/strek/ - Star Trek

>>30948

This is the correct answer, and it's actually a recurring theme in many Trek series: Humanity has not evolved. It has advanced, but it has not outgrown its violent, paranoid, animalistic nature. The question we should be asking is why one of the Federation's colonies was allowed to stay that way for decades?

>>30950

>The question we should be asking is why one of the Federation's colonies was allowed to stay that way for decades?

That's the one that I can't find an answer for. The breakdown of Turkana IV is pretty well covered in TNG, but there doesn't seem to be any attempt to explain how or why the Federation doesn't seem to have heard about it until the Potemkin was told to fuck off when they wanted to land on the planet. There also doesn't seem to have been any attempt to solve the problem after Star Fleet became aware of it, they even let Turkana sever its links with the Federation without any of the shit they put the Maquis through - not even a single word of a peacekeeping force as far as I can tell.

Did Star Fleet/The Federation just decide that Turkana was too much of a shitpit to care about?

>>30951

If we venture into headcanon territory, my assumption is the Federation liked that it was a shithole, as they could point to it as an example of what happens if you leave the federation.

>>30951

From what /strek/ canon has pulled and I find it an acceptable answer since it was hinted at and even downright shown at times, is that there were many human colonies formed well before the Federation was created. Either from sublight or Warp 1 era vessels and over time they simply got lost in paperwork or records were destroyed.

So there's potentially dozens if not hundreds of human colonies around that are not part of the Federation.

>>30953

>Some Vulcan smugging out about 'muh needs of the many'

I can actually see that happening. It's just one planet after all and they'd probably feel good about the number of lives they can save with the stories of Turkana's rape gangs.

>>30954

You'd think that would be a huge plot point though. Hundreds of human colonies, at varying levels of development, acting independently and without any coordination with Star Fleet - possibly against Star Fleet - and they're found scattered around Federation space. Do you think that the Klingon or Breen would be happy to accept the 'yeah, sorry, those humans aren't part of our club' explanation after human raiders start hitting their less defended outposts.

Hell, wouldn't these spots where Federation law is not enforced just become a hot spot for every pirate, malcontent, and weirdo in the quadrant? Star Trek does love its planet of hats after all, and having human colonies where they can explore every single form of degeneracy or odd social movement translates into 'we don't need filler episodes anymore'.

Perhaps the colony was overrun by refugees from Rapelon-V but they keep blaming the problem on economic factors

>>30958

To some extent they do run into various Human colonies that aren't affiliated, like the masterpiece society, those cloners, the Irish transplants, and the people growing genetically enhanced children with uber immune systems. Also those poor bastards who were on the planet the Sheliak wanted.

Starfleet seems to have a situational view on all of this, and in general comes down on them if other aliens are involved like the Sheliak or Cardassians. The planet of geneticists seems like a retcon, although maybe because they were remote the Federation let them do research.

>>30953

That makes sense, I really like that interpretation.

>>30993

Jokes aside, that does raise a good question on what societal blindspots the federation would have.

>>30999

Most of them are centered around the infallibility of their own system.

>>30951

>Did Star Fleet/The Federation just decide that Turkana was too much of a shitpit to care about?

I think there's some merit to >>30953's perspective, but I would also be quite willing to believe that the Feds wouldn't want to waste time or resources on it given they had bigger fish to fry. Granted the Potemkin situation was a good half decade before the Feds got slammed by the Borg at Wolf 359, but even then the Cardassians were still taking pot shots at Fed worlds (to O'Brien's misfortune), and Starfleet might not have wanted to go on a grand reclamation project with that hanging over their head. And after Wolf 359, well…conflict with Klingons, the Dominion War, more Borg incursions; all and all not very good environments for relief missions.

>>31001

I sort of felt that about the time Eddington brought up the Borg he more or less fucked himself, given Sisko's history with them. Sort of a side issue, I suppose, though.

>>30948

>believing in modern sociology, which is not science

>calling white history Dark Ages because too christian

This show really gathers the worst cuckservatived.

>>31002

>I would also be quite willing to believe that the Feds wouldn't want to waste time or resources on it given they had bigger fish to fry

Wasn't the early part of the 24th century for the Federation taken up with them being pretty much at war with everyone around them? It wasn't just dealing with Romulans or Klingons, but the fact they had nearly every minor power on their border fighting them at the same time?

>>31005

#triggered

>>31007

Yeah…actually come to think of it, they damn near seem to be at war with someone throughout the whole 2300, at least until the 70s or 80s.

>>31014

The canon-safe explanation is because they are expanding. Venturing into headcanon again, it seems there is an awful lot of pressure for people to move off of Earth, which makes sense - utopia isn't free. It seems the pressure is to remove potential welfare recipients and send them to very dangerous colonies, and extract the complex resources there to support earth. This would put lots of pressure on expansion, which would lead to conflict.

>>30948

Yeah but there is always an underlying thread in federation propaganda that humans truly have advanced and are perhaps even "post human" in a way. I suspect the effects of the eugenics wars and the third world war contribute to this. In theory the humans in star trek are all augments, or descended from augments. In my head cannon Khan and his friends did a lot of raping and pillaging across earth increasing the average iq throughout the entire globe. Which explains why Zephram Cochran was able to invent warp drive in 2063, a couple of generations after the conclusion of the third world war (which also involved augments and genetic engineering).

>>31018

>Yeah but there is always an underlying thread in federation propaganda that humans truly have advanced and are perhaps even "post human" in a way.

Canon-wise, Roddenberry wanted mankind to improve as time went on, so officially that is what happens. Others at Paramount (smarter people) said Star Trek was at its best when it was shown humans hadn't changed all that much, so there's a weird conflict in every series between these two ideas.

>>31018

>Yeah but there is always an underlying thread in federation propaganda that humans truly have advanced and are perhaps even "post human" in a way.

and the Soviets were pushing their idea of the 'Enlightened Worker' pretty hard too. I may venture into headcanon here but throughout the series the Federation seems to be coming dangerously close to losing its grip on power pretty regularly. As has been pointed out ITT and elsewhere they seem to be pretty much constantly either at war with one or more other powers or quite obviously reaching a point where war is inevitable. That sort of external political scene doesn't lead to a happy and content population, even if the state has complete control of the media and is feeding them lies every day. That sort of 'we have brought you out of barbarism and into the wonderful, fluffy, Utopia you see around you' propaganda would be a useful meme to push in such a society - particularly among your military officers - as it would help stabilise the situation and (hopefully) reduce the calls for reform/liberty. It also helps explain the gap we often see between ships bridge crews/researchers and the colonists in the setting; Picard and co are the educated elite of that society and went through 4 to 8 years of political education/indoctrination at a military school to get there. While the crew are always talking about taking some kind of extension course or extra-curricular there I imagine that a large part of their education at the academy was to make sure that they had the official politics of Star Fleet and the Federation lodged in their heads for the rest of their lives.

>>31015

>It seems the pressure is to remove potential welfare recipients and send them to very dangerous colonies, and extract the complex resources there to support earth. This would put lots of pressure on expansion, which would lead to conflict

Does that still make sense in an economy with replicators where 'complex resources' and even entire manufactured, high tech, products can be summoned from thin air? We know that there are a few things that cannot be replicated, but the majority of resources/products can be.

Population pressure would make much more sense as the drive to send people to the colonies. We know that peoples quality of life and behaviour drop pretty sharply as population density increases, and their behaviour becomes a lot less 'enlightened' in crowded cities. The federation could order colonisation missions whenever the medical or census data shows that they're approaching the point where population density would rise past the ability of their citizens to be decent and civilised to each other.

>>31021

I don't think population pressure is a good reason for space colonization as limiting population growth is so easy its hard enough to avoid it naturally happening in a post-industrial society. I'd wager that the main point of encouraging colonization in the Federation is giving an illusion of liberty: if you don't like your gilded holosuite cage, you can either apply yourself in the state military apparatus, or fuck off to colonies to have "real life" full of pointless hardship. It would work also as means to keep up the illusion of equality. If someone wants a vineyard, they obviously can't all get in France, Earth without some connections, but they all sure can get it in France, Space-Crystal-Feeding-Ground-4.

>>31022

That makes sense, I think that overt population control would be a little too heavy handed for the Feddies to maintain the image they've put a lot of time and effort into crafting though. Considering the sheer amount of free time the average citizen of Earth has on their hands, and the incredibly relaxed moral standards in federation space in general I'd be surprised if there wasn't a fairly high childbirth rate outside of the military outfits we see on the show.

Not having enough land was kind of my point though. Unless they were happy to turn the entire surface of Earth into something out of Judge Dredds Mega City 1 they would either need to crack down on reproduction like some kind of Sci Fi China, or start a few thousand new terraforming projects that would be able to take a few hundred thousand citizens out of Earths cities in a decade or so.

>>31021

>Does that still make sense in an economy with replicators where 'complex resources' and even entire manufactured, high tech, products can be summoned from thin air?

There are limits to what can be replicated, which is why mining is still regularly done. Latinum is too complex to replicate, as is dilithium.

Also, we don't really know how efficient replication is. The energy requirements could be quite huge, and so they need to mine to extract resources. Cardassians had replicators but they still needed to strip mine bajor.

>>31023

Effective contraceptives exist. General promiscuity doesn't mean high population growth in current societies, so I don't see how it would do so in Star Trek. Based on contemporary trends, even maintaining their population would require massive effort from the Federation's government, unless they go for pumping out vat-grown babies and then indoctrinating them in state orphanages (which I could see them doing, that being every communists wet dream, but in the show they don't).

>>31026

This is disturbingly believable.

>>31024

As I understand it the output of a Dilithium reactor is basically 'arbitrarily high' - it would need to be for any kind of warp travel to be possible after all. I'm not saying that you could run all of earth off a single star fleet warp core - but if you have enough dilithium mining output to run an entire fleet of ships then you should also have more than enough to provide an unlimited supply of energy to an arbitrarily high population. We also know that the majority of colonies were not dilithium/latinum mines. Latinum also didn't seem to be of much interest to humans unless they were posted somewhere that had a Latinum based economy.

>>31027

But isn't the reaction from matter-antimatter annihilation, and the diluthium is ther to turn the high energy photons into electrical energy to be immediately shuttled into warp core plasma? Doesn't dilithium last indefinitely as long as it isn't melted?

>>31028

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Warp_core

Apparently the dilithium is just used as a crystal matrix to contain the reaction. I can't remember the episodes, but didn't Voyager 'run out of dilithium' or come close a few times?

Does Star Fleet have the capability to economically turn hydrogen into antihydrogen? Or is there just a huge antideuterium harvesting operation that never gets talked about, it would need to be a colossal industry to power every ship in the fleet (even excluding civilian ships and planetary use) considering that antihydrogen is a tiny fraction of the hydrogen in existence (~0.015% of the hydrogen atoms on earth) and presumably the ratio for hydrogen to deuterium would hold for its anti-versions (about one atom in every 6420/0.02% according to the wikipedos). Unless they can replicate or convert antideuterium (at an energy cost that doesn't make the whole process worthwhile) they should have exhausted the quadrants antideuterium reserves pretty quickly considering that Enterprise carries a few tonnes of the stuff on a full tank.

>>31026

This answers more question than it rises on better ratio than canon typically does. They could very well have a half-unofficial social credit system that, among other things, determines every person's access to blockers to the the unspoken contraceptive drugs inserted to all replicated food and drink. Maybe that's why they come up with stupid excuses why replicated food can't possibly be as good as the real thing; they don't want their gonad's fried by synthehol (see Picard's brother actually managing pop out offspring) but can't say it aloud out of fear of getting their privileges voided.

>>31029

There's really no way to put numbers on space magic and have it still make sense.

>>30958

>Do you think that the Klingon or Breen would be happy to accept the 'yeah, sorry, those humans aren't part of our club' explanation

it works for the ferengi, right?

>>31027

This doesn't explain things like Cardassia being considered resource poor. If they are post scarcity with effectively infinite energy they should be in dyson clusters.

>most colonies aren't mines

A good chunk of them are.

>>31033

>This doesn't explain things like Cardassia being considered resource poor.

You're right, that entire plot point and the stories it leads to are complete horseshit unless Cardassia either doesn't have anywhere near the energy infrastructure to realistically possess replicator technology (already ruled out by canon) or is staffed with such complete retards that they haven't realised that the 'magical make whatever you want machine' can make whatever they want (also ruled out by canon).

>A good chunk of them are.

Unless it's federation policy to do things in the most back asswards way possible (a point we can't rule out yet) this makes absolutely no sense.

>>31031

I thought the standard Ferengi line was "yeah, sorry, those ferengi aren't part of our club, that sucks man. Anyway, would you like to contract with one of our urban renewal companies to clean up the damage with a complimentary 50% off 'victim bonus'?".

>>31029

Antimatter is currently the most expensive substance on Earth. The Romulans had the right idea. With an artificial black hole, you don't need antimatter. You just chuck whatever into the black hole and get extremely efficient mass to energy conversion. No antimatter and much less Treknobabble required.

>>31034

>You're right, that entire plot point and the stories it leads to are complete horseshit

There's multiple examples of such things though. Starfleet doesn't replicate Starships, they build them. They can make simple shit but many things are too complex.

>>31035

Don't you have problems with time dilation though?

>>31037

Does time dilation even exist in Star Trek outside the few times some writer thought it would make for a good excuse for their pseudochronic bullshit?

>>31048

>Heisenberg Compensator

If they've cracked quantum uncertainty, I doubt a little thing like relativity gets in the way very often.

>>31036

I'm not suggesting that they should just build a single huge, orbital, replicator and print ships out in one piece (that would be about as awesome as it was OP, even if it took a few days to print a ship), you'd think that they could make a ship from replicated pieces though and 'assemble' it more than construct it.

>>31048

Considering that FTL in any form is just a type of time travel … not really.

>>31049

If they've cracked relativity and quantum uncertainty then how is there any problem in the universe that stumps them? That's a level of power that can only be described as 'godlike'.

>>31035

>The Romulans had the right idea

So much this, you also get to save a lot of time and hassle with some of the other systems.

>Excuse me subcommander, but have you thought about the problems we've been having with waste disposal and plumbing on our new design of Warbird?

<Just drop the rubbish and the shit into the engine, we can always use more fuel.

>>31058

>>31035

>Literally dump shit into a singularity loo

Could you imagine if they encountered a race of space pajeets? It'd be poo without end!

>>31048

The black hole isn't massive enough to cause any significant time dilation effects. You only need a tiny black hole, just big enough to keep hawking radiation from shrinking it faster than you can dump matter into it. IIRC, you only need like 500,000 metric tons of matter to make the black hole. That's the amount of soybeans china processes into oil every day. It would have a Schwarzchild radius of something like an attometer. That's a like a billionth of a nanometer or something. Tiny tiny black hole. I could google all this, but I don't wanna.

>>31058

>Considering that FTL in any form is just a type of time travel … not really.

In TOS they did time travel pretty much at will. Which raises quite a lot of questions. Starfleet might have regulations against too much fuckery with the time line, but how about everyone else? You'd think every instant would be saturated with First Contact style pre-emptive strikes.

>>31082

>You'd think every instant would be saturated with First Contact style pre-emptive strikes.

Well, ENT did give us the Temporal Cold War. It could be that any such strikes are made impractical due to them being instantly undone by a retaliatory force, or each faction uses time spacemagic to shore up the "critical" moments in their respective timelines with defenses.

>>30954

I've been using this as head canon for the aliens that they were too lazy to glue some plastic to.

>>31125

Damn. That's some genuinely logical plothole-fixing head canon. I'm going to do the same.

>>31125

they all had augment viruses or something

>>30945

Better question is why didn't the Federation put a stop to it?

Also, they just wanted an edgy feminist backstory.

>>30953

That and they aren't concerned about the citizens, they are concerned about anyone who disagree with the Federation's way being successful and happy. So Turkana being a shitpit may have even been done by Federation agents making sure that a breakaway planet didn't provide a decent example for everyone else

Starting to feel like those 40k/Trek crossover fics you got were a lot more canon than we realized.

>>31146

humans in the future don't need extravenos injected steroids, they have adapted to naturally have test levels at about 1,000

>>31150

Explains why Picard started balding when he was 25.

>>31153

Would that mean that this combat unit has embedded sleepers in Star Fleet? I suppose that could make sense on a ship like the Enterprise which seem to get into trouble often enough that it would be worth the hassle to post a few of these 'get shit done' types there permanently, it'd be easier to have them serve 'undercover' as well to preserve the illusion for the normies serving on the ship and keep these units out of the news whenever Enterprise does something significant.

If we assume that Chief was one of those guys then it could help explain why his marriage was so terrifyingly unhappy. Keiko knows that it's all a cover, and that this is an assignment for her rather than a relationship. She also knows that the man she's living with is everything that she was brought up to despise.

>>31162

>embedded sleepers

So Section 31's combat division basically?

>keiko

Except she had a kid with O'Brien so your theory is probably wrong. It could simply be that she is a cunt and O'Brien is just that thirsty.

>>31184

>Except she had a kid with O'Brien so your theory is probably wrong

She could have kids as part of her assignment as his handler. She is asian and they are known to see children as commodities to be sold/eaten.

>>31184

>So Section 31's combat division basically?

No matter how good you are at manipulating things sometimes breaking shit gets things done more effectively/quickly/efficiently. Even the Romulans have a military after all.

>Except she had a kid with O'Brien

The sex could have been either a part of her assignment or something she thought would help him continue his work. Keeping the kid could either have been a way for her to try and keep him functional and trusting her (maybe even give him an emotional attachment that might improve his stability and performance), or because Keiko is opposed to abortion. There's also a chance that Keiko might have just seen it as a way to sell the cover story, or because she just wanted a kid.

>>31188

The Romulans also were capitalists if IIRC.

>>31189

relevance?

>planet wide roaming rape gangs made the rules

This literally happened to Sweden in like 15 years you moron. They were the most technologically advanced and peaceful country in the world with the highest HDI, now they're the rape capital of the WORLD.

You're acting like this can't happen?!!?

>>31224

>now they're the rape capital of the WORLD.

Exaggerating a bit there. They're the rape capital of Europe and no 4 in the global rape stats; it still has a way to go before it overtakes Lesotho, Botswana, and South Africa.

>>31225

Those are still staggering numbers. The fact that the only countries ahead of them are African shitholes, and just a handful of years ago it was one of the most idyllic countries in Europe, should give everyone pause.

>>31226

Not denying that, but getting sloppy with stats is just handing your opponents an easy 'gotcha' moment and puts you on the back foot. Accuracy is always a good idea.

>>31226

Reminder South Africa was the furthest thing from a shithole at its height that Africa has ever seen, and now it's being lumped in with the niggerspawned turd world 'countries' that are listed for the purpose of demonstrating how far Sweden fell. South Africa: originally uninhabited entirely until Europeans brought agricultural techniques capable of utilizing the land, produces people like J.R.R Tolkien, niggers come for pity gibs and now it's regarded as no different from these native African dirtpiles that never did a thing of relevance but be exceptionappy violent. Proof positive that the multicultu lie is exactly that.

>>31224

>You're acting like this can't happen?!!?

not on account of purely economic factors… clobbering Sweden with an EMP would've resulted in less rape

>>31225

>>31228

Actually giving slightly false statistics makes your opponent "correct" you by essentially proving your point and admitting you're right.

>>31224

>>31225

Both of these are completely wrong. Just as an aside. And if you think about it, how would one even define the "rape capital"? It's obvious sensationalist bullshit.

If you'd bother checking rather than just blithely accepting shit someone says on the internet just because it fits your retard political agenda, you would know how absurd it even is. Many countries don't report rapes; many countries don't even have rape as a separate legal term, instead putting it under the banner of general assault; and a country like Sweden with a small population and a robust justice system will catch and prosecute most rapists. Or did you forget that only a fraction of a percent of ANY crimes are prosecuted in third-world countries because the police are so inept? That obviously doesn't mean that those crimes aren't happening. But instead you see a single statistic (excuse me: are told a statistic exists) and accept it as perfect gospel fact. It's a wonderful example of just how fucking stupid and easily manipulable by memes you right-wing types are.

By the way, the oft-quoted rape statistic was actually from 2012. So it's not even recent.

>>31265

>#triggered

>a country like Sweden with a small population and a robust justice system will catch and prosecute most rapists

And yet third world shitholes like Lesotho & Botswana have more recorded rapes. It's almost like your point falls apart the moment anyone starts thinking about it.

>It's a wonderful example of just how fucking stupid and easily manipulable by memes you right-wing types are

<WAAAAAGH! NE1 I DONT LIKE IS LE EBIL RITE WINGAR!!!!!

Don't build your worldview around memes, they won't serve you in the face of reality.

>By the way, the oft-quoted rape statistic was actually from 2012. So it's not even recent.

TRIGGERING INTENSIFIES

>>31265

>no, the statistic isn't wrong, but you are dumb right wingers

>>31265

It's funny how they're willing to accept a statistic in one argument and deny the same statistic in another.

If the argument is about feminism, they correctly note that the reported rate is absurdly high because leftists use batshit "affirmative consent" definitions of rape, apply a de facto guilty-until-proven-innocent standard, and have a general disdain for evidence in favour of emotion, all of which will dramatically inflate the numbers.

But if it's framed as a racial issue, then all that vanishes and the reported stats now accurately describe the rate of genuine rape.

>only a fraction of a percent of ANY crimes are prosecuted in third-world countries because the police are so inept?

Not to mention that even if the police were capable, there's strong cultural disincentive to report it in those countries. The West idolizes people who claim to have been raped. Third world countries shun them or worse.

Most of the "statistics" for brown shitholes are estimates, not actual counts of reports or convictions, and how accurate they are is anyone's guess.

>>31272

>fellow communist and not a samefag

What's bullshit is 'unreported rape' estimates, which, as is no surprise, is the core of your argument.

>>31274

>the argument that the difficulty of estimating unreported rapes make the stats worthless is wrong because the estimates used to make those stats are bullshit

>pointing out that insane and unreasonable leftist policies make the stats worthless means I am a leftist

>>31187

She's also asian and has only got a female child. That's gotta be annoying.

>>30950

>why one of the Federation's colonies was allowed to stay that way for decades?

see modern day Sweden for references

>>31316

This. Inside forces can bring down the mightiest empire.

>>31268

>#triggered

What a remarkable counter-argument. I'm so impressed.

>third world shitholes like Lesotho & Botswana have more recorded rapes

So now you're saying they have more rapes than Sweden. I thought it was the "rape capital"? I think you just accidentally destroyed your own argument through paradox. Top marks!

>>31270

>The recent statistics are even worse

There are no recent statistics.

>>31326

>You know what we really need though? A webm of every time Tasha says "rape gangs".

Some glorious autist please do this.

>>31326

>>31327

>>31328

So, her talking about the rape gangs is all I really remember about Tashayasha. I did some searching through the episode transcripts, and she only mentions them twice.

Once in S01E03 The Naked Now lol naked right before she fucks Data

>Five. Five years old, but I survived. I learned how to stay alive, how to avoid the rape gangs. I was fifteen before I escaped.

Then again is S01E06 Where No One Has Gone Before, when shit gets trippy and she thinks she's back home

>I was, I was. This is crazy. I was at the colony where I grew up, being chased by a rape gang

That's it. Two mentions of rape gangs.

>>31346

>That's it. Two mentions of rape gangs.

I could almost swear that it was every other sentence, like a badly made youtube remix vid. I guess she just had nothing else interesting to say. Then again, telling the guy you're about to fuck that you spent a decade getting worked over by rape gangs (70% of which was while you were prepubescent) has got to kill even a positronic boner. if nothing else desperately trying to figure out whether that means she does or doesn't want you to slap her around during the fuck has got to show on your face.

>>31346

we get one from worf at least

>>31349

Not that I could find. I searched all the season one transcripts for the term "rape."

>>31354

It's in the episode with Tasha's sister, season 4 "Legacy"

>>31346

Sounds like a nice planet for a vacation.

>>31348

>telling the guy you're about to fuck that you spent a decade getting worked over by rape gangs (70% of which was while you were prepubescent) has got to kill even a positronic boner

>while you were prepubescent

This only makes the positronic boner harder.

>>31349

That doesn't really count. The idea is to have a vid of Tashayasha saying it.

>>31356

Tashayasha's sister it hot as fuck, but it doesn't really count.

>>31363

The initiation into the rape gang is getting raped by the gang.

>>31366

Even if that is the case it doesn't shed any light on whether or not Tasha would enjoy being roughed up while she was being fucked or not.

>>31372

If you start doing it, she'll learn to enjoy it.

>>31376

>>31373

You've still got a higher than average odds of weeping during and afterwards. It might bring back the instinct to be quiet and not make a fuss, but there's a decent chance that it might trigger some old instinct that leads her to go for the eyes and balls. There are less crazy lays on Enterprise.

you know usually all gangs are rape gangs, the fact that the gangs devoted themselves exclusively to rape rather than involving themselves in murder and robbery shows how far humanity has evolved. they have risen above violence and greed, they just want to rape.

>>31378

>all gangs are rape gangs

citation needed

>they have risen above violence and greed, they just want to rape

Are you honestly trying to push Fedcuck propaganda ITT?

<we have the best rape gangs

<literally the best in the quadrant

<just ask anyone

>>31377

Maybe if you're a complete autist incapable of empathy.

>>31386

From what I know about gangs, he's right. They like to rape, especially the women of rival gangs. Also many gangs use rape as an initiation. "You wanna be in the gang? Rape a chick and let us watch." I even remember a song about it. This nigger wants to join the local gang, so they're like, "OK, let's go find a rape victim." So they go find some random woman walking down the street at night, throw a bag or whatever over her head, and they all take turns raping her. They just happen to take off the bag while the initiate is raping her, and he realizes he's raping his own mother, who was walking home from work.

>>31387

>Maybe if you're a complete autist incapable of empathy.

You do know where you are, don't you?

>>31327

>>31326

>>31328

>>31346

>>31348

>>31370

As the anon who did the TNG rewatch I can confirm that if I were to do a webm of each time she says rape gangs I would get 2 seconds of footage. It really isn't mentioned despite how much of a meme it is.

>>31407

It's been a while since I watched TNG all the way through, do the rest of the cast talk about it enough to form the impression that she raises the topic a lot? Or is it literally the only interesting thing about Tasha?

>>31394

Yeah, but we're still talking extreme autism. If you could get far enough for her to let you stick your dick in her, you should be able to gauge her response to gradually roughed up sex.

>>31420

It's literally the only interesting thing about her. Even in the episode with her sister and the rape gang planet, they only mention the rape gangs once IIRC. Then again, rape gangs were some edgy shit when this first aired. They were probably worried about taking shit too far.

>>31421

Maybe I'm just a hyperautist then, it's not exactly beyond the realm of possibility.

>It's literally the only interesting thing about her

I vaguely remember her also being a bitch to Riker on the planet of the Misandrists, but it does seem bizarre that they would write a character with that kind of potential (exploring the breakdown of society, the human will to survive, some trenchant observations about how much the Feds/SF actually care about the people they're responsible for, a member of the bridge crew who doesn't deep throat feddie propaganda, etc) and then fail to use it. I guess that's why they killed her off so quickly.

>>31372

Who said anything about rough sex?? I was going more towards role-playing her as a helpless loli about to be raped and then you save her for cuddles and headpats (and maybe sex later if you're slow and gentle). It's of my personal opinion that anyone who has sex like that is a complete asshole and loser who is forced to resort to violence to get what he wants because he's otherwise so worthless than his woman would leave him if she wasn't afraid.

>>31422

>Bunch of niggers go steal meat from lions armed with nothing more than pointy sticks

>Meanwhile nearly all white men would never dare take on even a single lion without a high-powered rifle and a jeep

I'm not sure what point you were trying to make with that embed, but I think you failed.

>>31481

The point is that niggers are thieves no matter what situation they are in. The lions are so honorable they can't comprehend something so low and pathetic stealing from them.

>>31422

>Rape gangs already exist, they are called niggers.

Those are just regular gangs that engage in rape among their many other crimes, they're not dedicated specifically to rape

>>31386

>Fedcuck propaganda

Where's the proof that these so-called "rape gangs" even existed? We have only Tasha's word afaik. Maybe she made it up. Maybe they were trying to cure her lesbianism but lacked the proper medical facilities and therefore had to resort to corrective rape. There's two sides to every story you know.

>>31509

>lacked the proper medical facilities and therefore had to resort to corrective rape

Tasha probably thought every thug on her homeworld was too beta for her since alpha/beta is a relative measure. So she decided being a lesbian was the way to go.

>>31509

>Where's the proof that these so-called "rape gangs" even existed?

The population of Turkana might have been experiencing late stage feminism. 100% of Turkanan men were spineless, self hating, castrati, orbiters who couldn't summon up the courage to talk to any of the screaming political lesbians they fantasised about. Turkanan men spent most of their lives feverishly wanking a sore into their dicks over the last woman who had screamed at them, and feeling bad that they hadn't gotten her explicit and ongoing verbal consent at every stage of the process. The reason the Potemkin was refused landing clearance was that there was a male officer visible on the view-screen when they made contact, the Turkanan matriarchy saw that the Federation was trying to import toxic masculinity to their planet they had heard the rumours of weaponised rapists called 'Kirk' and 'Riker' and thought that opening fire would be too brutish a response to this flagrant act of aggression from the Federation.

>>31513

This makes too much sense.

>>31513

/strek/ lore is best lore.

>>31528

>>31514

Always remember that the Federation makes more sense when you assume it's a horrific dystopia.

>>31528

>>31514

Checks out with Tasha's dialog from Naked Now. How does a young girl go about avoiding "rape gangs"? Easy: stay sober enough to legally give consent. And why would she mention "rape gangs" when she's trying to flirt with Data? She's trying to reassure him that she's not really drunk enough for it to be rape. (Naturally, she changes her mind after sobering up and feeling ashamed of herself, and shoots him a veiled threat to press charges if he opens his mouth).

>>31553

>shoots him a veiled threat to press charges if he opens his mouth

And if she's the one to blab and screams rape, we have an interesting court case in which Data tries to appeal the decision in Measure of a Man and tries to re-classify himself as a machine to prove that he didn't rape Tasha at all, and she's in fact a mentally unstable woman that personified a sex toy.

>>31555

>Feminist claiming that her dildo raped her

Do you remember when that would have been a ridiculous idea that nobody could take seriously?

Back on topic though, how much info do we have about Data's programming? From what I remember of that trial they never seem to prove 'free will', Picard demonstrates self awareness and intelligence (and arguably self preservation) but not actual self determination. As free will is necessary for Data to be responsible for his actions (as opposed to Soong) and thus a criminal they could make him legally immune to prosecution without challenging the decision the court reached in Measure of a Man.

>>31490

>lions

>honorable

You keep barking up the wrong tree, kid. Are you SURE you want to identify with lions as a macho archetype? They're lazy greedy assholes that fuck around while the females do all the hunting, and have frequent gay sex with their brothers.

>>31562

>Do you remember when that would have been a ridiculous idea that nobody could take seriously?

yeah, it was too long ago.

>>31756

lions are literally the niggers of the big cats, be honest.

The Jews happened.

A Solid Friend just forwarded correspondence. I'm going Insane right now. She said the HOLY-SPIRIT will be sealing all portals and gateways used, Frying all Stars Inside. Its Happening already. Message Everyone in your contact list As Soon as possible and across all social media. Insta, Snap, WhatsApp, etc.

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it's not a utopia. it's just something they say so they can feel like it's justified to screw outsider over.

>>31153

> For all the talk you hear about the Fed/Cardie war, no one seems to have been a veteran of it

Remember, the only stun setting Disruptors have is hitting someone upside the head with it.

i realised you were retarded as soon as you bread and circus

>>31779

>retarded

>bread and circus

>in a star trek forum

Do you even think before typing these things?

>>31780

Hey boss, you are talking at a bot.

>>31774

>>31779

>>31770

These are obvious botposts.

>>31778

Did you seriously just forget/gloss over Chief in a thread on /strek/?

>>31785

I'd love to reply to that, but my shoulder injury is preventing me from typing anymore.

>>30945

That's just the end result of multiculturalism. They shouldn't have let niggers and muslims into space if they didn't want space rapists.

>>31019

I liked the direction that Harlan Ellison wanted to take for the episode he wrote.

>>31788

Well, in Islam, it's illegal for Muslims to go to space so we never have to worry about them following us out if we have to leave Earth.

>>31771

> But Dostoevsky arguing that people would willingly throw themselves into risk and harms way and take a different path than some prescribed utopia if it meant they would be free instead of slaves to some system like the Federation, no matter how idyllic it is.

It's not even about slavery vs freedom. Humans hate both wanting things and having everything they want. But more so it is the boredom of contentment that is more intolerable than the pain of want. See vid for reference. Humans were not built for utopia, they were built to meet and overcome challenges in an eternal striving for perfection. But once we get everything we want, we just don't know what to do with ourselves.

>>31795

>Humans hate both wanting things and having everything they want.

except what humans want changes over time all the time, on a personal and a societal level. just compare it to 100 years ago, or 500 years.

fuck just look at the last 10 years and look how people got more retarded in their "wants", which means theoretically they can also advance to a less retarded position. in the end depends how idealistic/naive you are, and star trek has been pretty idealistic for the most part.

>But once we get everything we want, we just don't know what to do with ourselves.

a holodeck and replicator might give you endless options to satisfy your "wants", but once that's done, what comes next? I mean just look at neets. some shut down and just sit on the couch all they, others spend time and energy on stuff they find interesting and sth "they want to do".

you might have everything you want (known or unknown), the bigger question is how much satisfaction do you get out of it? where's the challenge?

>>30948

Agree, but the leftist writing staff on this show don't view utopias in the same way normal people do. We understand the bread and circuses aspect of society falling, but a leftist thinks that "goodness" is inherent to one's political leaning rather than a temporary thing dependent on material satisfaction. In other words, you can have a utopia as long as it's made of the right people. The left will only ever show a utopia dissolve if it can teach a lesson from it: "see, your society failed because you were racist" etc.

>>31800

Agreed, but there are other factors to "goodness". People can and do adopt ideological beliefs/commitments that will negatively influence their behaviour beyond wealth and comfort. People may be (at least) less likely to adopt those ideologies in a certain bracket of wealth but they still do, and if it has a decent chance of happening in a city size population then it's almost guaranteed to happen to a reasonably large chunk of a planets population even with sufficient resources to keep everyone comfortable - unless whoever is running that planet is going out of their way to discourage those ideologies, and even that's not a guarantee.

>>31771

You imply that any society is created by the many through some kind of bizarre groupthink, which is completely absurd. Hell, if humans form a colony on Mars sometime in the next fifty years, chances are that it'll be almost entirely because of Elon Musk. Most of the time, it just takes a firm kick in the ass to get most people to change for the better. They won't do it on their own.

But also, you're ignoring the biggest reality which is: there is no single unified human "society", there never has been, and there likely never will be. You can say that we're all "living in the 21st century", but we're not. There are billions of people in some countries that (aside from inane shit like cellphones) have no greater technology than existed a hundred years ago; they don't have electricity or running water or distributed food or basic healthcare. There are millions more still living as subsistence farmers. Hell, there are probably many thousands of people in isolated tribes of New Guinea and Brazilian rainforests that are still living as hunter-gatherers, the same as their ancestors have for a million years.

My point is, if a "utopia" ever arrives, you'd be a goddamn retard to believe it's going to affect everyone equally. If biological immortality, FTL travel, and other sci-fi technologies are invented, you can expect the super-rich to scoop it up, wave goodbye to this polluted and depleted shithole of a planet and all of us, and go fuck off to another galaxy to become literal Gods.

>>31804

>Elon Musk.

Can you shut the fuck up about that celeb.

>>31799

>except what humans want changes over time all the time

Exactly what is pointed out in the vid.

>holodeck, replicator, clumsy analogy to neets etc.

None of those things equate to truly fulfilling someones wants. Neets and holodecks in particular simply cope with being unable to get what they want by distracting themselves with fantasy.

But back to my main point the human condition is built on always having something to strive towards. That could be learning new things in the sciences, fixing up your house, finding a spouse, writing a book, eating the last of an endangered species, etc. If you had no other wants than eat, sleep, and continue to live you would quickly find the need to want something else because the human appetite for "things to do" is boundless. Hence why if you put someone in the most boring environment imaginable they quickly lose their mind and seek out even the most depraved novelties.

>>31804

>technology is everything, people aren't united by shared myths, culture, language, memes, and history.

How very western of you. There is more to life than who has the most and best trinkets.

it's a tv show made for mass consumption

the blartsparg is malfunctioning

warp 20 it

>>31822

Except for the original Enterprise. Warp 9.9 is the best you can get.

>>31804

>You imply that any society is created by the many through some kind of bizarre groupthink,

What do you think memes are? Ideas that propagate like a virus if people didn't think similarly then they wouldn't propogate. They're likened to a society's genes for a reason.

>>31836

>Angry at Riker calling him a tribble

>Using some kind of overbuilt double-dildo gun to stimulate his prostate

>Not just stuffing 2-3 tribbles up inside him and waiting for them to give birth.

What was his intention here?

>>31823

warp 30 yor brane gang raper

>>31841

>What was his intention here?

fag stuff

>>31808

>celeb

>This guy built a company that has singlehandedly restarted the space race and introduced capitalism to the Final Frontier

What are you so afraid of?

>>31832

>What do you think memes are?

Meaningless. Memes never created anything except stupid internet videos that stick around for a year or two at most, and then are immediately forgotten.

>>31866

>pretending as if that's the kind of meme anyone is talking about

Nice try. Now why don't you get the fuck back to /a/ where you belong?

>>32002

<pretending as if that's the kind of meme anyone is talking about

It's the kind of meme >>31832 was talking about, he quoted the definition almost verbatim. So yes, it is indeed the kind of meme anyone was talking about.

>>31856

Memes were great when they were the accidental byproduct of people posting and creating. Now people set out to create memes and theyre shit.

>>32009

It still doesn't work that way. Humanity didn't sit down together to devise democracy, electricity, or the internet. A person or a small group invented it. Sometimes it happened several times in multiple different places. But the point is 99.99999999% of people do nothing of note and have zero effect on the world writ large. Whether those number are retarded or not, "evil" or not, makes absolutely no difference because those few will still do what they do.

You would think, of all places, an imageboard is where people would realize that they are a meaningless, faceless cockroach.

>>31836

What is this even meant to be?

>>30948

>Because any civilised society is only able to maintain itself as long as the population gets its bread and circuses

how many civilized societies have you seen so far?

real life is better than star trek in every single way except starship design appearance-wise which is actually saying a lot. there should be exceptions however

>>32607

What sort of ivory tower do you live in?

>>32607

>real life is better than star trek in every single way except starship design appearance-wise which is actually saying a lot

Actual spacecraft have to actually work. Fictional space craft just have to look cool, especially in soft sci-fi where it's all about the rule of cool.

>>32652

The difference is I'm not looking at pictures from the future. I'm looking at fiction. You're just handwaiving shit away with tech that is speculative at best, and some of which we now know to not even be possible.

>>31248

post more Rhodesia kino

>>30945

>>30948

It doesn't matter, human or not. when shit hits the fan, the fan is hit by shiiiiiiit

>>31481

>>Bunch of niggers go steal meat from lions armed with nothing more than pointy sticks

>>Meanwhile nearly all white men would never dare take on even a single lion without a high-powered rifle and a jeep

In this case I'm gonna hang out with the niggers

>>32696

>>32702

If they are reliant on own means for survival rather than gibz they aren't niggers.

>>32706

>their behaviour is purely the result of (((socio-economic status)))

This is how I can tell you have no personal experience with them.

>>32706

>stealing from lions

>not gibz

Meaning why did her planet turn into Sweden?

Ironically, Sweden was an enlightened utopia 30 years ago too.

>>32654

No, actually you're just wielding "it's fiction!" like a hammer at this point assuming that if you scream it loud enough it makes all your arguments valid. The entire history of human science is remarked by people being entirely sure about something, and then being proven completely fucking wrong. Why would you be such a complete narcissist as to assume that the generation YOU live in would be the exception, and that all of modern physics, THIS TIME FOR SURE, is correct?

So like, I just read that whole infographic about rape (actually, I just read this entire inane thread) and I think it's pretty amazing how little the person who made that infographic actually knows about female anatomy, tbh.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with a few things in that image but if a vagina is not aroused then rape hurts a woman. arousal makes the vagina wet and loose so that it can accommodate a cock, therefore women can be raped just as much as men can. Furthermore so can children of either gender.

the tone of this image is one of a psychopathic incel in my opinion and I'm a 38yo male who has fucked 10 women and raped none of them.

>>31387

The song you are thinking of is "Immortal Technique - Dance with the Devil"

>>32739

No. You're a fucking retard that can't even remember what the topic is. I'll say it again.

>Actual spacecraft have to actually work. Fictional space craft just have to look cool, especially in soft sci-fi where it's all about the rule of cool.

It's fiction. It's soft sci-fi. Actual science if an afterthought. It doesn't matter what current spaceships actually look like, or what actual future spaceships will look like. All they need to do is be aesthetically pleasing. I could make a ship that looks like a cock. Not just a little bit, I mean exactly. I can explain it by saying that it's just a coincidence. The balls are just the most efficient arrangement for the fluidic antinutrino coils. The wrinkles on the ball sack are to minimize subspace field distortions from the Kreutzfeld-Jakob force dampener, and the bulbous head is to shield the bridge from polyonic bow waves generated during the activation of the jump drive. I almost forgot. The "flesh tone" is just the natural color of the high energy photon blocking paint.

See how that works? Maybe in 400 years the starships will look like giant veiny cocks, or maybe they won't, but don't act like the shit I just made up is some kind of legitimate science that we just haven't figured out yet.

TL;DR, I'll stop wielding it like a hammer when you stop claiming your glass figurines are invincible.

>>31019

More important, almost all of ST:TOS was either just crude rewrites / genre flips of basic stories or sermons intended to 'inspire' the viewer. None of that works unless the people in the future are still basically humans.

Showing a superior society that works for evolved supermen would clearly not be applicable to us flawed and weak humans, so not aspirational enough. Would be great Science Fiction, but bad propaganda. We can all see which argument won.

>>31021

It is also obvious that the period leading up to ST:TNG was a long stretch of peace because otherwise there is no way the Federation would have been stupid enough to build a Galaxy Class starship. They had to have had such a long period of low danger that they actually thought it was a sound idea to build a flagship with most of the space devoted to carrying around women and children, holodecks and other obviously non military and non scientific equipment.

Obviously their design rules changed again after Wolf 359.

>>32746

>I'm a 38yo male who has fucked 10 women and raped none of them.

Normalniggers need to leave.

>>31021

>Does that still make sense in an economy with replicators where 'complex resources' and even entire manufactured, high tech, products can be summoned from thin air? We know that there are a few things that cannot be replicated, but the majority of resources/products can be.

Replicators are probably just part of the propaganda: they're actually just teleporters and Federation starships and facilities have huge stocks of components (basic ingredients for food like pre-cooked meat and sauces) they can combine on the fly while teleporting the result in. That's why plenty of people have 'only real cooked food' autism and why you rarely if ever see other factions using them. Also explains the massive amount of cargo space in Federation ship design. Picard, as a Captain, is one of the few allowed to know about this conspiracy which he gives away subconsciously by how he orders his tea: tea (baseline ingredient for all tea varieties), earl grey (flavouring), hot (short for hot water). I imagine some sort of basic tea-concentrate, earl grey flavouring and then a ton of hot water being pushed into it similar to how coffee machines tend to work. It'd be highly space efficient assuming you were picking up water as you go.

So if you ordered, say, a beef stir fry it'd just teleport in cooked beef, cooked vegetables and a rapid-heated sauce. Assume the ingredients are in some sort of super-deep freeze at all times. However as everyone is indoctrinated from a young age into the Federation's belief system they're entirely used to every meal of a certain type tasting almost identical and enjoy the smug self satisfaction that comes with looking down on ''backwards' food autists like Sisko's dad.

>>31023

>Not having enough land was kind of my point though. Unless they were happy to turn the entire surface of Earth into something out of Judge Dredds Mega City 1 they would either need to crack down on reproduction like some kind of Sci Fi China, or start a few thousand new terraforming projects that would be able to take a few hundred thousand citizens out of Earths cities in a decade or so.

Actually you'd be surprised how much spare room there is on earth even now. You could comfortably fit the entire world's current population in Europe with plenty to spare particularly if you had advanced building techniques for building upwards. This is only helped by having little-no need for roads and little concern over the distance between shops etc (very fast travel, no need for most people to travel to work etc).

>>32757

>>31023

Do note though that I'm assuming you're instantaneously transporting food in, not dedicating much space to anything but living, education and entertainment etc. Things also get easier once you can used advanced technology to live in places we'd currently consider inhospitable and literal telelportation to remove things like waste. Assuming you by into the fact replicators exist and work it's also significantly easier. Power generation becomes the only real logistical issue.

>>32746

how do you make it to the age of 38 and not know that a woman getting aroused during sex is totally involuntarily, and is probably way more of a mechanism to prevent her vagina from being injured during a brutal rape instead of something that signals consent and enjoyment? you do understand that women who have been brutally raped report the experience producing the most intense orgasms of their lives, yes?

>>30948

> If you read up on modern sociological studies

Or you could read up on the replication crisis / why sociology is absolute bullshit

>>30945

Because Star Trek is badly written Jewish horseshit.

>>32762

So in reality Tasha Yar's colony planet infested with rape gangs was an advanced federation colony not a degenerated one, only Tasha and the Federation weren't on their level. They were on the cusp of evolving into pure energy beings via embracing the intense orgasms of brutal rape.

>>32771

Once the orgasm is embraced it ceases to be rape, and the orgasms diminish in intensity.

>>32771

>>32772

Clearly they did not understand that rape is how they said hello!

"you do understand that women who have been brutally raped report the experience producing the most intense orgasms of their lives, yes?"

Source???

Also…I'm really curious when a dude has accepted a belief system in his head that justifies rape, does this guy not have a mother that he loves? Has he never been close to a women, does he not have any sisters or female cousins?

8Chan is certainly giving me a true insight into how sick the world truly is.

>>32783

>>32780

>>>/reddit/

and you are trying to force me to go back to reddit how, strong language? Nigga please.

>>32773

>So how did Voyager's replicators work?

They rationed them officially due to a lack of power but unofficially due to a lack of supplies.

>>32786

>>>/oven/

>>32807

Send them to the Vulcans first.