement?

>>423316

Not gonna lie, running Prime Speaker Zegana as a storm commander with the payoff card being Biovisionary was one of the most fun things I've done in this game. I don't regret anything about it.

>>423328

Everyone, get in here!

>>423340

Reading that list gave me cancer. What do the spergs do when someone who can play the game attends but doesn't want to play by their infantile rules? Seeing stuff like this makes me happy that, despite all my playgroup's autism and despite all the bad players we have, nobody is dumb enough to enjoy "spicing up the format" with metafaggotry that invariably leads to a handful of stale decks and strategies becoming the only viable ones.

>>423341

>nibba

>>>/twitter/

>>423340

Honestly though infinite combos and the sorts are utter shite in EDH and kills the game.

>>423350

>kills the game

You mean finishes the game, right? Loading up your deck with nothing but tutors and acceleration and playing solitaire is one thing, but there's nothing inherently wrong with having two or three pieces resolve and finishing the game.

>>423350

If infinite is an option I'm gonna be prepared and pack my own wincon that doesn't take a bunch of turns and can secure shit. It helps that I enjoy combo. Though now that Paradox Engine is banned, the only real combo heavy deck I had was mono red artifacts headed by Slobad/Daretti. All of my other shit is junk that never wins like Atraxa infect I have fucking hated Planeswalker cards ever since they were introduced in Lorwyn or Voltron/Pump Vish Kal. I blame Urza for this shit. Urza in a format with Paradox Engine is a bridge too far and I bet this is just seeing the writing on the wall that Urza+ANY ARTIFACTS AT ALL+Engine is enough to bruise anybody's asshole and they're taking it out now rather than later.

>headed by Slobad/Daretti which is pretty junk without it.

>>423355

I'm not an oldfag MTG player. Other than a couple decks I bought as a stupid kid (invasion I think) and some singles from vending machines, I only really started playing in Time Spiral. Planeswalkers just feel fucky. I saw them drop in Lorwyn and people were practically selling their mothers to get a hold of these weird new cards, I saw all five of the OG walkers being sold for ridiculous shit, sixty dollars and up. Everyone who had them, especially Garruk, would absolutely dominate every game I saw. And ever since then this cardtype, from my gaybaby casual perspective, feels like it has become the most important integral thing in all of MTG if you want to be competitive.

You have a card that creates value for you every turn with no tax to your manabase past it's initial cast, with a lot of walkers actually improving your manabase as their value generated value. Most have a spot removal/lock/slow as their basic minus to interrupt your opponent in their effort to either kill you or your walker. And then you have probably their greatest asset the ultimate which is twofold in that if you are able to pull it off usually it secures the win for you, and if an opponent dedicates the resources to kill your planeswalker, which by all means should be what they are doing, then they are ultimately wasting resources that should be being used to actually kill you or open up avenues to secure a win against you. A planeswalker is a drain on a player's resources because if you don't manage that shit it's going to pop and you'll be fucked. And that is on top of whatever other regular bullshit your opponent is laying down on the field which is already giving you a hard time.

Again, I am a casual MTG player. I don't have the dosh to throw a lot of money at it, so after poking around with Standard in Lorwyn I moved to Extended, and once Extended was put on life support I mainly started playing Modern on Cockatrice for free, and once I learned that EDH was a thing I started scrabbling some decks together between playing online and playing paper. I've just always felt that Planeswalkers really fuck with the dynamic of everything else for the reasons stated above and I foresee them rubbing me the wrong way forever because they're always going to be a dominant factor in MTG because that's what MTG is about now. If War of the Planeswalkers and the new Uncommon/Rare walkers makes that pretty clear.

>>423356

>value generated value

I really should sleep.

>>423356

Haha, I started in Invasion too. Or specifically, my first deck was the Planescape Barrage deck. I sat on it for a number of years, then started in Onslaught and Mirrodin, enjoyed a brief amount of Kamigawa and got big into Ravnica, then took a bit of break until Time Spiral as well.

I really liked the throwback shut that block did.

>EDH

This became cancer as soon as it became sanctioned, causing the prices on staple cards to spike

>>423363

Fucking LEAF prices are the worst bud, best bet is just buying shit down south and getting it moved up north bud.

>>423367

I don't buy sealed product. I usually just participate in local events, and trade/consolidate rares into more easily tradeable stuff, or things that will go up in time

>>423376

Are you complaining about an oversight with storage of expensive cards, or are you made at triple sleeved commander players?

>>423352

>>423353

I don't havr anything against some small wincon combos, even a few infect creatures as a wincon aren't a problem for me.

Thing is, EDH is meant to be slower and more casual, so making a full infect-oriented or a win combo EDH is just risiculous.

Why play a casual, slow format if you want to win within five turn?

>>423387

Alright, would you have an issue if I played a deck that kills someone in about five turns via a voltron/buff commander and something like Hatred or Berserk?

You have to have some kind of wincon you're working towards whether it's combo/creature swarm, commander damage, whatever. Otherwise deckbuilding doesn't exist, all you're doing is throwing cards together and hoping something happens.

>>423388

My problem is with decks existing solely for that one infinite combo or something.

Got to admit, haven't seen a deck like this yet but then again I do not play that much EDH sadly.

>>423387

Sorry but its a sanctioned format now. Why should I limit myself because ive been playing for years? I'm not allowed to use my good cards because you dont have any? You sound entitled

>>423420

You're playing Competitive Commander, and the person you're responding to plays casual EDH. Don't cross the streams. Don't be that faggot.

>>423424

>You're playing Competitive Commander

>by having a deck that can potentially win by turn 10

You're retarded.

>>423426

>>423427

Your stance defends turn 2 infinite combos, stop being that faggot.

>>423439

>If they have the resources to generate an infinite combo on turn two, you should have the resources to disrupt it.

Thank you for completely agreeing that you should bring Competitive Commander decks to Competitive Commander games.

>>423439

>If they have the resources to generate an infinite combo on turn two, you should have the resources to disrupt it.

I generally agree with this but do remember that not all decks have shitton of removal as to guarantee them at turn two (especially green where most removal like Rabid Bite requires another creature in play).

>>423444

>Competitive Commander

Embarrassing.

>>423446

>un-competitive commander

Even worse.

>>422881

are some kinda autistic or something? I had explained in that post that decks with sinkhole and hymn were nigh unbeatable and would have continued to be had they not been banned

>>423350

It ends the game and lets players move onto the next one. Some combos are cheap, so it will depend on the playgroup. Having said that, you should always bring interaction to edh games. It's harder to combo off when multiple players could potentially stop it.

>>423444

Everything about magic is competitive.

>>423438

>Your stance defends turn 2 infinite combos

No it fucking doesn't.

>>423452

The phrase "had it coming" implies that those cards weren't already banned, which implies people play a format where they're legal, which implies people play paper Pauper without a banlist, which is something only idiots would do, which isn't worth discussing.

>if you play a shitty format with zero support instead of following largely-supported rules (such as CardKingdom's banlis), you have bad games

>>423444

>having basic removal or disruption is competitive

You're the type of dipshit that demands everyone else to dumb down their decks, or implement the cancer in >>423340

>>423457

Let's assume 4 person game. That should be 27 cards split between 3 players to contain 1 removal or counterspell.

Is it completely uncommon to bring more then one EDH deck? Or games turning into 1v3+? I swear, it's only when prizes are the line that EDH turns from fun down time with a lot of variance to bringing out all the spergs and complaining about "cEDH".

>>423465

And you're the kind of mouth-breathing bootlicker that thinks it's okay to whip out your $750 ub faeries deck against a first timer whose deck barely breaks $50 and then tells them to git gud.

There's a spot in between anything goes and autismal authoritarianism, and it's called "Don't Be A Dick". Stop arguing that it's okay to be a dick.

>>423473

>bootlicker

<Telling people on chans not to be dicks.

>>423480

You're a faggot, what else is new?

How different is card evaluation for drafting vs limited?

>>423486

How different is card evaluation for drafting vs sealed*, sorry.

>>423502

Stifle for one mana wouldn't be playable in the format, I think. Wonder why they keep printing these.

>>423541

I wouldn't have an issue with it if other colors retained some sort of weakness to compensate. But as it is now, it's a really crippling thing for Black and Red.

>>423540

I do like colored artifacts, but only as an exception, not as a rule.

He even admits saying it wouldn't make them any different from enchantments.

Bloody hell looking at WotC now and the state of the game I'd bet a few that he'll discontinue the artifact type in a decade because it's "just an enchantment lol".

>Bloodsoaked Altar, for reference, is a card so uniquely poor that we've spent what feels like most of this thread arguing about it.

I feel kind of responsible for that, I opened the thread with the first post.

But please understand I was unironically triggered by the sheer badness of the card that I needed a place to vent.

>Rosewater thinks it's a pushed card made more interesting by the addition of coloured mana.

So the card would've been even shittier than it is now?

What was the original idea then, 8 colorless mana + your opponent gets 2 life and draws a card?

>>423540

>They’ve never been mechanically that far apart

One of the things that made artifacts different was that you could splash them into decks. Another is that enchantments normally don't tap, and because of their type, are often associated with unusual effects in their part of the color pie.

The way he puts it, it sounds like they will get rid of one type or another for convenience. What a fucking kike, he wants to destroy a card type that has been around since the beginning of the game.

Just came back from today's FNM, a release draft. Came second (out of 10th). In the prereleases I went UB, then WUB respectively, and this time I went WU fliers/tempo, using whatever cheap fliers I could, coupled with stuff like Octoprophet, Air Elemental, Yarok's Wavecrasher, and Frost Lynx.

Others in the top 4 drafted:

>BR (Bag of Holding, some reanimation, 6/5 menace guy, came first, though my prize pack had more value to it)

>4 color goodstuff (came 3rd, had 3x Gift of Paradise and lots of good spells, also had bloodsoaked altar)

>WU Fliers (no synergy, many mistakes, player was kinda amateurish, not sure how he placed so well)

>>423559

Two players unironically drafted the Bloodsoaked Altar, and both times they gave me a headache that I couldn't deal with once it got active. I had only one Disenchant, and could easily get 4 power worth of fliers ... once. Other games went so fast in the air it wouldn't have mattered. They basically won stalled games because of it

>>423562

Yeah but eventually they stopped reprinting WoG and Llanowar Elves in every core set

Sorry for triple posting, but I guess what I'll do is take a Feather deck as a base and bastardize it with a few card changes. I actually own a set of Sacred Foundry and Dreadhorde Arcanist, which offsets most of the cost of the deck.

Amusingly, Deafening Clarion with Gideon's Sacrifice and Truefire Captain could potentially be lethal on it's own, depending on how many creatures I have in play.

>>423577

>They basically won stalled games because of it

That was the general consensus of the discussion on here too.

You need board presence to sacrifice, and also enough life left mid-late game.

Most games where you got a respectable board presence and >12 life mid-late game the game is going well so a Bloodsoaked Altar is redundant...unless your enemy has the same board state of course.

My issue with the card is that it's shit when you're losing the game, a.k.a. close to zero board presence, you got <10 life left, opponent has decent creatures on the field etc. and redundant when you're winning the game.

>>423614

>>423613

Walls are obsolete. Every single one was errata'd to have defender, and almost all interactions for the last decade have been with defender instead.

>>423617

It's all improper formatting. (Z->) can't even be a thing, and the 90 degrees doesn't make sense in an equation like this.

>>423617

I never really understood what it was supposed to mean and like >>423621 already pointed out the (Z->) part isn't even a thing so I assumed it was just a gimmick/joke/meme/whatever the frick you want to call it.

>>423623

>>423621

It's fucking leetspeak on a Magic card.

If you solve it (or look it up on a DID YOU KNOW site like everyone else did at the time), the "solved" version of it reads NIV-MIZZET = 1

>>423623

Turn your head ninety degrees to the left.

>>423540

>Alara was an artifact set

Is he retarded?

>[but] they were never that far apart [from the beginning]

Did this retard forget that artifacts used to be distinct enough that they used to have their own supertypes to distinguish how the artifact actually functioned (and that mono artifacts were a thing)?

>>423541

>Same goes for artifacts

What black answers are there? As far as I remember most B artifact removal needed to splash in a second color.

>>423617

>I'm still insulted about how "clever" the flavor text thinks it is

Well Niv is supposed to be an egotistical bastard who thinks he's the smartest being on the plane so in a way it's perfect.

>>423642

Right but instead of huffing Niv's ass out if smugness, it's R&D's instead. Awful

>>423624

I know, but, I'm pointing out that it's just a really shitty equation that means nothing without rewriting how math works

>>423647

Because it's not math, it's ascii leetspeak

>>423624

>>423627

Oh...oh wow, that would've actually been funny if the (Z->) part made any sense.

>>423540

Honestly it wouldn't have been so bad if he just said "We're making colored artifacts more common since it lets us to make permanents that don't really fit in with enchantments or creatures while still keeping them at a CMC where people want to play them." Instead it's retarded shit like "It wasn't Tinker, Yawgmoth's Will/Bargain, Lotus Petal and the like that broke Urza's block, and affinity isn't broken, it's that we had colorless artifacts!"

Christ. No. I legitimately wonder how this man is the head designer of Magic if me and my playing-since-2012 newfaggotry can come in and see the problem with Urza block better than his statement.

>>423713

He's just trying to allude to what everyons'e thinking and the problem with artifacts is that they need more color representation :/

>Global series is a standard-legal pair of decks that are only legal in mainland China

>Added Pangolin as a creature type, even though Beast is still perfectly functional

https://mtg.gamepedia.com/Global_Series:_Jiang_Yanggu_%26_Mu_Yanling

... Why?

>>423717

China is the single largest emerging market for every kind of luxury object and hobby and they react well to western companies creating product directed at them. WotC would be a billion times more retarded than everyone thinks they are if they didn't do something to cater to the market.

Have you bought a playset of Prismatic Vistas, the fetch that only grabs basics? I think it's still very cheap for how strong it is. It's playable in most decks in Legacy and Modern. The Canopy lands are also pretty cheap.

>>423737

Depends, is there a way to cheat-cast it?

>>423738

Not really, but if you're playing Grixis Good Stuff EDH you can easily get its casting cost down to UU.

>>423751

>EDH

Yeah well almost everything is playable in EDH so that doesn't really count.

>>423731

>$26

>Cheap

I don't have that much to spend on a whim

>>423757

Then why are you playing magic? It is the most luxury of luxury passtimes.

>>423759

For the friendships

>>423753

Which is why I started with "not really" then followed up with the one corner case I can think of where it becomes possible.

>>423765

>Ashiok

My understanding is that he transcended (not transgendered) to a nightmare realm where concepts such as sexuality as meaningless. Thus, he became an avatar of horror in the most genuine way possible.

Not to be confused with Tumblr's interpretation of "he lost his gender so he's trans :)"

>>423737

>The foil Tenth edition Time Stop

Damn that thing is pricy.

>>423765

Okay, I wrote a letter to Wotc's site's feedback page. This transphobia isn't okay.

>>423765

So yeah, for people who aren't big into humanocentrism, we got... a .... an Ashiok. Everything else is too human in body or mind, often both.

Other than the dragons who are characterized as being more human than any other characters in Magic, the rest is all monstergirl encyclopedia tier furry trash.

>>423765

>People want crazy fantasy-monster Planeswalkers

Didn't they just make Ral gay? :^)

>We're not going to force it

>That's how a multi-million dollar brand works

This fricking hook-nose, he made a whole shitwalker set followed up by a core set with THREE different copies of the same shitwalker and now he's trying to play innocent.

MaRo is either completely retarded or he truly knows no shame at all.

>>423778

Actually, M20 has four copies of Chandra, because you forgot to count the starter deck

>>423779

Nobody counts the starter deck shitwalkers because they are intentionally bad. That's how fucked this game is, people just accept that they are selling you trash products.

>>423795

>Sundial is cheaper IIRC.

Ah yes, forgot about that one even though I use it in my Valduk EDH deck to keep my normally vanishing tokens alive.

Cheaper to use, easier to abuse, but also easier to remove.

>>423797

>people just accept that they are selling you trash products.

Indeed kind of sad, but in my opinion it's sadder to realize that this shit product isn't even meant for regular players but to hose new players and kids.

>>423812

>>423797

My favorite thing in MTG is watching the diehard fanboys excuse and rationalise this shit.

>"But if they made good products then they wouldn't be able to keep any on the shelves!"