efaba0 No.31689 [View All]
See title. Now I know Voyager is often overshadowed by the other series, notably DS9 and TNG, but it still beats Discovery by a long shot.
Anyone else think that the writers shouldn't have had the Vidiians obtain a cure to the phage? IMO they should have set them up to attempt to invade Qo'nos in the alpha quadrant after discovering that Klingons have immunity to the phage. Voyager would have to take responsibly of accidentally introducing the Klingons to the Vidiians (the latter who are infamous for their organ-harvesting practices). It could be neat to watch the Klingons face the threat of having their entire race harvested in a similar way in which the Borg attempted to assimilate Earth.
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8a6365 No.32113
>>31758
>>31805
I just rewatched Year of Hell for the first time in years and while it was better than average for Voyager, it still is nowhere near as good as even merely good-tier episodes of the other series.
The episode starts with a Krenim official telling Janeway they're invading Krenim space and firing torpedoes. Janeway makes absolutely no attempt to resolve the situation diplomatically and literally laughs at him, says he has a small dick, and hangs up the phone.
It then plods along pretty well, driven by some great visual story-telling and dark shit happening (broken mirror/coffee cup, speech about the stopwatch, Tuvok going blind, the set getting increasingly fucked up) which is why I think people like the episode. This was definitely strong, as was the actor for the main antagonist, Annorax.
It goes downhill after that. At the end of the first episode, Annorax kidnaps Paris and Chakotay for no real reason except that episode 2 needed a B story and we needed an excuse to get to know Annorax better. There is a subplot with Chakotay and Paris where the latter threatens mutiny on the former when he thinks that he's been swayed by Annorax which is completely forgettable and falls under the usual Voyager banner of "Tom Paris is no Han Solo".
This is resolved when Annorax performs another temporal incursion after he had inspiration from a dream, but this creates more problems than it solves. Why doesn't anything at all change in the plot outside of Chakotay's motivations? Voyager literally doesn't even have life support, does it really have the ability to maintain its temporal shielding? What about all of the escape pods, were those people erased from history? The episode brushes over these questions.
Then Janeway is apprehended by the Doctor because she's got PTSD and its affecting her judgement. She tells him to fuck off, in direct violation of Starfleet protocol. While in isolation this would merely represent her mental state and the dire situation, in the context of Voyager it's just another example of Janeway being a hypocrite. It reminds me of the time she sentences some members of the Equinox crew to death by alien murder.
At the end of the two-parter, Voyager attacks the Krenim ship and destroys it. Voyager does this with the aid of a number of allied ships. We have no idea who these people are, what they look like, or what their motivations are. They literally just appear out of nowhere. Did Janeway really manage to convince people that there was some guy altering the timeline and only she had the power to stop him? And they agreed to fight alongside her 7-man crew on a fucked up ship instead of stealing her temporal shielding technology or bargaining with Annorax? And this all happened off-screen?
And at the end, the episode resets. While this is an obvious conclusion to a time travel episode, again in the context of Voyager it is really disappointing. The whole experience counts for nothing. I enjoyed bits of it, but I'd say at least 2/3s of the rest of Trek's catalog outclasses it.
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00cc24 No.32114
>>32105
>What? All of those are private companies, not government
I'm going to sit here patiently while you work out why companies that could not exist were it not for either direct subsidy, state contracts, or state-imposed regulations are guilty of receiving gibs.
>SpaceX
Receives over 5 billion in subsidies. Not contracts, subsidies, as in money they get for the virtue of existing before any actual work is done. It spends over a million in Congressional lobbying, and the result of this is that SpaceX rockets continue to be used despite being much less reliable than their competitors. SpaceX rockets are also 50% more expensive than their competitive, which was one of their only selling points in the first place. When SpaceX rockets crash, (such as the resupply vessel that did in 2015), no formal report is made by NASA, despite this being standard procedure. And SpaceX receives 80% of their payment for the trip despite it being an abject failure. In fact, NASA's response to this failure was to award Tyrone Musk a long-term contract. On top of all that, when SpaceX lost a contract that went to its competitors, Musk tried to sue the feds for not giving him the contract. This guy is so used to coasting off government gibs that he thinks he has a right to sue if hever stops getting them. And over 80% of said contracts from the Feds, hardly a "pittance" as you imply. And even SpaceX's profitability from those contracts is questionable. The company has only managed to claim positive earnings because of playing Enron-tier games with their books, counting prepaid customers in current year revenue and excluding costs that were "non-core" research. If the company was doing well they wouldn't have to pull shit like this.
>Tesla
Has yet to turn a profit. Stock value is freefalling due to investors realizing that reddit memes don't actually contribute to net earnings. Is currently the largest short in the US market. Receives over 280 million in federal assistance and millions more in state subsidies. Overstated production numbers of the Model 3 to taxpayers. Has a history of inflating prices to secure more tax credits.Musk keeps promising to be a mass-producing company despite electric cars being an upper and upper-middle class niche, and has no idea how to get there. Most of Tesla's sales have just been to other automakers seeking to get their "fleet average" MPG rating lower to appease the EPA; if the EPA's regulations didn't exist these sales wouldn't exist. And this isn't even getting into the problems with Tesla cars spontaneously combusting.
>The US government actually lags a lot behind because they're too busy building trillion-dollar military machines that will never get used
Excellent work, you 60-IQ Bantu. You've figured out that the military-industrial complex is nothing more than a shell game of kikery that wastes taxpayer money on useless projects. The fact that other people are doing what Musk is doing doesn't invalidate criticism of him.
>What kind of fucking war do you think is going to be fought in this world of smart missiles and drones that we're going to need tanks in?
Thank you for letting us know you're a retard when it comes to military theory as well as finance, it saves us the trouble of wondering if there's a worthwhile thought anywhere in your pretty little head.
All right guys, fess up. Which one of you faggots linked this place to reddit? We've got enough problems dealing with the diaperfags without niggerloving fedora-tippers shitting this place up.
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8ad389 No.32116
>>32114
Wow, you're a dumb nigger.
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4b86aa No.32124
>>32116
You've just been BTFO out of the known universe, redditor. Come up with something better.
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54f60a No.32126
>>32114
Awww, isnt that cute! Another butthurt TSLA shortseller stomping his feet and having a temper tantrum. I just love you guys. You're so entertaining.
If you REALLY want to short something, try Boeing. Between the MAX, KC-46, and SLS debacles, you'd have more luck there.
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00cc24 No.32127
>>32126
>projecting this hard
Only niggers short stocks.
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ba006f No.32131
>>32105
>Jesus never existed He was a fairy tale made up by the rulers of countries in order to pacify and control their population.
Hi /pol/
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202581 No.32132
>>32105
>Jesus never existed
Historyfag here, Jeshua ben Yosep is a known and confirmed historical figure in 1st century Judea. The Romans kept pretty good records and his execution for political agitation is pretty well described and more or less matches the non-fantastical parts of the biblical accounts pretty well. He was definitely a guy who existed, and his followers seemed pretty sure that they believed he was the son of God. That last part doesn't confirm he was anything other than a man, of course, the members of the Taiping Heavenly Sect of Great Peace were pretty sure that Hong Xiuquan was son of God as well, but claiming that Jesus is a fictional character makes you look like a retarded 14 year old who just started reading his first Dawkins meme.
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c944c5 No.32135
I liked Harry and Tom in their holosuite programs. Chakotay and Tuvok were quite good too. Picardo takes the crown by a mile. Neelix was a very difficult character to play, I blame the screenwriting but everything positive that he managed to pull was the actor. The real bummer about voyager is the lack of what every good show needs. Pretty girls in pretty clothing. I know it's sexist but when things are as bad as they are a tv show is the only place where you're allowed to look at a woman without causing some sort of trouble. Janeway was ok for my dad but I mean you have to give the young lad something to look at am I right or wrong?
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00cc24 No.32136
>>32135
>Janeway was ok for my dad
Is your dad going blind?
Voyager had Silicon of DD for eye candy in the second half of the show. Your analysis of the rest of the characters I have to disagree on. Paris is serviceable, if somewhat boring. Kim has no personality of his own, he only exists so Paris has a friend that he talks to. Chakotay likewise only exists so Janeway has someone to talk to, his whole personality is The Redskin First Officer. Janeway is insane. Tuvok is also serviceable. He's a Vulkan who's constantly sick and tired of the madhouse of a ship he's been put onto, which means the audience can relate to him a lot. The Doctor is top-tier and carries the entire show. I don't think Neelix is as annoying as some people say, but I don't really have anything positive to say about the character either.
>I know it's sexist
It's not. Even if it was, there's hardly anything wrong with acknowledging the reality that the sexes are different.
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c944c5 No.32138
>>32136
Now I remember. But she doesn't really count as she always acted cold as a borg and it would be way better if bikinis were standard starfleet uniforms. All in all the show left me with the impression of a screenwriting that was more about travelling through the galaxy than about human interactions. It's kind of a shame but I guess that's what Hollywood does, finding every way possible to destroy families and prevent people from forming stable relationships by showing viewers how they're expected to behave.
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a6f661 No.32139
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
you will never be Hirogen kebab remover and squish that pesky voyager crews resistance while rescuing seven from her life of deprivation all while wearing hugo boss.
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7c80ee No.32140
>>32055
I wish Jesus would release the plans for the warp drive. So we can get on with settling the Galaxy properly.
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3b4738 No.32143
>>32135
>Pretty girls in pretty clothing.
much is made of 7/9 but prime Kes was not bad
>>32136
>Kim has no personality of his own, he only exists so Paris has a friend that he talks to
One wonders why Paris exists
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df5cd1 No.32147
>>32143
I don't know why they wrote Paris instead of just using the Nova Squadron character he played from TNG. There's not even any major differences. At first I thought that's who Paris was.
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25a776 No.32148
>>32147
>Nova Squadron character
Nick Locarno. Supposedly they were just going to use that character, but the Voyager bean counters didn't want to pay royalties to use him, so they just created a new character.
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a6f661 No.32150
>>32147
his demotion was probably punishment from the superior bull caste. Getting assigned to Voyager was probably not a desirable assignment and in all likelihood a career killer. His philandering led to his banishment even though he had a high ranking daddy. Cucks beware.
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00cc24 No.32155
>>32143
Kes became okay after she grew her hair out.
Paris, unlike Kim, has a semblance of a personality and interests that are attached to him. Not enough to be a remarkable character, but serviceable by Voyager standards.
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a98080 No.32158
The original, TNG, Voyager, DS9. Everything else is complete shit IMHO.
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3c4d0a No.32159
>>32135
>I know it's sexist
t. guilty faggot pretending to be a man.
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a7e303 No.32163
>>31742
it's fashionable to hate voyager
i'll admit when i first watched it, i didnt like it either. There arent really any standouts or interesting characters but once the doctor steals the show and they add seven, it becomes one of my favorite series. Granted other shows have more good actors (DS9 most notably) voy is still enjoyable to watch, even if you already know what's going to happen. But its a bit like SG-1 once you fall in love with the characters, you love the show. If you dont, then you wont.
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c944c5 No.32164
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00cc24 No.32179
>>32163
But would you ever re-watch Voyager start to finish? I can easily do that with DS9, watching from the premier to the series finale in Season 6. Not so with Voyager. I'll watch the episodes I like again, but there's just too much garbage in between for me to do a start to finish run again.
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fa504f No.32180
>>32179
But that's easy to do with very episodic shows. Shit, There are even some TNGs I'd skip, even though, on the whole, I like TNG much better than both VOY and DS9.
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08eafa No.32181
>>31689
Shut the fuck up about Voyager.
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00cc24 No.32185
>>32180
Yes, I know it's easy to do, it's one of the reasons I prefer episodic+some overarching shit to the current binge watch trend. I'm saying the fact that most people would never choose to watch Voyager from start to finish (while they would for DS9 and TNG) is indicative of the series' lower quality overall, despite some standout episodes.
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db0fcb No.32197
Who is that VOY character called Netflix?
>>32132
> claiming that Jesus is a fictional character makes you look like a retarded 14 year old who just started reading his first Dawkins meme.
He is a fictional character by virtue of being painted as something fictitious beyond what the mere mortal really was: an agitator on an ego-trip, inspired by self-destructive middle-Asian ideas.
This is why people talk of the real Jesus (Yeshua) in opposition to the fabrication that Jesus Christ became in the Bible.
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00cc24 No.32200
>>32197
I think I've yet to see a good Torpost on this site.
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fa504f No.32202
>>32185
Oh, I agree 100%. In fact, Voyager is the only series I've watched that I haven't watch the entire series of. I've seen all of TOS, TAS, TNG, and DS9. I haven't seen all of VOY, I'm not particularly interested in watching ENT, even if it has a hot Asian and a Vulcan titty monster, and I have no intention of ever wasting my time on STD, a show almost literally made of AIDS and fail.
>>32200
I saw one of /b2/ a few days ago, but it wasn't good enough to remember what it actually was.
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3b4738 No.32222
Official VOY character tier levels
High: Expies of Data/Spock
Mid: Expies of well-received TNG minor characters
Low: Expies of Lion King characters
Garbage: Personality TBD. Possibly "ethnic"?
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c8520c No.32224
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d46995 No.32234
The Borg were never gimped, they simply let Voyager do its thing as a way of studying humans and Starfleet tactics.
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00cc24 No.32235
>>32234
This would mean that they consider Janeway to be indicative of humans and Starfleet. The implications of that are sure to be very bad, either for the Borg or the Federation.
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46d078 No.33506
VOY is the second worst Trek series, but it has some of the best (and worst) stand alone episodes.
For example The Caretaker is the best pilot by far.
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3ea2d8 No.33507
>>31698
>implying anyone could ever replace Nathan Bridger
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2ca67b No.33508
>>32124
Nah he's right. They assembled and launched the Falcon 1 –the first privately built liquid fueled orbital rocket before the gov gave them any money at all (contacts, subsidies what have you). That's an impressive feat that deserves recognition, and you'd give it if you weren't obviously jealous of someone who has accomplished something. Could you have done that? Or even formed a company and then hired other people to do it for you? Doubtful.
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bb8b21 No.33511
>>33506
Have you not seen Discovery nor Picard?
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920484 No.33514
>>33511
>second worst
Are you implying it should be third worst? That's the only space you could argue for.
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88462e No.33515
>>33514
>>33514
That is my argument, yes.
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dce842 No.33530
>>33515
I was trying to be a good sport by letting Picard finish first. But yeah OK, at this point fuck it.
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bf9fe0 No.33532
Tom Paris is probably one of the better characters in Voyager.
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bb8b21 No.33536
>>33514
I'd argue fourth. Picard, then STD, then ENT, then VOY.
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3ddab1 No.33541
>>33536
>ENT worse than VOY
I like both but ENT is great, whereas VOY relies on a handful of great episodes over a 7 season run. It's not even close for me really.
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6183ba No.33549
>>33541
Years later I'm still pissed that ENT was cancelled to soon. It would have been nice to see Earth and Romulus trying to nuke each other with big warp-capable cruise missiles.
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3ddab1 No.33553
>>33549
>ywn see Shran as a bridge officer on the Enterprise
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5c0fb2 No.33562
>>33549
>Fairly empty star field pans down to Mars
>Caption: Five years after the events of Terra Prime
>Two Romulan Birds of Prey decloak around the disabled NX-01, preparing to finish it off
>A huge fleet of Suliban Cell Ships warp in, half of them engage the Romulans, the other half forms a screen around the Enterprise.
>They hail the Enterprise and tell Archer that if he leaves with them in a cell ship immediately they will protect his ship.
>He reluctantly agrees, but insists that T'Pol come with him.
>The Suliban fly him away as he watches one of the Romulan ships blow up.
>Captain Archer and T'Pol are brought to the mysterious humanoid figure who tells them about the future destruction of Romulus.
>"But we will prevent that from happening", he says as he is revealed to be Captain Jean Luc Picard.
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ffe38d No.33565
>>31689
I used to watch it a lot in my mid-late teens,
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306b7a No.33676
>>31689 Aye. I have never been able to get into DS9, but Voyager was always a favourite, though I grew up on TOS reruns and TNG weekly. I think it would have been a nice twist to see Klingons being hunted for once, by a superior technology, for parts.
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7d8bb1 No.33677 
>>33676
Klingon parts would make them unstoppable.
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664248 No.33698
>>32055
Excuse me… Excuse me, I'd just like to ask a question.
What does God need with a starship?
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