/strek/ - Star Trek

>>31649

I dunno, that seems to be pretty much how that guy would play that part. I forget his name, but he was in lots of shit in the 80's/90's.

>>31649

Troi is largely useless, but the one thing she is supposed to be able to do is pick out lies and emotional inconsistency. That's literally her only shtick.

>>31659

That worked for T'Pol and Seven though.

>>31659

That was a holdover from Roddenberry. Sirtis hated her onesies but they kept them until Jellico showed up.

>>31655

Troi existed to explain basic emotions and motivation to autists.

>>31660

That's because T'Pol and Seven were moderately attractive.

>>31660

T'Pol and Seven were special though. Troi was just another crew member. Her non-uniform outfit singled her out in a way that wasn't proportionate to her character.

>>31659

The R34 stories of her staging pegging therapy sessions in her quarters unironically flesh her out heavily as a character that provides good relief for the crew.

>>31649

Don't let the sun set on you here, zoomer. Jim Carrey stole his whole act from Matt Frewer's portrayal of Max Headroom.

>>31688

You can't just drop something like that and not elaborate on it, Hitler. Dubs demand you tell us more.

>>31695

Hmm, does this mean Matt Frewer > Jim Carrey? So TNG did nothing wrong… fascinating

>>31700

You know you can find it easily just by typing into (((google))) right?

>>31688

>The R34 stories of her staging pegging therapy sessions in her quarters unironically flesh her out heavily as a character that provides good relief for the crew.

Being bi, the mental image of an in-her-prime Marina Sirtis driving a nice thick dildo up my ass gets me hard as goddamn diamonds.

>>32059

I haven't found it yet.

>>32064

Being totally straight but liking things shoved in your ass doesn't make you bi.

>>32109

That's right, it makes you totally gay.

>>32111

Yeah, just like jerking off makes you totally gay because it's touching a dick.

>>32118

Wrong, because sodomy and onanism are different practices. But you are right that practicing sodomy won't make you gay, because homosexuality does not exist. You are a man like anyone else, your fetishes don't stem from any special identity.

>>32123

Well, that's not entirely true. If you're a butt pirate chances are you have a special identity as a pedo victim.

They have a device that can scan Data's brain, not rigged together, they just have it. For the android they don't know how to duplicate. They've also discovered braintaping in that episode but never mentioned it again.

>>32229

Tricorders can scan aliens they've never met, maybe it's pretty basic. Or maybe it came in the box with Data.

In "The Next Phase," the S5 episode where Ro and LaForge are phase-cloaked which is some pretty cool foreshadowing for the S7 Pegasus episode, they're described as having been phased out of normal matter, unable to interact with it. This means they can walk through walls, but conveniently the soles of their feet are not phased, and the floor is solid to them. They also don't suffocate despite being unable to breathe the air around them.

>>32347

There is no good in-universe explanation but I'm going to go with artificial gravity (aka magic) continuing to pull them to the floor and stopping them there.

>>32349

Yeah, I thought about that too, but that doesn't explain why they don't go accelerating through the deck and out the ventral area of the ship at a few hundred meters per second. It's really a scenario that only gets worse the more you think about it.

>>32350

Was the ship stationary that episode? Maybe the shields or deflectors kept everything inside their bubble internally consistent somehow. I'm fucking reaching man throw me a bone.

>>32361

I've thought about that too. There is no reaching here. The writers fucked up big.

>>32361

The ship was stationary, but Ro and LaForge got onto very much not stationary shuttles several times.

>>32366

This. They goofed hard.

>>31688

Seriously, I can't find this shit anywhere. Where was it posted?

>Kirk uses a photon mortar

>it works like a tac-nuke

>Jem'Hadar find an iconian gateway

>Sisko wants to bomb them from orbit, rattles off numbers in the megaton range and the reason he can't do it that way is the building it's in is made of neutronium

>Breen attack Earth, places with damage look more like it got hit by WWII-era CAS or something

>Bomar orbitally bombard the Raven

>does less damage than a modern-day mortar

>>32366

This, and SG1 dunked on them hard for it.

I think it was the episode where Picard "proved" not lol Data's sentience in court, Data claimed to have read every treatise available on playing poker, and yet didn't understand the concept of bluffing until he experienced it playing Riker et al.

So we're meant to believe he read MULTIPLE books on how to play poker, and none of them mentioned bluffing once? Other than weighing the odds of what you're going to get on the flop and the river (which Data should be able to do instantly without effort) there's almost nothing to learn about poker EXCEPT how to be bluff well. What a load.

>>32485

Related to this, there was also "Conundrum," in which Deanna beat Data at chess because she had a "creative playing style" or whatever the fuck. Not only is it retarded to have the most airheaded character be a good chessplayer, it's nonsensical when you understand how chess works even on the most plebeian of levels; it's absolutely a game where sheer speed of computation gives one an absolute advantage. You can't even blame this on poor knowledge of the future, not really–Deep Blue beat the reigning Grand Master only five years after this episode aired.

>>32485

I always assumed that he had read about it but it's the sort of thing one cant understand until one experiences it.

>>32487

This one gets me too, but most people don't consider chess to be that way. It's just a popular misconception.

>>32495

Maybe it's just selection bias from the sort of people I hung out with; even the artsy fartsy types were able to understand that whoever could think the most moves ahead in chess tends to win.

>>32485

That's why you should disregard anything related to Data's knowledge or skills from the first few seasons because they didn't know what they were doing. They couldn't figure out how to portray an all-knowing but inexperienced adult, so they just made him an autistic savant who didn't know certain things "just because". Like him failing to extract himself from a Chinese Finger-trap. Any child can understand how to do it by observation, and seeing how he surely knows literally ALL OF PHYSICS Data would, too. What happened was more like he was too obstinate to try a different strategy rather than just pulling on it (but not to hard to break it, apparently), which is clearly autistic-like behavior.

>>32487

Mildly related: neither Patrick Stewart nor Ian Mckellan know how to play chess, and couldn't be assed to learn, so every scene in the X-Men movies where they are playing, they just move random pieces around. It's not a stretch to assume literally nobody on the TNG writing staff knew how to play chess, either.

>>32495

For some reason, a lot of people think that chess is a bluffing game like poker. Too much to do about good players manipulating their opponent, and then they don't know what that means so assume it's some kind of mind-games, rather than just interrupting their flow and limiting their movement options while increasing your own.

>>32600

Huh, most people really are complete retards.

>>32600

Chess is very imbalanced anyway. Whites always win.

>Voyager visits Planet Jack Thompson

>literal no-bad-thoughts culture, any violent thoughts fuck with it intensely and inhabitants have no self-control, acting on any violent thought they telepathically pick up

>right between Krenim space and space pirate planet

>not isolated by omnipotent/deific ayy, technology, or space wedgie/hostile space terrain around their system

>thought police presumably have to physically restrain subjects at some point, which can presumably get violent

How does this work, exactly? How has nobody upset their order before, either through invasion, or through traders just idly thinking somebody with RBF looks punchable? You'd think if they had outside contact, they'd have a way of dealing with this before Voyager showed up.

I'll give a shit about Star Trek again when the Abrams movies, Discovery and Picard are removed from canon and forgotten about. There was no excuse for the time travel, Romulus being destroyed, the "what timeline is it?" mess of Discovery, none of it. Kick it all out.

Abrams has been kinder to Star Wars than Trek, and Orci & Kurtzman need to lose their Hollywood jobs(not that I'd object to an automobile accident removing them completely)

Voyager & Enterprise > Abrams canon.

If I tried to nitpick all of Nemesis this whole thread could go to 751 posts and I wouldn't even be done. So let's focus on B4. This short bus android doesn't make a lick of sense. Data's MILF told us every android before Lore an heroed from unstable positronic nets. Even if she lied for some reason, how did Shinzon get a hold of him? If the Tal Shiar somehow retrieved him from Omicron Theta, why didn't they take Data or Lore? Why did Shinzon choose to bury his parts on a desert planet in bumfuck nowhere? How was he so sure the Enterprise would pass by Planet Bumfuck? How does a deactivated positronic brain set off the Enterprise's long-range sensors, when not even an active android brain is detected by them normally? If the brain was modified by Shinzon to have a stronger output, why wasn't that stronger output detected? Why are discount Tusken Raiders guarding a random android in the desert? Since when are positrons, a relatively common form of antimatter which should be found in every warp core, only produced by android brains? Why doesn't anyone react with just a little bit of suspicion to a Soong-type android being buried on this planet? There plotholes everywhere in Nemesis but there are just so damn many in this particular area.

>>32487

>Related to this, there was also "Conundrum," in which Deanna beat Data at chess because she had a "creative playing style" or whatever the fuck.

>this move is so retarded. she must be bluffing, nobody is so stupid as to think this will work

>OH FUCK SHE ACTUALLY DID IT

>>33091

You can't "bluff" in chess, it's not poker, that's the whole point I was making. There's a a reason computers have been consistently been able to beat the world's best players for the past 25 years. There's a no bluffing or character reading involved.

>>33092

but you cannot think ahead of your enemy when moves that he makes are completly illogical

>>33086

B4 is still canon.

>>33093

The point is that illogical moves are inherently weak moves in chess.

>>33093

You literally can. Logical or not, there are only so many possible legal moves you can make from a given board configuration. Since you can control what that range of motion is through your own pieces, regardless of how "logical" or "illogical" your opponent is, a good player will funnel the range of possible moves down until the only moves your opponent can make are the ones that lead to victory, regardless of how "illogical" their style is. In that scene, notice how Data was immediately able to say "checkmate in 8 moves" after Troi's move?

>>33094

And so is the ENT "These are the voyages…" episode. What exactly is your point? He's still a pile of nonsensical inconsistencies, and Nemesis is still a garbage movie, regardless of canonical status.

>>33093

There are only so many moves that can be made at any given time. Someone like Data would have no problem seeing all possible moves for several moves. This is how Deep Blue worked. It 'just' calulated every move and the ideal countermove for as many turns as it could. Chess is a solvable game, like tic-tac-toe. There is a finite number of chess games, just like there is a finite number of tic-tac-toe. The difference is there are a handful of possible tic-tac-toe games. The most well known conservative lower bound for chess is called the Shannon number. It's 10^120. There are at least 10^120 possible chess games, and the actual number is probably considerably higher. This includes stupid, but technically legal moves. If you only go by "sensible" moves, the lower bound is about 10^40 moves. To put these two numbers into reference there are about 10^80 atoms in the universe.

It is hoped that one day we will have the computing power to brute force chess and discover the perfect chess strategy. It seems even Data does not have enough computing power to do this.