No.14571 [Last50 Posts]
So, I've noticed that the overall reception of RLM and their take on Star Wars is pretty negative on that board. While I think this is perfectly understandable, and they're certainly not above criticism, I think they're treated a bit unfairly. Let me explain:
>inb4 shill thread
To get a few things out of the way first:
1) I do think that most of the criticism they leveled at the prequels are valid, they really blew it out of proportion. I also think that at least some of it can be attributed to comedic effect.
2) I'm certain that they played a major part in turning a large part of the fanbase against George Lucas. It was probably not their intention, though.
3) While I found their verdict on TFA (as well as the Plinkett Review) a bit baffling, I think some of it can be explained without bringing Disney money into it.
4) I'm not going to discuss the Plinkett reviews in detail in this post, but feel to do so.
5) The reviews are overpraised.
6) This thread isn't about trying to make you like them.
I think the consensus is that the prequels, while flawed, are not bad movies per se and are a great addition to the Star Wars mythos. So, why do I think Stoklasa was so harsh on them? It's simple, really. Stoklasa is not really a Star Wars fan. That's evident from the reviews, where he mentions that he has no interest in the EU material, he directly states that he doesn't read any of the novels and doesn't play any of the video games. He just likes the movies as a trilogy of competently made, greatly written and well-produced, overall fantastic Science Fantasy movies, while fans like us appreciate the mythos and the universe, to which the prequels were an overall great addition, as I've said. As movies themselves, however, they were flawed in many terms, which is what I think is the reason for his dislike.
So, why the positive reception to TFA? I think that's also simple. While I personally hated the movie, I do have to concede that it's for the most part competently made and, with some exceptions, follows the template of how a Star Wars movie works pretty well. I think it's entirely possible that that was enough for him to like it, along with buying into the hype of seeing a new Star Wars film that followed the OT more than the prequels. Further evidence of that would be his negative reaction to Rogue One, which was obvious soyboy fanbait with shit characters, and TLJ, which was a total mess, both in terms of filmmaking in general (and Star Wars films in particular).
As I see it, people kind of look to Stoklasa as some kind of Star Wars guru, which he certainly isn't. Again, he's not even a real Star Wars fan. While I still personally find his perspective interesting, even when I'm disagreeing with him, people should stop treating him as some sort of expert on Star Wars movies. That includes his fans as well as his detractors. He's just a guy who knows a bit about filmmaking, and who loves the original Star Wars trilogy, but without a deeper understanding of the mythos or universe.
Or he's just a Disney shill.
tl;dr: I think when it comes to Star Wars, y'all should stop shitting on RLM. You just should stop giving a shit about what they think because Stoklasa doesn't really know what he's talking about beyond technical film stuff.
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No.14572
>>14571
I also just realized that I'm shit at proofreading.
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No.14573
>>14572
That's the least of your problems tbh.
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No.14575
First of all, what really sticks out in favor of calling them Disney shills is the amount of merchandise in their Nerd Crew videos. Who the fuck "ironically" buys all that when they constantly bitch about merchandise and fanboys in their videos? Second of all, they've had more influence than people would like to admit. RLM was put on the radar by Simon Pegg and Damon Lindeloff, who both have been involved with Bad Robot productions as writers and J. J. Abrams himself. Rian Johnson has directly tweeted about loving and fearing them. They have influenced people working on Disney's Star Wars if they're getting shout outs from prominent people. Why else would actual filmmakers bring up nobody Youtubers?
RLM has gotten a ton of interest from people in Hollywood over the last decade and that corresponds with their decline in quality. Mike and Jay are failed filmmakers. Their films are bad enough to qualify for Best of the Worst and they know it, which is why Space Cop was "intentionally bad", despite them complaining about stuff like Sharknado doing the same. Both are self aware enough that they don't want to be an Ed Wood, so they go full irony about everything they work on. With real people in Hollywood paying attention to them, they put on the kid's gloves towards reviewing things and are slowly adopting LA political attitudes in their humor. They would trade everything they had to make a "real" movie in a heartbeat, regardless if that would ever occur, so they've cleaned up HitB and you'll never see jokes like the Olsen Twins or other Plinkett classics. Mike and Jay want someone to pick them up to work on a real movie, so they have to be clean for Hollywood. Even when they do bitch about how cinema is filled with mindless shitty movies, they'll turn around in the actual review and say it's good.
Mike, Jay, and Rich also have an ego that refuses them to admit they were wrong about Star Wars, so they will increasingly refuse to admit any faults in the new movies. Watch (on hooktube or something) their TLJ review. No funny sets, because they were more concerned about the meta opinion around the movie than actually reviewing it. Can't do comedy bits when you're endlessly editing the conversation to keep it positive. No recommendation at the end, just "you know if you want to see it or not". Why make a 40 minute review then, if you can't give any solid answer? They've said yes or no with exceptions so it's not absolute, why the change? Every time they bring up a fault, it'll be a hard edit to them bringing up the Mary Sue insult or other fan jabs at the movies or them, and proceed to attack the original movies instead of defending the new ones. Why make 3 theatrical films bitching about how the prequels ruined Star Wars, then turn around to say they were always shit when the new ones come out? Don't be surprised if they start ignoring the films altogether as the quality gets even worse. For fucks sake, they did a Plinkett review on TFA that spent more time on the prequels than TFA. RLM has not a single pair of testicles left among them. Even if they did, they couldn't look down and tell.
Fuck RLM, they had a hand in ruining Star Wars whether they accept it or not. Mike, Jay, and Rich rode Lucas' ass for the tiniest details, then turn around and kiss Disney's ass while complaining about others doing what they got e-famous on. They're more interested in complaining about the audience reaction than the film since they're so cozy with the actual production crews nowadays. The only solace is they'll never make a film remotely watchable, are stuck entertaining the same fanboys they hate as their job, and Star Trek is also being dragged through the mud.
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No.14577
>>14575
>First of all, what really sticks out in favor of calling them Disney shills is the amount of merchandise in their Nerd Crew videos.
Well, it's a show parodying all of those garbage tier "le nerd culture xD" podcasts, and they've got to get their props from somewhere. You could make a similar argument about Ethan van Sciver, who buys Star Wars toys to shit on them. I don't think that points towards them being shills.
I can't really comment on their movies since I haven't seen any of them, but I suspect it boils down to money. It's not easy making a genre movie on a shoestring budget (I've tried), especially sci-fi. I don't think they're amazingly talented or anything, but since HitB is made with relative competence, they might do better on a bigger budget. I'm talking out of my ass on this, though, so take it with a grain of salt. I do have to say that I don't really see them sucking up to Hollywood, to me it seems more like that they're doing their own thing and just get noticed because they have a large fanbase and present themselves as professionals. And most of the time they bring on someone from the industry it's for a specific reason, like Max Landis after his Twitter tirade.
>Mike, Jay, and Rich also have an ego that refuses them to admit they were wrong about Star Wars, so they will increasingly refuse to admit any faults in the new movies.
That is spot on. When Jay called Daisy Ridley "charismatic as hell", it came off as passive-aggressive towards the people who called them out on glossing over the fact that that horse-faced bitch can't act for shit, same with Rich Evans mocking people for calling Rey a Mary Sue.
>Watch (on hooktube or something) their TLJ review.
I'll do that. I don't remember much of it, just that they were shitting on the movie relatively hard.
I don't really have anything to add to the rest of your post.
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No.14578
>RLM
Don't they felate the nuTrilogy? That's enough reason for me to disregard anything they have to say about Star Wars immediately.
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No.14579
>>14578
>Don't they felate the nuTrilogy?
Not really. They sucked TFA's dick, made fun of Rogue One and shat on TLJ. That doesn't really help, though, because they let TFA get away with a lot of stuff they critizised about the prequels, which is bad enough.
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No.14582
>>14579
>They sucked TFA's dick
Close enough for me. That's like loving abortions, but hating that it causes dead fetuses.
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No.14583
>>14579
>They sucked TFA's dick
They did it twice: HitB and the Plinkett Review, where they spent half of it shitting on the prequels and "debunking" weird fantheories about the PT and the OT.
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No.14584
>>14577
I understand where the idea is coming from, but I disagree with having to buy the actual merchandise. It would be far funnier as a joke to make either fake merch or buy shitty Chinese knock-off products instead. They don't have to be Disney shills to buy them, but I find it harder to accept them "ironically" buying them after the amount of bitching they do about the merch. Who gets that upset about product whoring, only to further contribute to it?
I get the expense, but that's why you make a more down to earth movie if you're broke, not sci-fi or fantasy. If Kevin Smith can make Clerks in the 90's for a little under $30,000, RLM could make something similar in quality with their Patreon bux. I watched The Recovered when they streamed it one time back in 2013, it was Best of the Worst levels of quality, unironically. From the clips of Space Cop passed around, I wouldn't be surprised if it was on par with the Nostalgia Critic "films". They're able to make a competent set to sit in for just talking, but anything beyond that and they're still at the same level as the Walker brothers. I've noticed in the case of Max Landis, any future reviews involving his films up until I stopped watching were noticably softer, even if they didn't like it. He was on their show and nice to them, so they responded and didn't attack. Maybe they are just getting softer in general and it isn't exclusive to him.
I think the passive-aggressiveness comes from them genuinely liking it and hating their fans for disagreeing, since a portion of their fanbase enjoys tearing into movies regardless of quality.. It's not easy defending something, especially if you're known for beating a trilogy to death over the smallest details, so they go radical centerist while attacking the audience for mocking TFA and say Star Wars was always dumb action. An example in TLJ review was Jay saying people think they're "clever" for noticing TFA was a ripoff of the original. People weren't thinking they were clever, they were angry that they got a soft reboot instead of a proper sequel. It's pretty dirty how they twist the criticisms and shut it down with mocking sarcasm instead of putting forward a counter argument.
The trick is watching how much of it is actually talking about the film versus talking about the fanbase. Tons of mitigation and the only real vitrol is directed towards the audience or people calling RLM on their shit. You can tell they know it's bad, but every time they get close to saying it, there's an awkward cut to Rich or Jay doing that mocking voice about Mary Sues or unsubscribing.
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No.14585
>>14584
I think them buying the merch boils down to them not giving a shit, really. Yeah, they complain about the merch, but it's gonna exist either way, so why not buy it as props? They're not nearly as invested in Star Wars, after all. That, and I think the joke works better if it's genuine merchandise and I don't even really like the Nerd Crew stuff, tbh.
>RLM could make something similar in quality with their Patreon bux.
Sure, but I guess that's just not their thing. I myself would prefer making the kind of movie I want to make, even if the result isn't that great due to a lack of funds. I mean, why would you do something you don't care for?
>I've noticed in the case of Max Landis, any future reviews involving his films up until I stopped watching were noticably softer, even if they didn't like it.
That seems true, now that you mention it. If I recall their Victor Frankenstein review, they seemed to try pretty hard to give props to the writing.
>The trick is watching how much of it is actually talking about the film versus talking about the fanbase.
Interesting. I'll try to watch out for that next time I watch it. All I remember are soundbites like
<Why the purple hair?
<Why that character?
<HAVE YOU SEEN STAR WARS?
I agree that the stuff you mentioned did stand out, but my overall impression was that they didn't like the movie. It's not like they tried to explain the flaws away or anything. And the fact that they didn't give a real verdict could be a middle-of-the-road kinda thing because the film was so polarizing.
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No.14587
>>14585
It's probably a difference in opinion then, but I think it's dumb to complain and still spend your money. Maybe I spend too much time on /v/, but that's how I feel.
Okay, maybe they could work around the budget for sci-fi with a low grade Men In Black. Mike apparently hates it for being a comedy, so they could make a serious one. The comic book version is very serious, black comedy the few times it does joke, and happens in more realistic locations to save on set costs. You just need a few alien suits and maybe one set for a small space ship or something. Would've been far more practical then Space Cop.
Yeah, they went really nice during that Frankenstein review. Don't know if it carried over to Bright if they reviewed it, but they definitely went softer than the LA movie with Kirsten Stewart.
There's a big chunk where they talk about fans, conventions, and how Disney's ownership feels. A running theme seems to be how sensitive they are to the audience, be it the people IRL, others on the internet, or their own commentators. They can't take the same heat they dished out in the prequels, and it shows. Just watch it again in the background or something. They won't outright say things are bad, just """weird""". It's always…some non-remark that's vague and non-threatening without any solid stance. A middle-of-the-road would be give it a shot, preferably at discount or video to lessen the blow. Not "we have no final verdict, you've made up your mind". That's a white flag of defeat where they refuse to give a definite answer.
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No.14588
>>14579
They're hypocrites. The things they criticized Rogue One for were the same things they praised about TFA. And their Suicide Squad video is one of the biggest examples of how they barely actually pay any attention to the movies they "watch" to the point where they had to concede and make an apology video, even though that wasn't their first hiccup, just their most notable one.
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No.14590
>>14571
> It was probably not their intention, though.
Yeah, just like how they don't always rag on the guy.
>>14575
Pretty much my thoughts on the matter while also doing your homework on RLM's faggotry.
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No.14593
RLM pretended Fandango lost their tickets to TLJ so they could wait a week before giving their review because they didn’t know what to do. When they reviewed it, the faggots had the temerity to say, “who even cares lol.”
Mike never liked Star Wars. He just always hated Lucas.
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No.14594
>>14575
>RLM has gotten a ton of interest from people in Hollywood over the last decade and that corresponds with their decline in quality.
What’s obvious about this is that they are getting the Harry Knowles treatment, where they are just being flattered -not even bribed, just flattered- to get positive reviews.
The other reason they are negatively received is that everything they said made good star wars was done in the new trilogy and it sucks. They got JJ Abrams like they wanted. As someone else pointed out, the entire TLJ review is them saying how ‘in theory’ all the choices were great because it’s all shit that group of manbabies always wanted to see. At some point you realize guys who can’t even make a good movie are giving advice about the biggest movie series of all time and that’s insane.
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No.14612
>>14593
This, they also lost their edge (joke/attitude wise). They for example were complaining and visibly shaken in one of their recent BotW videos because the actresses in this B movie(Mankillers) didn't have much on and their tits slipped out a few times( this is typical in a lot of B movies which is usually why people watch them). Grown men freaking out because a movie has tits..When exactly did they lose their balls? become puritans? and or stared eating a soy only diet?
>>14584
> It would be far funnier to buy shitty Chinese knock-off products instead.
Agreed, pics are for you. They have the $$$ to have some fake WTF level horrendous bootlegs made which could be used to further the joke the nerd crew shill joke.
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No.14613
>>14593
Mike I think was more surprised that the backlash was so big. Since his rant on Star Wars Weekend looking like a political rally where the candidate could do no wrong. He clearly hates the idea that its "to big to fail" when you have that much backing. He seemed "afraid" if thats the right word, of those numbers, but you could tell he was holding back. Disney went out of its way to shoot itself in the foot.
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No.14614
>>14578
>Don't they felate the nuTrilogy?
They are JewJew lovers and Lucas haters. Everything bad that Lucas has done is his fault, and everything good he has done is a work of other people. And vice versa, JJ is perfect, and everything bad about his movies is fault of other people (writers etc.). All of their "objective analysis" is just a rationalization of Mike's hatred of Lucas. He even shits on American Graffiti (and probably also THX).
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No.14622
>>14613
See, look at how asshurt Rich is about the people in the comments section. They can't handle the pushback.
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No.14624
>>14622
Rich has always been an immature reddit-tier prick honestly.
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No.14625
I'd like to double down on OP's thought that they don't understand Star Wars.
In their review of Blacked Panther, Jay says the villain is extremely well-written because he apparently shills for open borders. Bitch, no he fucking doesn't, Killmonger is a classical Saturday morning mustache-twirling shithead who wants to rule the world with a Wakandan empire. How the fuck is that open borders? Open borders implies the existence of separate countries but without any sort of legality an shiet of crossing between them.
So not only do they not understand Star Wars, they can't even comprehend basic Marvel writing. They're total morons who got lucky that so many people praised their prequel reviews.
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No.14635
>>14571
They also made a whole video dedicated to mocking the older Star Wars books and they did so by printing out scripts rather than actually getting copies of the books and then proceeded to make up lies and exaggerate dialogue for the sake of humor which their idiotic fanbase lapped up like thirsty dogs while delivering the usual anti-lore arguments.
<99% of everything that's not the OT and Thrawn/Kotor is garbage! Amirite fellow RLMites?
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No.14639
>>14635
They never did that. You're probably referring to the video where they printed out and read the entire Wookiepedia article on Darth Vader's suit, which is funny because of how autistically detailed it is, as well as some of the truly bizarre parts (like Sheev renaming the hospitals after himself after becoming emperor).
People these days don't seem to understand that you can pick apart a thing and still like it.
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No.14640
>>14639
Which wasn't even an accurate summary of the book. And they said several times, even in their review for TFA that they never liked the comics, especially Rich. For fuck's sake. These guys didn't pick it apart because they liked it. They just wanted to keep pissing off those that criticized their shitty review.
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No.14643
>>14639
<People these days don't seem to understand that you can pick apart a thing and still like it.
>throughout the video constantly point out how "laughably bad" these books and comics they didn't read are
>point out how "that shit is stupid and doesn't matter"
>entire comments section is nothing but Novel bashing and newfags only saying that Kotor or Thrawn were the only good things despite being entry level as fuck due to being shilled everywhere while saying that anything else is garbage
<they totally like it guys
Sure thing Mike.
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No.14652
While I like the prequels overall, I do still enjoy their prequel reviews, and think they raised some interesting points I never would have considered before.
I really lost faith in them when the new movies came along, and not only did they give them a pass, they started berating people for criticising the new movies as they had criticised the prequels.
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No.14653
>>14612
It's funny how they're now so sensitive about nudity in trashy b-movies. Didn't they once pay an actress (possibly a prostitute) to get naked for one of their Plinkett videos?
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No.14654
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>>14652
I honestly always had mixed views on the prequels myself. I always did enjoy them but I had beefs with them regardless. But I started losing interest in RLM before that, mostly because of Rich and AIDSMoby, but also because their reviews were becoming less and less informative and constructive, and as they revealed more of their personal tastes and experiences, the more I realized how unqualified they were for what they did. Around the time of TFA they became more and more cynical and full of themselves, but TFA was like the point of no return. Even the best of the worse is just them being pretentious assholes about shit that doesn't even have to do with movies while pretending they can do better than anyone else. Vid-related is a prime example.
>>14653
And they claim fucking Pink Flamingos is their favorite movie and a masterpiece despite being the most gross out film (with weird nudity) made during its time. But I guess that's fine since most of the characters in that film weren't attractive.
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No.14661
>>14622
>>14624
Rich being a manbabby is his charm, and is the best one of the lot because of it. Although it probably didn't help that after the review everyone single one of his twitch streams and comments for pre-rec where people bitching at him for not bitching enough about the new movie. So I get his frustration.
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No.14664
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>>14653
That chick that was tied up in the plinkett reviews?
Checkout 10:37 of their "classic movie" The Great Space Jam before they started eating soy.
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No.14667
>>14664
2015 always seems to be the period when they last prospered. I even remember them cracking some jokes about tumblr and sjws a few times. After that they just became over sensitive as fuck.
>>14661
Rich also used to believe in privacy and anonymity but now he shills for fucking government tracking chips being inserted into your skin apparently. >>14654 (near the end of the video). And that clearly wasn't sarcasm since even the comments section praises them on that and takes every edgy thing they said about it to heart. Honestly, that's the kind of shit I would've expected from that faggot moby 3 years ago.
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No.14671
Figure this is the thread to ask:
Did Zam Wesell's assassination plot with the space centipedes make sense? Was it supposed to fail (maybe to push Anakin and Padme together)?
I mean, the bombing failed, but Palpatine would know the security procedures for a Naboo senator, so they might be fucking it up on purpose?
Unfortunately I was a victim of RLM so I can't tell.
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No.14674
>>14671
I'd say part of it was. Not necessarily designed to fail, but the assassination was designed to be preventable. Palpatine knew that Jedi were guarding Amidala, and knew that their danger sense would alert them to the death centipedes. Whether the senator lived or died, Obi-Wan and Anakin would pursue Wessel, which after Fett killed her would lead them to Kamino and the clone army.
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No.14675
>>14667
Agreed, 2015 seems to have been the year when everything went to Mk ultra level insane.
When did the chicks from red letter media finally abandon ship (they couldn't even stomach what redletter turned into)? I want to say 2015 as well.
>Rich also used to believe in privacy and anonymity.
Rich can't take he criticism red letter is getting in the comments most likely.
Aids and that balding, stinky, soy eating numale, bearded hippy were the worst thing to happen to red letter media and I think they are in part to blame for their-current sjw tilt & retarded new fan base.
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No.14683
>>14661
Rich just strikes me as a very angry man. Like he was bullied too hard as a kid and he never got over it. I think he's going to flip out and beat a dog to death one day.
>>14664
I think it was a trailer for one of the Plinkett reviews. You start with a PoV shot from Plinkett, there's a prostitute in her underwear grinding on him, she takes off her bra, and her tits are obsured by a Star Wars logo or something.
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No.14721
>>14585
>I think them buying the merch boils down to them not giving a shit, really. Yeah, they complain about the merch, but it's gonna exist either way, so why not buy it as props?
It won’t exist either way. If everyone stopped buying Star Wars toys then they wouldn’t make them. Like the other anon said about him being on /v/ too much, my friends always buy EA games then complain about the quality not being the same as in commercials/trailers/announcements or being different games, yet every time a new EA game comes out they buy it. They say the same thing “well EA will keep releasing games anyways.” Which isn’t true, if all the people who didn’t like what EA or Disney are doing didn’t pay those comapnies to do that, they would lose a lot of money. I imagine it’s probably at the very least 25% of people who buy EA or go see every Star Wars in Theaters but don’t like what is being done. I wanted to buy Battlefront II 2 so badly, but I didn’t because EA are kikes and I’m not playing a loot-box dependant game.
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No.14737
>>14683
#metoo campaign against red letter media when?
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No.14747
>>14683
I think it was one of those short videos where they were hinting at the next review. Either RotS or the fourth Indiana Jones, I forget which.
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No.14783
Here's the thing that gets me, the "flaws" of the prequels are the same "flaws" that the originals had. Because in quality they are about the same, set in different time-periods sure, but they are very similiar in style and execution and in some ways, the prequels are way more detailed and ambitious then the original trilogy.
That's what gets me about RLM and their faggaloon followers. They don't know shit and thinks Star Wars is supposed to be this cinematic masterpiece, while it's just a very entertaining story with fantastic settings. They are retards, because they are very dishonest with their reviews of the prequels, while also being complete hypocrites when it comes to the non-prequel movies. They also on purpose plays dumb, lies, and fabricates faults of the prequels to further insiniuate the notion that one of the most ambitious movies of the last 20 years is somehow flawed.
"I don't like sand" could be the most misunderstood line of all time. It's not a dumb line at all. None of the dialog is really that bad, it's very sparse and fits the setting formal of the universe. Unlike the newer movies that makes me wanna puke by hearing the chimp and chink and the cunt speak like they are redditors out on a field trip at Disneyland.
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No.14784
>>14783
This honestly. But RLM seems to best represent the overall mentality of the masses when it comes to how they perceive the SW films. Almost everyone has grown up on said films and its usually "baby's first epic saga" so people always end up having this kind idealized vision of the OT where its on some kind of untouchable pillar. The prequel-hate meme just feels like something the parrot for the sake of memes or something they inherited from the media and their parents who bought into the hate. Sure the PT has its flaws but RLM and those like them only ever base their hate on how much they want to compare it to the OT rather than actual issues like directing and some unneeded Jar Jar scenes on Tatooine. And even those two me are just personal criticisms, not hate. Just things that could've been done better but nothing to make me hate it per say.
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No.14787
>>14784
>>14783
>dishonesty
Obligatory Reminder
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No.14789
>>14783
>"I don't like sand" could be the most misunderstood line of all time. It's not a dumb line at all.
I hate trying to explain this to normalfags. He was a fucking slave, his whole life and for the majority of that he was on a planet that is literally just sand. Then his mother was tortured and raped to death by SANDpeople on that planet of sand. Which is shocking because people tend to equate aspects of something awful with an object that was present at the time of the unpleasant event? Wow crazy. When ever I explain that he just equates the most abundant thing around with the time his mother died and the time he was a child slave, people still say “lol bud ids a dum line, he doesn’t like sand, lmao prekwuls suck”
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No.14790
>>14787
>pdf
I ain't reading that shit, make a video faggot.
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No.14793
>>14787
A perfect analysis of RLM. But we should find someone to do a video read of it or form up a summary for shits like >>14790 Might get more fanboys to actually realize the flaws in said review.
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No.14795
>>14789
I agree for the most part, it's definitely a heavily overblown criticism. I see the intent but the execution could have been better. "I don't like…" is a somewhat mild way for Anakin to express himself, and the wooden delivery doesn't help that either.
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No.14808
>>14795
>I don't like…" is a somewhat mild way for Anakin to express himself, and the wooden delivery doesn't help that either.
To be fair, he is talking to his waifu. It would have probably been worse if he started sperging out about sand or said “I loath sand.” I agree it wasn’t a great line but I think the delivery was about the best he could do with what he had. If only George had a few less Yes-men they prequels could have turned out better. Scrap episode 1 and start it out with Anakin as a pilot in his late teens early 20’s and then have him brought in to the order, or just anything that doesn’t require a child actor. Talk more about the prophecy and explain in episode three that by killing a lot of the Jedi he did balance the force, and that the Jedi were somehow to stupid to even once consider that maybe “bring balance to the force” didn’t mean exterminate all users of the other side. Like fucking really? These are supposed to be a council of mystical, wise men and no one once said: “Hey, maybe Anakin is meant to restore the sith order because the force isn’t going to be balanced if he kills the last of the Sith? Like that’s the exact opposite of balance, that’s literally as unbalanced as anything can get. I mean I’m just thinking but did you guys really think about this? Where is that prophecy from anyways?” Also make AotC about the clones and show us more Clone Wars/Republic Commando Type fighting, while the Jedi are debating over what degree they should join while Anakin pulls a Revan and gathers a group of Jedi to fight. I think that would be pretty cool. But it’s over and the prequels already exist as they are and aren’t bad.
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No.14813
>>14808
>Scrap episode 1 and start it out with Anakin as a pilot in his late teens early 20’s
This maymay should be terminated.
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No.14814
>>14808
>Why didn't the wise men see what the prophecy mean't
Well, wasn't that part of the prequel-story, the failures of the Jedi Order? How they perceived everything as in, they can't fail, they are too big, too powerful, too wise to fail in anything, they are the good guys.
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No.14819
>>14808
What >>14814 said, but I'd also like to add that while George did incorporate elements of Eastern dualism into the Jedi/Sith dichotomy, the Western good/evil was still very much present. Lucas was adamant that the Jedi were the good guys, and the Sith were a perversion of 'proper' usage of the Force. To that end, George has said that bringing balance to the Force did mean eliminating the Sith. I think it's fair to argue that it also meant killing off the old Jedi Order, because they themselves had become too detached and cloistered.
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No.14830
>>14813
That’s just like, my opinion, man. I didn’t think PM had a bad plot, but we really didn’t need to see him as a kid. It would have been better if they just had a few remarks about his past like for Luke, and let the authors make a much better back story than they could have done in the movies.
>>14814
>Well, wasn't that part of the prequel-story, the failures of the Jedi Order? How they perceived everything as in, they can't fail, they are too big, too powerful, too wise to fail in anything, they are the good guys.
Yeah but it still seems like 1 person would bring it up at least once. But I guess to be fair they are pretty much indoctrinated from the time they are toddlers.
>>14819
Well George is know for talking out his ass, and isn’t very knowledgeable about the EU or real canon.
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No.14831
>>14830
Its not that he's not knowledgeable. He just likes any and all consistency now and likes to constantly reinvent, hence all the special edition shit. In the 70s and part of the 80s he seemed like a real visionary who created a huge world for himself, but at some point it feels like he stopped seeing it as a world and more like a money making painting that he wanted to edit more and more for the sake of personal art and earnings rather than actually caring much about the world he created. A good creator should always try to see his creations as alive in a sense to give their world and development a bigger sense of meaning, but that's just my opinion.
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No.14844
This is an RLM sucks thread, not a “bash George” thread. You Red Letter Media faggots just can’t let up on him. If George had had young Han in ROTS, there would be no Soylo.
George always knew best you fucking manbabies.
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No.14845
>>14844
>manbabies
This again. I didn't know the petulant terms of the enemy were chic these days.
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No.14852
>>14845
It applies to RLM.
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No.14862
>>14844
What are you on about? I have no hate for George, just pointing out his flaws. Only thing I have hate for in this thread is the Hacks in the Bag.
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No.14909
>>14808
>If only George had a few less Yes-men they prequels could have turned out better.
This meme needs to die.
https://sfdebris.com/videos/special/hermitsjourney.php
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No.14913
>>14830
But without the story of Anakin as a slave on Tattoine, meeting Padme, being discovered by a maverick Jedi and his reluctant padawan, his whole downfall wouldn't have made sense.
I think part of the problem is that some wants to make Anakin into an AWESOME character with an AWESOME backstory but that's not how a sad story goes. He's flawed for a reason, the people he deals with are flawed and makes mistakes aswell and he redeem himself in the end of the story.
What more do you want? Lucas made a really good story that nobody really hasn't come close to yet. That's why RLM are hacks, they stink.
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No.14914
>>14913
I always assumed Sheev had several plans playing out, Plan A, kill Padme, Plan B, rattle Padme and her Jedi guards. Plan X, turn on kill switch on troopers, ect.
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No.14920
>>14914
I assume you meant to reply to>>14671 and >>14674?
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No.14928
>>14909
One of those videos brings up something I was wondering about recently. Because of the lack of opening credits, Lucas got kicked out of the guild and it fucked him on using other directors. Why isn't Disney having that same problem with them?
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No.14937
>>14913
>I think part of the problem is that some wants to make Anakin into an AWESOME character with an AWESOME backstory but that's not how a sad story goes. He's flawed for a reason, the people he deals with are flawed and makes mistakes aswell and he redeem himself in the end of the story.
That makes sense, I guess if it had been my way without any backstory of his time as a kid that would have been less dramatic. And that would have ruined the Arab Sandpeople slaughter scene which was pretty important. I guess it’s time to go back and watch the whole trilogy because it’s been years since I watched them or even really read any Star Wars material.
>>14909
Will watch after work. I don’t think the prequels are bad I guess I just thought they might have been better with a completely different direction.
Please excuse my posts.
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No.14939
>>14667
>(near the end of the video)
51:44
>haha, let's piss off christians by ID tagging every human being twice, with the shittiest, unencrypted chips storing all their personal data
>if you lose your government issued child or government owned elderly, you can retreive them, like a doggie teehee (^:
FUCK YOU MOM FOR MAKING ME GO TO SUNDAY SCHOOL
>hilarious IRS joke.
here's something more hilarious.
Penalty for sleeping on duty in Ancient Rome was death by lashing, fortunately ARIPAC intervened and the guards weren't punished despite the story being
>durr, we fell asleep and the disciples went and stole the body.
while jews could still pretend Jesus isn't the Messiah.
Easter is a holiday invalidating judaism as a scam cult
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No.14940
>>14939
>>14654
Is it just me or does RLM sound drunk as fuck? Do they need to get completely wasted just to do these stupid longer episodes?
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No.14942
>>14939
Rich is an interesting creature. He seems affable enough- able to throw around some banter and poke fun at himself- but he turns into a mean-spirited no-fun faggot whenever Christianity is so much as alluded to in his presence.
>>14940
They play off their heavy drinking with jokes, but I suspect that Mike might actually have a drinking problem, based on how his physique has continued to erode while the rest of the guys seem to have slimmed down slightly over the years. His body of work makes it pretty clear that he can't create anything meaningful himself; all he can do is tear apart what others have made. It wouldn't surprise me if that's helped drive him into the bottle.
Even knowing all this, I can't stop myself watching Best of the Worst. Send help.
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No.14953
>>14939
>>14942
>>14940
Even if I'm not fond of RLM as a whole, Jay and Mike are overall more lax and jolly about things, even in >>14654 But Rich always comes off as just mean-spirited and depressed, but mostly the first.
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No.14996
>>14783
Yeah. There's a lot of selective blindness when it comes to the OT.
>this dialogue was corny
<only a master of evil, Darth
>this romance was weird
<whoops, I kissed my sister
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No.15006
In my opinion, it always seemed to me these guys were fake, but I can't point as to why I thought that when I was younger and stupid. Now I know why.
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No.16511
HookTube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.
Solo Review is out
>Mike and Rich liked it
>Jay is more apprehensive
>They mock L3-37 and the SJW shit surrounding the film
>They make fun of the EU
>Rich apparently hates Star Wars now
>Jay thought it was boring
>Mike doesn't recommend it on the basis that it wasn't shot very well.
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No.16512
>>16511
>Mike and Rich liked it
>They make fun of the EU (lololol you may say this movie is bad its nowhere near as bad as that old stuff, right Mr. Iger? [Hands over checks to RLM]
>Rich apparently hates Star Wars now
Gee what a shocker. Although, I'm genuinely surprised Jay disliked it.
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No.16513
>>16512
>>They make fun of the EU (lololol you may say this movie is bad its nowhere near as bad as that old stuff, right Mr. Iger? [Hands over checks to RLM]
Should've been more clear about that, they make fun of the real EU as well as the Disney EU. The general jist is: "The movie's good for what it is, but fuck Star Wars."
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No.16516
>>16511
Pretty meh as usual but Rich drags the whole thing down even more.
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No.16522
>>16511
rich makes a good point, we do have a serious lack in the criminal underworld shit now thanks to disney. reverse jay's thoughts and that's my general opinion.
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No.16523
>>16522
We would have had more if Disney/Lucasfilm hadnt cancelled that Coruscant underworld game.
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No.16531
>>16523
yeah well you try telling the new boss to not clean house.
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No.16564
>>16522
The Star Wars Bounty Hunter game and Han Solo comics focused on a lot of underworld elements, along with any comic involving hutts.
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No.16579
>>16511
Rich is just fucking unbearable in this. Jay for once tries to say something of worth and Rich just keeps trying to change the subject because he has a hardon for this crap. Congrats Disney, you made a film likeable only to fat casual OTfags.
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No.16611
>>16511
I hate to admit it, but I chuckled a lot near the end there, especially when Mike acknowledged the inconsistency Solo had with 4 about escape pods and especially when he threw the shitty toy falcon away, and especially after that fat fuck Rich left and he outright said he hated Solo now that he was gone.
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No.16618
>>14928
Disney is a Juggernaut- they do as they want, as they please.
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No.16705
>>16511
This is honestly what I wanted their TFA review to be like. A shame that wasn't the fucking case with the hacks. The same shit they criticize here and in Rogue One is the same shit they praised TFA for. I don't know whether hypocrisy is the right word for this.
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No.16707
>>16522
They could have not cancelled 1313
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No.16710
>>16707
We can't have nice things. Sure some complained it was too similar to Uncharted, but who honestly cares when it was a whole new realm to explore in the setting which has only ever been covered in comics and one other video game (which was Bounty Hunter).
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No.16712
>>16705
I think it's a case of blind optimism - they wanted another good star wars movie and made excuses for it because of that desire.
>>16707
1313 would've been a piss-easy "cinematic" (aka taking control away from the player every 2 minutes) third-person shooter.
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No.16713
>>16712
Sure, it was Uncharted, but it would have been cool just to delve into that setting.
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No.16719
So I enjoyed the prequel reviews. They didn't make me hate the prequels though. I had noticed flaws in the movies, but I still enjoyed them enough to watch them all multiple times. The RLM reviews just made for an entertaining analysis. I assume thats the case for a lot of people who watched these reviews. People who hated the PT still hated it after watching, and those who found them to be enjoyable despite their flaws continued to enjoy them. In this sense, I find the hate directed at RLM to be unwarrented as I don't think they turned fans against the prequels. Though they may have given ammo to prequel haters.
But then those Disney reviews. They don't seem overly positive for the most part, but they are so limpwristed in their criticisms and so eager to say "meh, its ok" that it's just baffling. The HitB reviews didn't mother me so much in this regard, but the Plinkett revews I was expecting to be savage. I guess E;R is our only hope for good criticism.
>>14819
So, my understanding of eastern religions and philosophy is not on the same level as for western and middle eastern, but my understanding of balance in the taoistic sense is this:
It isn't a case of Jedi=yin, Sith=yang. Yin/Yang and other forms of eastern dualism aren't a dichotomy of good/evil so much as other complementary forces such as life/death, creation/destruction warm/cold, heaven/earth etc. When you keep those things in balance, that is "good"and when you allow those things to fall out of balance, that is the "evil".LIke too much life=cancer, or not enough dark= being scorched beneath the merciless sun.
>>14789
>>14996
I think a lot of it has to do with delivery. Sir Alec Guinness could sell some corny lines.
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No.16720
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>16713
Same. It might've not been original and a bit too cinematic, but it looked fun, and I'd gladly take it over the crap we have now. Hell I was excited when I first saw the trailer for it.
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No.16722
>>16712
>they wanted another good star wars movie and made excuses for it because of that desire
this is exactly why tfa was shilled into oblivion upon release, people were wound up with nostalgia and ignored the plethora of problems it had.
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No.16723
>>16719
>I guess E;R is our only hope for good criticism.
And he's not biased one way or the other, since he did give credit to TLJ where it was due, despite him admitting it was shit, in that it wasn't a shameless derivative knockoff that relied to heavily on its predecessors. Sure it was crap, but at least it wasn't ANH 2.0 which allowed it to break the nostalgia glasses and make people see these new movies weren't that great, even though many will still defend garbage like TFA to death.
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No.16753
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>16719
>I guess E;R is our only hope for good criticism.
There's also hackfraudmedia, the guy does a stellar job ripping off Plinkett, both in style and substance. Truly the Plinkett we both need and deserve.
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No.16754
I'm just gonna go ahead and say it: RLM was never good, and E;R is one trick weeb, who's only good 'review' was GET;OUT - now they are all sucking Disney cock. Fuck 'em.
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No.16755
>>16754
E;R sucked Disney cock?
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No.16758
>>16754
>talking shit on E;R
Get out of here, Doug.
>>16755
>they
I think he means RLM.
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No.16767
>>16753
Hadn't heard of him. I will give him a watch.
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No.16768
>>16754
>e;r sucks disney cock
this is just wrong on all platforms
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