/strek/ - Star Trek

>>29297

Because they rightfully realised anime is shit.

If there is a Mirror and a Swoleverse, does that mean there is an animeverse?

>>29301

>tfw no Andorian waifu

>>29316

>antenna-lock headpats

I'm glad I can still find things I didn't know I wanted.

>>29316

I wonder if that artist did anymore?

>>29316

>Is this bait to get me to dump Glee-San?

Go on then.

>>29318

Didn't that artist have to change that character due to copyright reasons?

>>29297

anime is counter to a developed society, which is why almost all is degenerate, and why it creates and enhances autism

Klingon opera is the superior form of entertainment.

>>29466

Do we have a thread for it?

>>29467

we had one a while back

Anime was wiped out in the eugenics wars

>>29514

Dark eldar spy pretending to be vulcan?

>>29515

Dark Eldar aren't Chaos worshippers.

>>29512

What if the Cardassians start producing anime considering that Cardassia was essentially nuked?

>>29514

Jew Jew Trek.

>>29522

Klingons are the Jap analogue, and Qo'nos got nuked after its moon got destroyed. What the Federation calls Klingon Operas are actually AMVs.

>>29558

>Implying they weren't making anime before Praxis

>>29297

Isn't part of the point of the anime art style that it's stylized to be simpler, making it comparatively inexpensive to draw repeatedly? Why bother with that when:

1) Glorious Space Communism has rendered questions of expense meaningless (except when it doesnt)

2) You can get the computer to design, render, and grant a personality to your ideal waifu with just a few spoken sentences, no skill required?

I mean, there are cringey over-the-top wish-fulfillment holodeck programs: Barclay lives in them.

>>29608

>Isn't part of the point of the anime art style that it's stylized to be simpler

That's partially true for modern animu, but up until the 90s or so Chinese cartoons were known for having hyper-detailed line art and shading.

>>29608

>2) You can get the computer to design, render, and grant a personality to your ideal waifu with just a few spoken sentences, no skill required?

Wouldn't technically the holodeck be anime?

>>29652

To clarify, the really high-detail stuff was only common during the 80s, as this corresponded to Japan's economic boom. They could do high quality animation because they simply had loads of capital to throw at it.

In the 90s anime started to simplify its general look and became more heavily reliant on still-frames, and this was a direct result of Japan's economic stagnation and recession at the time.

>>29685

I do not understand this?

>>29685

Looks more like Bill Murray than Shatner

>>29504

>Terminator Data

I kind of want a show about this.

>>29511

Vulcans really are stuck up bitches who need their asses spanked raw followed by a good assfuck.

>>29568

did we ever find out who made this?

They don't have any chinese cartoons in the future because faggotry got eradicated by then.

You can't have gay stuff without the gay virus.

>>29854

Are you implying everyone in Star Trek is straight?

>>29983

Well, it's perfectly plausible that in a future like that of Star Trek that someone have found a cure for homosexuality. If I not mistaken there is a gay character in STD but that doesn't count because STD isn't real Star Trek.

>>29298

>Basically it's just short sighted because they assume that nothing made today might end up being labeled a classic a hundred years later

not nothing, just no anime

>why doesn't it have anime in it

Because anime didn't become a worldwide cultural phenomenon until the 90's and later, and during that time period Trek-Earth was dealing with some other shit.

A better question is: how come there isn't an actual anime version of Star Trek yet?

>>30079

>A better question is: how come there isn't an actual anime version of Star Trek yet?

There was oddly enough attempts in the early 2000's to get the ball rolling but let's just say what was pitched made STD look like fairly competent fan fiction.

If there was ever a Trek anime it cannot focus on the Federation at all. It would suit Klingons very well where there would be a few episodes focusing on famous battles in Klingon history with over the top gore and violence, narrated by an old Klingon Dahar Master singing in a pub.

>>30084

a plot about what ever caused the klingon/romulain alliance to disolve could be interesting

>>30090

That's what that Klingon Academy game is about.

>>30158

It would still be a waste of potential. The biggest advantage of using an anime style Star Trek is to show things they could never show easily in a live action show.

>>29297

Also why do they always reference 20th century earth culture for things? When there must be thousands of other examples they could use?

>>30233

Because the audience at the time was mostly American.

>>30084

It might be interesting to see a Japanese ship. I know all Federation ships are supposed to be international, but the majority of crewmen we see usually tend to be American, so I'm guessing they do roughly group people according to nationality.

>>30247

A Nippon ship would be a complete autism ship where they just play vidya, watch anime and drift the ship all day.

>>29297

In a more "realistic" and fully developed version of Star Trek's future, entertainment would include so much more than classical music, poetry, and holo-LARPing as an early 20th century gumshoe. This is a problem that is largely Roddenberry's fault, because he was such an autistic idealist that he believed humanity would give up everything uncultured or improper (like >>29298 says) because the idealistic, virtuous for the sake of virtue mentality would have overtaken humanity and most other space faring civilizations. Only that's not the case and they show frequently in many episodes that humanity is not beyond these hobbies.

The other part of the problem is something that has plagued sci-fi and futurist writing for as long as it has existed. Licensing issues aside, a lot of these writers just simply are not as well acquainted with modern culture as they think they are. They barely understand the trends and developments in modern science and technology, but go ahead with making wild predictions about how society will change. And whenever they do try to approach the subject of video games or even just cartoons, they always make asses of themselves by showing that they have no idea how they work or what people like about them.

However, from a writing standpoint, I'd argue that the problem here isn't that Trek writers don't mention anime or vidya or any uncivilized hobby, it's that they go out of their way to painstakingly explain and remove any uncertainty that these things don't exist and aren't enjoyed in the future. They would have been fine if they just left that blank. No one on the Enterprise talks about anime because that's not really relevant to the story and doesn't fit with the overall themes of the show. It's not mentioned because it doesn't need to be. It could still exist in the setting.. but it kind of just doesn't, because Roddenberry's vision for the future is no TV, no games, no activities that aren't noble self-improvement and quantum mathematics… and in that way, it's just another weird wrinkle in the Trek universe that makes it a little more dystopian and awful than intended.

>>30277

I suppose you could also use the weak excuse I've seen used for why every song played on a radio in the Fallout games is from the 60's or earlier when. Namely, that actual vinyl records and paper books were the only formats that survived the various nuclear wars and whole generations worth of pop culture and entertainment were erased by emp effects.

The excuse doesn't work for Fallout since they have a billion holotapes everywhere that clearly survived the war no problem, but you could maybe make it work for Star Trek. Except they also seem to have insanely detailed information on historical figures and culture that would have been obliterated during WWIII with all the anime and rock music…

>>30278

You could assume that Starfleet is nothing like the average Federation citizen. We know from The Doctor's publishing efforts, Jake Sisko's writing, and holosuite programs like Vulcan Love Slave that there's quite a few people consuming contemporary entertainment. Most likely, they just load all the autistes who read exclusively Shakespeare onto a starship and let them sperg out on the ayys instead of bothering everyone back home.

>>30283

Voyager actually may have handled the holodeck more realistically than any other ST series. It wasn't always just historical LARPing, and classic works of fiction. There was Captain Proton, the kid's holodeck entertainment, that Irish pub Janeway liked, the Doctor's golf course, and I think a skydiving program at one point.

>>30283

>Shakespeare autists in space

Really should have been the title of TNG.

>>30278

The first few Fallout games only used old music in the opening cinematics, if I recall correctly. In game, there was no radio playing only 40s music. In Fallout 3, you've got Three Dog's radio station, but there's never an excuse given, like "These were the only records we could find" or whatever. They just continued the trend for no reason through every other game, even though there was a century and a half of history between the 40s and when the bombs dropped.

For a writer, you'd think the chance to reference 400 years of pop culture and entertainment would be really fun for them. They get to make up whatever they want and make their characters say all kinds of wacky shit. It's a free pass and instead of using it, they made the awkward decision to have their characters obsessively focus on things that had little to no popularity of widespread attention in their own time. How fucking boring do you have to be to imagine that in the future all people would ignore anything else made with the latest and greatest technology strictly so they could focus on novel that were written nearly a thousand years in the past. It would be like if all we cared about right now was ancient egyptian theater and writing.

>>30295

To be fair, that 40s music helped set the atmosphere for Fallout. All of the sci-fi and future shit in those games is modeled on the future as it was portrayed in mid-20th century pulp magazines despite the games being made long after that, and it gives them a certain aesthetic. Period music helps amplify that aesthetic. Star Trek doesn't really have this excuse though, it was part public domain being cheap and part Roddenberry's autism regarding plebeian contemporary entertainment. I'm guessing the latter is more responsible, since once you get past TNG you start seeing a lot more non-classics entertainment being shown. I'm still pissed MGM had a bitchfit about the Our Man Bashir episodes, adn kept the writers from producing any more.

>>30296

Like many aspects of the 3D Fallouts, it was done best in New Vegas. Plus some of New Vegas's music was related to older folk songs. Fallout 4 of course did a terrible job, and it felt like half the playlist (much of which copied from a popular mod, at least the parts not lazily duplicated from 3) was just hamfisted DUDE NUKES LMAO, compared to NV in which it all felt 100% at home despite having nothing to do with the apocalypse.

>>30295

It's obviously a budget and effort thing. They'd have to record a lot of new music. It'd be really cool if they did that though.

>>30296

It fits just fine, it was just a poorly developed idea that they fumbled, much like Trek did. Had they made more than a few attempts to create some original contemporary music for their era, the results would have probably been pretty silly, but far more memorable and more likely to resonate with audiences better than classical music and poetry.

>>30298

All it takes is a couple lines of dialog to rationalize it.

>The building we took over to use all this broadcasting equipment used to be an oldies station

or even just

>the only machine we could get working couldn't play the format all the new music was put on, so we're stuck with this ancient stuff

That would fit with Bethesda's general laziness, as they are too fucking incompetent to actually compose and record original music that fit the aesthetic and wasn't just generic ambient orchestral droning.

In both franchises it really wouldn't be much of budget hit to hire people to record new music to fill in the gap. You could hire some crazy experimental electronica guy to slap together something no one has ever heard before if you wanted to do a "the crew throws an after hours dance party" scene for less than the cost of licensing some shitty modern rave shit. And you could find plenty of unemployed big band type people who could produce some retro sounding jazz and swing music that maybe actually expands the lore of the game by including references and themes that actual 40's music couldn't possibly have. Likewise have an episode where someone is playing an holodeck program based on a 2029 political satire written during the prelude to the eugenics war that gives us more background into the earth's history at that time.

I like all the classical music and I like that even alien stuff like klingon opera sounds like classical music, Riker's jazz is as much negro jungle dance music as is necessary

>>29297

Asians were disproportionately killed during the eugenics wars. Otherwise the federation crew would be like 90% Asian. Also matches up with what we've seen of the time period.

>>29298

>I mean, look how much people bitched about a fucking Beastie Boys song being used in Beyond and there the whole point was they were limited to just the music collection of some rando from a hundred years ago. Maybe they'd have preferred if the crew ended up having to transmit a recording of a fucking water polo game, because lord knows that's a much more enduring and relatable character trait for a space ship captain than liking rock music.

Amen. This actually ties back to the whole Shakespeare-in-Star-Trek thing. In his own day, Shakespeare's work was considered (in modern terms) pop-culture melodramatic schlock. What made his schlock stand out above other schlock is that he had, as fans, two successive powerful monarchs. The aristocracy of Elizabethan and Jacobian England had to at least pretend to like Shakespeare's work (and publicly use many many many of the made-up words he coined) in order to do the usual royal court politicking.

This is also why I actually liked Picard being a big fan of both Shakespeare and of trashy pulp detective stories. They're the exact same class of entertainment of their respective days. Maybe 24th century universities have entire literary departments dedicated to pulp detective novels, just like how real-life 21st century universities have departments of Shakespearean studies.

>>30470

Interesting point about Shakespeare you make cause that is exactly what Shakespeare was about. Entertainment. His stories are quite formulaic but in a good way that they can be adapted for any setting which is why if you put it to a current timeline the stories still work. He'd probably be pissed to see how pretentious it has gotten over the years.

Real question is why no shakespeare thread?

>>30509

There's a Klingon thread for that.

>>30470

>Shakespeare was considered melodramatic shlock

Well I don't have the knowledge of contemporary critics' views, I suspect you might be overstating it a little bit. Sure maybe it wasn't considered the pinnacle of high art according to the intelligentsia, but how much "high art" competition could he really have had? Royalty and the nobility are the beginning and the end of the "market" so to speak for playwrights back then (excepting the pittance that might be made at the door of a local theatre from laymen, but even that was at the mercy of the King's willingness to allow it), so if they had a taste for Shakespearian style plays, how could a large body of the intelligentsia's 'better' works ever be produced?

>Shakespeare is the same class of entertainment as crappy pulp novels

I don't like this line of reasoning because although it may seem technically correct, it's not accounting for how the base artistic taste of society has been harshly lowered. Take for example music; not too long ago "middle brow" music would have been Johnny Cash dressed casually, strumming an acoustic and singing about his girlfriends or drinking, but now middle brow would be a shirtless groid rapping about "bix nood muh dick" and murdering his rivals while overfed mulattas gyrate their bare ass. It's not that these things have equal artistic merit, it's that society has just become more degenerated and low class. I fully expect that people will still be talking about Shakespeare in two-hundred years (if perhaps not Cash), but pulp novels are already seen as silly and dated today (much as the popularity of Jamarkus Shaquan L'Oreal's anti-music is lucky to remain popular for more than a few months to a year).

>>30626

Contemporary plays weren't taken seriously as a medium in his lifetime, but Shakespeare was top of that field, and his reputation rose after his death, not just among the aristocracy but among other writers. Also, derp: Shakespeare was also a poet, and poetry actually was taken seriously. This whole discussion sounds sounds like an aside from Professor Judenstein's Introduction to African Literature course.

>Johnny Cash

I like Johnny Cash, honest, but music's been in dire straights since recording artists supplanted composers. Middle-brow music used to be light opera… and apparently they still have Gilbert and Sullivan in the future, so there you go, Feds aren't that snobbish after all.

>>30672

Anymore of that pic?

>>30673

Got bitten by the Konata bug, eh? Can't blame you.

>>30673

>>30675

We need more /cute/ trek around here.

>>30676

We need an anime remake of TNG where all men are swole and all women are cute lolis. Worf, Obrien and Jordy would be female. Wesley would be female too and a cute loveable loli dork. Klingons, Borg, Vulcans, Cardassian and Romulans would be all females. Guinen is a nekogirl.

>>30680

>Worf, Obrien and Jordy would be female

Had me up to that point. O'Brien should just be a dad with at least 7 daughters.

>>30690

We have to thin out the sausage fest but I can give you Obrien. Good thinking with the daughters.

>>30707

Worked out for that one dude beyond the wall in got. You know the guy who only had daughters

>>30717

Incest is the best, faglet.

>>30718

R63 Trek best Trek

>>30716

Nigger, daughters are the worst.

>>30779

Nigger daughters are indeed bad.

>>31305

But that's an easy problem to solve. If you don't fuck niggers, you won't have nigger daughters.

>>29297

we will become the anime by then.

Mental defects have largely been cured so there is no need to show art designed for the mentally defective anymore

>>31344

This makes me wonder if copies of comedian stand-up monologues will be held in regard as the high art of the 21st century, when people read them 400 years from now.

>>31368

I'm sure if you cherry picked through contemporary stand-ups for a few centuries, you'd end up with a sizeable amount of decent material that has enough additional artistic value from being old to be regarded as art.

>>30626

>Sure maybe it wasn't considered the pinnacle of high art according to the intelligentsia, but how much "high art" competition could he really have had?

The guy lived in the renaissance, Miguel de Cervantes the author of Don Quijote and Niccolò Machiavelli author of The Prince lived in the same time frame.

>>31395

I want a version of DS9 where instead of a faux Frank Sinatra hologram they had a George Carlin hologram. Would have made things a lot more interesting.

>>31408

>Don Quijote and The Prince

Both highly overrated. Just because they make you read something in high school doesn't make it good.

>>31482

>Both highly overrated. Just because they make you read something in high school doesn't make it good.

Are you the same dude saying that anime is high art that will achieve immortality

>>31368

As far as pre-shakespeare Tudor society would be concerned the respect and prestige that Shakespeares plays hold today would be about as strange as one of us travelling to the year 2600 and finding a society where well to do, educated, and cultured people were happy to make a point of how they bought tickets to a vid related tribute act. Then you check their academic network and find that several decades worth of their finest artistic and literary experts have spent their lives writing articles about the political relevance of 'The Real Slim Shady' and how it defined, predicted, and influenced everything that happened in the 20th/21st century.

>>31482

>Both highly overrated

The Prince is interesting when you look at it in its context - as a satire of the 'mirrors for princes' genre. It gets funnier when you look at how the phrase 'Machiavellian' is used in modern English. OK, I'll stop wanking now.

>>31482

>I want a version of DS9 where instead of a faux Frank Sinatra hologram they had a George Carlin hologram. Would have made things a lot more interesting.

Hell to the fucking YES. Him and Bill Hicks. They're the goddamn crown princes of stand-up.

And I want to see a renegade emotion-embracing Vulcan with a massively successful stand-up show touring human worlds. I like to think that when a Vulcan shakes off the emotional repression, they go all-in on their love for transgressive jokes. Imagine a pointed-ear Bob Saget. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsCOUZxHPdw

The nukes destroyed Japan and anime was lost.

>>31818

>implying that anime exists only in Japan

You know damn well that Zef Cochrane has an anime figurine collection somewhere in that underground missile complex. Probably sleeps with a daki, too. Just one look at the man and you can tell he's a massive weeb.

>>31857

When they found his lost pod in deep space they discovered a love pillow.

>>31969

No, this is not an act at all. George Carlin and Bill Hicks are personal heroes of mine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwkdGr9JYmE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73hnG_JfJ_k

>>31818

I died laughing when I found out /r/DaystromInstitute considers mere mention of that so horrible as to be worthy of insta-banning.

Okay so you can have epic worldwide war with nuclear warheads getting flung everywhere but suggesting they might have landed in places is offensive. Oh and saying that could have happened is endorsing it they say. These people are going out of their way to confuse is/ought.

Meanwhile they have no issue with thread suggesting augments were all genocided.