/strek/ - Star Trek

Why not a holographic firefighter in medbay?

What is up with the star field being different between the rings if that planet on tng

special effects cost money.

In VOY s1e1 everything was going to Hell in a handbasket and most systems were probably not working properly, so either the computer was down, or maybe there wasn't enough power to make a forcefield, or whatever else.

But the actual answer is: there's a hundred things they could have done with forcefields but never did except when the writers managed to think of it.

In Voyager there was a ship called Voyager captained by a woman with a bad supporting cast and awful writing, leading me to come to the astonishingly uncommon conclusion that the show was utterly amazing and anyone that dislikes it is an incel who's height (starts with 5', shameful) causes him to be intimidated by females in positions of authority.

>can replicate food

>can transport matter from one place into energy into matter in another place

>can't permanently transform energy from the holodeck into matter

they were just being dicks to moriarty for the fun of it, weren't they

>>24452

It's because the hologram is just a projection of a computer program. They don't just need to make a solid body, they need to find a way to transfer the program into its brain to give it consciousness. His "mind" existed solely in the holodeck's computer and as far as I know they have no way of transferring that into a human brain. There was that cyberneticist that managed to transfer his own mind into Data, but that was only due to Data's positronic brain being so similar to a real brain. A computer is so different that it would be practically impossible to do a 1:1 transfer.

In the Moriarty episodes they didn't really mention his mind, it was all about making his body solid, but that is a reason why they wouldn't be able to make him into a real person.

In Voyager 2x09 Tattoo - @32:40 Janeway refers to Chakotay as a missing crewman not a missing officer.

>>24492

He was a Maquis rebel, who resigned from star fleet. If he ever held an SF commission it would have been revoked when he left. He may have had an officers roll on the ship but he didn't hold an officers commission.

Granted, it was probably shoddy writing more than anything else, but we do tend to put much more thought into these episodes that the writers did

>>24497

Role you fucking ingrate.

>>24492

They often use crewman to refer to any member of the crew, not just those whose rank is crewman. I don't know if that's how it is in real navies, but they do it in star trek.

>>24435

sounds like you're projecting

>>24435

To be fair, MOST of the reasons I've seen for why Voyager sucks begin with "Janeway is a woman and acts like one". Well, shit son, that's an amazing observation!

>>24501

In real navies a crewman is a member of the crew, and the crew itself is the people tasked with ensuring the ship is ready to respond to commands. In America these are usually the enlisted.

The officers are an entirely separate group, with separate bunks, mess halls, meeting areas, whose job it is to decide what the ship should do and issue those commands.

On many ships, there is literally a line painted on deck that no crewman is allowed to cross, because that's officer territory.

The split and the custom is not out of any malice, it's completely practical and rooted in what works. Mixed crews have never worked, allowing officers to fraternize with crew always led to disaster, because officers would hesitate to make a choice that would put their "faves" into danger.

Separating crews offers the best decision making clarity, and also in case of prisoners of war being taken, the enemy is not going to bother interrogating crew which tends to protect them from any liability in whatever the warship does. They're also harder to put into a military prison.

…

From what I've seen of Trek, they have commissioned officers, non commissioned officers and enlisted. This is more similar to what America has.

Enlisted are basically crew, they're called that because they're literally just "put on a list" as a qualification. They get trained after their enlistment to be specialists or technicians in their fields, but they are always referred to as "enlisted".

The highest rank an enlisted can attain is that of a "non commissioned officer", NCO, or noncom. This rank has more administrative duties, more responsibility, but it is still lacks the responsibility or legal obligations of a commissioned officer. An NCO for example can't be forced to stand in a war crimes tribunal. The enlisted reaches the rank of NCO by slowly moving up through the enlisted rank structure, learning every job on the way. This generally means that an NCO of equivalent rank to a CO will be 40 years older.

A commissioned officer or CO goes to school and gets a comprehensive education in law, politics, international situation, history of war… on all duties and obligations he has, and immediately after school gets a set of responsibilities which he can be executed for ignoring. This means a twenty year old CO may have a 35 year old NCO as his immediate underling.

Also on Star Trek the "line" between the groups is drawn with uniforms, and if you're careful you can spot crewmen acting with deference to command decisions, calling officers "sir" and other such things.

Voyager 5x05 - How did the hologram recognise Samantha Wildman from when she was a kid? Isn't Voyager a new ship?

Also it's a terrible episode that only deserves a 2/10.

In TNG 5x09 @13:50 The time traveller asks Riker what's the most important example of progress in the last 200 years, Riker replies "The warp coil". This would place it at least 100 years after the events of First Contact

In TNG 5x09 @14:10 Worf says there were no phasers in the 22nd century, this contradicts Enterprise which is set in the 2150's.

In ENT 4x01 how did they not immediately notice it wasn't 22nd century Earth? Shouldn't there be satellites and space stations and sub-space communication? Also wouldn't the stars have moved?

In ENT 4x06 @18:10 the klingon ship that the augments are on has quilted beds but in TNG 5x07 it is shown that klingons sleep on bare beds.

>>26427

>In ENT 4x06 @18:10 the klingon ship that the augments are on has quilted beds but in TNG 5x07 it is shown that klingons sleep on bare beds.

People have pointed out that Klingon culture between TOS era and TNG era seems to have shifted from "appreciating warriors" to "fetishizing warrior culture". It's not unreasonable to think that Klingon culture (both military and civilian) went into an escalating "more hardcore than thou" competition over the centuries. Soft beds might not have been sneered upon during the earlier ENT era.

>>26428

>>26427

it's also entirely possible the metal cots was the Klingons pranking the soft star fleet people, or it's a regular form of hazing done to entry level crew members, and the augments were in the much nicer captain's quarters

>>26549

Yeah, definitely possibilities as well. This is what annoys me so much about most of trek fandom. It's full of people who've just accepted as canon that "X race acts like Y", when all we saw of X's races behaviour was a single guy one time.

Not to start a B5 vs Trek war, but one of the things I really liked about B5 was the variety of behaviour within the races. By having a relative handful of races all regularly interacting with each other in one setting, we got the impression that each race really is a complex society filled with individual conflict and politicking. (I'd argue that the closest we ever got to that on Star Trek was with Klingons late in DS9's run.)

We had meek-and-mild Centauri and blustering-and-aggressive Centauri. Friendly monk Minbari and "I will rip out your spine and feed it to you" Minbari. Scheming-and-skulking Drazi and noble selfless self-sacrificing Drazi. Humans aiming to save the galaxy, and Humans looking to fuck over all non-Humans for political gain. Narn assassins and Narn poets. Vorlons who'd happily blow up planets to remove an intellectual infection, and Vorlons who would risk all just to save a single person. It wasn't all just "nice humans trying to understand dickish bumpy-forehead alien-of-the-week" one time only before moving on to the next bumpy-headed alien-of-the-week.

In either "Charlie X" or "The Man Trap" you can see a extra wearing what they likely intended to be some sort of engineering gear, but it's quite obviously a beekeeper suit. Can't upload a screenshot since I don't have a PC with a blu-ray drive, my dvd-rips are on an old pc on storage, and I'm posting through TOR.

It's fun to see TOS's low budget become obvious in certain scenes. It turned out well most of the time, but there's always those times where they stick a horn on a dog or have environmental suits the look like they came from party city. The Naked Time, and The Enemy Within, just for reference

Why did Q age from the start of TNG until the end of VOY?

>>27057

What visible proof do you see of his aging?

>>27057

maybe he was picking an age from the average ages of the people he was interacting with?

>>27307

He was severely demoted for some infraction too embarassing for anyone to ever mention again. Everyone, himself included, chose to pretend he had always been petty officer instead.

>>27312

He pooped his pants on the bridge, didn't he?

are disruptors red or green? please make your mind up. Also, why did phasers go from orange, to blue then back to orange again?

>>27075

>clearly a gloved hand.

Apparently while they were filming The Man Trap the puppeteer of that plant kept trying to flip Yeoman Rand's skirt.

Funnily enough, the actress didn't accuse him of rape. She seemed to interpret it as some strange thing called a "joke", and later said the scene was one of the most fun she had on the show. What strange times.

>>27316

the pooping was just embarrassing, the demotion came because he giggled and then said "oopsy i made a poopsy"

>>27353

So help me God if any of you become an O'Brien diaperfag…

>>27365

>O'Brien diaperfag

It would explain how O'Brien can be on duty in the transporter room all day.

>>27390

The fact that he has a transporter explains that already.

>>27411

>Ah! My womb is so full of poop! It's coming out and stretching my vagina!

Is … is this how Japanese women shit? It started as an interesting 'justification'for the female characters in the fleet to wear butt plugs 24/7 and then it just got weird.

>>27532

That doujin actually got weirder from there; that was before they even started the urethra sex. Truly Kusochinpo de Okasaretai literally: "I want to be fucked by a shit-dick" is a masterpiece of erotic literature.

>>27411

>install a small teleporter in your ass

>have the ability to teleport anywhere within range

Human civilization has reached a pinnacle. Where our ape ancestors had to collect their feces in their hands and fling it at their enemies (what opposable thumbs evolved for), we can now simply teleport our poop at our enemies with no effort expended.

Why don't they use the transporter to copy people?

>>27602

I'm pretty sure there's an entire books of things they're forbidden to use the transporters for. In fact I'd half expect that section 31 shows up and mind wipes people when ever someone accidentally discovers a beneficial transporter trick.

>>27602

They did once, accidentally. As the other guy says, go-to answer for shit like this is "S31 is working overtime behind the scenes to keep shit running."

>>27602

Cause people are expendable.

>>31089

I think it's supposed to be antiques.

I remember once in an ending shot in TNG right before the credits the star field was mirrored right down the middle.

>>24382

That field was supposed to suffocate the Irish and let the fire spread to their corpses, but the field was accidentally inverted, extinguishing the fire and letting the Irish spread to other planets.

>>31089

Well what do you expect it to use? Rocket powered chairs?

>>31089

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. We're still cooking bread in a toaster instead of using a microwave, because microwaved bread would be horrible.

>>31158

Toasting bread over a fire is still better tbh.

I just saw this one last night on the talmudvision. Remember that TNG episode "QPid," where Q sends Vash and the main cast into Robin Hood? Neat the end, in order to create a diversion, Data throws a small ampoule into a fire and it explodes. If you watch carefully, you can see that when he tosses it into the fire, it actually falls out of the cauldron or fire pit or whatever it's called. Then it explodes in the fire.

Hoshi was the only sensible character by being shit afraid of beaming. I mean, you basically die and are reborn on another location everytime. It basically negates the concept of a soul and states that a person is nothing else but a sack of meat with neuro-chemical reactions in it. In fact the beaming thing would be the main reason I'd never work in Starfleet.

>>31171

Even if transporters alarm you by implying the nonexistence of souls it doesn't make sense to refuse to use them. If the fact that they can successfully transfer (and occasionally duplicate) consciousnesses is proof against souls, then the fact that other humans, who would have souls if they existed, can transport successfully implies that as a fellow human you must also lack a soul.

You might be disturbed by the existence of transporters, but that's not the same thing as being scared to use them.

>>31171

>>31172

Souls and mind-body dualism are canon in Trek, see: Star Trek III, and pretty much any other episode where consciousness is transferred to another person. The stuff they pull with psychic powers in general kind of implies it too. There are arguably other examples as well (changelings evidently don't have a detectable brain – where is their mind? How did they separate Tuvix's thoughts and memories back out?). Don't worry, your soul stays with you when you transport. Apparently. The scientists of the Federation are way overdue for throwing in the towel and admitting that magic, demons, and ghosts are real.

>>31171

>meat sacks

The total materialist view pushed by the anglo-kikes. Why do you think 'transhumanism' is being pushed?

>>31173

I'm not even a dogmatic follower of the body-psyche dualism, I believe it to be a false dichotomy because the mind can't exist without the body. I don't think a soul is something "separate". I still however think that there is something inherently scary about being disassembled and reassembled every day a couple of times. I believe after 100 transports or so, you "loose" something that makes you the person that you are. Maybe you go crazy, maybe you become an emotionless automaton.

>>31176

>Ass O Nine is the reason you watch

>Not the EMH

Fuck you. In fact bend over anon, I'm going to fuck you in the ass!

Combat in ST is ridiculuously gimped and unimaginative, leaving no room for personal ability and tactics. Outside of group maneuvers and repair efficiency, all ships fight in the same identical and dumb way: approach the enemy, fire the phasers.

Evasive maneuvers are basically handled by a software, just like targeting, so you don't have ace pilots. And capital ships in space are apparently slow as molasses to move around, despite full impulse being faster than any modern jet. The shield system contributes to the lack of excitement and fighting chance, as it precludes focused attacks that might be exploited with skill, and any hit taken when the shields are down is potentially fatal anyway.

It's also ridiculuous how fast the capital ship of the federation can run out of juice, either with depleted shields or disabled weapons. When they introduce the Defiant, that's the first and last time someone mentions how adding multiple weapon systems can help survive a prolonged battle. What's worse is that the Enterprise D is chock full of civilians, so it's like nobody really cared putting more than a single phaser array and torpedo tube between those thousands and death. In hindsight, it makes Trek ships look like pleasure cruises with a cannon strapped on top.

>>31174

>Why do you think 'transhumanism' is being pushed?

They hate God and humanity, so they want humanity to change into a warped different god.

>>31181

Starfleet ships are not pure warships.

>no room for personal ability

When using energy weapons at close range it is impossible to out maneuver the speed of light.

>>31183

That's the broken premise, not an inevitability. I read plenty scifi where laser warfare was made exciting, and the first step is not rooting two ships in place in front of each other.

And it's no argument, that the Enterprise is unfit to protect its crew due to being more than military. Safety must be granted outside of military application.

>>31181

>Combat in ST is ridiculuously gimped and unimaginative, leaving no room for personal ability and tactics

A lot of it is down to really script writing and funny enough budgets increasing making combat worse. TOS and even TMP had a WW2 attitude how combat should play out and it was fine. TNG they wanted to fill the screen which made things really up close and while it looked pretty made zero sense.

To put it simply, ship combat in Star Trek used to be fought over 100km's+ where ships would be tiny specs on the viewscreen. Then all of a sudden newfags decided warships should turn into starfighters which made it ridiculous.

>>31169

Who came up with the name Vash? It's terrible. It's like a combination of vagina and rash

>>31190

Well that was the character in a nutshell.

>>31186

>starfighters

No, more like ships of the line slugging it out which is why they are so close.

>>31193

Hmm, that makes sense.

>>31173

>The scientists of the Federation are way overdue for throwing in the towel and admitting that magic, demons, and ghosts are real.

Yeah, the minute the Enterprise found Lincoln floating in space they should have admitted shit was chaos.

>>31214

Star Trek as 40k predecessor confirmed.

>>31201

Did you watch DS9 at all anon?

>>31214

You'd think that Leonardo da Vinci and Brahms being the same guy would come up more often, I mean, it really makes you think

>>31175

If transporters were real they would be so useful and revolutionary that even if they objectively did kill and replace you, people would find a way to rationalize their way around it or outright refuse to believe it. After a while, people born into a transporter-rich society would have been killed and replaced possibly hundreds or thousands of times before growing old enough to even muse about the philosophical implications of it. Every once and a while, somebody would freak out and go OH GOD I'M ONLY SEVENTEEN MINUTES OLD AND ALL MY MEMORIES ARE FAKE but then the'd take a mandatory chill pill and go back to work.

>>31233

Not to get all sophomore in college, but is there any guarantee you don't die every night when you sleep and a new consciousness is formed?

>>31234

You never stop thinking during sleep, you just descend into an incoherent madness which can't be remembered. But even if electrical activity stopped for a while, the underlying hardware would still exist and be ready to restart.

If you may call it nitpicking, I recently started rewatching TNG from S5. After like 20 years since I watched the first run in my country.

And the political correctness is through the roof, with a constant barrage of stronk womyn fighting against prejudice, nagging about pronouns and gender roles, et cetera. It was in a Trek magazine that I learned what PC was, when it was mentioned how the intro blurb changed from Where No Man to Where No One, but back then I was not savvy enough to notice that the iconoclasm is onesided and preachy.

I can't watch this shit anymore. At most, would only call it slightly less worse than STD. But I will graciously take off the nostalgia glasses from now on, and tell it like it is to any poor Joe wanting in on ST. I will tell them that Trek is TOS and its movies, and everything else is nuTrek.

>>24497

Wasn't he signed up on the spot and then given a field promotion? There's precedent for it.

Regardless, as someone else pointed out, they've used "crewman" to refer to Ensigns and Lieutenants before.

Starfleet might be based on the navy but that doesn't mean it IS the navy.

>>24492

It doesn't sound very startrekish to split crewmembers between crewmen and officers.

>>31258

Well everyone is an officer in TNG except O'Brien

In reality though I wonder why they never give much love to enlisted personnel?

>>31259

>I wonder why they never give much love to enlisted personnel?

Because Roddenberry based Starfleet off his own experiences in the Air Force. And the Air Force is very top-heavy with officers, because only commissioned personnel are allowed to fly the planes.

>>31627

UNIVERSAL TRANSLATOR

You know Germans don't call their country Germany in German right?

That comparison is stupid.

>>31629

>do you speak German?

>spreken ze Deutsche?

would become

>do you speak Earth?

>spreken ze Solar III?

>>31630

That's like saying germany translates to 3rd biggest country in europe

>>31631

Well there are millions of planets so some of them get numbers instead of names in our language. Just the way it is.

>>31635

But they all speak english. Not need for translation

>>31627

>Kronos

>Romulus

>Cardassia

only the planets conquered by the federation are reduced to Sun X status.

>>31644

>New England

>Nova Scotia

>New South Wales

Only places conquered by the English are reduced to New X status.

>>31643

They don't though, they have to use the universal translator to communicate.

>>31644

Cardassia PRIME, all the other planets in the system are numbered, with Cardassia Prime being the second planet.

>>31647

>Troi

>useful

Only one pick allowed. Troi is a plot device to get ship and crew into trouble.

Btw, did they try to get Jim Carrey to play future guy? He declined and they went for a lookalike with the same act?

>>31644

They didn't conquer Kaden II.

>>31644

>Kronos

U wot m8?

>>31651

It's Kronos in TOS/Star Trek VI, they don't change it to Qo'nos until TNG/DS9

>>31649

I dunno, that seems to be pretty much how that guy would play that part. I forget his name, but he was in lots of shit in the 80's/90's.

>>31649

Troi is largely useless, but the one thing she is supposed to be able to do is pick out lies and emotional inconsistency. That's literally her only shtick.

>>31659

That worked for T'Pol and Seven though.

>>31659

That was a holdover from Roddenberry. Sirtis hated her onesies but they kept them until Jellico showed up.

>>31655

Troi existed to explain basic emotions and motivation to autists.

>>31660

That's because T'Pol and Seven were moderately attractive.

>>31660

T'Pol and Seven were special though. Troi was just another crew member. Her non-uniform outfit singled her out in a way that wasn't proportionate to her character.

>>31659

The R34 stories of her staging pegging therapy sessions in her quarters unironically flesh her out heavily as a character that provides good relief for the crew.

>>31649

Don't let the sun set on you here, zoomer. Jim Carrey stole his whole act from Matt Frewer's portrayal of Max Headroom.

>>31688

You can't just drop something like that and not elaborate on it, Hitler. Dubs demand you tell us more.

>>31695

Hmm, does this mean Matt Frewer > Jim Carrey? So TNG did nothing wrong… fascinating

>>31700

You know you can find it easily just by typing into (((google))) right?

>>31688

>The R34 stories of her staging pegging therapy sessions in her quarters unironically flesh her out heavily as a character that provides good relief for the crew.

Being bi, the mental image of an in-her-prime Marina Sirtis driving a nice thick dildo up my ass gets me hard as goddamn diamonds.

>>32059

I haven't found it yet.

>>32064

Being totally straight but liking things shoved in your ass doesn't make you bi.

>>32109

That's right, it makes you totally gay.

>>32111

Yeah, just like jerking off makes you totally gay because it's touching a dick.

>>32118

Wrong, because sodomy and onanism are different practices. But you are right that practicing sodomy won't make you gay, because homosexuality does not exist. You are a man like anyone else, your fetishes don't stem from any special identity.

>>32123

Well, that's not entirely true. If you're a butt pirate chances are you have a special identity as a pedo victim.

They have a device that can scan Data's brain, not rigged together, they just have it. For the android they don't know how to duplicate. They've also discovered braintaping in that episode but never mentioned it again.

>>32229

Tricorders can scan aliens they've never met, maybe it's pretty basic. Or maybe it came in the box with Data.

In "The Next Phase," the S5 episode where Ro and LaForge are phase-cloaked which is some pretty cool foreshadowing for the S7 Pegasus episode, they're described as having been phased out of normal matter, unable to interact with it. This means they can walk through walls, but conveniently the soles of their feet are not phased, and the floor is solid to them. They also don't suffocate despite being unable to breathe the air around them.

>>32347

There is no good in-universe explanation but I'm going to go with artificial gravity (aka magic) continuing to pull them to the floor and stopping them there.

>>32349

Yeah, I thought about that too, but that doesn't explain why they don't go accelerating through the deck and out the ventral area of the ship at a few hundred meters per second. It's really a scenario that only gets worse the more you think about it.

>>32350

Was the ship stationary that episode? Maybe the shields or deflectors kept everything inside their bubble internally consistent somehow. I'm fucking reaching man throw me a bone.

>>32361

I've thought about that too. There is no reaching here. The writers fucked up big.

>>32361

The ship was stationary, but Ro and LaForge got onto very much not stationary shuttles several times.

>>32366

This. They goofed hard.

>>31688

Seriously, I can't find this shit anywhere. Where was it posted?

>Kirk uses a photon mortar

>it works like a tac-nuke

>Jem'Hadar find an iconian gateway

>Sisko wants to bomb them from orbit, rattles off numbers in the megaton range and the reason he can't do it that way is the building it's in is made of neutronium

>Breen attack Earth, places with damage look more like it got hit by WWII-era CAS or something

>Bomar orbitally bombard the Raven

>does less damage than a modern-day mortar

>>32366

This, and SG1 dunked on them hard for it.

I think it was the episode where Picard "proved" not lol Data's sentience in court, Data claimed to have read every treatise available on playing poker, and yet didn't understand the concept of bluffing until he experienced it playing Riker et al.

So we're meant to believe he read MULTIPLE books on how to play poker, and none of them mentioned bluffing once? Other than weighing the odds of what you're going to get on the flop and the river (which Data should be able to do instantly without effort) there's almost nothing to learn about poker EXCEPT how to be bluff well. What a load.

>>32485

Related to this, there was also "Conundrum," in which Deanna beat Data at chess because she had a "creative playing style" or whatever the fuck. Not only is it retarded to have the most airheaded character be a good chessplayer, it's nonsensical when you understand how chess works even on the most plebeian of levels; it's absolutely a game where sheer speed of computation gives one an absolute advantage. You can't even blame this on poor knowledge of the future, not really–Deep Blue beat the reigning Grand Master only five years after this episode aired.

>>32485

I always assumed that he had read about it but it's the sort of thing one cant understand until one experiences it.

>>32487

This one gets me too, but most people don't consider chess to be that way. It's just a popular misconception.

>>32495

Maybe it's just selection bias from the sort of people I hung out with; even the artsy fartsy types were able to understand that whoever could think the most moves ahead in chess tends to win.

>>32485

That's why you should disregard anything related to Data's knowledge or skills from the first few seasons because they didn't know what they were doing. They couldn't figure out how to portray an all-knowing but inexperienced adult, so they just made him an autistic savant who didn't know certain things "just because". Like him failing to extract himself from a Chinese Finger-trap. Any child can understand how to do it by observation, and seeing how he surely knows literally ALL OF PHYSICS Data would, too. What happened was more like he was too obstinate to try a different strategy rather than just pulling on it (but not to hard to break it, apparently), which is clearly autistic-like behavior.

>>32487

Mildly related: neither Patrick Stewart nor Ian Mckellan know how to play chess, and couldn't be assed to learn, so every scene in the X-Men movies where they are playing, they just move random pieces around. It's not a stretch to assume literally nobody on the TNG writing staff knew how to play chess, either.

>>32495

For some reason, a lot of people think that chess is a bluffing game like poker. Too much to do about good players manipulating their opponent, and then they don't know what that means so assume it's some kind of mind-games, rather than just interrupting their flow and limiting their movement options while increasing your own.

>>32600

Huh, most people really are complete retards.

>>32600

Chess is very imbalanced anyway. Whites always win.

>Voyager visits Planet Jack Thompson

>literal no-bad-thoughts culture, any violent thoughts fuck with it intensely and inhabitants have no self-control, acting on any violent thought they telepathically pick up

>right between Krenim space and space pirate planet

>not isolated by omnipotent/deific ayy, technology, or space wedgie/hostile space terrain around their system

>thought police presumably have to physically restrain subjects at some point, which can presumably get violent

How does this work, exactly? How has nobody upset their order before, either through invasion, or through traders just idly thinking somebody with RBF looks punchable? You'd think if they had outside contact, they'd have a way of dealing with this before Voyager showed up.

I'll give a shit about Star Trek again when the Abrams movies, Discovery and Picard are removed from canon and forgotten about. There was no excuse for the time travel, Romulus being destroyed, the "what timeline is it?" mess of Discovery, none of it. Kick it all out.

Abrams has been kinder to Star Wars than Trek, and Orci & Kurtzman need to lose their Hollywood jobs(not that I'd object to an automobile accident removing them completely)

Voyager & Enterprise > Abrams canon.

If I tried to nitpick all of Nemesis this whole thread could go to 751 posts and I wouldn't even be done. So let's focus on B4. This short bus android doesn't make a lick of sense. Data's MILF told us every android before Lore an heroed from unstable positronic nets. Even if she lied for some reason, how did Shinzon get a hold of him? If the Tal Shiar somehow retrieved him from Omicron Theta, why didn't they take Data or Lore? Why did Shinzon choose to bury his parts on a desert planet in bumfuck nowhere? How was he so sure the Enterprise would pass by Planet Bumfuck? How does a deactivated positronic brain set off the Enterprise's long-range sensors, when not even an active android brain is detected by them normally? If the brain was modified by Shinzon to have a stronger output, why wasn't that stronger output detected? Why are discount Tusken Raiders guarding a random android in the desert? Since when are positrons, a relatively common form of antimatter which should be found in every warp core, only produced by android brains? Why doesn't anyone react with just a little bit of suspicion to a Soong-type android being buried on this planet? There plotholes everywhere in Nemesis but there are just so damn many in this particular area.

>>32487

>Related to this, there was also "Conundrum," in which Deanna beat Data at chess because she had a "creative playing style" or whatever the fuck.

>this move is so retarded. she must be bluffing, nobody is so stupid as to think this will work

>OH FUCK SHE ACTUALLY DID IT

>>33091

You can't "bluff" in chess, it's not poker, that's the whole point I was making. There's a a reason computers have been consistently been able to beat the world's best players for the past 25 years. There's a no bluffing or character reading involved.

>>33092

but you cannot think ahead of your enemy when moves that he makes are completly illogical

>>33086

B4 is still canon.

>>33093

The point is that illogical moves are inherently weak moves in chess.

>>33093

You literally can. Logical or not, there are only so many possible legal moves you can make from a given board configuration. Since you can control what that range of motion is through your own pieces, regardless of how "logical" or "illogical" your opponent is, a good player will funnel the range of possible moves down until the only moves your opponent can make are the ones that lead to victory, regardless of how "illogical" their style is. In that scene, notice how Data was immediately able to say "checkmate in 8 moves" after Troi's move?

>>33094

And so is the ENT "These are the voyages…" episode. What exactly is your point? He's still a pile of nonsensical inconsistencies, and Nemesis is still a garbage movie, regardless of canonical status.

>>33093

There are only so many moves that can be made at any given time. Someone like Data would have no problem seeing all possible moves for several moves. This is how Deep Blue worked. It 'just' calulated every move and the ideal countermove for as many turns as it could. Chess is a solvable game, like tic-tac-toe. There is a finite number of chess games, just like there is a finite number of tic-tac-toe. The difference is there are a handful of possible tic-tac-toe games. The most well known conservative lower bound for chess is called the Shannon number. It's 10^120. There are at least 10^120 possible chess games, and the actual number is probably considerably higher. This includes stupid, but technically legal moves. If you only go by "sensible" moves, the lower bound is about 10^40 moves. To put these two numbers into reference there are about 10^80 atoms in the universe.

It is hoped that one day we will have the computing power to brute force chess and discover the perfect chess strategy. It seems even Data does not have enough computing power to do this.