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So, I've noticed that the overall reception of RLM and their take on Star Wars is pretty negative on that board. While I think this is perfectly understandable, and they're certainly not above criticism, I think they're treated a bit unfairly. Let me explain:
>inb4 shill thread
To get a few things out of the way first:
1) I do think that most of the criticism they leveled at the prequels are valid, they really blew it out of proportion. I also think that at least some of it can be attributed to comedic effect.
2) I'm certain that they played a major part in turning a large part of the fanbase against George Lucas. It was probably not their intention, though.
3) While I found their verdict on TFA (as well as the Plinkett Review) a bit baffling, I think some of it can be explained without bringing Disney money into it.
4) I'm not going to discuss the Plinkett reviews in detail in this post, but feel to do so.
5) The reviews are overpraised.
6) This thread isn't about trying to make you like them.
I think the consensus is that the prequels, while flawed, are not bad movies per se and are a great addition to the Star Wars mythos. So, why do I think Stoklasa was so harsh on them? It's simple, really. Stoklasa is not really a Star Wars fan. That's evident from the reviews, where he mentions that he has no interest in the EU material, he directly states that he doesn't read any of the novels and doesn't play any of the video games. He just likes the movies as a trilogy of competently made, greatly written and well-produced, overall fantastic Science Fantasy movies, while fans like us appreciate the mythos and the universe, to which the prequels were an overall great addition, as I've said. As movies themselves, however, they were flawed in many terms, which is what I think is the reason for his dislike.
So, why the positive reception to TFA? I think that's also simple. While I personally hated the movie, I do have to concede that it's for the most part competently made and, with some exceptions, follows the template of how a Star Wars movie works pretty well. I think it's entirely possible that that was enough for him to like it, along with buying into the hype of seeing a new Star Wars film that followed the OT more than the prequels. Further evidence of that would be his negative reaction to Rogue One, which was obvious soyboy fanbait with shit characters, and TLJ, which was a total mess, both in terms of filmmaking in general (and Star Wars films in particular).
As I see it, people kind of look to Stoklasa as some kind of Star Wars guru, which he certainly isn't. Again, he's not even a real Star Wars fan. While I still personally find his perspective interesting, even when I'm disagreeing with him, people should stop treating him as some sort of expert on Star Wars movies. That includes his fans as well as his detractors. He's just a guy who knows a bit about filmmaking, and who loves the original Star Wars trilogy, but without a deeper understanding of the mythos or universe.
Or he's just a Disney shill.
tl;dr: I think when it comes to Star Wars, y'all should stop shitting on RLM. You just should stop giving a shit about what they think because Stoklasa doesn't really know what he's talking about beyond technical film stuff.
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No.14793
>>14787
A perfect analysis of RLM. But we should find someone to do a video read of it or form up a summary for shits like >>14790 Might get more fanboys to actually realize the flaws in said review.
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No.14795
>>14789
I agree for the most part, it's definitely a heavily overblown criticism. I see the intent but the execution could have been better. "I don't like…" is a somewhat mild way for Anakin to express himself, and the wooden delivery doesn't help that either.
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No.14808
>>14795
>I don't like…" is a somewhat mild way for Anakin to express himself, and the wooden delivery doesn't help that either.
To be fair, he is talking to his waifu. It would have probably been worse if he started sperging out about sand or said “I loath sand.” I agree it wasn’t a great line but I think the delivery was about the best he could do with what he had. If only George had a few less Yes-men they prequels could have turned out better. Scrap episode 1 and start it out with Anakin as a pilot in his late teens early 20’s and then have him brought in to the order, or just anything that doesn’t require a child actor. Talk more about the prophecy and explain in episode three that by killing a lot of the Jedi he did balance the force, and that the Jedi were somehow to stupid to even once consider that maybe “bring balance to the force” didn’t mean exterminate all users of the other side. Like fucking really? These are supposed to be a council of mystical, wise men and no one once said: “Hey, maybe Anakin is meant to restore the sith order because the force isn’t going to be balanced if he kills the last of the Sith? Like that’s the exact opposite of balance, that’s literally as unbalanced as anything can get. I mean I’m just thinking but did you guys really think about this? Where is that prophecy from anyways?” Also make AotC about the clones and show us more Clone Wars/Republic Commando Type fighting, while the Jedi are debating over what degree they should join while Anakin pulls a Revan and gathers a group of Jedi to fight. I think that would be pretty cool. But it’s over and the prequels already exist as they are and aren’t bad.
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No.14813
>>14808
>Scrap episode 1 and start it out with Anakin as a pilot in his late teens early 20’s
This maymay should be terminated.
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No.14814
>>14808
>Why didn't the wise men see what the prophecy mean't
Well, wasn't that part of the prequel-story, the failures of the Jedi Order? How they perceived everything as in, they can't fail, they are too big, too powerful, too wise to fail in anything, they are the good guys.
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No.14819
>>14808
What >>14814 said, but I'd also like to add that while George did incorporate elements of Eastern dualism into the Jedi/Sith dichotomy, the Western good/evil was still very much present. Lucas was adamant that the Jedi were the good guys, and the Sith were a perversion of 'proper' usage of the Force. To that end, George has said that bringing balance to the Force did mean eliminating the Sith. I think it's fair to argue that it also meant killing off the old Jedi Order, because they themselves had become too detached and cloistered.
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No.14830
>>14813
That’s just like, my opinion, man. I didn’t think PM had a bad plot, but we really didn’t need to see him as a kid. It would have been better if they just had a few remarks about his past like for Luke, and let the authors make a much better back story than they could have done in the movies.
>>14814
>Well, wasn't that part of the prequel-story, the failures of the Jedi Order? How they perceived everything as in, they can't fail, they are too big, too powerful, too wise to fail in anything, they are the good guys.
Yeah but it still seems like 1 person would bring it up at least once. But I guess to be fair they are pretty much indoctrinated from the time they are toddlers.
>>14819
Well George is know for talking out his ass, and isn’t very knowledgeable about the EU or real canon.
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No.14831
>>14830
Its not that he's not knowledgeable. He just likes any and all consistency now and likes to constantly reinvent, hence all the special edition shit. In the 70s and part of the 80s he seemed like a real visionary who created a huge world for himself, but at some point it feels like he stopped seeing it as a world and more like a money making painting that he wanted to edit more and more for the sake of personal art and earnings rather than actually caring much about the world he created. A good creator should always try to see his creations as alive in a sense to give their world and development a bigger sense of meaning, but that's just my opinion.
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No.14844
This is an RLM sucks thread, not a “bash George” thread. You Red Letter Media faggots just can’t let up on him. If George had had young Han in ROTS, there would be no Soylo.
George always knew best you fucking manbabies.
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No.14845
>>14844
>manbabies
This again. I didn't know the petulant terms of the enemy were chic these days.
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No.14852
>>14845
It applies to RLM.
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No.14862
>>14844
What are you on about? I have no hate for George, just pointing out his flaws. Only thing I have hate for in this thread is the Hacks in the Bag.
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No.14909
>>14808
>If only George had a few less Yes-men they prequels could have turned out better.
This meme needs to die.
https://sfdebris.com/videos/special/hermitsjourney.php
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No.14913
>>14830
But without the story of Anakin as a slave on Tattoine, meeting Padme, being discovered by a maverick Jedi and his reluctant padawan, his whole downfall wouldn't have made sense.
I think part of the problem is that some wants to make Anakin into an AWESOME character with an AWESOME backstory but that's not how a sad story goes. He's flawed for a reason, the people he deals with are flawed and makes mistakes aswell and he redeem himself in the end of the story.
What more do you want? Lucas made a really good story that nobody really hasn't come close to yet. That's why RLM are hacks, they stink.
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No.14914
>>14913
I always assumed Sheev had several plans playing out, Plan A, kill Padme, Plan B, rattle Padme and her Jedi guards. Plan X, turn on kill switch on troopers, ect.
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No.14920
>>14914
I assume you meant to reply to>>14671 and >>14674?
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No.14928
>>14909
One of those videos brings up something I was wondering about recently. Because of the lack of opening credits, Lucas got kicked out of the guild and it fucked him on using other directors. Why isn't Disney having that same problem with them?
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No.14937
>>14913
>I think part of the problem is that some wants to make Anakin into an AWESOME character with an AWESOME backstory but that's not how a sad story goes. He's flawed for a reason, the people he deals with are flawed and makes mistakes aswell and he redeem himself in the end of the story.
That makes sense, I guess if it had been my way without any backstory of his time as a kid that would have been less dramatic. And that would have ruined the Arab Sandpeople slaughter scene which was pretty important. I guess it’s time to go back and watch the whole trilogy because it’s been years since I watched them or even really read any Star Wars material.
>>14909
Will watch after work. I don’t think the prequels are bad I guess I just thought they might have been better with a completely different direction.
Please excuse my posts.
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No.14939
>>14667
>(near the end of the video)
51:44
>haha, let's piss off christians by ID tagging every human being twice, with the shittiest, unencrypted chips storing all their personal data
>if you lose your government issued child or government owned elderly, you can retreive them, like a doggie teehee (^:
FUCK YOU MOM FOR MAKING ME GO TO SUNDAY SCHOOL
>hilarious IRS joke.
here's something more hilarious.
Penalty for sleeping on duty in Ancient Rome was death by lashing, fortunately ARIPAC intervened and the guards weren't punished despite the story being
>durr, we fell asleep and the disciples went and stole the body.
while jews could still pretend Jesus isn't the Messiah.
Easter is a holiday invalidating judaism as a scam cult
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No.14940
>>14939
>>14654
Is it just me or does RLM sound drunk as fuck? Do they need to get completely wasted just to do these stupid longer episodes?
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No.14942
>>14939
Rich is an interesting creature. He seems affable enough- able to throw around some banter and poke fun at himself- but he turns into a mean-spirited no-fun faggot whenever Christianity is so much as alluded to in his presence.
>>14940
They play off their heavy drinking with jokes, but I suspect that Mike might actually have a drinking problem, based on how his physique has continued to erode while the rest of the guys seem to have slimmed down slightly over the years. His body of work makes it pretty clear that he can't create anything meaningful himself; all he can do is tear apart what others have made. It wouldn't surprise me if that's helped drive him into the bottle.
Even knowing all this, I can't stop myself watching Best of the Worst. Send help.
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No.14953
>>14939
>>14942
>>14940
Even if I'm not fond of RLM as a whole, Jay and Mike are overall more lax and jolly about things, even in >>14654 But Rich always comes off as just mean-spirited and depressed, but mostly the first.
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No.14996
>>14783
Yeah. There's a lot of selective blindness when it comes to the OT.
>this dialogue was corny
<only a master of evil, Darth
>this romance was weird
<whoops, I kissed my sister
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No.15006
In my opinion, it always seemed to me these guys were fake, but I can't point as to why I thought that when I was younger and stupid. Now I know why.
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No.16511
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Solo Review is out
>Mike and Rich liked it
>Jay is more apprehensive
>They mock L3-37 and the SJW shit surrounding the film
>They make fun of the EU
>Rich apparently hates Star Wars now
>Jay thought it was boring
>Mike doesn't recommend it on the basis that it wasn't shot very well.
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No.16512
>>16511
>Mike and Rich liked it
>They make fun of the EU (lololol you may say this movie is bad its nowhere near as bad as that old stuff, right Mr. Iger? [Hands over checks to RLM]
>Rich apparently hates Star Wars now
Gee what a shocker. Although, I'm genuinely surprised Jay disliked it.
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No.16513
>>16512
>>They make fun of the EU (lololol you may say this movie is bad its nowhere near as bad as that old stuff, right Mr. Iger? [Hands over checks to RLM]
Should've been more clear about that, they make fun of the real EU as well as the Disney EU. The general jist is: "The movie's good for what it is, but fuck Star Wars."
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No.16516
>>16511
Pretty meh as usual but Rich drags the whole thing down even more.
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No.16522
>>16511
rich makes a good point, we do have a serious lack in the criminal underworld shit now thanks to disney. reverse jay's thoughts and that's my general opinion.
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No.16523
>>16522
We would have had more if Disney/Lucasfilm hadnt cancelled that Coruscant underworld game.
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No.16531
>>16523
yeah well you try telling the new boss to not clean house.
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No.16564
>>16522
The Star Wars Bounty Hunter game and Han Solo comics focused on a lot of underworld elements, along with any comic involving hutts.
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No.16579
>>16511
Rich is just fucking unbearable in this. Jay for once tries to say something of worth and Rich just keeps trying to change the subject because he has a hardon for this crap. Congrats Disney, you made a film likeable only to fat casual OTfags.
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No.16611
>>16511
I hate to admit it, but I chuckled a lot near the end there, especially when Mike acknowledged the inconsistency Solo had with 4 about escape pods and especially when he threw the shitty toy falcon away, and especially after that fat fuck Rich left and he outright said he hated Solo now that he was gone.
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No.16618
>>14928
Disney is a Juggernaut- they do as they want, as they please.
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No.16705
>>16511
This is honestly what I wanted their TFA review to be like. A shame that wasn't the fucking case with the hacks. The same shit they criticize here and in Rogue One is the same shit they praised TFA for. I don't know whether hypocrisy is the right word for this.
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No.16707
>>16522
They could have not cancelled 1313
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No.16710
>>16707
We can't have nice things. Sure some complained it was too similar to Uncharted, but who honestly cares when it was a whole new realm to explore in the setting which has only ever been covered in comics and one other video game (which was Bounty Hunter).
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No.16712
>>16705
I think it's a case of blind optimism - they wanted another good star wars movie and made excuses for it because of that desire.
>>16707
1313 would've been a piss-easy "cinematic" (aka taking control away from the player every 2 minutes) third-person shooter.
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No.16713
>>16712
Sure, it was Uncharted, but it would have been cool just to delve into that setting.
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No.16719
So I enjoyed the prequel reviews. They didn't make me hate the prequels though. I had noticed flaws in the movies, but I still enjoyed them enough to watch them all multiple times. The RLM reviews just made for an entertaining analysis. I assume thats the case for a lot of people who watched these reviews. People who hated the PT still hated it after watching, and those who found them to be enjoyable despite their flaws continued to enjoy them. In this sense, I find the hate directed at RLM to be unwarrented as I don't think they turned fans against the prequels. Though they may have given ammo to prequel haters.
But then those Disney reviews. They don't seem overly positive for the most part, but they are so limpwristed in their criticisms and so eager to say "meh, its ok" that it's just baffling. The HitB reviews didn't mother me so much in this regard, but the Plinkett revews I was expecting to be savage. I guess E;R is our only hope for good criticism.
>>14819
So, my understanding of eastern religions and philosophy is not on the same level as for western and middle eastern, but my understanding of balance in the taoistic sense is this:
It isn't a case of Jedi=yin, Sith=yang. Yin/Yang and other forms of eastern dualism aren't a dichotomy of good/evil so much as other complementary forces such as life/death, creation/destruction warm/cold, heaven/earth etc. When you keep those things in balance, that is "good"and when you allow those things to fall out of balance, that is the "evil".LIke too much life=cancer, or not enough dark= being scorched beneath the merciless sun.
>>14789
>>14996
I think a lot of it has to do with delivery. Sir Alec Guinness could sell some corny lines.
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No.16720
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>>16713
Same. It might've not been original and a bit too cinematic, but it looked fun, and I'd gladly take it over the crap we have now. Hell I was excited when I first saw the trailer for it.
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No.16722
>>16712
>they wanted another good star wars movie and made excuses for it because of that desire
this is exactly why tfa was shilled into oblivion upon release, people were wound up with nostalgia and ignored the plethora of problems it had.
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No.16723
>>16719
>I guess E;R is our only hope for good criticism.
And he's not biased one way or the other, since he did give credit to TLJ where it was due, despite him admitting it was shit, in that it wasn't a shameless derivative knockoff that relied to heavily on its predecessors. Sure it was crap, but at least it wasn't ANH 2.0 which allowed it to break the nostalgia glasses and make people see these new movies weren't that great, even though many will still defend garbage like TFA to death.
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No.16753
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>>16719
>I guess E;R is our only hope for good criticism.
There's also hackfraudmedia, the guy does a stellar job ripping off Plinkett, both in style and substance. Truly the Plinkett we both need and deserve.
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No.16754
I'm just gonna go ahead and say it: RLM was never good, and E;R is one trick weeb, who's only good 'review' was GET;OUT - now they are all sucking Disney cock. Fuck 'em.
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No.16755
>>16754
E;R sucked Disney cock?
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No.16758
>>16754
>talking shit on E;R
Get out of here, Doug.
>>16755
>they
I think he means RLM.
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No.16767
>>16753
Hadn't heard of him. I will give him a watch.
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No.16768
>>16754
>e;r sucks disney cock
this is just wrong on all platforms
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