/sw/ - Star Wars

>Jews hate heroes

Kikes created Superman, the most squeaky clean hero of all, so the premise is wrong.

>>18991

so that's why seinfeld likes superman so much

>>18990

For starters, most of what our сукаблять friend says about the EU isn't correct. Disneywars was certainly not based on it in any way, besides occasionally stealing one or two characters and shitting all over them. The EU also didn't have nearly as much focus on this idea that "balance" is the ultimate good and that the dark side is just as valid as the light; there are some publication that go this route, like Dawn of the Jedi, but it's well agreed by fans and authors alike that these are the ugly ducklings of the series, and that while the Force does have nuance to it (as in Sith are sometimes understandable or sympathetic even if they're wrong), it's still not relativistic. The idea of Star Wars being moral relativism is a comparatively new one, and was introduced mostly by plebeian hipsters whose understanding of philosophy is summed up by realizing that both the Force and the Ying-Yang symbol have a dark and a light side. A nice counter-example to his idea that the EU was the beginning of what happened in Disneywars is this guy's own thesis, that Luke is a Christ-like figure–Luke's appearances and role in the EU are in a lot of ways more Messianic in the EU, as he becomes Grand Master of the Jedi and almost universally revered throughout the Galaxy.

Finally, what's with this claim that much of the EU was written by Jews? I can't find a single member of the Tribe in the entire list of EU authors. The closest thing I found was a woman named Rebecca, and that's more than a bit of a stretch. And the one series she wrote–Young Jedi Knights–has lots of themes about the light side being the ultimate good, and the dark side being evil. Whoever wrote this post doesn't actually know shit about Star Wars, and is just pulling massive assumptions out of his ass instead of doing even the smallest amount of research. If I had to guess, I'd say that he just assumed that the EU media works the same way he believes Hollywood works–because this one multimedia circle has lots of Jews, therefore this other completely unrelated one has lots of Jews,

>>18990

Honestly, I think it comes down to normalfags, their mediocrity and fear of the exceptional.

Going by the wise words of Commander Rockwell: the mediocre, aka the majority of people(or normalfags), believe that it is absolutely wrong to adhere fanatically to anything, no matter what it is. So to them, being exceptional(a Jedi) is just as bad as being a cancer on society(a Sith), since they envy those who have succeeded where they have failed(gaining happiness) due to the fanatics(either Jedi or Sith) only achieving their goals by giving up their will to something bigger(something the mediocre can never do as they cling to their illusion of will as the only semblance of power that they hold). Therefore they tarnish the exceptional, demolish all they have done, not to achieve the happiness they so desire, but to spite all those who broke away from mediocrity and proved that one can achieve serenity once they stop being apathetic.

This is why they had to make Luke's legacy amount to nothing, because he dared to be exceptional in a world where mediocrity reigns. And to spite those who would dare go against the bounds of normalcy, Luke had to betray all that he stood for on a whim, not because his beliefs were wrong, but because to the mediocre(Rian Johnson) fanatics have to become evil to conform to their world view.

If you ever looked at discussions on Star Wars or the Jedi between the releases of The Farce Awakens and The Last Jedi on more mainstream sites mostly Reddit and Youtube comments, you would constantly see the Gray Jedi meme be thrown about, especially on KOTOR II discussions, by normalcattle who were always under the impression that Gray Jedi could be as exceptional as real Jedi or Sith without submitting their will to a higher cause, something that absolutely contradicts how the force(and the world) works.

>>18993

yes, exactly, thanks for debunking. I wanted to know if I was missing something obvious here.

>Finally, what's with this claim that much of the EU was written by Jews? I can't find a single member of the Tribe in the entire list of EU authors

this is what really confused me as well. Looks like it was all just a bunch of lazy assumptions.

>>18994

Also a great take

He's right about why Disney treated Luke like shit, and about the Force not having a "light side" that's a mirror of the dark. He's wrong about the EU. Only a few things in EU come anywhere near saying the dark side is necessary or part of the natural order or at all tolerable, and they end up getting overruled by later material that says those characters were actually evil. The only case I can think of where it doesn't is Kyle Katarn, who gets to throw around lightning and choke motherfuckers without being dark because he's a video game character (SWTOR does this too, but the light side paths for the Sith characters are not the canon routes).

>>18991

Superman, along with a lot of other superheroes, is how the Jews see themselves, not their interpretation of a gentile hero.

>>18994

>you would constantly see the Gray Jedi meme be thrown about, especially on KOTOR II discussions

I'd just like to point out that KOTOR 2 doesn't really support these ideas. People think it does, because it examines a failure mode for Jedi that isn't just falling to the dark side, and because Kreia shows up as neutral in the menu. Kreia's actually 100% dark and using the Force to hide that fact. Everything she does is completely in line with Sith teachings, with the only odd thing being that she regards the Force itself as the master she has to overcome.

the eu did not have loads of kikes writing for it, much as the russianbro might believe. nor did it throw in this huge semblance of balance n shiet, that only came about when 3d clone wars started, the closest thing to it then was just gray jedi. other than that he's fairly spot on.

other anons have covered why he's wrong about the EU. however, he is onto something here, except I would blame cultural marxism rather than Jews (although admittedly, there are many Jews among their ranks). it's true, cultural marxism must tear down heroic archetypes, definite morals, and anything that inspires a sense of wonder, excitement and the ambition to achieve. Star Wars is a modern epic in the ancient tradition, so of course it had to be subverted and ruined.

>>18994

I was always inder the impression that gray Jedi were just members of the old Jedi order that didn't strictly follow the idea of no attachment or using "dark side" powers, nor the orthodoxies of the Order. They were still light side people. seems like the majority of them would fit just fine in Luke's Jedi Order from what I've seen. The whole balance in the force being equal amounts dark and light thing is pretty dumb considering how the force is usually described though. Having it work by horseshoe theory just doesn't work.

>>18990

The problem is we all know that the Empire's good and dudes like Palpatine were trying to do the right thing. The muh dyvyrse Rebels and Jedi and all the EU/NU's generic and personality-devoid protags were the ones pushing agendas and fighting on the wrong side. And Lucas' original vision was that of a card-carrying democrat who thought Nixon was Satan because oh no he lied about that thing once.

Star Wars is infinitely more interesting (or, was) with the Force being an omnipotent uncaring cosmic entity with distinct sides of Light and Dark, with Jedi and Sith being equally misguided assdicks, and with a grey Rebellion fighting a grey Empire.

The political cucking doesn't come from making the Jedi not-heroes or making a Light Side, it comes from calling the Jedi or Rebels "heroes" in the first place.

>Yeah dude! Fuck order and authority! Go out and blow up ships of your government cuz hope prevails bro!!! Fuck those undiverse white dudes!

>>19011

But the logic stops when you realize cultural marxism preaches all of that as their own weapons, raising up "folk heroes" (ones who in their definition gain that status because they sing about how capitalism sucks), people heroes and cults of personality ala Pot or Che, definite unshaking morals where everything they do is justified because marxism is the ultimate good and capitalism is the ultimate evil ("it is better to kill one innocent person than accidentally let one enemy go free"), and tear down logic and reasoning and just dangle keys in front of your face so you don't question it. Cultural marxism is anathema to intellectualism and traditionalism. It doesn't want you to think, it doesn't want you to reason, it doesn't want you to try to rationalize or consider any other viewpoints. It tears down your views and replaces it with its own. Read anything by ol Chairmao and you'll see he puts two things in very importance to the cause of cultural marxism: replacing "inferior" old cultures with the "superior" marxist version, and vehemently despising any forms of intellectual thinking or closer looks at history, especially books.

This concept that Star Wars needs to be super dumbed-down and simple and that it becoming anything more is some kind of sign of marxist infiltration is just ridiculous. The world is a morally grey place, things in life are complex and complicated far more often than not. You know that, I know that, we know that. There's nothing wrong with it. It's when it's twisted by the hands of psychopaths like the cult figures of cultural marxism that it becomes evil.

Cultural marxism is not shifting the Jedi to no longer be squeaky clean heroes, cultural marxism is that the Jedi were the good side to begin with.

>>18990

You're looking too hard into this.

It doesn't matter where the ideologies lie or what ridiculous schools of political thought these people follow. These people are narcissists. Political identity is simply a mask, these people jump from conservative to liberal when it's convenient and gives them power, it just so happens that liberal is the trendy party at the moment.

They just care about the (((me))) factor, and they hate luke because he's Mr. goody two-shoes, and "(((WAAAHHHH WHY CAN'T PEOPLE BE MISERABLE LIKE MEEEEEEEEE~~~!1!11!!!!)))"

>>19016

>This concept that Star Wars needs to be super dumbed-down and simple and that it becoming anything more is some kind of sign of marxist infiltration is just ridiculous.

well of course, especially since the OT is about the redemption of Vader. even within a seemingly straightforward space opera, there are grey areas and difficult moral choices. I think a real sequel trilogy could and should make things more complex and ambiguous. moral ambiguity is not necessarily cultural marxism, neither is it definite good and bad sides.

cultural marxism aims to subvert and destroy certain ideas and traditions, replacing them with their radical ideology. thus, nuWars attacks the family, the hero's journey, and masculine ideals, while shoehorning in nonsense about racism and capitalism. cultural marxism also tells you what to think (and that's a good thing!) and shames you for not bowing to them (toxic fans, deplorables, etc). above all, it takes over creative works and franchises and uses them as vehicles for their agenda, without any regard to the original values, intentions, or quality. it must actively invade and undermine anything that clashes with its ideology.

you can take a story in all sorts of directions without it being cultural marxism, as long as you respect the source material and don't distort it into a vehicle for a subversive agenda.

>>18994

"grey jedi" is the original alt-right, There is no definition for it. It's just not x

>>19004

Superman was always Christian in his portrayals. The kikes who created him wanted a goyim paragon that would do things like punch nazis for them.

>>19014

Grey Jedi is a vague blanket term that refers to any force user that doesn't worship the dark side(Dark Jedi, Sith, Dathomirian witches, etc) but also isn't a Jedi puritan. They are by no means bad people, many of them are even portrayed heroically, however their inability to leave behind selfish desires means they can never achieve true greatness. A Grey Jedi could never become a Force Ghost, nor could he find peace with the universe. As virtuous as they are, they always find themselves stuck between excellence and meaninglessness, never truly being attuned with the Force or finding happiness.

My issue was with how many people think that Grey Jedi is simply 'have your cake and eat it too' mode. Where one can take all the benefits from the dark side (shoot lightning, drain force, crush bones, etc) while still being able to become one with the Force. You can't have the benefits of being selfish(easy money, power and schadenfreude) while also drawing in the pleasures of being selfless(clear conscience, gratefulness from others, love and harmony), it is absolutely impossible.

Yet that is what mediocre people aspire to. And thus they become bitter and resentful towards those who took a different path once they learn of their mistake, attempting to destroy not only the legacy of the exceptional while also contaminating anything that glorifies those who choose to be selfless and good.

>>19031

This. Even Luke and Kyle could be considered gray jedi.

>>18993

Sounds like that сукаблять poster is spreading misinformation.

>>18990

>>19015

>The political cucking doesn't come from making the Jedi not-heroes or making a Light Side, it comes from calling the Jedi or Rebels "heroes" in the first place.

Depends on why people believe them to be heroes. I see to many Disney faggots and left-faggots using the Rebel Alliance symbol as their avatar and its irksome to no end.

>>18991

lmao at thinking superman isn't meant to represent the kike's own bloated ego

>>19028

he was initially meant to be for jewish boys though, before their stories just turned him into space jesus.

>>19015

>>19035

the political cucking came from the fact that lucas chose the perspective of the insurgents as the good guys, fighting an authoritarian empire that crushed their rights and freedom, and modern leftists seem to think it's their current plight, because trump has reversed a few obama laws. meanwhile, despite lucas constantly keeping to the idea that palpatine was nixon, it never surfaced in the movie and there wasn't any subtext to support it either. however, when it became more of a "what could an american empire be?" question, then it got interesting, as opposed to a "republicans r evil n vietnam was bad lel". he couldn't publicly say the second half since kennedy and johnson started it and nixon finished it, as it would make him a contradicting cockhead.

>>19015

>The problem is we all know that the Empire's good and dudes like Palpatine were trying to do the right thing.

In the OT there was very little to suggest that, and the rebels weren't diversity leftists until the EU. The Empire's evil in the OT has nothing to do with being "speciesist" or anything silly like that and everything to do with tearing down the old order and wiping out its religion.

>>18990

First of all I don't disagree with his criticism about Nu-Wars, I've heard that breakdown of Luke in ep8 and it makes sense to me. Though I heavily disagree with his criticism of the EU.

While it might sound good to an Original-Trilogy is the only lore kind of fan it all falls apart when the EU and prequels are put together. Now I agree that the so called Lightside is the natural state of the force or its "natural usage" but the Darkside isn't antithetical to life, it is Sith magic in where the "Darkside" can create life from nothing or prevent someone from dying. In this way the Darkside could be understood as unnatural power, going beyond the natural state seen in the way it uses the force to morph life and has power beyond the natural state where the Lightside can only live. Darkside users don't see themselves as "evil" but beyond lower forms of life or after understanding the force deeper. Do you think yourself evil by stepping on a bug or crushing a spider which may try to bite you? When Sidious tells Anakin "not from a Jedi" he means it, the Jedi aren't after understanding the deeper meanings of the force or what it can be used for. They have come to accept an arbitrary state of use of it to be "natural" and don't cross that line. Is mediocrity implicitly good, that everyone is on the same page and not to try anything beyond a set level? Now of course no boundaries and no moral compass will allow you to do terrible things but who sets virtues? The Jedi council? No, they were very wrong. Luke Skywalker of the actual EU? Well he did create a better system and most importantly Cade continued it after expierencing the failings of the other systems. Cade's story would have been so powerful to make a movie out of with Luke being a mentor and its finally being he finally found the true "dark light in the Force".

When Yoda says the Darkside isn't stronger he is correct but where does that strength lie in the Lightside? It lies in accepting the natural state of the force in this way allowing yourself to be killed by malice to live on as a force-ghost for your fellow Jedi. When the anon in your picture implies that the prequels try to say "evil is necessary" they aren't as seen by the dialog between Obi-Wan and Anakin on Mustafar.

>>Obi-Wan: "Only a Sith deals in absolutes?"

>>Obi-Wan: "My allegiance is to the Republic, to Democracy?"

>>…<some time latter>

>>Anakin: "From my point of view the Jedi are evil." <personal views>

>>Anakin: "Then you are lost!" <absolute view, that's impossible the Jedi are good, "Feminism is about equality because that's its definition">

The Jedi Order of the Republic lost themselves over the centuries, it had become like a public school of going through the motions and serving a Government which didn't even have a fair morality to it. This slow loss culminated in the destruction of their temple by legions of Clone Troopers and instead of trying to escape the Jedi materially viewed their temple as having value and collectively decided to die in it rather then escape into nature where the force lived, the Jedi valued their position even when they themselves had forced it to lack meaning.

Watch the deliberation of the Jedi Council in Attack of the Clones to see what I mean. "For over 1000 generations the Jedi were guardians of peace and justice", they lost that when they gave into the absolute that the Confederacy had no credible position and instead of deliberating to discover the truth of the matter they only fought it. Its like when an anti-racist is explicitly/implicitly anti-white and not trying to understand the concerns of White people and ends up creating "Nazis".

>>19074

I never got why the safety pin was there. Just sheer laziness?

>>19077

It's a fag symbol to indicate you're pozzed.

>>19071

>There's nothing claiming affirming that the Dark Side is an equal part of the Force's nature that has to be acknowledged and balanced with the Light

Absolutely false. Snoke outright says it in TLJ when talking to Kylo.

>>19079

Who the fuck cares what stupid bullshit is in TLJ? That’s Rian Johnson’s opinion, nothing more.

>>19081

Because Disney is rewriting the story of Star Wars and to say they're not is being dishonest at best.

>>19079

>>19090

Disney fanfic is not Star Wars

stop shitposting

>>19089

>nu-/pol/

kampfy is gone nigger, yet you’re still going on about this?

>>19071

to be fair, when the original trilogy came out the force WAS in balance, you had two jedi and two sith. luke disrupted the balance, until it was just him left. but i think lucas realized he fucked up by having thousands of jedi and only two sith, that's a serious imbalance right there.

I forget which "Legends" book it was, but there was one that said Palpatine wanted to control the entire universe in order to save it. He was aware of the impending Vong invasion.

>>19123

that's a major reason why I'm opposed to the Yuuzhan Vong, they subvert the OT.

>>19123

>>19124

I mostly hate the EU but Palps wanting to be in charge so he could be a literal savior is one of the most interesting bits and one I generally liked. If the EU had been less chock-full of easy to write lowest common denom Rebelworship and had less of a focus on the 900 Solo kids and movie characters and more of a focus on new ideas and new people I think it would've worked better.

>>19110

>BO defines a board

It's the userbase, you dense nigger. Blow your brains out.

>>19136

The OT is about the Rebels defeating the tyrannical Empire, and in parallel, Luke's redemption of Vader. if the Yuuzhan Vong invade, that defeats the purpose of the Rebel victory. what's the point if something even worse comes along, and now you're far less equipped to deal with it? The Empire would've had no trouble fighting off the Yuuzhan Vong, especially with a working Death Star. the Yuuzhan Vong invasion means that ultimately, the galaxy would've been better off if the Empire remained in power, which makes the story and conflict of the OT rather hollow, which is something I can't abide by.

that's my main objection, but not the only one. the Yuuzhan Vong thematically don't fit the Star Wars universe. it's the old alien invasion trope that goes back to HG Wells, except the galaxy is full of aliens, so now the aliens are invading from another galaxy. it just doesn't fit. also, they're too grimdark, and would fit better into WH40K.

>>19078

There was this trend in 2016 for using the safety pin as a code for creating a place that was secure for marginalized communities away from the oppressive kyriarchial forces of masculinity, whiteness, and heterosexuality. Trump doing things made Hollywood liberals seize on the floor and the directors for Rogue One were among them. They went to social media claiming that the Empire is metaphorical for white supremacist movements and spreading pictures of the Rebel insignia with a safety pin in it to communicate that good people identify with the good guys and good guys fight for progressive values.

Naturally it backfired because regular people see a safety pin and immediately think of cloth baby diapers or septic, infected DIY adolescent punk piercings.

>>19079

When? I looked at Snoke's lines from TLJ and can't find that. He says that Kylo lost to Rey because he was "unbalanced" but given his later praise for Kylo as having eliminated his conflict and acting as a "son of darkness" I don't think in that context he meant balance between the Light and Dark sides of the Force.

>>19110

/pol/ needs to stay in /pol/. I realize we can't excise political topics from discussion of a franchise being defiled with unwelcome and unwarranted political commentary but it doesn't mean everything has to come back to hackneyed low energy memes.

>>19141

The Vong exist because R.A. Salvatore made them up for one of his D&D books but the copyright holders for that franchise wouldn't let him bring them in. Then later when he was contracted to write for Star Wars he had this already realized species fleshed out and designed. A few sci-fi edits here and there…

>>19142

>here was this trend in 2016 for using the safety pin as a code for creating a place that was secure for marginalized communities away from the oppressive kyriarchial forces…

Oh, I'm more than aware of that. I just find it amusing that the symbol chosen for tolerance and inclusion is the same one used by bug-chasers back in the day to subtly indicate that they're pozzed.

>

The Vong exist because R.A. Salvatore made them up for one of his D&D books but the copyright holders for that franchise wouldn't let him bring them in. Then later when he was contracted to write for Star Wars he had this already realized species fleshed out and designed. A few sci-fi edits here and there…

I've heard this before and it's plausible enough, but I have to ask: how does a race whose schtick is using bio-machinery for all their technology work in a pseudo-medieval fantasy setting? Because the tech level is relatively low anyways there wouldn't be near as much differentiation between the Vong and the conventional fantasy races; they'd just be a race of Druids really.

>>19074

hey btw that safety pin was not actually there was it? that's just photoshopped right?

>>19228

I think blue checkmarks at Lucasfilm started retweeting a picture of a rebel alliance sigil with a safety pin through it.

>>19230

yeah I know about that, but I wasn't sure they went so far as to have that shit in an official tv series

The Vong were actually hinted at twice before Salvatore came in.

The First time was in Truce at Bakura.

The second was just after The Phantom Menace came out in a book called Rogue Planet.

>>19142

>/pol/ needs to stay in /pol/.

We're not falling for it. If you can't handle discussion then you've come to the wrong imageboard.

>>19281

It's arguable that this is the politics thread, anyway.

Honestly, though, it's much simpler to put all this down more to KK being on a power trip and Rian Johnson being a pretentious hack (and both being addled with the desire for "diversity") than a concerted effort to destroy an icon of morality. Stupidity and corruption causes more crises than plans ever do. Also, the Jews nowadays are nowhere near as competent to gin this up as their forebears from the early 20th century were. These are the coddled, self-hating yet hubris-filled grandchildren of those conspirators, and a plan falls to pieces in contact with that.

>>19139

You’re just assmad because your handy excuse for why /pol/ hates you is gone.

>>19142

>/pol/ needs to stay in /pol/. I realize we can't excise political topics from discussion of a franchise being defiled with unwelcome and unwarranted political commentary but it doesn't mean everything has to come back to hackneyed low energy memes.

Shut up, kike. This is a white man’s board.

>>19291

These kikes are pretty successful. They have almost no opposition and own nearly everything. We’ve never lived in such a jewish world before.

>>19281

LOL, "falling" for what? It has nothing to do with an inability to handle your masturbatory idea of "discussion" and more recognizing it for shit quality. You're defending FaceBook-tier spergery of the type baby boomers engage in to feel smart and sophisticated and pretending it's upholding a culture of free speech or something more noble than that.

>>19296

>Hapes consortium

I don't listen to degenerates with a femdom kink, sorry.

>>19305

So you think this being a white man’s board is degenerate?

>>19305

>you natzee bastids!

>you goddahm natzee bastids!

My great-grandmother was two when the nazis gassed her and then chopped her head off.

>>19325

No, but using hapes flags is pretty damn degenerate.

>>19328

I think the kike is just deflecting. Only a degenerate would hate /pol/.

>>19308

You have a point. I'll let the NEETs thump their scrawny chests and declare intellectual checkmate. Practice what you preach and all.

>>19328

Hapes and Dathomir witches were the original stronk womyn poison of the EU and I'm always surprised when Disney critics neglect to mention them.

>>19343

>You have a point. I'll let the NEETs thump their scrawny chests and declare intellectual checkmate.

If only we could be as manly as you.

>>19348

It'll be a long, difficult road for you but having some emotional continence would be a good start.

>>19351

>doesn't like /pol/

I don't even dislike /pol/. I browse and post regularly. I just also have a sense of discretion and an off switch.

>You'd Marvel and the shitty Nu-EU would be sucking the knobs of those two groups and making Hapes a proud feminist dyke tranny empire

It's honestly the biggest tip to me that the new Story Group's Burger King Kids' Club knows nothing at all about Star Wars. I'm dreading the day that some Wookiepedia turncoat manages to tip them off and spawns a "Badass Matriarchy" novella trilogy.

>>19360

> I'm dreading the day that some Wookiepedia turncoat manages to tip them off and spawns a "Badass Matriarchy" novella trilogy.

That's already happening sadly. Wookieepedia has gone full turncoat and the way wikia treats it now suggests someone on Wikia is working with Disney for the sake of dosh. A lot of Marvel comics shits seem to get a lot of info from Wookieepedians, and I'm not sure about Solo getting aid from Wookieepedians, but they certainly did browse Wookieepedia a lot for some quick references to trick fans into thinking the EU mattered. I like how desperate Solo tried to drop EU references. Now they're trying to pander despite making the worst adaptation of Solo's backstory imaginable. Anyway, they probably don't want to bring in the Hapes yet because of Holdo's shitty homeplanet effectively being the same thing, except they're all pussyfists.

>>19351

>Just stop already m8 and calm your tits. Just because someone doesn't like /pol/ doesn't mean they're with /leftypol/ or are marxist queers.

It means they’re stupid.

>>19360

>I don't even dislike /pol/. I browse and post regularly. I just also have a sense of discretion and an off switch.

That’s incredibly necessary on a racist imageboard devoted to a hippie’s conception of the hero of a thiusand faces.

Why do you faggots always come in and try to start telling regulars what they can and can’t say?

>>19366

Alright then. He shouldn't tell people what they can or can't post, but you shouldn't get so fucking bitchy about it. Now stop derailing the thread you fucks.

>>19365

The EU references in Solo and all of the Marvel comics since TFA came out have been superficial Easter Eggs against the backdrop of something bland and colorless. It's depressing watching old fans try to delude themselves by seeing the Sith Empire logo in the Lando comics and hype up that The Old Republic era is getting reinstated.

They're coming for that next, though. When post-RotJ era Nu-Lore finally wears out they'll defile the Old Republic timeline in a desperate ploy for shekels.

>>19366

You're only impressing yourself, sugartits. You can say whatever you want, but that doesn't mean I can't point out it (and you) are autistic and gay. You can easily avert that by not being such a retard.

>>19365

Wookiepedia used to be a good resource, but it's been shitted up ever since soy wars. also, I can confirm that Wikia is cucked and run by corporate interests. a number of communities have left them and formed their own sites as part of the NIWA alliance.

we have the holonet, but last I checked there's not enough content on there. maybe we could port in Wookiepedia material, provided it predates soy wars.

>>19375

>Now stop derailing the thread you fucks.

This is a thread about Jews hating superheroes. How is it being derailed by mentioning /pol/?

>>19387

>I can't point out it (and you) are autistic and gay.

Nothing is more autistic and gay than screeching about nu-pol. I get it, you don’t like the bad things posted there. Grow a thicker skin.

>>19296

>>19281

>(You)

>>19387

Ever played on the /pol/andcraft autismblox server?

>>19408

<Calling out faggotry is worse than the bullshit itself

No.

>I get it

No. You do not. Likely because autism.

>>19141

>the galaxy would've been better off if the Empire remained in power

That's the whole point. It WOULD'VE been better, because the Empire was a better government. If anything it's a well-earned slap in the face to leftist politicking in the media; the authoritarian empire ended up being better than the anarchistic democracy.

>>19603

The Fel Empire was the best government though. Funnily enough, the end result in one of the chronologically last EU stories was a triumvirate made up of the shitty republic, the Jedi Order and the remnants of the Fel Empire. It would've only been a matter of time before the Empire took hold of the top position again.

I always saw it as the Light Side was natural and was gained by co-operating with the force (nature) which would be more subtle like moving a stone while the Dark Side was the user bending the force to their will

>>19626

This essentially is what I always thought.

>>19626

>>19631

I view it as two sides of the same coin, the Force's yin and yang. One can't exist without the other, and the fatal flaw of the Jedi and Stih is they believe you have to be whole-Light or whole-Dark, which is why they keep failing again and again.

>>19282

>literally a special snowflake

No wonder the rebellion was such a disaster.

>>19626

this

I like Grey Jedi Discussions.

>>19626

>>19678

I Always viewed it as the force being a separate entity but was the fuel for the conflict of two "wills" Light and Dark. The Force itself is "life". Also, that non-sentient creatures can't be considered light or dark, unless something else has some heavy influence on it, like darkside ghost all over that forest. Anything that is just simple survive can't be marked a good or evil, its just is "life". Lion isn't evil for eating prey. Light and Dark also builds up in the creature. Much like how Darkside starts building up, so too does the lightside. There are no take backs, doing something good does not take away darkside build up and voice versa, and you can't remove any "light/dark" build up completely. At least not with something incredibly drastic like a mind wipe, and even then not completely. However having a lot more in one direction would determine "your side". This is just the basic idea, talking about lightside, darkside and "universal" usage is another wall of text.

>>19688

Are you the one from the other grey jedi discussions, or are there a few people posting that image? I honestly don't see why grey jedi gets fedora association. I thought Sith would get that association.

>>19800

>I honestly don't see why grey jedi gets fedora association.

I think in this case the fedora association is from grey Jedi being in many cases "le rational big brain centrists"–many authors just use it as an excuse to create special snowflake characters that fight for Good™ while using Sith lightning.

>>19801

grey jedi want to have their cake and eat it too. they want the quick gains of the dark side without the cost, and enlightenment/peace of mind without the discipline. you can't have it both ways.

>>19805

Sure, I'm not great with greentext but this is the run down:

Background:

>Set just before ROTS, Alternate history, all characters still where they should be

>Anakin is poster boy of republic, Obi-Wan negotiator, Sheev is the chancellor but noone gives a shit really/no suspicion or metagaming

>Party are CIS commanders from outer rim all aligned for their own reasons under Dooku

>Not an evil campaign, a libertarian one

>Me, Nelvaanian Imperial Agent type repurposed for the campaign, no force ability and down right hates the stuff

>Human Outer rim Pilot with Force sensitive background (untrained), basically Kyle Katarn

>One of my favorites, Genosian Assassin who is pissed about his planet getting wrecked despite being rational

>All too far away from the center galaxy to really 'get' what's going on or influence the plot

>GM also had some spattering of aid-characters like an HK rip off etc but not important

>Campaign begins with the three of us finding that a squad of jedi (3 Padawan, 2 Masters) and their clones have taken residence on Dantooine and we're sent to go 'handle' it in an assault

>Espionage style track the Jedi to a near by ruin of a Jedi Temple (The one from KOTOR)

>Track and seperate the Jedi slowly using stealthy droideka/deployment squads

>Each of us faces off with a Jedi in a seperate area

>Use the atton rand strategy of using toxins and psychedellics (added some fluff with Nelvaanians having adapted to the peyote like substances through ritual use etc)

>Jedi high as hell, fights my Agent who goes full tarzan throwing away his civility to fight like his 'ancient' people with a literal shiv and a stick

>Battle of the peyote rages on with visions of the future and past raging through our minds

>Force is strong in this place, Jedi begins to freak out

>My character starts talking him down explaining it's a chemical and it's explained easily

>"THIS IS A SITH TRICK" Jedi goes berserk assuming dark side power

>explain how the force is indifferent, that it's just a fancy way of saying nature and jedi are more or less psychics that autistically follow code in dramatic speech

>negotiation high enough to convince

>Padawan falls to his knees in tears denying it as he considers falling to the darkside

>explain how the darkside is just as stupid and a corruption of nature to be selfish

>Padawan is hopeless now, character explains this is how he feels as a none force user in the galaxy at all times etc

>Picks up the padawans sabre and lays it in front of him, tells him to do the honorable thing

>Jedi commits seppuku

>Tarzan Nelvaanian simply watches as he knows his master will feel the break soon

–

Was a fun campaign, we're still going with it being around the time of New Hope now. Order 66 was insanely fun.

We had a system where we would 'roll' for story events in the center system, most went along with the movies but some changes did happen along the way (Anakin never gets burned up, Obi Wan did instead as we rolled Anakin winning and decided fuck it, just flip it and make Obi-Wan a Malgus like being on Tatooine now)

Dooku straight up tells them that Sheev is not to be trusted making Order 66 go faster etc etc.

Now we're working for the Empire on the outer rim. Haven't encountered a single canon character as it should be except for Villie in passing but was never a major plot point.

>>19817

You just need to teleport behind someone and say ‘nothing personal, kid.’

>>19817

>Killed padawan through subversion and drugs.

heh

>>19819

Also this. I assume that is what you where going with the nihilistic part, right?

>>19822

How? That scene has nothing that you could even try and make a point out of or grasp to. Most of the people in that scene have never even met Luke or probably don't even know what a Jedi even is.

Also how does metal remain on fire like that? Was the doos made out of a wood or some kind of plastic? I know the metal is hot but metal is a solid and it takes a whole lot of energy to even get to its liquid state, so I could understand if the metal was still melting a bit but for the metal to go from solid to gas after the initial blast is impossible.

The Phantom Menace did it right with a more scientifically accurate scene showing the liquefying but no actual fire on the metal itself. They also showed perfectly how quickly the metal cooled because metals are great heat conductors and can take a lot of heat and still dissipate it across their surface.

>>19827

*doors

>>19810

I get that. A non trained/undisciplined would run the risk of falling to the dark side with constant use. Even if the user only used dark side powers as a fall back, its not much of a fall back, if the user constantly ends up in drastic situations that forces them to use things lightning or grip.

On that note, if the user constantly keeps using the force to heal other beings, that would cause the user to go into the light as well. Unless its being done for more selfish reasons, like say a healer/doctor that only works on rich patients. Assuming the healer does only the bare minimum to survive outside of work. Which would raise the question of why would the healer cares about money then? A fair point but not what I'm getting at. Even in that case, the healer would be much further away from the "center", yet I wouldn't call them "lightside", but I couldn't call them "darkside".

A simple way of putting it would be

>Not darkside does not imply lightside.

>Creature will not stab you in your sleep.

does not imply

>Creature will heal you if wounded.

In the case where light is life, and dark is anti-life, grey just becomes an issue of semantics, where greys are users that are far too close to the darkside threshold, or have even just crossed it, but can cross back without too much difficulty, but the darkside pull gets stronger and should get stronger to the point a full on "redemption" would be needed, and the user would don't dare mess around with darkside powers again. This of course would still make them defacto lightside, most of the time.

>>19811

>'balance of the Force' is closer to the definition of balance in martial arts.

> Force, it's balance is not a tug-of-war where the light must pull exactly as much as the dark, the balance of the Force is when the Force is in total control.

I agree with this, which is why I think light and dark are two different things, its two different ''forces', and to use a similar example, is pulling on a fighter. Mastery of Light can offset Dark's pull, and have several advantages, but it still would have some inherent disadvantages too, but it still far better then a T-pose. The force itself would be the fighters own life force, or maybe the other way around?

A proper "balanced" pose could also exist, but would also have its fair share of advantages and disadvantages. As far as how that would effect the fighter's personality, assuming those tie into this. This would make him not greedy, but not charitable, which might make him stingy. This is of course assuming greed and charity are opposite of each other, which they are not, but it is just unlikely to be both, probably a better example.

>>19801

Good and evil are not objective though. There's nothing evil about shooting lightning out of your fingers, it's how you use it.

It's ironic when people call moral complexity a "brainlet" concept and we should instead flock to shining knights slaying old dark mean nasty dragons. Not saying you're doing that, but I've seen it, and it makes no sense. Children think the world's black and white and maybe we all did too, but when we grew up, we realized that wasn't the case.

>>19829

for the record, I'm fine with force users falling somewhere in between and/or being generalists. however, I don't think it's executed well. the idea of Grey Jedi is usually to take the advantages of both sides with none of the drawbacks, which to me is absurd. Greys should be plebs who are weaker than both the Jedi and Sith, who are specialists.

>>19832

*Even so, if he is considered grey, he would have a strong preference to light.

>>19832

>This as well, at the very least, in what they can or can't do.

to elaborate, Greys would have the advantage of drawing from a wider range of Force abilities. they'd be jacks of all trades, masters of none. Jedi and Sith may be more limited, but by mastering their respective side of the Force, they become more powerful than a Grey who dabbles in both.

>>19830

That's because Star Wars like most hero-fiction is based around some pretty fundamental truths about morals and part of it is teaching them again because as George Lucas said, in the eras they were made, they were lost and not told and taught to youths anymore. Instead it's all grey moral zone hence why it appeals so much to very modern fags who can't see the beauty in it's simplicity while still asking some pretty complex moral questions like the ones Anakin gets in RoTs where he is manipulated into a situation where he either has to save his wife and son or destroy a sith and all the circumstances that brought him to his ultimate decision.

I mean the best thing the prequels did was showing, just because you try and stay on the right side of the force, doesn't mean you're not flawed or doesn't make mistakes. The Jedis made many mistakes, even Obi-Wan did.

>>19837

Thematically, yes, what actually happens, characters get cool new powers, yellow eyes, and bad skin because they really want something. This is a reoccurring issue when discussing this, and I'm really simplifying it to boot.

>>19837

Balance has to do with the Sith trick of clouding the Force in darkness. They upset the balance because they could make it dark and disable the ability of the Jedi to use the Force.

Balance is restored when Palpatine dies because the method of dark side clouding is stoppedand no one exists to continue it. It has nothing to do with dark and light side force usage, it has to do wifh something the Sith learned how to do that was unnaturally perverting the Force.

>>19841

That doesn't make any sense though. The Force doesn't give a shit if by some subjective standards you're "good" or "evil", it's the Cosmic Force. It spreads beyond universes and dimensions. It surpasses something like a man-made concept of morality. Palpatine says it well: he doesn't consider himself evil, he views that as a man-made label for those you fear. Whether he's right or wrong is subjective, just like morals.

>>19839

>modern fags who can't see the beauty in its simplicity

I mean, there's nothing wrong with wanting more complexity. If anything it looks like it's the opposite bunch who gets angry. Say you like Kreia and see how fast the rageplies come in.

>>19851

>people dont like kreia

I thought that was a meme. What's not to like about her?

>>19821

Yeah but that's the point of the character, he's wrong but I like the idea of somebody hating 'the force' as a concept. I even have him use old atheist youtuber debating points. It's been fun.

>>19822

I CAN'T UNDERSTAND YOU GO BACK TO YOUR COUNTRY

>>19851

>That doesn't make any sense though. The Force doesn't give a shit if by some subjective standards you're "good" or "evil", it's the Cosmic Force.

That’s flatly contradicted by Lucas, who said the existence of the Sith was throwing the Force out of balance. The Force has a concept of good and evil since it ultimately is the psychic power of a powerful alien race. I’m not sure where you got the idea it doesn’t.

>>19989

The Whills. George’s sequel trilogy would have been about them and their relationship to the Force, and how ultimately the Force is because of them.

>>20009

Well, it's true that it's usually wrong and cruel to kill someone by electrocuting them slowly to death.But! Sheev killed an evil nigger who attempted a coup, so it was just self-defense. It was an treason, after all.

>>19993

And yet more proof George Lucas is a fucking hack who didn't understand what made Star Wars so good in the first place.

>>20297

Okay Mike. Your little videos were so right. Let us know when Space Cop 2 comes out

>>20313

>if you think George was a hack you're RLM

Listen George, people were shitting on your 1-man production long before Kike Cucklasa came along. The original trilogy was a cooperative effort to capture the zeitgeist of the time, the prequels were nothing but you jerking off in a corner and your faggy little Whills fanfaction level bullshit proves it.

>>20313

Oh and don't think the prequels get off just because they're better than the trash that is the Nu-Trilogy. Just because someone puts shit on a plate doesn't mean the trash on the other plate is suddenly a fine meal.

>>20316

>>20317

>REEEEEEE muh childhood

How does it feel, knowing you turned Star Wars into this tranny shit because you couldn't accept that you weren't a young boy anymore?

Apologize to George. It is the only way to save your putrid soul.

>>20320

<REEEEEEE muh childhood

It's worse than that in a way. Most of these soyboys are too young to have seen the OT in theaters in the first place, yet still try to cash in on the raped childhood meme because it's trendy. They're like a nu-male version of those Jews who claim they've experienced transgenerational trauma from the Holocaust.

>>20348

>RedLettermedia is generally correct about everything he says about the prequels

No. All of his advice was followed religiously by Disney and the result is the sequels. Watch the TLJ review and watch how often they say, 'in theory' this is could be good. It's all shit they wanted to see and they are forced to recognize it's terrible.

The prequels are good, entertaining films meant for boys that adults can enjoy.

>>20349

Just because they didn't make the same mistakes the prequels did doesn't mean they can't make other mistakes. You're thinking in binary here. The problem is the Disney films suck for different reasons, they just tick a lot more basic bitch film film making check boxes than the prequels did.

>>20359

>It was unrealistic for them to cater to EU fans by confusing normie audiences with references to the Yuuzhan Vong and such.

I have to disagree on that, as movies based on comic books are filled with obscure references that only diehard fans may recognize but serve as an opportunity to introduce casual audiences to them and may even allow for re-introductions or updated adaptations. Before the Captain America movies, no casual ever heard of Arnim Zola. Hell, someone drops mention of the "Vong War" and it'll make people just as curious as when they first heard of the "Clone Wars" in A New Hope, unlike the Disney Trilogy which was just dropping references and terms which really held no weight or a basis beyond "sounding cool". Solo tried to do something in a similar bane to Marvel movies by referencing EU material and characters, but by this point it was already too late for anyone to give a shit thanks to the changes set forth by the preceding films (and TLJ alienating even casual audiences), and it didn't help that Solo's new backstory felt rushed and poorly constructed thanks to all the moronic behind the scenes reshooting due to Lucasfilm, Kennedy, Disney, or whoever was the one primarily bitching, never being satisfied with what Lord and Miller offered.

>This is primarily because people don't read as much as they watch films

I think it's safe to say the majority of the western world barely reads at a;; now, unless its Twilight and Harry Potter, but even those barely make up half of their respective fandoms. Nobody actively reads these days unless they're forced to due to educational purposes or work-related matters, which should be a rather telling sign as to where we're headed as a society. Only subjects people actively read these days are facebook and twitter posts.

Also I really like how normalfags will only diss Lucas and what he approves of when its convenient for them, but then they do a 180 when it comes to bashing the EU like saying uninformed shit like "he outright said that he hated it and doesn't approve of anything in it" or using Lucas's "approval" of TFA, RO and TLJ as to why these movies should be loved yet will not hesitate to shit on him when he gave his own idea for the sequels.

>>20353

I agree with pretty much everything you posted there, especially the awful tone shifts. But I'd also say that their EU bashing isn't really that prevalent. There was the one video where they read the wiki article on Darth Vader's suit and how autistically detailed it was, but I always saw it as more lighthearted jabs and less "DUH EU IS SO STOOPID" I mean, c'mon, you have to admit that Palpatine renaming the hospitals after himself is pretty funny, and the awful abbreviation EmPal SuRecon.

But Mike especially (and Rich to a lesser extent) is quick to point out the stupidity in Star Trek as well. He's well aware that all these different sci-fi universes have their ups and downs, and some really dumb shit, but he still enjoys them. You can nitpick the hell out of something or laugh at its dumber parts, but still have a thorough enjoyment of it.

And they've been shitting on Disney Wars ever since Rogue One. I really don't get the whole "RLM are Disney apologists" meme around here. Yeah, they were kinda soft on TFA, but there was always the caveat of "okay, you made the nostalgia bait, now give us something new." Disney instead kept diving into the nostalgia well, and now we've had another three movies of [reference] and [reference] and [things I know], with the same basic structure as the OT, just a lot worse. It was the same complaint they made with Star Trek: Into Darkness, where it was literally Wrath of Khan again but worse.

I dunno, I'm probably rambling because I'm tired. I guess I'm tired of seeing both extremes with regards to RLM, the fanboy worship and the extreme hatred. Like, they're just some hack frauds from Milwaukee, chill out.

>>20354

That's not what I said. They sequels explicitly avoided what RLM said was bad and practiced what they said was good.

>>20353

>>20364

>RedLettermedia is generally correct about everything they say about the prequels.

nah RLM is a comedy channel, they're totally inept at actual criticism. They have ZERO credentials, compared to someone like Armond White or Richard Brody. That being said, of course RLM is allowed to have fun and pretend. Their powerful force of dishonest gen x cynisism provides a nice and much needed counter balance to the excessive turbonerd consumerist attitudes you seen in pop culture fandom today.

>>20366

I have to agree. RLM really do like they're not valid critics, what with their channel being more of an entertaining comedy that comes off as a parody of critics, even if they don't realize

>>20364

Also this. The last couple of posts in this thread might be worth screencapping.

>>20353

>the admittedly hard-to-articulate autistic soullessness of them.

this. I agree with everything you said, but I think there's a core of decent storytelling in the prequels. it's just buried under layers of CGI overload, poor execution, and the issues you mentioned.

>>20363

>I think it's safe to say the majority of the western world barely reads at a;; now, unless its Twilight and Harry Potter, but even those barely make up half of their respective fandoms. Nobody actively reads these days unless they're forced to due to educational purposes or work-related matters, which should be a rather telling sign as to where we're headed as a society. Only subjects people actively read these days are facebook and twitter posts.

even more this.

>>20366

But they are right. You've not explained why their points are wrong. Also Armond White is contrarian.

>>20382

>I should also mention that the official reason given by Disney was that catering to the EU would stifle their creative freedom. If the EU was as popular as pop Star Wars they'd have been obligated to do it, because the net benefit in their eyes wouldn't be there.

I don't think popularity would've mattered since the Marvel movies referenced things that were obscure and/or unpopular to the casual audiences, and its proven successful because it helped to reintroduce them and recreate them. I'm pretty sure Disney just wanted to take the easiest shortcut possible, that and JJ prefers retconning things that aren't his own while shoving in mystery boxes that can't be spoilered, and its clear they've realized their mistake now what with Solo shoehorning in as many EU references as they could (which felt like they just skimmed through Wookieepedia) and the recent Clone Wars revival which has somewhat succeeded in converting easily swayed sheep back to the Disney side.

On another note, didn't Leland Chee say that the possible real reason the EU was canned was because it killed off Chewbacca? He works on the inside and he's an EU buff, so his word might be worth trusting more than the ones written up by Kennedy's drones for the sake of damage control.

>>20383

>Armond White

Who? And I have to agree that while RLM does seem overly hateful of the prequels, they do make solid points, and even EU fans were initially dissatisfied with Episode I in how loosely it was connected to pre-existing novels and other media.

>>20353

>RedLettermedia is generally correct about everything they say about the prequels

>Me personally I've always hated the prequel art design. It just doesn't look Star Wars to me.

>My main issue with RLM is that they don't like the EU

Christ how is it possible for someone to be this unnuanced? Don't get me wrong, I love the EU too and get angry everytime someone makes fun of it, but you are literally an NPC my man. You are literally an assassin's creed-tier NPC. Worse than a normie. You are a computer program.

>>20389

How? I don't follow.

>>20359

>It was unrealistic for them to cater to EU fans by confusing normie audiences with references to the Yuuzhan Vong and such.

They could have gone literal decades without touching the Vong or other divisive stuff like Dark Empire. Old Republic movies, Rogue Squadron movies, Thrawn, Shadows of the Empire, there's so much there. They bought a license to print money and threw it in the garbage.

>>20393

This. I'm honestly wondering if Disney is actually managed by idiots. Marvel movies do mostly well due to Marvel studios being mostly independent, yet the management for the comics, games and merch has been utterly mediocre or downright terrible.

>>20390

>It's this weird psychological thing that happens that's hard to explain, but it's based on the EU being, once again, mostly relatively inaccessible reading-based media

Is there a proper name for this? Its like some sort of new age psychological contempt for books in general that coincides well with things like YOLO culture.

>>20398

>Is there a proper name for this?

Degeneracy. Tech-enabled short attention span if you want to get more specific.

>>20398

I don't think it's some pervasive anti-book mentality per say, I think it's more specifically in that context and kinda lowkey.

>>20402

Certainly seems anti-book when you see reactions to non-mainstream reading material on sites like twitter, facebook and youtube (much like my time in the shitpit that was college). Most that are actually avid readers have stuff like Ready Player One as their #1 "Must Read" because of all the memes, toilet humor and 80s references.

>>20403

It's more to do with books juxtaposed to the films that spawned them, than books in general, when it comes to EU bashing.

>>20359

>confusing audiences with ebin references

>u r just defending le prequels out of le spite for le Jews xD

You can go back anytime now >>>/marvel/

>>>/leddit/

>>>/suicide/

>>20415

Prequels are just autistic films in general with exceptions. There's a soullessness to the film making and tone shifts all over. To be honest parts of them are embarrassing. Disney stuff sucks too.

>>20458

The most appealing thing about the prequels was the setting, visuals and ideas presented, the execution was atrocious though and they already felt like Disney films even back then. Now if they had gone with Timothy Zahn's idea for the Clone Wars, that would've been something. In the end what saved the prequels was the EU media surrounding it like the games, books and guides that expanded upon the limited scope of the films and made them feel better if you had delved into the tie-in stories. Genndy Wars along with the games in particular are what truly made me love the prequels. And b4 anyone assumes anything, no, I don't think Jar Jar was shit. He helped to serve as the eyes for the audience in a setting that would've felt alien to them, in fact the only Jar Jar scenes that were genuinely unneeded were the ones where he gets his tongue paralyzed and where an Eopie farts in his face which just ruins the mood of the impressive flag-carrying scene.

The main issue with the EU is more than half of it is generic Rebelwank about "muh evil dum nazees" where X-Wings are masturbated and Wedge Antilles blows up 700 Executors with a blaster pistol.

If more of the EU was less cucked, like Empire-as-heroes, I'd like it more.

Who let the shills in here? GET OUT OF THIS THREAD, how the fuck is the quality of the prequels and RLM on topic of this thread?

>>20516

Does it really matter? Like, we all know (((who))) is behind the destruction of Star Wars. It was inevitable that discussion would meander to other topics. Y'know, because that's what happens in a conversation, you move on to other things as you exhaust a particular topic.

>>20509

Lots of the EU treats the Remnant as just another faction and not uniquely evil.

>>20515

>Yeah I guess you're talking about the X-Wing novels but who cares they were awesome, and furthermore they didn't…imply-politicize it like they're doing with Disney.

The X-Wing novels absolutely did. The difference is that they had a layer of abstraction that's not present in nucanon. Both treat the rebels/resistance as being good because of their diversity, but in the X-Wing books that diversity is shown through them having lots of weird aliens, as opposed to nucanon where it's shown through the main characters being niggers and strong womyn. X-Wing is also a little bit more nuanced and willing to show the bad sides of diversity, like Gavin Darklighter almost getting lynched because a Bothan calls him a bigot (he then ends up fucking said Bothan because Stackpole is a furfag, but that's another subject entirely).

>>20518

I miss Bothan bashing. Nu-Canon just does its best to avoid Bothans altogether and never show them while re-using that same god-awful "many bothans died" line over and over again, even as a joke.

>>20320

>reddit spacing

>shit that doesn't apply to me

>>20509

>the empire should be the heroes

Found the edgelord.

>>20569

>r-reddit spacing

Go back to /v/ nigger. You ruined Star Wars.

>>20573

>somehow OTfans are responsible for the Disney movies

<even though the Disney movies shit all over the EU and OT characters

Disney ruined Star Wars and trying to blame it on OT fans is supreme cuckoldry. You're basically selling out your own fandom because you're a newfag.

>>20518

I've only finished book one of X-wing so far, but wasn't the diversity shit at least partially self-aware? Early in the book, I think Horn was commenting on how there were so many token ayys around and either Wedge or some other higher-up acknowledged that it was really just a PR stunt to get more worlds on board with the Rebellion/New Republic.

>>20569

>>20637

>only redditors can linebreak twice

Your own image gives it away, you autist, as >>20320 is single-spaced after the greentext quote. If there was a line in between the quoted posts and the quote, and between the quote and the reply, you might have a point.

>>20660

> Early in the book, I think Horn was commenting on how there were so many token ayys around and either Wedge or some other higher-up acknowledged that it was really just a PR stunt to get more worlds on board with the Rebellion/New Republic.

Almost everyone in the squadron, including the humans, is there for political reasons as well as for their flying skills. Erisi Dlarit and Bror Jace are there because of their bacta cartel connections. Dealing with political/bureaucratic interference is a big part of the conflict early on in the books. It's an interesting contrast to TLJ, which has the same kind of conflict but tries to make the hotshot pilot wrong and the bureaucratic cunt right (while not really succeeding).

>>20664

Right, yeah. So while there was still some amount of "Rebels r gud cuz dey diverse, dey give Rhodians mo money fo dem programs," it was tempered a bit by the author acknowledging that this decision was made for pragmatic reasons rather than lofty, multi-species idealism.

If I had saved that webbum of the Asian chick droning "diversityyyy" in a deadeyed monotone I would post it.

>>20570

>liking the right side makes you an edgelord