b3d95e No.27823 [View All]
Was the Delta Quadrant better or worse off with Janeway passing through?
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88f7cb No.29356
>>29355
I'd like to include Morn to the list of civilized species limited to humans. He adapted to thrive in Quark's bar, his natural environment. I think it's fair enough to include him.
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b42da5 No.29359
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51be25 No.29360
>>28188
I'll take "sci-fi writers have no sense of scale" for $400, Alex. The fact is, Earth is only overcrowded in cities and if you spread everyone out 10 or even 100 billion would be barely noticeable as a difference. If you expanded an urban area as dense as New York (or a similar city) to the size of a small country, you could cram the entire Earth's population in there. For a planet centuries more advanced than Earth is right now, the logical carrying capacity would be in the trillions. So there has to be something else restricting growth in that case, or the writers just wanted straight Earth-analogues without thinking logically.
As for the Baku thing, I'm pretty sure it was spelled out that the Feddies were only there to try to figure out their secret Fountain of Youth thing, and didn't give two shits about the people there other than as specimins for analysis.
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204547 No.29457
>>29360
Covered in previous threads. Reason that Earth population is actually so small is cause they keep deporting "undesirables" to colony worlds such as the Irish.
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d03b58 No.29667
I feel like Voyager produced the worst autism don't ask me what I was looking for when I discovered this
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ae78e2 No.29670
>>29360
You can fit that many people at the expense of wildlife. Earth is overpopulated as it is now.
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d55d54 No.29684
>>29670
Take that Malthusian garbage to /leftypol/.
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bb5f4e No.29687
>>29670
No it isn't you dumb mong. China and India are the only over populated shitholes, the biggest contributors of pollution, and the only ones in need of good purging.
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151dce No.29693
>>29670
Well if we get rid of all the niggers, poos and ant people we'd have plenty of room.
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ba4032 No.29720
>>29687
What about Africa?
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742562 No.29836
>>29667
What were you looking for when you discovered that?
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a491a9 No.29838
>>29720
If it wasn't for a constant stream of first world gibs into the continent, Africa's population would have stabilized at a lower level long ago.
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11883d No.29844
>>29838
So did Star Trek solve the nigger problem by eradicating them?
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7f73cf No.29846
>>29844
Perhaps, ironically enough, they applied the prime directive to the problem and basically blocked off the entire lower half of the continent of Africa so they could finally develop at their own pace without outside interference.
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204547 No.29980
>>29838
>cut off gibz
>apparently they wouldn't ape out
Is this how the eugenics war starts?
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ae0cdc No.29992
>>29980
That would certainly cause the population levels to drop to a sustainable level.
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4646f7 No.29996
>>29992
It'd probably raise the economy to eventually sustain the demands of the population rather than resulting in any kind of permanent population reduction.
Foreign aid seems like altruism but governments and banks aren't fucking altruistic. It's economic warfare.
USAID in particular are into some fucking shady shit. They had out aid and even have AID in the name but it's actually their second job after distributing foreign propaganda and destabilising countries (literally their actual official function, not a conspiracy theory).
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ca406d No.29997
btw the reason all these different states would want to keep Africa economically neutralised dates back to a really influential philosophy from around 1900 called Heartland Theory, which among a bunch of other stuff predicted that any sort of pan-African power or unity is one of the very few things that could ever threaten whoever controls the Eurasian "heartland" (and therefore the world).
I'm not sure I buy it and it's debatable whether modern technology invalidates the theory, but it formed an important basis for geopolitical thinking for the last century.
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a491a9 No.29999
>>29997
If all it took was controlling the Heartland to have such dominance, why didn't the nogs become influential in any of the centuries before Europeans became involved in that region? They had ever opportunity to become a major power if such a thing was feasible for them, but they never did. Nogs are inherently higher in time-preference to whites, meaning they are less able to delay gratification. Whites were able to develop lower time-preference because the harsh winters of Europe required them to learn delayed gratification and save food for the winter or die of starvation. The environment of Africa places no pressure on its inhabitants to develop lower time-preference, and so they didn't. Because they have so little ability to delay gratification, africans simply aren't capable of building advanced societies.
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f0b680 No.30002
>>27823
better most definetly
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245328 No.30003
>>29999
Dipshit, the accuracy of heartland/world island theory is irrelevant.
All that matters is that it was a very influential theory.
But you're also doubly retarded since Egypt was the most powerful hegemony in the world during the Bronze age and were themselves heavily influenced by the Kush kingdoms etc. There's like dozens of other examples, like Abyssinia (the Ethiopian empire) who were kind of a big deal all the way up to the modern era.
I'm just pointing this out because you're an idiot; I don't want to debate the kingdoms of Africa with you because I can already tell it'll be a No True Scotsman shitfest with you and it wasn't the point anyway.
The point is that you didn't even understand what you were replying to–and that under Heartland theory it doesn't matter *who* actually controls Africa so I'm not sure why you're bringing up "the Nogs". I'd remind you that the context for all this is various caliphates/sultinates/whatever and European colonials vying for control of the continent, except "remind" might be the wrong word since you sound like the kind of cross-eyed product of the US education system that doesn't know a lick of world history in the first place.
And btw Africa isn't "the heartland"; that term refers specifically to the core of Eurasia.
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dd7d04 No.30008
>>30003
>Dipshit, the accuracy of heartland/world island theory is irrelevant. All that matters is that it was a very influential theory.
It could be irrelevant to you, but non-Marxists tend to care about whether an idea actually makes sense before discussing its merits. Don't get into a hissy fit because people are talking about things you don't like. But even if I deign to think on your terms, I have no reason to believe that this idea is as influential as you say it is.
>Egypt
And wouldn't you know it, the ancient Egyptian society was centered around agriculture, and the irrigation from the annual flooding of the Nile–just like the Europeans, they were forced to develop a lower time-preference in order to anticipate the future. That's not something that applies to the sub-Saharans, as there was no environmental factor placing such pressure upon them.
>nd that under Heartland theory it doesn't matter *who* actually controls Africa so I'm not sure why you're bringing up "the Nogs".
The theory claims that some unified pan-African power is the only thing that can threaten Europe, yes? If one group is ill-suited to competently achieving this goal, then of course it matters who controls the region. Assuming for the moment that the hypothesis is correct, and a unified Africa would be able to threaten Europe, then whether or not Europeans would take action against Africa would depend on what kind of person populates Africa. If the population of Africa cannot unite beyond the tribal level without devolving to internecine conflict, then there is no threat of a pan-African power forming, ergo no threat to Europe, ergo no need for Europeans to take action. If the population is capable of adopting low time preference behavior, and poses a legitimate threat to someone besides themselves, then matters are different. So yes, of course it matters who controls Africa, you have to be retarded to think otherwise.
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9c2340 No.30146
>>30008
>It could be irrelevant to you, but non-Marxists tend to care about whether an idea actually makes sense before discussing its merits.
Holy shit, you're literally, actually, factually, functionally fucking retarded.
This really shouldn't be confusing and has already been clarified for you but I'll take another shot:
NOBODY IN THIS THREAD WAS DISCUSSING THE MERITS OF HEARTLAND THEORY
It was brought up as a partial explanation for why the West devotes so much energy to the economic assassination of Africa and disputed in the very same post.
It was in influential essay A HUNDRED YEARS AGO. It doesn't matter whether it has any merit. It was INFLUENTIAL.
Pay attention to the big letters because they're important.
> non-Marxists
Also holy fucking loly, anon. Not only are you having imaginary arguments, you brought your own imaginary opponents. Sort yourself the fuck out.
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49c9a6 No.30171
>>30146
>the West devotes so much energy to the economic assassination of Africa
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4609f6 No.30173
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24b144 No.30174
>>30146
Have pity on the sperg. He thinks things he reads on the internet have merit.
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a491a9 No.30175
>>30146
>NOBODY IN THIS THREAD WAS DISCUSSING THE MERITS OF HEARTLAND THEORY
I am, right now. It might surprise you to learn this, but other posters don't need your permission or precedent before they start discussing things. You posted a retarded idea, so I answered explaining why it was retarded. It really makes no difference to me whether you thought this idea had merit or not.
>It was brought up as a partial explanation for why the West devotes so much energy to the economic assassination of Africa and disputed in the very same post.
And you see, this is one of the reasons I took the time to explain why your pet theory is retarded. Your very thesis, that the West performed any kind of "economic assassination" in Africa, is patently flase. Africans committed economic suicide all on their own just fine.
>It was in influential essay A HUNDRED YEARS AGO. It doesn't matter whether it has any merit. It was INFLUENTIAL.
This, too. I mentioned this in my previous post, if you had cared to read, but thanks to your illiteracy I am forced to repeat myself. This shit was never "influential," not a century ago, not ever. It certainly never dominated policy decisions in Western Europe. The only people who call it influential are revisionist commies who seek a post hoc explanation for why Africa is such a shithole, and don't want to consider the notion that it might be because of Africans.
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4609f6 No.30176
>>30175
Stop, you're pathetic.
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328ec6 No.30227
>>30173
>That image
It is interesting how that rings true. Why tax unhealthy things rather than reduce cost of healthy things?
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4298a6 No.30245
Great fucking question I’ve been thinking about that for quite a while
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8886a5 No.30275
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f209e9 No.30371
>>30227
>>That image
>It is interesting
Nah, it's bullshit.
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a24a60 No.32304
>>27864
true. 8472 would probably overreact to the Borg and genocide our galaxy. Voyager probably made them think twice.
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6a5ea8 No.32430
>>27823
>Was the Delta Quadrant better or worse off with Janeway passing through?
Worse. Nothing escapes destruction from female privilege.
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422d6f No.32447
>Roastie given power and no oversight
The thread in which OP asks a leading question to which Anonymous takes the bait and gives him the answer he wants.
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55cbee No.32478
>>28027
>Yeah, but what are they doing??
Terra forming on a galactic scale. Planets influence gravity, not only in their local solar system, but also for their neighboring systems.
It is possible that this could be used by the Borgs to stimulate the growth of life or influence cultures they want to assimilate without being seen.
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51be25 No.32601
>>32478
>assimilate without being seen
You would think it would be piss-easy to assimilate an entire galaxy so long as nano-probes could be easily mass-produced. Just make self-replicating nano-probes and shoot them all over nearby planets. They have simple instructions: if there is life on the planet, assimilate and form new collectives and then connect to the larger one; if there is no life on the planet, consume literally all matter and use it to make more nano-probes which then spread again. Even at sublight speeds, by virtue of exponential growth, they could consume the galaxy in a few million years. What's the Federation going to do? They can send ships to battle a single cube, but can't do a fucking thing against a hundred-trillion microscopic nano-probes flying toward Sol. By the time they even noticed something was wrong, Neptune would have been sucked up and turned into more of them.
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26ce3e No.32751
>>27823
>implying Voyager is fully canon
>implying Janeway had significant personal impact
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558477 No.32753
>>32601
Nanoprobes would be blown away by the solar wind. How do you steer something that small anyway?
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51be25 No.32814
>>32753
Eh, "nano"probes aren't even nano-sized. They're roughly the size of a red blood cell. I suppose "microprobes" just didn't sound as cool.
Anyway, I didn't really think about how they would be propelled. In the bloodstream it's probably via something like cilia or flagella. In space, who the fuck knows. Something, something, transwarp corridors I guess.
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d8b450 No.32821
I still think nanoprobes not being injected via the anus was a missed plot opportunity.
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d55d54 No.32836
>>32753
They don't need to be steered if you're sending out enough of the,. The solar wind is just cheap propulsion. Let them blow out in all directions and conquer the galaxy.
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04e786 No.32858
>>32814
Well in space if the only function was to spread all you'd have to do it make them repell each other and keep dumping them in the same small area (antigravity, magnetism, whatever works).
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a7a379 No.32859
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>32753
By laser light bursts. Haven't you heard of the starshot project yet?
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20a088 No.32894
>>30371
>Thinks he's actually talking about the game
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51be25 No.32941
>>32821
>Enterprise crew is called in to check out a rash of strange infections on a colony world
>Oh shit, they're not infected, they're actually becoming Borg drones and establishing a collective
>Shit gets sorted out before it gets too out of control, and the victims are given medical care to reverse the assimilation and remove their implants and such
>Strangely, this is only happening to women
>An investigation occurs, and it's revealed that all of these women had contact with a high-ranking officer in the Federation, who recently visited that planet
>The crew suspects some subversive plot to assimilate members of colony worlds to get them to fully join the Federation
>A few of the women, now de-Borgified, regain consciousness and eventually reveal that they had "relations" with the man
>Turns out that the guy was somehow exposed to Borg nanoprobes, which lay dormant in his system for some reason, only to "adapt" by becoming a literal STD and infecting anyone he had sex with
>The crew suspect that the true Patient Zero was Seven of Nine, but keep it to themselves…
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a09783 No.32955
>>32941
I wonder what starfleet officer could so promiscuous as to infect half the quadrant. He would have to have an insatiable sex drive, debilitating addiction forcing him to fuck almost any species no matter how hideous..
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20a088 No.32963
>>32955 (check'd)
Is that supposed to be Next Generation Kirk?
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f75e15 No.33022
>>32955
Time for another pussy snorkling contest?
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1b962f No.33023
>>33022
Dukat will just win again
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