/strek/ - Star Trek

>>25046

>Avery Brooks is a horrible acto

I really enjoyed DS:9, but I can't quite find it in me to disagree with you there.

>>25047

so very true. especially when he got into 'angry black captianz' mode

>>25046

The main cast of DS9, excluding Quark and the the old TNG members, was fucking terrible and had some of the worst interactions with each other. Every other Trek series has had a much stronger main cast - even Voyager, which I hate. That said, the secondary cast was incredible and any episode that doesn't feature them is a mistake.

You know, I always thought the timegap between TOS and TNG was a little too long. Has anyone ever talked about shortening it?

>>25047

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>>25046

Are you guys serious? You can barely even tell the rest of the cast is acting, compared to Avery Brooks.

>>25046

>Avery Brooks is a horrible actor

DS9 is my favorite Trek show and I agree, I think it's because he's a stage actor so he tends to overact.

>>25054

Sisko has his moments, but he's the least interesting and engaging character in the show. When he gets to be all shouty and righteous, he can really sell it, but otherwise, anything that wouldn't fit with a Shakespearean monologue makes him look like crap.

>>25046

>While there are certainly good monologs, dual exchanges in ST always feel awkward and awfully infantile. It's like every character is constantly in exposition mode and the audience is never required to pick up on clues.

Given how autistic some Trekkies (and I use that intentionally) are, they probably could get subtext unless gave them a fucking dialogue map.

>Let's be honest, besides very fee exceptions like "The Visitor" most of the non-story episodes of DS9 are a snoozefest and filler.

There's other ones like Duet and such obviously, but DS9 on the whole is a bit dull except in a few areas.

>despite being a boring movie, ST:TMP was the most Trekish movie

Agreed.

>there is never going to be another "real" Trek series, ever. DS9 and even VOY despite its flaws were the last ones

I wouldn't go that far but it'll be a good half century before the ship's righted at this rate. I do agree with you that the fans shouldn't run the asylum either.

>post-First Contact uniforms are the best ones. DS9 would be way more enjoyable from the beginning if Avery Brooks shaved his head and got that uniform from the beginning.

The second part of the your statement is correct, but TMP uniforms are best.

>Also, Avery Brooks is a horrible actor.

He's very hammy, but is that worse than being boring? Keep in mind how dry DS9 is otherwise.

>despite being left-liberal in tone, there are plenty of episodes that are quite American with neoconservative undertones

Very much so. The Hunted for example is more or less a direct shot across the bow at leftists treatment of current and ex-Western military personnel…which in large part in my opinion is part of the reason certain sections of the Trek community shit so hard on it, even though it's perfectly watchable (unlike a lot of TNG up until that point).

>>25046

>quite American with neoconservative undertones.

If you still haven't learned that neocons are leftists by another name you're far too young to be frequenting an image board.

My list of observations

1. Voyager was watchable until Seven of Nine popped on board. Not that she ruined it at all by herself, around that time episodes just seemed to become more and more "throw shit against the wall and see of it sticks" than it had been. Prime example is The Rock appearing to beat the crap out of people.

2. TNG Season One was actually comparatively decent, when measured up against TNG Season Two.

3. First Contact was hot garbage, there are no good TNG movies and they should have stopped at Undiscovered Country.

>>25059

Seven-of-Nine was fine but the Borg Queen was a mistake

If the premise of The Undiscovered Country was "what if the wall went down in space", then clearly the Romulans should've been in there as there was never a neutral zone between in Federation and the Klingons in TOS.

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>>25060

Interesting to see these takes about Brooks. I always thought his speech patterns and overacting are better for the stage than for the camera (especially in a close up), whether or not he really is a bad actor might be open for debate, but even if he is, it's correct to say that he just fits into the role nicely and especially later on, when the writers learned to actually do things with the characters, they were able to write beautifully for Brooks, episodes like For The Uniform were practically made for him. Similar with Shatner, while not being the greatest actor, he fits the part as Kirk and also as Danny Crane later on. This is actually true for most Star Trek actors, they fit their roles in often even iconic ways but are chronically unsuccessful outside the genre, with exceptions like Stewart or Alexander Siddig, who made it into Kingdom of Heavens, Da Vinci's Demons, Game of Thrones, etc.

I actually just realized that with the exception of Bakula all Star Trek captains came primarily from the stage.

>>25052

Fucking this. It's not really an unpopular opinion tho. The long time gap was pure autism on Roddenberry's part, I mean, they knew they would HAVE TO bring back some of the old guard, so now they have to introduce all the bullshit like Scotty being caught in a transporter buffer etc. - and it's also not like the technology took a huge leap either. Replicators and Holodecks were really the only new inventions (and both could have easily already existed in Kirk's time, we just never hear about it - and if I remember correctly, they never talk about these things being new in TNG). Even the weapon systems stayed exactly the same.

>>25058

Oh Ferengi poster, is there a rule of acquisition about bait I don't know about?

>>25065

First Contact was a good action movie, but it sucked as a ST movie. Riker, Geordi and Troy are basically taken out of all the action, and this is completely unecessary. You only need one guy, preferably Geordi to get involved with Cochrane, the rest should dive into the Borg action. I bet the actors must be frustrated to have that part while Worf especially gets his most epic lines ever.

And yeah, everybody hates the Borg Queen for a reason. I mean, there /could/ be an interesting bee queen concept, but they just went with a generic Hollywood villan who acts all mysterious but is in the end really just the basic bitch leader of the Borg - which ruins the entire concept. I don't get why Seven gets hate tho. They didn't do the best things with the character and focused too hard on her fuckability, but one can not deny that the VOY cast improved a lot once Seven joined. IMO, season 4 & 5 are the best seasons of Voyager. Season 4, I would even dare saying, is consistently good.

Oh and one last thing I think as technically being a TNG movie, ST: Generations is a bit underrated. It's a cool Sci-Fi adventure with a good pace. I don't get why people dislike it so much. It didn't try hard like the other TNG movies, it just tried to be entertaining which seemed like a good recipe.

The only thing about Generations that bothers me is that Kirk looks already so much like a bloated alcoholic.

>>25065

>2nd best after WoK is what you meant. What's holding them back is what holds back pretty much every TNG and later uniform: they lack belts and the boots are not bloused.

Theoretical best uniforms are post-FC uniforms with the belts and shit from Yesterday's Enterprise, that's how I kitted out my STO character back when I played.

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>>25066 (checked)

>timeskip

I was just avin a giggle over that one autist who harped on about this a while back, but if that's how you swing that's fine I suppose. Don't particularly care one way or the other myself.

Incidentally, how is neocons being DINOs bait? Thought that was common knowledge by this point.

>Oh and one last thing I think as technically being a TNG movie, ST: Generations is a bit underrated. It's a cool Sci-Fi adventure with a good pace. I don't get why people dislike it so much. It didn't try hard like the other TNG movies, it just tried to be entertaining which seemed like a good recipe.

I think the problem with Generations isn't so much that it's bad, but that plot-wise it was just a higher budget TNG two-parter. It didn't really realize the potential of the big screen the way the TOS-era movies did–TMP suffered from this problem as well.

I liked Generations and First Contact. Nemesis and Insurrection are the shitshows. I'm not sure which one I hate more. I used to say Nemesis, but I rewatched Insurrection a couple days ago and now I'm not sure. Insurrection has waaaaaay too much comic relief. Sometimes I felt like I was watching a bad trek comedy.

Love for Sisko always seemed like people overcompensating because he was black. I thought he was okay but forgettable. DS9 is basically the same.

>>25066

>First Contact was a good action movie, but it sucked as a ST movie. Riker, Geordi and Troy are basically taken out of all the action, and this is completely unecessary.

Frakes directed which is why he isn’t in a lot of scenes.

>>25075

> Shatner's ego may have consumed the entire show….

>implying that's a bad thing

Verbal sparring between Kirk and Picard would have been the shit to watch. Can you imagine a monologue-off between the two? If Kirk was an admiral it would have been an interesting subversion, too, because he would have been the seat-of-his-pants maverick, while Picard is the by-the-book autist (whereas usually the dynamic is the other way around).

>>25075

Rozdower…

>>25078

The fat girl looks like she's packing barbeque sauce in her holster.

Here's an actual unpolular opinion: Picard is the worst captain from a command point of view. Out of all the captains, Picard is the one I'd least like to serve under.

>>25090

agreed. I'd also like to add to that that Sisko is the best

>>25090

>Picard is the worst captain from a command point of view.

Picard, or Riker barking out for him, would have raised the shields when the Reliant didn't respond to hails. Kick and Spock almost got the entire shipped killed for not following established fleet protocols. In reality they should have both been court-martialed and booted from Starfleet, if Spock lived in the end.

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>>25095

Each of them has their strengths and weaknesses. Kirk is an explorer and improviser, Picard is a by-the-book guy and diplomat, Sisko is a military commander and Janeway… well, I guess Janeway showed talent to make a good crew out of a rag tag mix of Starfleet, Delta Quadrant guys and Marquis.

Actually I think I would have preferred to serve under Picard. It might be the most boring, but also has the highest chance for me to end up alive by the end of the mission.

>>25095

Honestly I don't give a shit about that too much. The battle of the Mutara Sector is the best space battle of all time, and if it requires to make Kirk forget Star Fleet protocol for it to go down like this, I gladly swallow that pill. It's one of the few scenes where logical inconsistencies can be ignored because of the end product.

>>25046

I only ever played the ST games, never seen a series but I believe that gives me an appreciation for ST and I can see how Jar-Jar screwed it up with his movies and lens-flare.

>>25105

>TAS is infinitely better than TOS

Just recently started, only two episodes in, but I agree, was really surprised by the Trekkiness of it all, was expecting a kid's show, but it's anything but… so far.

>>25062

Except there was. The Organian-imposed treaty created the Klingon Neutral Zone.

>>25105

>TAS > TOS

Maybe.

>>25078

who's the fat chick?

>>25170

your mom

>>25097

Janeway had nothing to do with making her crew "good".

In fact she sowed discord and contempt between both factions of her crew through the entire show, often abandoning her own post and showing weakness in front of them in the form of being an overly demanding hypocrite who can't follow her own rules as she punished people harshly for doing things she would of done herself and HAS done herself when put in their position.

You're not wrong about picard though, least deaths by any captain.

>>25194

>In fact she sowed discord and contempt between both factions of her crew through the entire show, often abandoning her own post and showing weakness in front of them in the form of being an overly demanding hypocrite who can't follow her own rules as she punished people harshly for doing things she would of done herself and HAS done herself when put in their position.

every woman in a leadership position throughout history

>>25046

- TNG is 90% filler, you don't realise this until you sit down and rewatch it. The great episodes are amazing but the bulk of it is forgettable and that's a worse crime than Voyager often being unwatchably bad.

- Enterprise S1 and the first few episodes of S2 are for the most part competent Trek, beating out the average early season of TNG or any given season of VOY for average quality.

- The Temporal Cold War plotline is actually not a bad concept if you go in with the knowledge the mysterious future man is Archer trying to fix his mistake and remove the Federation

- Ezri was better than Jadzia by dint of not being such a mary sue or a slut and by being played by an actually competent actress.

- ST III is a fine film and was as good as we could have hoped for given that it had to retcon Spock's death for marketability reasons. The whole even-odd rule is a meme and not a very good one.

- Shatner isn't a bad actor just very much of his time. Kirk wouldn't be believable played by anyone more subtle.

- TNG's writers let Picard get away with things far too easily: compared to Kirk and Sisko either side of him he more often gets to escape a situation with a dramatic speech, bit of fancy negotiation or technobabble solution which has no consequences.

- Cardassian Kira is more attractive than Bajoran Kira.

>- Also, Avery Brooks is a horrible actor.

Not sure I'd go as far as horrible but yes he's not great.

>>25059

>3. First Contact was hot garbage, there are no good TNG movies and they should have stopped at Undiscovered Country.

First Contact is a watchable and enjoyable film in its own right i.e. if you pretend it isn't Trek but a terrible Trek film. It is useful for 'converting' reluctant newfags though. Also the nigress is too involved in the plot for no good reason other than diversity points.

>>25090

Janeway is worse but yes, Picard has a habit of picking the most childish 'good' option in any given situation with author fiat resulting in it still working out. He's the type of retard to put his entire ship in danger to rescue one crewmember to avoid the moral responsibility of making the correct choice.

I find Lwaxana Troi an amusing, and entertaining character. Episodes featuring her making someone squirm have a kind of schaudenfraude appeal to me.

>>25263

I thought she was decent gilf materiel <tng> as well a fun and surprisingly deep character

>>25263

>>25268

Just rewatched the episode of TNG where she's trying to prevent some Ayy scientist from having his 'resolution' basically Logan's Run but at 50 rather than 30. The way she was acting in that episode had me wishing that Q would appear out of nowhere to throw her into the nearest sun or something equally permanent. I'm not sure if it's the actress or the character, but something about her just pisses me off to the nth degree. When she starts her 'holder of the sacred whojamawhatsits' speech I just grit my teeth and hope that one day they make an episode with the character getting punched repeatedly in the face

>>25269

Agreed, preachy shit like that isn't endearing. In those episodes where her purpose is to make Picard/Odo uncomfortable, however, it's another matter.

>>25270

You're a better man than me if you can forgive her for so little comic relief.

>>25271

There's a good reason I posted this in the "unpopular opinions" thread.

>>25263

Dark Page is a good episode… season 7 TNG is better than it's usually given credit for, even the absolutely retarded episodes are well executed

>>25274

Your opinion is correct. Lwaxana Troi is supposed to be annoying. That's the entire purpose of Lwaxana Troi.

>>25269

Fuck you that was a good episode.

>>25263

She was a lot better in DS9 than in TNG to be fair, though I can't watch that episode where she steals her husband's child nowadays without seeing the early SJW tendancies in it.

>>25260

>TNG is 90% filler, you don't realise this until you sit down and rewatch it.

Agreed. TNG is a hit or miss.

>Enterprise S1 and the first few episodes of S2 are for the most part competent Trek

Interesting opinion and I agree. I never understood why people think S3 are S4 were good. The Xindi storyline was boring as shit. The best thing about them was to see Weyoun as an angry Andorian. S1 and S2 have good episodes like Terra Nova or Resurrection.

>The Temporal Cold War plotline is actually not a bad concept if you go in with the knowledge the mysterious future man is Archer trying to fix his mistake and remove the Federation

I never liked it because time travel being such a beaten concept already. We didn't actually get to see the factions and tech from the 29th century besides the Spherebuilders.

>Ezri was better than Jadzia by dint of not being such a mary sue or a slut

Ezri had integrity, Jadzia was a slut, correct take.

>ST III is a fine film

It's great popcorn kino, no idea why people dislike it, it's amazing and offers everything you want from Trek on the big screen. And yeah, Spock was a marketing gag so just turn off the movie once Kruge is dead.

>TNG's writers let Picard get away with things far too easily

tbh, aside from the Borg (and he botched that one) he was up against way less threatening opponents than Sisko or Kirk (oh, look at this menacing sneaky ambassador!). In the TNG movies, he does a lot of more badassery, too bad the movies were bad.

>Cardassian Kira is more attractive than Bajoran Kira.

One word: Jawline. Kira has no jawline and the Cardassian make up gave her that.

>>25294

>>25311

By Weyoun I meant Shran, of course.

>>25294

>>25311

One reason I like S3 of ENT I actually didn't mind the series as a whole, but I can understand why some people hate it is that it's a glimpse of what Voyager done right could have been. The ship gets progressively more scarred as time goes on, the crew need to wheel and deal to get supplies they need, and the situation is rightly portrayed as desperate–they even resort to stealing at one point to get a warp coil. When they lose blueshirts it's not just swept under the rug, but serves to add the tension, I believe even Reed points out that their attrition rate is beyond what most militaries would consider acceptable losses.

>>25046

Enterprise would have ended up the best Star Trek series if it got 7 seasons and led into a couple of direct to dvd movies about the Earth Romulan War.

>>25311

>In part there's received wisdom that all the odd-numbered films are bad, something that started out as a bit of a joke and is now considered accurate.

What about Nemesis then - it's number 10 and everyone seems to hate it. Personally I think it was an average movie with excellent philosophical value, the idea that a clone/twin could turn out so vastly different because of upbringing is really fascinating. I think it really opens up the nature/nurture debate. It's interesting to think how alternative versions of yourself could turn out.

>>25407

>What about Nemesis then - it's number 10 and everyone seems to hate it.

Attempts to fix it by counting Galaxy Quest I think?

>Personally I think it was an average movie with excellent philosophical value, the idea that a clone/twin could turn out so vastly different because of upbringing is really fascinating. I think it really opens up the nature/nurture debate. It's interesting to think how alternative versions of yourself could turn out.

It's a good concept but the execution lacks yes. Reminder this screentest was better than the final film.

>>25413

Why doesn't he wear the mask?

>>25586

>commie garbage

True mostly of TNG, VOY and some parts of ENT. TOS and DS9 are about as far from commie read collectivist which applies to a lot more ideologies than just communism as you can get

>>25931

>DS9

>far from commie

it's as jewish as a show could get

>>25948

For a Cardassian Flag LARPer you sure have not swallow the Gul Pill.

>>25983

they made it into space communism vs space fascism with space jews caught up inbetween

>>25263

>I find Lwaxana Troi an amusing, and entertaining character. Episodes featuring her making someone squirm have a kind of schaudenfraude appeal to me.

If nothing else, she provided one of the funniest moments in TNG: Picard peeking around a corner at the start of "Half a Life"

>>25294

>hot Cardassian kira

Jawline fixed

Eye ridges accent Nina's doe eyes better.

Hair isn't in short bitch mode.

Darker makeup is kind of sexy

Nose doesn't look like an accordion

Nose is visually narrowed instead of widened by prosthetic.

I hate bajoran noses.

Spoonhead master race.

>>25051

That's why it was good.

TNG is the crew you want to serve on, but they are not interesting.

Star Trek V was a great movie.

I like both Nemesis (the film) and These Are the Voyages. There's my unpopular opinions.

>>25072

Completely agree there. When you see faggots on places like TrekBBS repeating ad nauseum that 'Sisko's a badass' it's the most pathetic spectacle ever. Ditto Chuck Sonnenberg's 'The Sisko and his motherfucking pimphand' cancer. Absolute flids.

>>25275

Agreed that season 7 TNG has a decent hitrate. I know a lot of the Geordi's mum type stuff is a snore, but it's cancelled out by entertaining fare. Also, Masks is based.

>>25294

Also agree on Cardie Kira, but she wasn't attractive at all with the dyke cut and I think that's the main issue.

>>25376

I can see this being true as well.

>>27025

Absolutely. Best Trek film, only Undiscovered Country rivals it. I forget this is controversial tbh. Generations is also great I think, best TNG film.

>>27030

don't remember much of that in England.

>>27032

Yeah but it's England. Weather is so drab that days blur into each other until you can't recall if you had blood pudding for breakfast yesterday, or ten years ago.

>>27063

I find that to be an absurd caricature.

>>27063

pretty much. that and the gulf war around the same time.

>>27065

As befits Bongistan, an absurd caricature of a functioning country.

>>27073

I feel like it was a real country once, but the British are all too polite to tell their politicans they are ruining it.

>>27142

You forgot

>whenever questioned on their right to rule, try to guilt you with OY VEY, MUH 6 TRILLION LITERS

>>27142

I wasn't talking about liquid peoples.

>>27142

You realize it's allowable for there to be two species representing jews in the series? Ferengi are the caricature of corporatist jews who pretend to care about freedom when they really want to have their child slaves making nukes. Changelings are the political cryptokike stereotype, internationalist and with massive invisible empires, with an army of American golems to die for them.

Just like Romulans and Klingons in the original series both represented evil eurasian commie hordes. Klingons represented barbarian warmen (slavs) and Romulans represented emotionless bee people (chinks), but both were pretty clearly designed to scare people about commies.

>>27089

Did the Chinese tell you this?

>>27173

Klingons were Mongolian-based and Romulans were Roman-based.

>>27180

Yes because the main topics of discussion in 1960s America and the main threats to the nation were medieval horse archers and nugreeks.

>>27181

you realize Gene Roddenberry was a communist. right.

>>27182

He was a utopian socialist, sure, but he wasn't full Bolshevik. Looking at some episodes of TOS you can see he didn't like the commies because muh freedoms, muh nuclear war. Basically he was a hippy.

>>27183

absolutely but hippies were the tool of the down fall of western society.

>>27181

if it wasn't, it should have been. can't be too prepared when dealing with mongols.

All Trek has good & bad episodes even Voyager.

Voyager had plenty of good episodes such as Deathwish, Living Witness, Tuvix, Riddles, Future's End, Scorpion, The Killing Game, Year of Hell, Equinox, Think Tank, Dark Frontier, Blink of An Eye, Flesh and Blood, Repentance, Q2, and Author, Author.

Year of Hell should have been a movie.

>>27302

I think that VOY has the best and worst episodes. It's makes the series average out to being the third best because the good episodes in other series are much better than their worst ones whereas all VOY's bests are counterbalanced by ones that are terrible to the same magnitude.

>>27303

VOY isn't really that different from TNG. It's the same concept, a ship that explores and meets other cultures (VOY never explored the whole "cut off from the Alpha Quadrant" dilemma), and even the main villians are the same (Borg). VOY was very conservative, they played it safe, unlike DS9 which has its own problems but at least had balls into doing stuff the other Trek shows never did (until STD, but not in a good way).

Both shows have few really, really good episodes but mostly filler and a few really, really bad ones. I still don't get the hate for VOY, it isn't different from TNG or even TOS in its conception, explores ethical subjects more nuanced (instead of the hammy, low-brow way they did it in TNG), and has a better set design. The only reason TNG is regarded as better is because they were the lucky ones to introduce all the things people loved about Trek that weren't in TOS and the movies.

If you want me to name the quantity of great episodes, I'd actually name more in VOY than in TNG. I'd dare anybody to make an argument why TNG is better than VOY. It really isn't. The only argument you could make is that you'd like some of the actors more.

>>27180

The Romulans are based on the Chinese more than they are based on the Romans. They only took the names from the Romans, like "Romulus" or "Senate", but their entire culture is a bizarre propaganda image of what Westerners think of Chinese society.

Klingons are clearly Japanese in WWII, I don't know how anybody can't see that.

>>27314

>Klingons are clearly Japanese in WWII, I don't know how anybody can't see that.

Some people are just dumb.

Sub Rosa isn't as bad as everyone says it is, it's a 4/10 episode. Seriously, can someone explain to me why it's so universally hated?

>>27611

Why exactly are you distinguishing between "4/10" and "universally hated?"

>>27611

It's fucking retarded. A Scottish ghost puts a fog on the enterprise.

>>27611

>It's a Crusher episode

>It's heavy with sexuality

>Barely any of the regular cast appear

>Crusher confirms she got off reading her grandma's stories of getting boned by a ghost

>Crusher is just okay with boning her grandma's old lover despite how weird or awkward that should be

>The villain's entire plan is to bone the women in Crusher's family to keep himself alive

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>>27617

Is there a porn paradoy of this episode btw?

>>27617

>No one thought this whole fucking situation was weird until Crusher decided to resign from the enterprise.

seriously, if seemed like if he could have safely left the planet the crew would have just let her keep fucking a ghost without saying a word about it

>>27620

That episode is the porn parody, anon.

>>27624

Why would they say anything? Geordie fucked holodeck ho's, you know Barclay did too. Not much different to a ghost.

Thomas Riker is too well adjusted after 8 years of solitude in the station. They should have portrayed him more like a neet/hikki.

>>27750

>Thomas Riker is too well adjusted after 8 years of solitude in the station. They should have portrayed him more like a neet/hikki.

It was a lazy character. Why couldn't they have just filmed his episodes/scenes last during the season and have Frakes shave his beard?

>>27755

Yeah that would have been more convincing. Intersting tidbit: The original plan was to kill off Will Riker, make Data 1st officer and have Thomas riker join a lieutenant.

>>27756

Wouldn't that chick from BoBW be 1st Officer?

>>27750

I think he should have been addicted to anime and retire to become a true neet.

Unpopular Opinion, mine alone: STTNG is actually what a spaceship crew would be like if it was actually an extended family that had hidden incest secrets. Nobody seems comfortable around each other.

>>25065

>bloused boots

bloused boots or even just boots worn over the pants leg are just dumb for a crew that spend all day just walking around on space ship decks. They're alright for away missions I suppose, but then the rest of the WoK outfits look far too dressy for away missions in general. Star fleet needs some sort of more utilitarian BDU type of garb for when they leave the ship

>>29252

Wasn't the thing anon picked up on in early TNG that it was heavily hinted that Picard might be Wesleys true father?

>>29331

It does feel like that's the sole reason Crusher keeps pushing Wesley and Picard to interact. Like she's trying to get them to make some sort of bond first before she finally drops the "he's your real father" bomb.

>>29345

That or she's desperate for some Captain's log.

The Borg Queen was a mistake and destroyed all fascination in the race. When Picard was hailed by the Borg and no one showed up on screen, but a gigantic open space with intense light shining in the back, you knew this foe was as inhuman as facing technology itself.

Also the resolution of The Best of Both Worlds 2 was gimmicky and half-baked. The Borg were built up a little too well in part 1, to go down with just a simple plan. Nowadays that two parter would warrant an entire series.

>>29410

This thread is for unpopular opinions, anon. Not self-evident truths.

>>29411

Trekkies usually react autistically and reply the Borg Queen is exactly the same as the collective. Hence, the scenic effect is too.

>>27749

People talked to Barclay about it and Jeordi recognized it was a bad idea.

>>25046

Here's mine.

TNG is overrated and its first season is as bad and as preachy as Discovery and nu-Trek. Its also a disgrace to TOS. DS9 however feels like a far better successor to TOS, only ruined by Sisko being so boring.

>>25075

>a consolidated trek universe with a merged timeline would be an interesting experiment

Think big, anon. If we have to try the thought experiment, be extreme.

1. All ships and crews coexist in the TNG era.

2. Storylines are kept separate, but occasional cameos do happen.

3. Every season happens at the same time. Each series is aware of the events happening cross franchise.

4. Movies happen between seasons.

5. TOS ship is from a group of non-federation human colonies, closer to classic Earth nations.

6. ENT ship is from a species who had first contact with the federation only a short time back.

>>29419

TNG season 1 and 2 to an extent is TOS though.

>>29419

>TNG is overrated and its first season is as bad and as preachy as Discovery and nu-Trek

Extend that to S2 TNG, and that's a pretty common opinion around here.

Here's one of mine: If you try very, very, very, very, hard to forget what a massive space-slut Dax is, she and Worf make a good couple.

>>25046

>Old Klingons resemble the Japanese

>>27314

>>27315

>Klingons are clearly Japanese in WWII, I don't know how anybody can't see that.

They're Mongols you blithering retards.

>>30496

Mongols don't obsess about MUH HONORUBRU to the same autistic degree. Nor are they closely associated with an impractical curved sword, whose fanboys insist it's far deadlier than evidence would suggest. Further, the Mongols were not enemies in the previous generation who became close allies in the wake of a massive disaster.

>>27313

This shouldn't even be a controversial opinion. Sure people can argue that the cast was better than TNG, but I don't think it is. Sure, Mulgrew is no Stewart, but I dare anybody to compare the rest. The Doctor and Seven are better than Data, because Data is extremely one-dimensional, which is why Spiner grew tired of him so quickly. Wesley is a catastrophe, Dr. Crusher is boring, and I don't see the difference between Torres and LaForge, the latter is a by-the-book snoozefest and Torres at least has passion. Admittedly, Tuvok is a bit of a vanilla Vulcan, and Paris is a Riker stand-in, but all in all, I just don't see how the Voyager crew is worse than the TNG crew.

I can name more great VOY episodes than TNG episodes. Many say the best TNG episodes are greater because of the emotional impact, but they really are just Patrick Stewart one-man-shows (The Inner Light, Chain of Command), etc. - there isn't a great TNG episode that isn't based on Stewart acting out the classics.

>>30505

cast was better in TNG*

>>30501

The old Klingons didn't have impractical curved swords or an obsession with honor, and wouldn't become allies for decades. That all came later.

I think the idea of Ezri wearing diapers is /cute/ and should be explored in further detail.

>>27313

>>30505

Worst captain, worst first officer. The peripheral breakout characters salvaged the show to the degree it was salvageable.

>>30508

Yes, and "later" was when Klingon culture was really fleshed out and explained in any detail, compared to TOS, where they were just antagonists. So, while they didn't start out as Japs, all of the worldbuilding of consequence has said that they are Japs.

>>30521

I don't know what's wrong with Chakotey. He isn't much different from Riker really. It's just that TOS has set the bar so high with Spock that all the other first officers afterwards weren't all that great. One of the reasons why ENT went with a Vulcan again, imo.

Plus, Janeway still beats Archer. She has her moments. The reason she's regarded as bad is because of her sometimes psychopathic or frankly erratic decisions.

>>30525

Klingon worldbuilding started with the TOS movies though. Search for Spock was the movie that really introduced them, and TMP introduced their famous make-up, a movie still over which Roddenberry still had much control.

>>30528

Didn't the TOS movies start to bring their predilection with honor in, as well?

>>25046

>Unpopular Opinions

You wouldn't know it from this subreddit of zoomer poseurs but those are all fairly popular opinions. On every other trek board I've ever used (with the exception of the hyper-autismos on those 'trek vs wars'-type forums) people generally acknowledge that most trek series are mostly drek, with the 5%-10% of good episodes being such gold that it makes up for everything else. It's always love/hate.

>>30525

You're the worst poster on this fucking board and it would be fine if you left forever. I really wouldn't mind.

You can't fucking invoke time travel to somehow be right when someone posts a valid counter-argument to your bullshit, dude.

TOS had more to do with the cold war than anything else and there are a million interviews with the creators that confirm this.

The Vietnam war in particular was ~kind of a big fucking deal~, and the propaganda of the time was informed by, yes, some residual WW2 japan bullshit, but largely they were a mainland "yellow horde" with echos of hundreds of years of the exact imperial rivalry that TOS went out of its way to reflect. Mongols are a much more logical counterpart to Space Romans and that IRL history is absolutely central to the development of european imperialism and the circumstances leading up to the World Wars themselves. That east vs west paradigm is crucial to western history and is largely what framed perceptions of the japanese in the first place, right down to the pointy tails.

>>30541

>You wouldn't know it from this subreddit of zoomer poseurs

>>30541

>You're the worst poster on this fucking board and it would be fine if you left forever. I really wouldn't mind.

well aren't you a sourpuss

>>30541

I'm well aware of the fact that TOS was heavily steeped in the Cold War, and I have not at any point contradicted this claim. This does not change the fact that, in the formative parts of their worldbuilding–including the TOS films, in which their uniforms were very reminiscent of feudal Japan–the Klingons were made to resemble the nips.

>>30551

>well aren't you a sourpuss

yes

>>30511

Pretty sure it has been.