/strek/ - Star Trek

She fucked up some shit for sure.

I just finished the series and I think probably she did more bad tho vs than good things, but the bad things will probably stay in the delta quadrant. The existential threats like the both and 8472 were pretty well buttoned up. Overall I will call it a draw.

>>27849

>threats like 8472

if she'd never come to the delta quadrant the the Borg would have presumably lost the war to them. I think that would have been a better overall outcome.

>>27863

Granted that would have been nice, but as I u understand it 8472's greater mission was to sterilize the entire galaxy. Invasion plans for at least half the galaxy were revealed and if get they would t stop at the alpha quadrant.

>>27864

>any of that bad

8472 vs the Dominion would be kewl

>>27865

Dominion would get their shit pushed in hard.

>>27866

the virgin shapshifter vs the chad apex lifeform

>>27866

Unlike the retarded zombie-like Borg, the Dominion is actually cunning and innovative. If a fucking standard computer program on a mediocre Starfleet vessel can find out the weakspot (the holographic doctor), the Dominion can as well, for sure.

Although it would be funny to see a Vorta being sent to negotiate with species 8472 and being killed immediately.

delta quadrant is basically wiped clean by the borg multiple times, only species like vidiians, hirogen and kazon (most numerous species) survived by being nomadic.

think about it, alpha quadrant is full of megastates - romulans, klingons, cardassians, federation, even ferengi.

what is the equivalent in the delta quadrant?

>>27895

The guys who were obsessed with Telepaths looked like they held quite an empire. They almost appeared to be a rip-off of the Galactic Empire from SW.

Interesting point about the overrepresentation of nomadic species in the Delta Quadrant though. You might be on-spot here.

>>27884

I could only imagine a Vorta being bred to "service" the 8472 and some fapfiction being wrote about it.

>>27895

That's untrue. There's quite a few megastates out there.

Krenim Imperium is one.

Vidiians were not that Nomadic actually.

Haakonian Order

Kazon are also not nomadic.

Voth are retarded and I wish they would be retconned out of existence

Turei.

Hierarchy is another

Devore Imperium

There's a few others I am forgetting but sure there's more out there.

Also The Borg themselves.

>>27912

Good post

>>27865

It would be wouldn't it

>>27884

>Unlike the retarded zombie-like Borg, the Dominion is actually cunning and innovative.

This seems mostly like a meme. The Dominion only has one place to innovate and it's in doing crazy attacks.

>computer on a federation ship

Cast member on the show. Pretty much plot armor.

>>27988

Yeah but they have obvious limitations. The biochem corpus of the federation is demonstrably far in advance of theirs, since the feddies developed the plague and antidote and they couldn't. I don't think they could figure out how to fight Species 8472 before they obliterated them.

>>27904

Devore? Both they and the Haakonians had a dozen or so planets in half a dozen or less systems… that's Gorn or Breen sized political entities. Just because they call themselves "Imperium" or "Order" doesn't mean they're a large stable entity, the reason why they're so bent over backwards about control is because they're vulnerable.

>>27912

>>27986

>all the nomadic species which were shown to be nomadic aren't nomadic because i say so

>also look at these single planet political entities that call themselves "imperium"

Clever retort.

The Krenim were only powerful due to retconning time to make themselves all powerful, when the time ship was destroyed they returned to having only a few planets. Watch the first episode with them in it again.

Most of the other species so far mentioned are actually nomadic:

1. Kazon - claim large area of space, move around in it in search of resources, frequently go out on raids, most people living on ships

2. Vidiians - spend their time traveling and raiding for organs to graft so they can survive their hoooorible phaaaage, most people living on ships

3. Voth - claim large area of space, move around in it as explorers and in search of their history, most people living on large city ships

4. Hierarchy - claim large area of space, move around in it in search of loot, basically a weird pirate culture

5. Turei - claim large area of space, mostly protect it, occasionally go out on raids, most people living on ships, and of course the people they stole it from….

6. proto-Cardassians - claim large area of space, occasionally go out on raids to expand their empire…. the only real empire that only existed because borg were weak

7. Borg - claim large area of space, move around in it in search of species to assimilate, occasionally go out on raids for the same, most people living on ships

8. Hirogen - claim large area of space, move around in it in search of prey to hunt, occasionally go out on raids, most people living on ships

9. Malon - claim large area of space, move around in it in search of trashcans no one ever accused voyager of making sense

>>27996

I don't believe the Borg are mostly spaceborne. They do settle planets and don't leave them.

>>27987

The Dominion's actual power is inconsistently written. Sometimes they seem far ahead in technology compared to the Feds, some other time equal or even inferior.

>>27989

Section 31 was wayyyy too powerful considering their limited resources.

>>27997

I've always asked myself what the Borg do on planets. Production facilities? Are they just … "living" there?

>>27904

It was small enough that Voyager could cross it in a single day, while keeping the telepaths inside the transporter pattern buffer, wasn't it? And while authoritarian, a lot of those place you name aren't all that large; they aren't like the Federation or the Klingon Empire, where it takes multiple weeks to get from one end to the other.

>>27998

>Section 31 was wayyyy too powerful considering their limited resources.

I always lose track of how powerful S31 actually is in the show, as anon-canon states that S31 is basically the only reason the Federation is still around in spite of the consistently retarded policy decisions that they make.

>>27999

You could make an argument that the entire admiralty of Starfleet are members of or work with Section 31 (and Picard's constant passing over for a promotion is likely due to his perceived horror at learning of the organization).

>>27998

I think the Borg would use planets for what other civilizations use them for. Having an atmosphere and gravity is probably handy for some fabrication tasks, and for resource extraction.

>>27997

They have trillions of drones about four "planets", although their planets are basically just large sphere ships. All other times we see them on planets on TV or in novels is when they're in the process of assimilating them, after which they leave, or in the process of mining them, after which they leave.

>>28003

In First Contact the Borg have been on earth for centuries and have a massive presence there. Picard states they assimilate 'worlds', implying they don't take the people and leave.

>>28009

>implying they don't take the people and leave

They literally beam the concrete and metals up and take it all with them, when they leave everything is taken. Season 1 episode 26

https://gorillavid.in/dek288l7dmjg

>>28020

First Contact shows they settle planets, unless you're claiming they scooped up the whole earth.

>>28020

FC shows a potential Earth future in which the earth is populated by billions of Borg. Why would they still be there if Earth had already been assimilated in the 21st century?

>>28020

>Season 1 episode 26

>implying that Rottenberry was making sense on the cliffhanger of season 1 TNG

>>28024

Yeah, but what are they doing?? I mean, considering the nano probes, they can probably entertain production facilities with not much humanoid input, they would need a few thousand drones for supervision but that's it. Maybe there is more to the "cultural" life of the Borg than we know. I fucking hated that they made Unimatrix Zero a thing the Queen wanted destroyed, because the epitome of "perfected" existence would basically being plugged into a Matrix and live forever.

>>28026

That was initially the insect aliens and not the Borg, too.

>>27996

Nigger did you even watch Voyager at all?

Krenim were powerful before they used the time weapon. Once they destroyed it everything went back to before it was released and they had a large area of space that Voyager ended up having to do a circle round as it was contested with another Empire.

The rest of what you said is retarded and clearly you never paid attention to the show.

>>27823

who gives a shit. america.

>>28070

It had been three centuries and they were still on earth. Stop pretending they had no planets.

>>28123

It also begs the question of what exactly is "Borg Space", and why do the Borg stay within it if they're nomadic and have no use for planets.

>>28105

Re-watch the episode, idiot, it is CLEAR the krenim are bullshitting. To have as many systems as they claim, they'd have to be the ONLY power in an entire fucking quadrant.

>>28123

So? Three centuries might not be enough to fully assimilate earth or get all the resources out of it. Or they might not have their next target.

You basically just said "but mongols came into a fortress once and slept there"

>>28124

Nomads doesn't mean they never visit the same place twice. They have roaming grounds and territories they defend.

WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH /STREK/ LATELY?!!?

>>28137

>So? Three centuries might not be enough to fully assimilate earth or get all the resources out of it.

If they're just assimilating it, why is the population of drones much higher than either the total crew of the cube or the population of Earth in the 21st century? And why would it take 300 years for the Borg to assimilate a planet? They managed to scoop whole colonies out of planets in what, a day? Certainly so fast that no one caught them in the act, and they were gone well after the investigation team got there.

>They have roaming grounds and territories they defend.

But again, if there's nothing in the territory to defend, why bother defending it? For any nomad culture, there needs to be some reason they stay in the same overall territory even if they roam within it. The Hirogen stayed in one region because there was prey within it, and they could come back to old haunts once they recovered. Same with nomads on Earth, they were generally following sources of food around. Borg Space is empty save for the Borg, if they don't have assimilated worlds there it doesn't make sense for them to stay put. Why not set out in convoys of ~5 cubes and make your way around the galaxy, assimilating planets as you come across them? If there are no assimilated worlds in Borg space, and there are no worlds that can still be assimilated in Borg space, there's no need to remain.

Also, I'm going to be a cheeky fuck and quote Memory Alpha:

>Borg space referred to the vast Delta Quadrant territory controlled by the Borg. It included thousands of solar systems, all Borg. (VOY: "Scorpion")

>>28143

>>28124

i think it can be simply defined as space under the borg's control, which for the borg would mean assimilated planets, as for what they would do on a planet after it is assimilated, perhaps mining and stripping for materials, until the planet is a husk? the concept of 5 cubes roaming as self sustaining individual sects makes alot of sense.

>>28137

You're a faggot. Show me where the Borg are described as nomads. We know they settle worlds for multiple centuries. You're screaming like a retard "THEY'RE MONGOLS! MONGOLS NEVER STAYED PUT IN A FORTRESS REEEE!" Which is a bizarre and stupid non sequitor. You know the Mongols had cities right, you retard? Are you going to claim they were farming Samarkand and planning to leave it?

You fucking retard.

>WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH /STREK/ LATELY?!!?

(You)

>>28141

Reminder taken freond.

>>28143

Maybe because earth is one of the most densely populated planets in that arm of the galaxy? There were nine billion fucking drones and one billion humans left to assimilate.

Also as the borg made clear LONG ago, they didn't care about humans from the standard "they're high tech so we must assimilate" idea. The borg cared about humans because humans specifically were a threat to borg in some way, therefore total extermination makes more sense.

tl;dr In reality the example of staying on earth to run down every human is an exception, not the rule.

>there needs to be some reason

No there doesn't…. But in the case of the Borg it is because of the transwarp tunnels. You don't know your lore.

>Also, I'm going to be a cheeky fuck and quote Memory Alpha:

Thus proving my point? Thanks mate.

>>28145

Wow so butthurt at being proved inferior by such a stellar individual as myself. My mental powers crushed your pathetic brain like the worm that you are. How does it feel? I have to ask because I've never felt defeat.

>>28175

>one billion humans left to assimilate

I don't recall this being said in FC, would you be able to provide proof?

>Maybe because earth is one of the most densely populated planets in that arm of the galaxy?

This is a fact that you're pulling out of your ass, we know nothing about the relative populations of other worlds. Considering FC takes place just a few years after the devastation of WWIII, we have good reason to believe Earth is less populated than its more prosperous neighbors, not more.

>The borg cared about humans because humans specifically were a threat to borg in some way, therefore total extermination makes more sense.

Then why are they still on Earth at all after three centuries and why haven't they just glassed the planet to prevent future resistance.

>But in the case of the Borg it is because of the transwarp tunnels.

Except we've already seen that transwarp conduits* and transwarp hubs exist in large quantities outside of Borg-controlled space.

>>28175

>Durrrrrr hurr hurr

Stay assmad retard.

>>27884

>Although it would be funny to see a Vorta being sent to negotiate with species 8472 and being killed immediately

I think we just found a job for every future iteration of the Weyoun line.

>>28176

Earth during that period had ten billion inhabitants, I just subtracted the stated number of drones. I suppose they could have killed a billion, but even a few thousand humans have the genetic variety to recover the entire species. Or maybe they did kill every human, and were sticking around for some other reason, it doesn't fucking matter nor does it have to be explained away.

The fact that they aren't culturally attached to any planetary body, the fact they live in space and that unimatrix one is their home is canon.

>This is a fact that you're pulling out of your ass

Jesus name one time a mission to some planet didn't have the captain saying "there's five million people down there goddamn it!" Or some other ridiculous number, in one of the movies the Baku had like a few thousand people populating an entire planet and the Federation actually took them seriously as a species.

Other densely populated planets are:

- Cardassia Prime, which had about two billion people (800 million died in dominion war, which was once said to be "almost half the planet").

- Q'onos had about 3.84 billion.

- Vulcan had 4.9 billion.

Only Ferenginar is more populous, since their entire fucking population is on one planet it's almost 80 billion…. but it's on the perseus arm of the galaxy.

>Then why are they still on Earth at all after three centuries and why haven't they just glassed the planet to prevent future resistance.

For the same reason why they kept trying to assimilate the fucking 8472 when it was clear the borg were going to get wiped out. If a single borg drone succeeded in assimilating an 8472 by some weird chance or dumb luck, maybe 8472 individual was sick or whatever… even if every borg drone died to get to that single assimilation, even the drone that did it, the assimilation would have been worth it.

>>28177

LOOK UPON HIS WEAKNESS AND LAUGH

>>28188

>Earth during that period had ten billion inhabitants

Where did you get that information?

>Or maybe they did kill every human, and were sticking around for some other reason,

Yeah, and one of those other reasons could well be "The Borg assimilate worlds and hold onto them." This is in fact the interpretation that makes the most sense, because we aren't explicitly given another reason, and if not given another reason, the default assumption is that there are nine billion drones on Earth because they're living on Earth. If the drones were just harvesting resources, why isn't there any dialogue about them harvesting resources and planning to leave afterwards? Or why not show an empty husk of a planet with no life on it whatsoever, with dialogue explaining that the Borg stripped Earth clean and left? But we don't see these things, we se nine billion drones on a planet. And the non-autistes in the audience, when shown nine billion drones on a planet, that have been there for three centuries, will make the very natural assumption that the drones live there. You are inferring explanations that are not present or implied in the script, therefore you are writing the script for the writers, therefore you are not basing your argument off of canon, but on your own personal fanfiction. And if your argument is based on your own personal fanfiction then it isn't an argument.

>The fact that they aren't culturally attached to any planetary body

They're described as having "assimilated worlds" multiple times in VOY. Why describe the size of Borg space in terms of number of worlds if they don't hold worlds?

>the fact they live in space

Then why do they stay in one place? They have no reason to congregate in a single location if they have no planets to defend, and there's no reason for the unicomplexes to be static either, as you can stick warp engines on anything and everything.

>For the same reason why they kept trying to assimilate the fucking 8472 when it was clear the borg were going to get wiped out.

A) You're changing your argument. In your last post you said they just wanted to exterminate the humans, in this post you're saying they still want to assimilate them. Pick one and stick with it.

B) This line of reasoning makes no sense as they've already assimilated billions of humans. Even without the nine billion they have already, they have quite a varied selection of humans from the survivors of Wolf 359, in addition to the Enterprise crewmembers they had assimilated previously. So again, if they've already done all the assimilating they need, and if the remaining humans are such a major potential threat, why are they sticking around instead of glassing the planet?

The Borg hold worlds because they need places to hold drones. Drones don't have to always be going somewhere doing something. They are part of the collective. Even drones doing nothing on a planet are contributing their minds to the collective, and live and experience through the collective.

There are several civilization using the equivalent of brainwashed MK1 EMHs as menial workers, and you can't really argue that this is bad for those civilizations since it's free labor.

>>28188

>Only Ferenginar is more populous, since their entire fucking population is on one planet it's almost 80 billion

Must be a big planet.

>>29122

For you

>>28190

well not exactly, a single drone is just one neuron in a vast brain, which to my understanding was royally fucked up at the end of voyager by the virus which destroyed their ability to form networks.

>>29139

Amazed how few people pick up on this.

Janeway basically saved the Borg from destruction. Yay.

>>29348

I felt a better ending would have been Janeway taking over the Borg and even the Borg thinking she was a crazy freak who needed put down.

>>27823

The Delta quadrant was already shit, Janeway was only passing through. Humans are the only civilized species in the Galaxy!

>>28188

I'll take "sci-fi writers have no sense of scale" for $400, Alex. The fact is, Earth is only overcrowded in cities and if you spread everyone out 10 or even 100 billion would be barely noticeable as a difference. If you expanded an urban area as dense as New York (or a similar city) to the size of a small country, you could cram the entire Earth's population in there. For a planet centuries more advanced than Earth is right now, the logical carrying capacity would be in the trillions. So there has to be something else restricting growth in that case, or the writers just wanted straight Earth-analogues without thinking logically.

As for the Baku thing, I'm pretty sure it was spelled out that the Feddies were only there to try to figure out their secret Fountain of Youth thing, and didn't give two shits about the people there other than as specimins for analysis.

>>29360

Covered in previous threads. Reason that Earth population is actually so small is cause they keep deporting "undesirables" to colony worlds such as the Irish.

>>29360

You can fit that many people at the expense of wildlife. Earth is overpopulated as it is now.

>>29670

Well if we get rid of all the niggers, poos and ant people we'd have plenty of room.

>>29687

What about Africa?

>>29667

What were you looking for when you discovered that?

>>29838

So did Star Trek solve the nigger problem by eradicating them?

>>29844

Perhaps, ironically enough, they applied the prime directive to the problem and basically blocked off the entire lower half of the continent of Africa so they could finally develop at their own pace without outside interference.

>>29838

>cut off gibz

>apparently they wouldn't ape out

Is this how the eugenics war starts?

>>29980

That would certainly cause the population levels to drop to a sustainable level.

btw the reason all these different states would want to keep Africa economically neutralised dates back to a really influential philosophy from around 1900 called Heartland Theory, which among a bunch of other stuff predicted that any sort of pan-African power or unity is one of the very few things that could ever threaten whoever controls the Eurasian "heartland" (and therefore the world).

I'm not sure I buy it and it's debatable whether modern technology invalidates the theory, but it formed an important basis for geopolitical thinking for the last century.

>>29997

If all it took was controlling the Heartland to have such dominance, why didn't the nogs become influential in any of the centuries before Europeans became involved in that region? They had ever opportunity to become a major power if such a thing was feasible for them, but they never did. Nogs are inherently higher in time-preference to whites, meaning they are less able to delay gratification. Whites were able to develop lower time-preference because the harsh winters of Europe required them to learn delayed gratification and save food for the winter or die of starvation. The environment of Africa places no pressure on its inhabitants to develop lower time-preference, and so they didn't. Because they have so little ability to delay gratification, africans simply aren't capable of building advanced societies.

>>27823

better most definetly

>>30003

>Dipshit, the accuracy of heartland/world island theory is irrelevant. All that matters is that it was a very influential theory.

It could be irrelevant to you, but non-Marxists tend to care about whether an idea actually makes sense before discussing its merits. Don't get into a hissy fit because people are talking about things you don't like. But even if I deign to think on your terms, I have no reason to believe that this idea is as influential as you say it is.

>Egypt

And wouldn't you know it, the ancient Egyptian society was centered around agriculture, and the irrigation from the annual flooding of the Nile–just like the Europeans, they were forced to develop a lower time-preference in order to anticipate the future. That's not something that applies to the sub-Saharans, as there was no environmental factor placing such pressure upon them.

>nd that under Heartland theory it doesn't matter *who* actually controls Africa so I'm not sure why you're bringing up "the Nogs".

The theory claims that some unified pan-African power is the only thing that can threaten Europe, yes? If one group is ill-suited to competently achieving this goal, then of course it matters who controls the region. Assuming for the moment that the hypothesis is correct, and a unified Africa would be able to threaten Europe, then whether or not Europeans would take action against Africa would depend on what kind of person populates Africa. If the population of Africa cannot unite beyond the tribal level without devolving to internecine conflict, then there is no threat of a pan-African power forming, ergo no threat to Europe, ergo no need for Europeans to take action. If the population is capable of adopting low time preference behavior, and poses a legitimate threat to someone besides themselves, then matters are different. So yes, of course it matters who controls Africa, you have to be retarded to think otherwise.

>>30008

>It could be irrelevant to you, but non-Marxists tend to care about whether an idea actually makes sense before discussing its merits.

Holy shit, you're literally, actually, factually, functionally fucking retarded.

This really shouldn't be confusing and has already been clarified for you but I'll take another shot:

NOBODY IN THIS THREAD WAS DISCUSSING THE MERITS OF HEARTLAND THEORY

It was brought up as a partial explanation for why the West devotes so much energy to the economic assassination of Africa and disputed in the very same post.

It was in influential essay A HUNDRED YEARS AGO. It doesn't matter whether it has any merit. It was INFLUENTIAL.

Pay attention to the big letters because they're important.

> non-Marxists

Also holy fucking loly, anon. Not only are you having imaginary arguments, you brought your own imaginary opponents. Sort yourself the fuck out.

>>30146

Have pity on the sperg. He thinks things he reads on the internet have merit.

>>30146

>NOBODY IN THIS THREAD WAS DISCUSSING THE MERITS OF HEARTLAND THEORY

I am, right now. It might surprise you to learn this, but other posters don't need your permission or precedent before they start discussing things. You posted a retarded idea, so I answered explaining why it was retarded. It really makes no difference to me whether you thought this idea had merit or not.

>It was brought up as a partial explanation for why the West devotes so much energy to the economic assassination of Africa and disputed in the very same post.

And you see, this is one of the reasons I took the time to explain why your pet theory is retarded. Your very thesis, that the West performed any kind of "economic assassination" in Africa, is patently flase. Africans committed economic suicide all on their own just fine.

>It was in influential essay A HUNDRED YEARS AGO. It doesn't matter whether it has any merit. It was INFLUENTIAL.

This, too. I mentioned this in my previous post, if you had cared to read, but thanks to your illiteracy I am forced to repeat myself. This shit was never "influential," not a century ago, not ever. It certainly never dominated policy decisions in Western Europe. The only people who call it influential are revisionist commies who seek a post hoc explanation for why Africa is such a shithole, and don't want to consider the notion that it might be because of Africans.

>>30175

Stop, you're pathetic.

>>30173

>That image

It is interesting how that rings true. Why tax unhealthy things rather than reduce cost of healthy things?

Great fucking question I’ve been thinking about that for quite a while

>>30245

Nani?

>>27864

true. 8472 would probably overreact to the Borg and genocide our galaxy. Voyager probably made them think twice.

>>27823

>Was the Delta Quadrant better or worse off with Janeway passing through?

Worse. Nothing escapes destruction from female privilege.

>Roastie given power and no oversight

The thread in which OP asks a leading question to which Anonymous takes the bait and gives him the answer he wants.

>>32478

>assimilate without being seen

You would think it would be piss-easy to assimilate an entire galaxy so long as nano-probes could be easily mass-produced. Just make self-replicating nano-probes and shoot them all over nearby planets. They have simple instructions: if there is life on the planet, assimilate and form new collectives and then connect to the larger one; if there is no life on the planet, consume literally all matter and use it to make more nano-probes which then spread again. Even at sublight speeds, by virtue of exponential growth, they could consume the galaxy in a few million years. What's the Federation going to do? They can send ships to battle a single cube, but can't do a fucking thing against a hundred-trillion microscopic nano-probes flying toward Sol. By the time they even noticed something was wrong, Neptune would have been sucked up and turned into more of them.

>>27823

>implying Voyager is fully canon

>implying Janeway had significant personal impact

>>32601

Nanoprobes would be blown away by the solar wind. How do you steer something that small anyway?

I still think nanoprobes not being injected via the anus was a missed plot opportunity.

>>32753

They don't need to be steered if you're sending out enough of the,. The solar wind is just cheap propulsion. Let them blow out in all directions and conquer the galaxy.

>>32814

Well in space if the only function was to spread all you'd have to do it make them repell each other and keep dumping them in the same small area (antigravity, magnetism, whatever works).

>>32753

By laser light bursts. Haven't you heard of the starshot project yet?

>>30371

>Thinks he's actually talking about the game

>>32821

>Enterprise crew is called in to check out a rash of strange infections on a colony world

>Oh shit, they're not infected, they're actually becoming Borg drones and establishing a collective

>Shit gets sorted out before it gets too out of control, and the victims are given medical care to reverse the assimilation and remove their implants and such

>Strangely, this is only happening to women

>An investigation occurs, and it's revealed that all of these women had contact with a high-ranking officer in the Federation, who recently visited that planet

>The crew suspects some subversive plot to assimilate members of colony worlds to get them to fully join the Federation

>A few of the women, now de-Borgified, regain consciousness and eventually reveal that they had "relations" with the man

>Turns out that the guy was somehow exposed to Borg nanoprobes, which lay dormant in his system for some reason, only to "adapt" by becoming a literal STD and infecting anyone he had sex with

>The crew suspect that the true Patient Zero was Seven of Nine, but keep it to themselves…

>>32955 (check'd)

Is that supposed to be Next Generation Kirk?

>>32955

Time for another pussy snorkling contest?

>>33022

Dukat will just win again