/strek/ - Star Trek

>>5909

My headcanon is that Jadzia fucked everyone and filmed it, before sending the recordings to Bashir, the only man creature she would not bang.

http://www.jammersreviews.com/st-tos/s2/assignment.php

tos crew takes a back seat to a mary sue weeb piece of shit with a literal catgirl he bangs, who solve all the problems on earth with a sonic screwdriver and then fuck off.

>>5922

What about the Voyager episode with the Q continuum's civil war, where Q wants to breed with Janeway?

>>5907

The First Duty.

Boring-ass courtroom drama centred around Wesley Crusher and his academy team because they did a… thing THAT WAS SO HORRIBLE APPARENTLY. FFS!

>>5930

In Worf's defence, Jadzia dragged him there against his will and kept nagging on him all the time they where there.

Depends. There are episodes which are just boring or stupid and then there are "muh morals" episodes that got things painfully wrong. Most of them are acceptable, but for example Pickard spouting militant atheist talking points seemed way too shallow and OOC for him.

>>5929

Janeway/Mulgrew wouldn't be my first choice, but she's not unbangable. At least she wasn't when Voyager came out. When she was younger she played 'the hot chick' on more than one occaision. Well, maybe it was just that one time, but it happened. It was an episode of Cheers IIRC.

>>5931

Sure, and if he had just bitched her out about it that would have been perfectly reasonable. He didn't have to go full snackbar and put people's lives in danger though. Couldn't he have become an hero without trying to blow up a resort world?

>>5924

the bigger sin of that episode is that you can apparently kill the Q with magic Q weapons

>>5908

Is Threshold even worth bringing up? With the possible exception of Sub Rosa, it's the most famously shitty episode of any of the TNG-era shows. I'd be interested to hear about some of the more low-key shitty episodes- the ones that almost seem adequate on the surface but are just awful when you really think them through.

>>5935

>I already had this link open my browser for whatever reason, muh modest clothing article - "A guide to Kira and Dax’s wardrobes."

Eh… let it gloat if it wants to. Nothing wrong with modest clothing when it suits the character. I'm actually surprised how few episodes there are, that are completely off the mark concerning morals (TNG, VOY and 1.5 seasons of DS9).

>>5942

I have to disagree, falling in with the nutjobs who want to destroy the ecosystem though, little bit wrong.

I totally get where he was coming from and generally agree with his principals he voiced but he went about it the wrong way

>>5945

Understandable. I love DS9, but Sisko's repeated whining about centuries-old racial issues was annoying. It doesn't make sense to cry about racism in a society so inclusive they cross breed with other species. It was likely the biggest flaw of Benjamin 'people don't think it be like it is, but it do' Sisko.

>>5946

If I found myself forced to 'vacation' on a planet of shameless prostitutes, the only thing I'd want to fuck is the eco-system too. But, you're probably right, Worf probably did take it a step too far. Personally though, I wouldn't be caught dead mingling with Jadzia '7 lifetimes, 70,000 partners' Dax in the first place, but Worf was never really known for making good decisions.

>>6022

He was immune to phasers too.

>>5942

>Worf did nothing wrong.

Fuck off back to your mosque, Worf. You deserved to get cucked by a nigress.

>>6039

>mosque

>Worf

He's a jew, though.

I can watch an episode that is stupid and still be entertained, but an episode like Twisted is just insanely boring, and being stupid on top of that is like an added insult.

favorite part of the episode is the trailer where janeway bolts up from her fainting couch and shouts DO NOTHING spoiling the entire episode's plot twist

>>6050

here is that trailer. fuck voyager. sometimes I really did wish they would just get pulped and sifted thru a space anus and were never heard from again.

allow me to also double down on my hate for the voyager episode maneuvers. fuckers allowed themselves to get their asses kicked by the lamest villains since the pakleds. I stopped watching the whole series in the middle of the episode and didn't come back until many years later, the voyager crew was just so inept.

>>5945

That clip includes him almost literally saying "It was real in my mind!"

>>5954

I want to know what happens if you're an uggo or a fatty and you go to Risa. What happens when you whip out the tiki stature of fertility in front of some fed slut? Is there a rule that you have to put out on Risa? Is there a screening process that people go through before vacationing that makes sure everyone is 7/10 or above?

Remember the annoyance of Outrageous Okana? Or whatever the fucker's name was.

>>6126

>Is there a screening process that people go through before vacationing that makes sure everyone is 7/10 or above?

And, considering Quark's presence, is it 7/10 depending on the race-in-question's standard of beauty?

>>6127

>is it 7/10 depending on the race-in-question's standard of beauty?

Well clearly, because it's the future and we have abandoned racial/species prejudice. Can't have O'Brian ripping on the Cardies now Perhaps Risa is a Section 31 outpost and all of the women hired to work there are spies collecting information out of unsuspecting Starfleet officers on vacation.

>>6128

>"Joe Piscapo's last appearance before he fully gave himself over to the steroids."

/strek/ always has the best celebrity gossip that I missed out on. First the Jeri Ryan divorce and now this. What happened exactly? I was too young at the time.

>>6130

>Perhaps Risa is a Section 31 outpost and all of the women hired to work there are spies collecting information out of unsuspecting Starfleet officers on vacation.

Makes a fuckton more sense than a random paradise planet with really slutty natives.

>>6126

>outrageous okana

I know that one's not well received but I don't think it's nearly as bad as people make it out to be. Yeah, it was a little hard to believe that the entire crew loved Okana and let him trounce around the ship like he did, but the story wrapped up very well and the data b-plot was friggin' adorable.

If there's anything to get upset about in that episode it's the acting of the daughter and son characters who end up getting hitched. Both of them were atrocious actors, bad even by TNG side-character standards. No, worse than that, they were bad by Voyager standards.

>>5936

Well, of course the Q can kill the Q. And wasn't the idea that the weapons that we saw were just a kind of mental abstraction because humans couldn't really comprehend what was going on?

Not that the episode was good, mind you.

In fact, Voyager damaged the Q quite a bit by making them far too "human" and "understandable."

>>5957

>One wonders how the Q Continuum actually has managed to exist without wiping out time and space on several occasions due to gross negligence and/or boredom.

Who says they haven't?

>>6149

>Voyager damaged the Q quite a bit by making them far too "human" and "understandable."

Voyager damaged the franchise as a whole by making it too accessible. They softened Q's edges a bit to that end, because everyone wants a happy ending… if the arrogant alien hasn't aligned with Federation values by the end of the episode people don't leave with a sense of self-righteousness and undeserved satisfaction. One anon here called it "easier to watch" than the other shows… no shit, because they dulled any potential edge the show could've had. Fuckin' casuals.

>>6154

anon's asking the real questions

+1

>>6134

>species which evolved to survive by bending over to aggressors

>lives to please

>rest of the galaxy keeps them well-supplied to ensure top-notch service

>get to live in luxury just for treating visitors well

what's not to believe in? you don't have to like them, but that doesn't make them particularly implausible

>>6040

Come on, now. Klingons are the only race in Star Trek that aren't jewish.

>>6126

>I want to know what happens if you're an uggo or a fatty and you go to Risa.

Klingon women won't care if you're ugly, and my guess is the federation is pretty militant about portion control.

>>6207

The Rozhenkos were Belarusian. Having a big nose and a funny accent ≠ Jewish

>>6243

Probably just the sunk cost fallacy.

>>6251

>>6243

Deadlines can be tight, and the work can be exhausting. No matter how shit an episode sounds, they can't necessarily come up with something better immediately.

>>6235

>Having a big nose and a funny accent ≠ Jewish

A Federation Shekel has been deposited into your account.

>>6266

>His mom did her best to make sure he got proper Klingon food.

No, Worf refused to eat anything but Klingon food. He was feed up with Jewchews.

>>6267

>No, Worf refused to eat anything but Klingon food. He was feed up with Jewchews.

What? Even the pickled foreskins?

>>6289

Even before I typed the words "klingon fiddler on the roof," I knew it would come up. Being performed by minifigs was just a bonus.

>>6293

Lego Klingon YMCA

>>6285

Klingons prefer live foreskin

>>6300

Hey, who doesn't?

>>6305

One thing I've noticed is that clipshows have finally gone the way of the dinosaur. I always hated that shit, and, over the decades, the only ones who ever fucking apologized for it were the Simpsons.

>>6305

The clip show only happened because of the writers' strike.

One I had a particular hate for was "Loud As A Whisper" with the mute fucker and his hivemind of interpeters. Damn near applauded when Picard grabbed him by the head and told him to quit flipping his shit.

>6:23

>>6314

Rule of thumb : anytime a union is involved, there is the potential for something to get fucked up beyond all repair.

>>6327

What if it is the Cardassian Union? :^)

>>6333

Bajorans were left alive, weren't they?

>>6325

>"Loud As A Whisper"

Those gory disintegrations are on par with "Conspiracy", they look really good in HD now.

>>6353

made a banner:

>>6358

>>6424

Klingons spent the entire trip laughing at Trip

>>6175

>species which evolved to survive by bending over to aggressors

What are you talking about? Risa has humans.

>>6492

I never had any idea, I always assumed they were another species they didn't bother to put makeup on.

Also,

I have brought shame upon my family, and must marathon Voyager as penance, and, should I survive, rewatch TNG to reeducate myself.

>>6309

>One thing I've noticed is that clipshows have finally gone the way of the dinosaur.

Animu shit still does it though, even the short-lived seasonal crap /a/ keeps lapping up every year. That won't stop them from defending or ignoring them though.

>>5908

Was declared non canon.

>>5936

Yes? Your one of those guys, arent you?

>>5957

I preferred Voyager Q. TNG Q was an insufferable cunt rag.

>>6052

>>6050

Except youre both lying your asses off with hindsight.

>>6053

Describe, so we know how bullshit you are.

>>6052

Oh noes a bad trailer.

>>6172

>self-righteousness and undeserved satisfaction

That sums up TNG.

>>6239

He also had sexual frustration without access to Porthos.

Sfdebris was right.

>>6525

He was the shittiest author avatar in the history of those things.

>>6522

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/antagonist

what the fuck are you on mate

>>6528

The problem is that Voyager made it feel like they were missionaries spreading the good word of the Federation among the Delta quadrant. It's simply not convincing writing. When these themes do show up in TNG, which is not nearly as often, they fit and most importantly **they're written with at least a smidge of confidence)8

>>6424

It was pretty telling that the writers were so out of ideas that they had to bring back the holodeck in the fifth episode of Enterprise. The pregnancy plot is weird, no doubt about it, but apparently Connor Trinneer (Trip's actor) thinks the writers gave his character more to do in future episodes because he was able to act through it convincingly enough.

I do like Phlox's quote "You may be putting those nipples to work before you know it" with the grossed out crewman nearby.

>>6516

By whom?

>>6451

Yeah, but Trip developed a third nipple as a result from it. They called it a pregnancy in the episode, but the fetus was feeding on Trip and had to be transported to a Xyrillian.

funny how there's no "worst episodes" from TOS.

kinda validates my personal opinion.

>>6739

The very first episode.

And then the entirety of season 1.

>>6741

ditto

like a lot of series not just trek TOS took a season to really catch its stride

>>6739

if your theorem is that tos is so terrible that the whole show is the worst episode, that's not exactly true.

I think harve bennett nailed it. 1/3 great, 1/3 ok, and 1/3 horrible crap.

>>6741

>Balance of Terror

>Bad

Kill yourself.

>>6534

Better to have one recurring godlike character than a god-of-the-week like in TOS.

>>6765

>Riker also realizes that he didn't like having absolute power over people

Giving up his powers was perhaps the first of his countless retarded decisions and cuckings

>>5941

Welcome to the maddening mindvirus that is feminism. The latter is closer to what they actually want.

>>5945

It was an initially interesting concept that went downhill rapidly when they exaggerated the civil rights stuff to absurd levels. They later dipped pretty hard into the kool-aid later on in the episode Badda-Bing, Badda-Bang (the holosuite casino heist) where Sisko initially refused to help out or go to Vic's program at all because MUH CIVIL RIGHT'S MOVEMENT.. Which seemed to imply that he wanted a program where he could be oppressed and reminded that everyone hated niggers 400 years ago.

It's been awhile since I've seen any TOS stuff to be honest but even most bad episodes were at least watchable from what I recall.

TNG had some real shit though. Coming of Age, a whole episode starring Wesley, and exactly jack shit happens the whole time. Then Up The Long Ladder, it's easier to list the watchable S2 shows than the unwatchable ones, but this is the most complete trash of the year outside of Shades. Fucking leprechauns on one end with some bullshit excuse about them existing and on the other end the whole clone shit. The whole episode could basically be boiled down to "Riker gives AND receives, and then gets cucked for a stuck-up clone". The Loss, Troi bitching and being extra useless for a whole show…Future Imperfect isn't that good and is just flat out ruined when the alien of the week is revealed to be a full blown Ayy Lamo in the cheapest costume you could organize for this show. Rascals is basically a 90s "kids save the day" thing but with pre-redeemed Ferengi instead of ninjas. They get their asses kicked by the kids and then at the end you have a self indulgent part where Ro stays a kid for a while because fun.

>>6739

> Miri

> Enterprise discovers a planet that's a complete replica of Earth, every landmass the same, inhabited by humans, 20th century buildings on its surface

> Such an astonishingly bizarre find that they are compelled to investigate

> Premise is forgotten just as soon as they are beamed down

> Kirk struggles to keep 400-year-old children under control while McCoy cures an illness

> Assignment: Earth

> Second season

> Looks like the show is dying, better hijack the last episode to make a pilot for my next project

> A time-travelling super spy and his cat save the world while Kirk follows along, one scene behind at all times

> Turnabout Intruder

> The real final episode

> Three seasons of "Everyone is equal, humanity has moved past its prejudices"

> lolno, women can't be captains

> Crazy lady body swaps with Kirk and tries to take control of the Enterprise

> Shatner does his finest dramatic over-acting! when the crew realise he's acting weird

> Star Trek V

>>9528

>lolno, women can't be captains

To be fair the skirt who did the body swap sort of proved the point…actually so did Janeway later on too.

>>9537

also to be fair, captain gook and commander BLM are yet more perfect examples of why women need to be kept out of positions of authority.

>>9528

What is with Star Trek and alien cats?

>>6741

>The Corbomite Maneuver

>The Managerie I&II

>The Conscience of the King

>Balance of Terror

>Arena

>Court Martial

>Space Seed

>The Devil in the Dark

>The City on the Edge of Forever

>""""bad""""

>>10034

That gets a pass though for the sheer epicness of having a man battle his antimatter doppelganger for all eternity in a tiny room to keep two universes from exploding.

>>10048

>Gets a pass

The concept may be pretty interesting, but the execution is nonsensical and boring.

>>6314

>characters appearing more than once

>worf wielding a combat phaser and not knocked the fuck out

>only one binar

wtf am i looking at?

>>10049

>what do you play at?

>love

women just absolutely ruin sex, everytime. I would still absolutely impale the girl there even tho she's probably not 21 years old yet

>>6314

>Q’s not in it.

>Q2 is.

wut

>>9528

>Miri

Sounds like the kind of planet you could link to Star Trek's many precursor races.

>>9528

fuck you Star Trek V was great

>>10116

What does Bane need with a Starship?

>>5933

>It was an episode of Cheers IIRC.

Yes it was.

>>5907

>Worst Star Trek episodes?

TNG: Worf episodes mostly sucked.

DS9: I never liked Vic Fontaine holosuite episodes.

>>10156

funny, i have zero recollection of a character riding a horse with a sword… was this from the robin hood holodeck episode?

>>10156

>>6314

I can't believe he didn't included the "Shaka, when the walls feel" guy.

>>10161

>I can't believe he didn't included the "Shaka, when the walls feel" guy.

Bottom left of the good guys poster, standing above Gowron? Is that the one?

>>10161

>Darmok crazytalker

he's there. "good guys" image… bottom left above Gowron and behind Ro

>>10156

whats the episode with the guy in the black robe

>>10166

I mean the one with the black robe and the hood

>>5957

>One wonders how the Q Continuum actually has managed…

I thought it was made clear that everyone in their society is too socially repressed to rebel except John DeLancie's Q, and that one guy who wanted to off himself.

>>10171

The fish monks.

>Braga stated, "I felt they looked like monks – fish monks – and monks aren't terrifying."

Really, man?

>>10187

I literally watched that episode today (rewatching the entirety of ST outside of the JJ and STD cancer) and I forgot what the conclusion was.

Was there even one? They send a graviton wave or something, then the end?

>>5907

That one episode with Jadzia being a lesbian. It was boring as hell. Seriously, lesbians, how do you fuck that up?

>>10596

>Seriously, lesbians, how do you fuck that up?

>>10594

Janeway wasn't evil. She knew how horrifying Tuvix really was. That is why she was so eager to push the button and separate Tuvix back into Nelix and Tuvok. Janeway was right in this instance and not a cold blooded killer. Tuvix is the stuff of nightmares.

>>10597

>8 second clip

>Couldn't webm

wew

>>10614

tuvix was way better than either tooblack or neelix

he was murdered in cold blood and deserves revenge

I'd say a lot of TOS episodes are a chore to get through, especially since they feel like recycled plots from previous episodes.

>>10621

>tuvix was way better

Tuvix is the alien equivalent of a mary sue. What was he not good at? He was also horrifying to look at.

>>5907

wtf, was DS9 always shot in one take or something? Why the fuck would they not reshoot that?

>>10596

That, my friend, is a very good question.

>>10577

>These are the Voyages

I don't understand all the hatred for this. It wasn't executed all that well, but I've seen plenty of worse episodes in Enterprise.

>>10577

Enterprise didn’t deserve an ending. It should have been aborted halfway through the first season.

Dumb concept, bad execution, lame characters.

>>10912

It would have been fine as a random episode, but people hated it because it was the finale. The final epsode that should have been a sendoff for the crew of the NX instead focused on TNG guest stars. And the final shot was not the NX Enterprise flying off into the sunset, it was the Enterprise D.

It was just kind of a big fuck you to the previous four years.

>>10937

Oh right, I forgot they did that.

Well the point still stands, Enterprise's finale was not about Enterprise.

>>5924

>>5929

Shit was hilarious.

>>5936

Well…yes…? I think it was implicit that Q assisted them in doing that.

>>5957

>One wonders how the Q Continuum actually has managed to exist without wiping out time and space on several occasions due to gross negligence and/or boredom

Who says they haven't? Its not like anyone would know.

>>6218

>>6205

Dead Heat was a fun popcorn movie. But too much lifting does strange things to male comics the same way politics does to female comics. It drains their funny bone a lot of the time.

>isn't female comics an oxymoron though

Maybe makes them even worse than usual, same difference.

>>11015

Yes. It's a Worf episode so it's not very good but Data multiplaying the roles made it chuckle worthy.

>>11044

Did the reason data got so many roles, and chances to act was so Brent could jump start his career somewhere else, or did he just simply enjoy all the crazy shit?

>>11045

Maybe all of the above.The Data and Lore episodes is still good imo.

>>11045

Brent could act and enjoyed himself.

I just watched CIScovery

Does it even class as Star Trek?

Though the Mirror Universe episode is the only thing that came off as natural to the crew and writing

>>10937

Even better the whole fucking premise is that it's set during late TNG…except everyone is noticeably older.

>>15974

>Does it even class as Star Trek?

No.

>>11581

He can also tuck like you wouldn't believe.

>>6492

>>6497

There was an ENT episode that took place there, before it joined the Federation, so presumably it was inhabited by non-Humans.

>>10696

Why would they reshoot it? I didn't notice anything wrong in that scene but the rest of the episode blew.

>>6741

When you say first episode, do you mean The Cage or The Man Trap?

>>6492

>>16021

Risans were not human. The crew of NX-01 were the first humans to visit, and by that time the Vulcans already had it listed in their database as the quadrant cumdump.

>>16024

That's what, I said, isn't it?

>>16025

Yes, I was agreeing with you.

>>10550

Nah, I ignore much of his Voyager stuff, because his bias pisses all over his reviews of it.

>>16038

Doesn't that describe most of /strek/?

So worst STD episode?

>>19052

The pilot, because some fucking retard saw it and said "Yeah this is good. Fund it."

- every episode where some weird "ambassador" is involved from a species we are never going to see again

- the filler episodes where you have three small storylines to portray "a normal day"

- every episode where weird shit is happening on the ship and is explained in the end by some unknown light/energy/subspace creature

- all the ones where one gets some space STD, pregnancy or has sex with a non-binary gender species

- "WHERE ARE YOU?? I'M COMING!! WHERE ARE YOU?!"

>>19052

The fourth one, I forgot the name. The first half of STD is pretty bad, then till episode 10 it keeps growing on you until they reach the mirror universe, where they fuck everything up again with pointless dozens of plot twists and an over-the-top comical portrayal of the villians.

Best STD one so far: Where Mudd caused a time loop (despite being a rip off from TNG "Cause and Effect", it feels at least a bit like Star Trek) and "Into the Forest I go" (the one where they destroy the new Klingon villian with hundreds of jumps).

>>19073

You've pretty much removed 80% of TNG.

>>5908

It was pretty bad, but there at least a couple TNG episodes that are worse, but I quickly wiped them from my mind by watching several better ones immediately after.

TNG's "Homeward" does not age well. Makes Picard looks like a hypocritical psycopath obsessed with following the Prime Directive in a dogmatic way. Really boils the pasta on whether or not Picard's interest of archaelogy is just a fancypants disguise of him being more at ghoulish ease with dead civilizations compared to a live one.

>>10592

It always bothered me that he didnt gain mass.

>>10577

>No matter how bad STD is, it can't top that.

In terms of plot, storyline, dialogue, every episode of STD is worse than TATV.

In addition to those failures, STD also manages to be annoying by adding politics into the mix.

>>10937

But he's right, look at your own video.

Can you imagine the finale of DS-9 just being a picture of picard, then kirk, then sisko.

Fucking retarded.

>>23576

Enterprise got what it deserved.

>>5907

Does the entire series Voyager count as an answer? T'Pol's bum elevates ENT above VOY.

>>5907

I hate all episodes with Datas evil brother Lor. Or any episode where Data isn't himself. I also skipped every episode where they go to 20th century earth like planets. Picards private eye excursions are shit too. I watch Star Trek to see SF not the current day shit that I'm trying to escape.

Brent Spiner sucks whenever he attempts to act emotional, like Lore or Soong

>>23598

>Picards private eye excursions are shit too. I watch Star Trek to see SF not the current day shit that I'm trying to escape.

Bad comedians do the same shit. only making jokes so the audience can "see themselves" in it (e.g. anecdotes about amorous relationships). It's supposed to make the viewer go "look, they are just like us!". It works in ST only in a certain dosis, building entire episodes arround that trope (which DS9 was guilty off more than once) is stupid.

Oh an by the way, it's not really an episode, but how they tried to shoehorn Nana Visitor's (what kind of fucking name is that by the way) pregnancy into the series by having Keiko's fetus switched into Kira's body was terminally stupid, and the triangle relationship between O'Brien and the two which consequently happened was so awkward and unnecessary.

In general Kira was a misused character in my opinion, and it's out of character for her to date Odo. According to the actors, they didn't even like it themselves. And the fact that she went from being a decent resistence fighter to an unstoppable jugernaut in the course of the seasons, which is especially funny considering how skinny and small she is.

>>23602

>Kira was a misused character

Obviously, none of her scenes were nearly pornographic enough. Not even mirror universe Kira.

>>23600

It's sad but true. He is a terrible actor. Data is basically the only role he can play and be good at.

>>23617

To be honest, I liked her in the beginning a lot because she had great episodes like that "Man in the Glass Booth" episode and I was thinking with my dick because she was hella cute.

As the series progressed, I started to hate Kira. She made the worst dating decisions (that priest and Odo, wtf), it would have been great if she went with Dukat at least for a while and don't be this Mary Sue, or at least date a proper chad. She became this awfully moralistic juggernaut, that's always virtuous, beats up everybody but is still a bitch to everybody she dislikes. Every character in DS9 had flaws, she didn't have any.

>>23600

He's a comedian not an actor.

>>23627

That's even sadder

>>23621

Being an angry bitch with PTSD and trust issues isn't a flaw?

TNG has the best and worst Star Trek episodes

>>23639

And those flaws did come up in the earlier seasons, but as the series progressed they became less visible. This was at least partly because her relationship with Sisko became more and more functional, which removed most of the opportunities for her to act like a distrustful angry bitch, but writer wank almost certainly had a hand in it as well.

>>23645

I completely agree, it's a shame what happened to Kira as the show went on. I really liked her and most of her episodes at first, but once she resolved most of her issues, she was just kind of there. At least she wasn't Dax, I guess.

>>6022

I like how it's possible to tai-chi your way out of a transporter beam. How does that even work?

>>23647

They just got bored with her. Is there even a Kira episode in the last three seasons? I don't remember one except the ones that center arround Odo trying to court her.

Instead they got interested in making Dax more sassy to the point where she is outright psychotic, and for some fucking unknown reason they got interested in Bashir and made him an augment.

However, none of this equals the crime of what they did do Dukat. Can you imagine a writer coming up with this:

>What if we give Dukat mental illness, coming up with the idea to kill every living being on Bajor, letting him contact some ancient devils and then having him fucking date Kai Winn so they can discover the Necronomicon together?

And then imaging you have other people unironically thinking this is a good idea?

What would have been a better way to handle all this is to make Kira a more fervent Bajoran patriot and giving her the option that to ally with the Dominion would have been the only option for Bajor to stay safe (as they would not let the spoons shoa them for a second time), creating some tension there and bringing her closer to the dark side and Dukat, and then having this all culminate in a finale where Bajorans and Cardassians eventually reconcile after Dukat kills Kira for some reason and then is killed by Damar in response or something as Dukat alienates Damar more and more with opportunistic policies. Just an idea.

Also, they should have given Dukat and Weyoun waaay more scenes. Those exchanges were one of the best ones in the series. Damar is funny, but he's just snarking at Weyoun all the time, gets old quickly.

The last season would have probably been better written if they had shopped it out to homeless illiterates.

>>23654

>Instead they got interested in making Dax more sassy to the point where she is outright psychotic,

I thought that was partially the result of some behind the scenes drama between the actress and the producers\directors?

>>23665

>But on the other hand it might mean more chimpouts from Avery Brooks about some centuries-old race relations issue.

Just throw him a baseball and tell him it's a holodeck episode. If and when he gets ranting about the Negro League, tell him that camera B is still rolling and say to to keep going until he exhausts himself. Camera B does not have any film in it. It never has.

>>5945

I've watched every episode of DS9 about a dozen times an I haven't had the stomach to sit through it once.

>>24161

Anon, Do you have DS9 bingo?

>>24161

This kekles my keks

>>6424

tbh I am surprised Star Trek never did an episode with a male getting pregnant before this one. I don't get the hate for this episode either. It's more forgettable than bad imo.

>>6564

The holodeck was going to be mentioned at some point and everyone knew it going into ENT. The holodeck in that episode is basically extended fan service.

A lot of stuff in ENT season 1 makes sense if you watch it thinking the writers only had one season planned.

>>24161

repeats itself a bit too much, and no reset button for the free space?

also, needed another spot for "tom paris knows how to do everything" and "neelix is annoying." maybe also "seven hijacks another episode" too.

>>24468

Michelle Forbes was cuter there than she was as Ro.

>>24161

You can actually see the actor playing Tom Paris age on screen as the show progresses.

I think he was a good actor that wasted his best years on a shit show, and was slowly realizing it.

>>24472

It's because you can't see the mole.

>>22123

The reason threshold is THE worst episode is because it ruins star trek as a series from the ground up.

If you can use the holodeck as CAD software, and it actually WORKS then there are no limitations to what the federation could accomplish with nothing but a holodeck and a replicator.

Their computers have proven to be vastly superior to them in every possible way as far as theorizing goes.

They ask it all the time to theorize and it does.

So why not with the holodeck?

>>25197

They forgot it in TNG itself really.

What with people being able to lose each other in the holodeck.

Even if it uses tricks to make things seem further away, in reality if 5 people are on the holodeck, they could only ever possibly be 5-10 feet from one another at best.

The holodeck would strain to make the illusions look real.

Supposedly it's like a flat projection half the time till you walk up to something, then it sort of pops out and becomes a 3D light image, but everything beyond the physical size of the holodeck is like looking at a computer screen with just really good eye and motion tracking.

Yet data, an android without human eyes, and Jordi with his visor that sees in 100 different light spectrums couldn't see someone was at most 15 feet from them?

The same episode also had a guy using primitive tools to control the ship from inside the holodeck, which should be impossible since it works off it's own memory, and because it's dumb and makes no sense.

Another episode that ruins star trek for logistical reasons is the DS9 episode where rom invents self replicating cloaked mines.

This means replicators can replicate replicators, because for the mines to be self replicating they not only need to be fitted with replicators, but make new ones attached to the replicated mines.

It also means they can replicate something as complicated as a cloaking device.

Not to mention all the physical materials in the mine like the explosives, generator, the particles the cloaking device needs to run.

Might as well just make self replicating engines, free power my dudes.

Plus how do the mines position themselves?

Do they replicate in thin air away from the other mines or did they have engines to move out into position?

Self replicating mines means their replicators can make energy particles fuel and explosives.

>>25198

Oh fuck yes. That self replicating mine bullshit triggered me too. Star Trek has always had creative energy sources, but they never just straight up gave thermodynamics the middle finger like this.

>>10577

It's certainly my least favourite, beating out the one where Trip does space feminism and the one where T'Pol has space aids. Those two were way too on the nose, It's Star Trek so I expect some preachiness, but not like that. Literally calling them "the minority" and everything.

>>19073

>all the ones where one gets some space STD, pregnancy or has sex with a non-binary gender species

well shit shoulda read the thread before replying

>>23600

>Soong

One question about that, does the augments fucking each other count as incest? 'cause I got a really weird vibe from that.

>>25207

>>23600

MISAKA IS WAKING

>>25207

> and the one where T'Pol has space aids.

That one reached such low levels of bad. I was half expecting one of the characters to do a Mr. Roper and look at the camera grinning, "it's AIDS, get it?!"

>>25280

Replication requires much more energy. The holodeck is just force fields and ray tracing.

>>25283

>ray tracing is a computer calculation thing that ignores a lot of variables to get a near and practically always life like light patch however it uses cheats by making "eyes emit light only".

>The 100% realistic however insanely more computationally difficult solution is Path tracing.

Yes, I know what ray tracing is. I mentioned it specifically because it is more computationally efficient, and because it's all that matters. Visually speaking, the only thing the holoprojector has to project is the photons that reach your eyes. I always assumed this was how people could seem far apart while being next to each other. All the info reaching their senses tells them the person is far away, despite the person actually only being a few feet from them.

Then again, in the Rashomon TNG episode, the doodad on the holodeck reacts to that exotic radiation coming from the planet as if it were the actual device, which seems like something a little more intense than photons and force fields. Also in VOY, Neelix has holographic lungs for awhile. Again, that seems a little more intense than an illusion crated by photons and force fields.

>>25279

Except that my complaint is not that it was used as cad software, it's that it was used so successfully that they showed they could do just about anything with it, but they didn't.

And why not?

Encounter a never before seen virus that your advanced doctor can't fix?

Use the holodeck.

Need to design a new ship to do something no ship has ever done before?

Use the holodeck.

Need to answer an impossible riddle?

Use the holodeck.

George Costanza not around to solve your problem?

Use the holodeck

If you can't see why the holodeck is one of the worst things in star trek (because why would a society that literally made heaven need to leave it?) and that voyager is one of the worst offenders of this next to TNG, then you're braindead.

And

>>25197

was mentioning that episode as a good example of using the holodeck to do something.

It isn't over powered there, it just acts like a simulation with limitations.

But if the holodeck can design a ship to go warp 10+ when no human can, then no human should be designing ships.

By the way nice meme generator images dipshit.

>>25285

>Except that my complaint is not that it was used as cad software

OK

> it's that it was used so successfully that they showed they could do just about anything with it, but they didn't.

you seriously need to elaborate on this what exactly is it that bothers you with it.

>Encounter a never before seen virus that your advanced doctor can't fix?

I have no idea what you are talking about here.

>If you can't see why the holodeck

I have a hard time even interpreting your complaint.

Are you complaining that the holodeck is used for every situation and to solve it?

kind of like smartphones are used for everything today

Need photo?

Phone.

need to make a video recording?

Phone.

Communication?

Phone (SMS, video call, audio only).

Internet access?

Phone.

Calculator?

Phone.

Games?

Phone.

Is this your complaint?

>Need to design a new ship to do something no ship has ever done before?

Umm you promised that using it for CAD was not a problem you did have.

What do you think CAD is used for?

Or structural simulations?

>voyager is one of the worst offenders of this next to TNG

I can list VOY episodes with the holodeck that are about the same like TNG so ican agree that the holodeck in VOY is used in the same way to solve problems like on TNG.

Is this your complaint?

>was mentioning that episode

Episode name plz.

>It isn't over powered there, it just acts like a simulation with limitations.

Did you even read?

>>25279

And the difference between information extraction from data and creating a simulation?

Like:

>I have 93 cents with a interest rate of 2.25% per year for 1,000 years what will I have after 1,000 years?

> isn't over powered there, it just acts like a simulation with limitations.

Whats wrong with simulating a new engine on the holodeck? And how it behaves?

>But if the holodeck can design a ship to go warp 10+

Ahh I see the problem here.

I recommend re-watching the episode because from what I remember the idea was 100% from the humanoids not the holodeck.

You can watch SFdebree if you get to angry watching the real thing.

He even bitches that the humans toss the idea around trying new simulations in the holodeck and starts screaming like a madman after Neelix(its a trope) pitches a idea to the engineers and then they get a flash of brilliant and instantly try this new solution on the holodeck.

The episode was never

<computer create me a engine that will go to warp 10.

See for yourself:

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Threshold_(episode)

Star Trek never was heavy on singularity level of ideas and was always with humans having a hands on approach.

and this is strange since in our reality we simply might soon see algorithms that will design ships or plains better then any human so in the end the

<computer design a fast ship

Will be all humans do in our real future.

>>9447

Certainly a massive step backwards from the TOS episode where Abraham Lincoln apologizes for calling Uhura a negress and she says they don't give a shit because it's the CURRENT YEAR.

>>5907

That Fraiser episode wasn't that great.

>>25600

I think it was still accurate Janeway.

>>6053

Patrician. Most people seem to tolerate or even like this episode but 'Maneuvers' is my least favorite in all of Trek. It is so agonizing to watch the abuse of the crew at the hands of the writers that it reminds me of a young boy telling an "and then…and then…" story. There is no answer to "yes, but how?" because the characters and setting are just metaphorical action figures for the drooling kikes to bash together.

A better episode title would be "Convoluted" and, for being actively frustrating to watch, I rate it lower than the boring episodes. At least those don't raise my cortisol levels.

>>6309

Stargates clip shows were kind of infuriating because they would put some plot advancing elements into the clip show to force you to watch that garbage.

>>24326

>A lot of stuff in ENT season 1 makes sense if you watch it thinking the writers only had one season planned.

I noticed this when I re-watched the whole series a few years back. There a lot of guest stars and cameos by people who were on previous Star Trek shows.

>>25600

I kind of want to be a grumpy old admiral on a bridge shitposting about the good old days.

>>5908

>>5937

>>5939

>Threshold

There is nothing wrong with Threshold. It is a classic science fiction story, and would have been the base for good body horror. The only mistake was to adapt it for a Star Trek episode, which forced a happy ending where Paris and Janeway should have obviously died.

I don't really want to go back and research this shit, but I do know at least 4 first season TNG episodes were so terrible it's a miracle the show wasn't cancelled.

People say that the first season of Star Trek series is the worst, and I think that is true in every case but TOS (first season was best). TOS got progressively worse halfway through the second season.

>>29579

Whatever it was (and it probably was something grand), it got heavily watered down to Paris and Janeway becoming alligators. That was retarded.

>>29648

STD recently repeated the individuals "evolve" bit from VOY, they still haven't learned their lesson.

>>29647

Most of TNG season 1 was more interesting than that snoozefest that was season 2

>>29651

The madmen they really want the show to die don't they?

>>9528

> Shatner does his finest dramatic over-acting! when the crew realise he's acting weird

That was entertaining as fuck.

>>9528

Fuck you m8. Also Janeway and Gumby proved women make terrible captains. None of those are even bad episodes and backdoor pilots were common as shit back then. The only truly bad episode of TOS was the Alternative Factor. Spock's Brain is stupid but its horribly enjoyable.