1b5ef4 No.5907 [View All]
Worst Star Trek episodes?
This masterpiece is from DS9 season 3, episode 8: "Meridian".
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90fda2 No.23644
TNG has the best and worst Star Trek episodes
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c6002a No.23645
>>23639
And those flaws did come up in the earlier seasons, but as the series progressed they became less visible. This was at least partly because her relationship with Sisko became more and more functional, which removed most of the opportunities for her to act like a distrustful angry bitch, but writer wank almost certainly had a hand in it as well.
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590696 No.23647
>>23645
I completely agree, it's a shame what happened to Kira as the show went on. I really liked her and most of her episodes at first, but once she resolved most of her issues, she was just kind of there. At least she wasn't Dax, I guess.
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48399d No.23649
>>6022
I like how it's possible to tai-chi your way out of a transporter beam. How does that even work?
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ae6399 No.23654
>>23647
They just got bored with her. Is there even a Kira episode in the last three seasons? I don't remember one except the ones that center arround Odo trying to court her.
Instead they got interested in making Dax more sassy to the point where she is outright psychotic, and for some fucking unknown reason they got interested in Bashir and made him an augment.
However, none of this equals the crime of what they did do Dukat. Can you imagine a writer coming up with this:
>What if we give Dukat mental illness, coming up with the idea to kill every living being on Bajor, letting him contact some ancient devils and then having him fucking date Kai Winn so they can discover the Necronomicon together?
And then imaging you have other people unironically thinking this is a good idea?
What would have been a better way to handle all this is to make Kira a more fervent Bajoran patriot and giving her the option that to ally with the Dominion would have been the only option for Bajor to stay safe (as they would not let the spoons shoa them for a second time), creating some tension there and bringing her closer to the dark side and Dukat, and then having this all culminate in a finale where Bajorans and Cardassians eventually reconcile after Dukat kills Kira for some reason and then is killed by Damar in response or something as Dukat alienates Damar more and more with opportunistic policies. Just an idea.
Also, they should have given Dukat and Weyoun waaay more scenes. Those exchanges were one of the best ones in the series. Damar is funny, but he's just snarking at Weyoun all the time, gets old quickly.
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3a580e No.23659
The last season would have probably been better written if they had shopped it out to homeless illiterates.
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010815 No.23662
>>23654
>Instead they got interested in making Dax more sassy to the point where she is outright psychotic,
I thought that was partially the result of some behind the scenes drama between the actress and the producers\directors?
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c7d949 No.23665
>>23659
Unironically true. Because if the writers had no influence, story direction would be dictated primarily by actor ad-libbing. And that would ultimately mean a lot more monologues by Marc Alaimo and Jeffrey Combs. But on the other hand it might mean more chimpouts from Avery Brooks about some centuries-old race relations issue.
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010815 No.23667
>>23665
>But on the other hand it might mean more chimpouts from Avery Brooks about some centuries-old race relations issue.
Just throw him a baseball and tell him it's a holodeck episode. If and when he gets ranting about the Negro League, tell him that camera B is still rolling and say to to keep going until he exhausts himself. Camera B does not have any film in it. It never has.
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ca3ba5 No.24030
>>5945
I've watched every episode of DS9 about a dozen times an I haven't had the stomach to sit through it once.
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897b91 No.24161
Well I was digging through my folders and I found this. How relevant is it?
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eb5c03 No.24301
>>24161
Anon, Do you have DS9 bingo?
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58fd98 No.24325
>>24161
This kekles my keks
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5a7b0e No.24326
>>6424
tbh I am surprised Star Trek never did an episode with a male getting pregnant before this one. I don't get the hate for this episode either. It's more forgettable than bad imo.
>>6564
The holodeck was going to be mentioned at some point and everyone knew it going into ENT. The holodeck in that episode is basically extended fan service.
A lot of stuff in ENT season 1 makes sense if you watch it thinking the writers only had one season planned.
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ca8d76 No.24412
>>24161
repeats itself a bit too much, and no reset button for the free space?
also, needed another spot for "tom paris knows how to do everything" and "neelix is annoying." maybe also "seven hijacks another episode" too.
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9f3b33 No.24468
>>24161
it's funny because it's true
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07de9b No.24472
>>24468
Michelle Forbes was cuter there than she was as Ro.
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1a82e6 No.24499
>>24161
You can actually see the actor playing Tom Paris age on screen as the show progresses.
I think he was a good actor that wasted his best years on a shit show, and was slowly realizing it.
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51bc64 No.24537
>>24472
It's because you can't see the mole.
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2a9d62 No.25195
>>22123
The reason threshold is THE worst episode is because it ruins star trek as a series from the ground up.
If you can use the holodeck as CAD software, and it actually WORKS then there are no limitations to what the federation could accomplish with nothing but a holodeck and a replicator.
Their computers have proven to be vastly superior to them in every possible way as far as theorizing goes.
They ask it all the time to theorize and it does.
So why not with the holodeck?
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bba25a No.25197
>>25195
is pic related the equivalent of the anti-Threshold episode? the one where Geordi and his old friends start turning into lizard people. The holodeck is used to a unique effect where it's able to construct a life-like simulation, but it's very shallow and limited in scope. All of the characters in the sim act like they're on rails when the system has to improvise (because the holodeck is trying to re-create an event and lacks info but the effect actually resembles how the holodeck should always operate). The ability to go off-script or model complex systems should have always been limited.
TNG had a recurring trope of mentioning how inferior replicated food was and they applied that trope to the holodeck too in Season 1 even though it was totally indistinguishable from the point of view of the audience. Replicated food looks like real enough food and holodeck sims look as real as any tv sets. We relied on the characters to tell us that its supposed to be not-entirely-convincing. Somewhere along the way the writers forgot this.
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2a9d62 No.25198
>>25197
They forgot it in TNG itself really.
What with people being able to lose each other in the holodeck.
Even if it uses tricks to make things seem further away, in reality if 5 people are on the holodeck, they could only ever possibly be 5-10 feet from one another at best.
The holodeck would strain to make the illusions look real.
Supposedly it's like a flat projection half the time till you walk up to something, then it sort of pops out and becomes a 3D light image, but everything beyond the physical size of the holodeck is like looking at a computer screen with just really good eye and motion tracking.
Yet data, an android without human eyes, and Jordi with his visor that sees in 100 different light spectrums couldn't see someone was at most 15 feet from them?
The same episode also had a guy using primitive tools to control the ship from inside the holodeck, which should be impossible since it works off it's own memory, and because it's dumb and makes no sense.
Another episode that ruins star trek for logistical reasons is the DS9 episode where rom invents self replicating cloaked mines.
This means replicators can replicate replicators, because for the mines to be self replicating they not only need to be fitted with replicators, but make new ones attached to the replicated mines.
It also means they can replicate something as complicated as a cloaking device.
Not to mention all the physical materials in the mine like the explosives, generator, the particles the cloaking device needs to run.
Might as well just make self replicating engines, free power my dudes.
Plus how do the mines position themselves?
Do they replicate in thin air away from the other mines or did they have engines to move out into position?
Self replicating mines means their replicators can make energy particles fuel and explosives.
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6ff49e No.25201
>>25198
Oh fuck yes. That self replicating mine bullshit triggered me too. Star Trek has always had creative energy sources, but they never just straight up gave thermodynamics the middle finger like this.
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24bfdb No.25202
>>10961
>>10701
yep, that's going in my /strek/ folder
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691662 No.25207
>>10577
It's certainly my least favourite, beating out the one where Trip does space feminism and the one where T'Pol has space aids. Those two were way too on the nose, It's Star Trek so I expect some preachiness, but not like that. Literally calling them "the minority" and everything.
>>19073
>all the ones where one gets some space STD, pregnancy or has sex with a non-binary gender species
well shit shoulda read the thread before replying
>>23600
>Soong
One question about that, does the augments fucking each other count as incest? 'cause I got a really weird vibe from that.
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51bc64 No.25208
>>25207
>>23600
MISAKA IS WAKING
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010815 No.25245
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>>25207
> and the one where T'Pol has space aids.
That one reached such low levels of bad. I was half expecting one of the characters to do a Mr. Roper and look at the camera grinning, "it's AIDS, get it?!"
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254270 No.25279
>>25195
>The reason threshold is THE worst episode is because it ruins star trek as a series from the ground up.
>If you can use the holodeck as CAD software, and it actually WORKS then there are no limitations to what the federation could accomplish
Umm what? I know that VOY haters are generally insane however this really takes the cake to a whole new level of super insane.
This is literally like someone complaining (if our lives where some 1800s novel about the future, basically SF) that the one novel that ruined it all was when the computers where used not as toys to play computer games however where used for productive tasks like CAD software.
I mean Umm ??? !!! ??? !!!
Why are you people against using technology for practical purposes.
Not to mention its super realistic ,computers can be used for games of fluid simulations and CAD IRL.
It looked like a useful extrapolation of the technology and was nice, they need to make more of it.
You don't want people to have the ability to simulate things? On computers? The same ability we have today? In the future?
I mean they could make the characters look at a screen to see the results of a simulation however
1) This costs more then re-using existing sets if we are talking some advanced computer representations GUI on crack style.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJqbivkm0Ms
There are more flashy GUIs in avatar 2009 however I can not quickly find them.
2) This way its more engaging for the audience (to see actors interacting with everything and acting).
3) it looks better then all alternatives. Because of the budget it would be some people looking at a glowing wall (what the TNG era screens actually are) and talking.
4) It actually shows depth in the fictional universe, because people are using the technology in intelligent ways (VS all the times the writers never think how some technologies can work together or even one technology would overpower other ones).
5) I remember them doing this in TNG also with the Gordie recreating a doctor to help him with some warp coil thing that also was simulated on the holodeck.
>>25197
>All of the characters in the sim act like they're on rails when the system has to improvise (because the holodeck is trying to re-create an event and lacks info but the effect actually resembles how the holodeck should always operate).
What episode are you talking about I can remember some is it where they use the holodeck to try to spot someone based on shadows and this person gets recreated incompletely?
Because this is not a contradiction there is a infinite difference between running a simulation where you give all the starting variables and make the computer calculate the results and trying to extrapolate things from given data because in extrapolation you are acting like a detective and you will hit limitations of your data and can not extrapolate further or have a extremely distorted image.
This is nothing like doing the physical(simulation) version of
>I have 93 cents with a interest rate of 2.25% per year for 1,000 years what will I have after 1,000 years?
You control all the variables or can simply make them up for the purposes of the simulation
>we are in a empty space with no particles try engines
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254270 No.25280
>>25198
>holodeck
The holodeck is generally balls to the walls insane.
I mean who came up with the idea and why?
The writers are inconsistent it raises problems and questions, the writers forget how it worked in previous episodes.
I mean why holograms? In a universe where they can replicate everything, why not replicate a area that you fill with replicated plants, rocks and water etc (not holographic plants) and all the people are nothing more then identical to human robots that the computer also replicates and controls remotely where the actual consciousness of these AIs lives in the computer however they are unaware of this fact.
When a drone human whould walk out of the holodeck:
1) The computer programs in safeties into the AI that it will not walk out
>Fails to see exit(the AIs vision is controlled by the computer)
>Finds excuses not to walk out of the exit (kind of like no holodeck character notices that a alien is playing the role of some human and acts like this is normal, or if a woman is playing a role that would be unacceptable in some ancient society)
2) If the AI craps up the computer will simply terminate the AIs remote radio connection to the drone body and the drone will collapse like a puppet with its strings cut
3) Even if this all fails, if the drone keeps on walking after some distance the signal will not be strong enough and the AI will get degraded signal (looks tippy for the AI with lag+signal loss) and finally the drone will collapse because its out of the range of the radio signal.
I seriously don't know why they did not make it this way instead using holo particles and other absolutely made up and out of place ideas.
I mean how hard is it for the computer to replicate a robot or all the things if replicators are everywhere?
And Yes I basically made the holodeck into a better version of westworld
https://youtu.be/zbBvN4mDn3k
Only in ST where replicators are everywhere and replicate in seconds why not replicate the environment and the drones, also the drones can be damaged or destroyed at will because the super replicator will simply recycle them and make fresh new drones in the next simulation.
This would eliminate all problems and make a real relation between the replicators and the holodeck or replicator-deck in my scenario.
>Even if it uses tricks to make things seem further away, in reality if 5 people are on the holodeck, they could only ever possibly be 5-10 feet from one another at best.
in my replicator-deck the scene size would be limited and after reaching the limit of the hall there would be a loading screen or the computer simply saying for you to get to the starting position because it will be building the next chapter or whatever is behind this loading screen.
However in the holodecks defense it is possibly to trick this, only it would require for every to be in his own separate tiny holodeck and the ground would move with you as you walk (like in a hamster ball or other solutions)
https://youtu.be/2e5Qvac3BB8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPSqM-g7_r0
More like this:
https://youtu.be/nQR49JGySTM
https://youtu.be/eg8Bh5iI2WY
Notice how you can walk forever in whatever direction you want.
Making all feedback using force fields is not a problem. So everyone is in his own VR ball or room can you make it in one room with other people?
Yes however the explanation will be a little difficult to grasp.
<Mode 1:
Everyone is together in one room they actually touch one another so if you grab hands with your buddy its his actual hand.
<Mode 2:
People start walking apart, now the computer will isolate every player in his own VR ball while faking the world around you. I have no idea why you are doing this this way and how phenomenally hard it is to compensate for people to walk in all directions. While a VR ball is far simpler to make and having every player in his own VR ball from the start.
So yea if you can compensate for people walking away in all directions or have unlimited space for 1 player.
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7915d6 No.25281
>>25280
Replication requires much more energy. The holodeck is just force fields and ray tracing.
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254270 No.25283
>>25281
I'm curious who came up with the idea of it and why.
So there is holo particles (or what was the name of it) who can only exist next to editors and if some of this holo particles try to exit their holo space they cease to exist.
Sometimes it takes time for this to happen, sometimes its instant (go TNG!).
I mean why?! What was the idea behind it? I was using a extrapolation of the diamond age. Basically super advanced and near instant 3D printers (if you are a filthy pleb and don''t know what the diamond age is or think that glue gun on rails is somehow revolutionary).
>ray tracing.
I don't think you know what this word means.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_tracing_(graphics)
Because this would require us to make physics work 180 differently if implemented in reality, ray tracing is a computer calculation thing that ignores a lot of variables to get a near and practically always life like light patch however it uses cheats by making "eyes emit light only".
The 100% realistic however insanely more computationally difficult solution is Path tracing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Path_tracing
Ray tracing is used to make CGI movies and is the holy grail for computer games for decades.
https://youtu.be/J3ue35ago3Y
https://youtu.be/eirg1RdywPA
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51bc64 No.25284
>>25283
>ray tracing is a computer calculation thing that ignores a lot of variables to get a near and practically always life like light patch however it uses cheats by making "eyes emit light only".
>The 100% realistic however insanely more computationally difficult solution is Path tracing.
Yes, I know what ray tracing is. I mentioned it specifically because it is more computationally efficient, and because it's all that matters. Visually speaking, the only thing the holoprojector has to project is the photons that reach your eyes. I always assumed this was how people could seem far apart while being next to each other. All the info reaching their senses tells them the person is far away, despite the person actually only being a few feet from them.
Then again, in the Rashomon TNG episode, the doodad on the holodeck reacts to that exotic radiation coming from the planet as if it were the actual device, which seems like something a little more intense than photons and force fields. Also in VOY, Neelix has holographic lungs for awhile. Again, that seems a little more intense than an illusion crated by photons and force fields.
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2a9d62 No.25285
>>25279
Except that my complaint is not that it was used as cad software, it's that it was used so successfully that they showed they could do just about anything with it, but they didn't.
And why not?
Encounter a never before seen virus that your advanced doctor can't fix?
Use the holodeck.
Need to design a new ship to do something no ship has ever done before?
Use the holodeck.
Need to answer an impossible riddle?
Use the holodeck.
George Costanza not around to solve your problem?
Use the holodeck
If you can't see why the holodeck is one of the worst things in star trek (because why would a society that literally made heaven need to leave it?) and that voyager is one of the worst offenders of this next to TNG, then you're braindead.
And
>>25197
was mentioning that episode as a good example of using the holodeck to do something.
It isn't over powered there, it just acts like a simulation with limitations.
But if the holodeck can design a ship to go warp 10+ when no human can, then no human should be designing ships.
By the way nice meme generator images dipshit.
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b602cc No.25287
>>25285
>Except that my complaint is not that it was used as cad software
OK
> it's that it was used so successfully that they showed they could do just about anything with it, but they didn't.
you seriously need to elaborate on this what exactly is it that bothers you with it.
>Encounter a never before seen virus that your advanced doctor can't fix?
I have no idea what you are talking about here.
>If you can't see why the holodeck
I have a hard time even interpreting your complaint.
Are you complaining that the holodeck is used for every situation and to solve it?
kind of like smartphones are used for everything today
Need photo?
Phone.
need to make a video recording?
Phone.
Communication?
Phone (SMS, video call, audio only).
Internet access?
Phone.
Calculator?
Phone.
Games?
Phone.
Is this your complaint?
>Need to design a new ship to do something no ship has ever done before?
Umm you promised that using it for CAD was not a problem you did have.
What do you think CAD is used for?
Or structural simulations?
>voyager is one of the worst offenders of this next to TNG
I can list VOY episodes with the holodeck that are about the same like TNG so ican agree that the holodeck in VOY is used in the same way to solve problems like on TNG.
Is this your complaint?
>was mentioning that episode
Episode name plz.
>It isn't over powered there, it just acts like a simulation with limitations.
Did you even read?
>>25279
And the difference between information extraction from data and creating a simulation?
Like:
>I have 93 cents with a interest rate of 2.25% per year for 1,000 years what will I have after 1,000 years?
> isn't over powered there, it just acts like a simulation with limitations.
Whats wrong with simulating a new engine on the holodeck? And how it behaves?
>But if the holodeck can design a ship to go warp 10+
Ahh I see the problem here.
I recommend re-watching the episode because from what I remember the idea was 100% from the humanoids not the holodeck.
You can watch SFdebree if you get to angry watching the real thing.
He even bitches that the humans toss the idea around trying new simulations in the holodeck and starts screaming like a madman after Neelix(its a trope) pitches a idea to the engineers and then they get a flash of brilliant and instantly try this new solution on the holodeck.
The episode was never
<computer create me a engine that will go to warp 10.
See for yourself:
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Threshold_(episode)
Star Trek never was heavy on singularity level of ideas and was always with humans having a hands on approach.
and this is strange since in our reality we simply might soon see algorithms that will design ships or plains better then any human so in the end the
<computer design a fast ship
Will be all humans do in our real future.
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2fc366 No.25527
>>9447
Certainly a massive step backwards from the TOS episode where Abraham Lincoln apologizes for calling Uhura a negress and she says they don't give a shit because it's the CURRENT YEAR.
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dea29b No.25600
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>>5907
That Fraiser episode wasn't that great.
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707f12 No.25691
>>25600
I think it was still accurate Janeway.
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881aa7 No.29557
>>6053
Patrician. Most people seem to tolerate or even like this episode but 'Maneuvers' is my least favorite in all of Trek. It is so agonizing to watch the abuse of the crew at the hands of the writers that it reminds me of a young boy telling an "and then…and then…" story. There is no answer to "yes, but how?" because the characters and setting are just metaphorical action figures for the drooling kikes to bash together.
A better episode title would be "Convoluted" and, for being actively frustrating to watch, I rate it lower than the boring episodes. At least those don't raise my cortisol levels.
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e3bd3b No.29559
>>6309
Stargates clip shows were kind of infuriating because they would put some plot advancing elements into the clip show to force you to watch that garbage.
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e3bd3b No.29560
>>24326
>A lot of stuff in ENT season 1 makes sense if you watch it thinking the writers only had one season planned.
I noticed this when I re-watched the whole series a few years back. There a lot of guest stars and cameos by people who were on previous Star Trek shows.
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695327 No.29577
>>25600
I kind of want to be a grumpy old admiral on a bridge shitposting about the good old days.
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343943 No.29579
>>5908
>>5937
>>5939
>Threshold
There is nothing wrong with Threshold. It is a classic science fiction story, and would have been the base for good body horror. The only mistake was to adapt it for a Star Trek episode, which forced a happy ending where Paris and Janeway should have obviously died.
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58fd98 No.29647
I don't really want to go back and research this shit, but I do know at least 4 first season TNG episodes were so terrible it's a miracle the show wasn't cancelled.
People say that the first season of Star Trek series is the worst, and I think that is true in every case but TOS (first season was best). TOS got progressively worse halfway through the second season.
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dda32e No.29648
>>29579
Whatever it was (and it probably was something grand), it got heavily watered down to Paris and Janeway becoming alligators. That was retarded.
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58fd98 No.29651
>>29648
STD recently repeated the individuals "evolve" bit from VOY, they still haven't learned their lesson.
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c95c12 No.29657
>>29647
Most of TNG season 1 was more interesting than that snoozefest that was season 2
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636a25 No.29726
>>29651
The madmen they really want the show to die don't they?
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ca4dcf No.29752
>>9528
> Shatner does his finest dramatic over-acting! when the crew realise he's acting weird
That was entertaining as fuck.
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14bad5 No.29760
>>9528
Imagine missing the point of Miri this hard.
It's not a lazy gimmick that they find a planet that happens to be an exact reflection of 1960s Earth. It's very intentional. The entire episode is a mission statement for the series as a whole, which is why it's the only ep in TOS which has a different font for the title card.
It's also why most of the children in the episode are the IRL kids of the crew and cast. Shatner holds his own child in his arms at one point and Roddenberry's spawn is running around there somewhere. They were thinking about the future.
Pro-tip: look at what's drawn on the chalkboard behind Kirk, the dialogue, and the costumes the Onlies are wearing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rm6gjQBwPFM
BTW the kid with the gavel is the kid from To Kill A Mockingbird, and that's not a coincidence either.
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383862 No.29770
>>9528
Fuck you m8. Also Janeway and Gumby proved women make terrible captains. None of those are even bad episodes and backdoor pilots were common as shit back then. The only truly bad episode of TOS was the Alternative Factor. Spock's Brain is stupid but its horribly enjoyable.
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