9bebb2 No.22723 [Last50 Posts]
Production company Paramount is in talks with S.J. Clarkson to direct the fourth installment in the rebooted film series starring Chris Pine and Zachary Quinto.
Clarkson directed episodes from TV series including "Dexter," "Bates Motel" and "Orange is the New Black," as well as the Marvel-based series "Jessica Jones" and "The Defenders."
http://www.dw.com/en/star-trek-4-to-be-directed-by-a-woman-for-the-first-time-sj-clarkson/a-43563117
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fb4372 No.22724
>Just a W away from completing the title
Eh what episodes did she direct actually? This could be skub tier. Quentin Cuckatino must be fuming though.
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9bebb2 No.22726
>>22724
Dexter (TV Series) (3 episodes)
- The Angel of Death (2011)
- Once Upon a Time… (2011)
- Hello, Dexter Morgan (2009)
Bates Motel (TV Series) (1 episode)
- The Man in Number 9 (2013) … (as SJ Clarkson)
Orange Is the New Black (TV Series) (1 episode)
- 40 Oz. of Furlough (2014)
Jessica Jones (TV Series) (2 episodes)
- AKA Crush Syndrome (2015)
- AKA Ladies Night (2015) … (as SJ Clarkson)
The Defenders (TV Series) (2 episodes)
- Mean Right Hook (2017) … (as SJ Clarkson)
- The H Word (2017) … (as SJ Clarkson)
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9bebb2 No.22728
>>22726
She directed a bunch of other things too but most of the shows she directed episodes for was for only a few episodes.
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1237416/
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c4d95b No.22730
>>22726
>Hello, Dexter Morgan
Mid-season climax of Season 4, which most consider one of the good ones
>Angel of Death
>Once Upon a time…
From season 6, which I remember being shit. These might have been among the couple good episodes in the season but I don't care enough to check.
>Jessica Jones
Season 1 was good shit, so no complaints there.
>The Defenders
Decidedly mediocre. Not horrible but not worthy of praise either. Haven't watched the other shit on the list so really can't comment.
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acee30 No.22733
>>22730
Isn’t Jessica Jones a coal burner?
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5b08a4 No.22736
>>22723
>"Orange is the New Black,"
This show is terrible, I can't believe she was even allowed to continue working after it.
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c4d95b No.22742
>>22733
Thought that happened later but you're right, she burned the coal in Episode 2 Personally I didn't think it detracted too much from the quality of the show. It was annoying and really unnecessary but not as bad as, say, the gungrabbing shit in Punisher.
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fd3c12 No.22744
>>22742
>Personally I didn't think it detracted too much from the quality of the show
Okay. We can ignore your assessment then because you’re a cuckold
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c4d95b No.22745
>>22744
Immediately after that:
>It was annoying and really unnecessary
Yeah, racemixing propaganda is better left out of entertainment but after enough repetitions it's hard not to be deadened by it. I wish it wasn't there of course, but REEEEing about it isn't going to make it go away at least not yet, got to move that overton window, so it's not really productive to do so.
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3f1ea3 No.22747
>she's never directed a movie before
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216982 No.22750
>>22723
Someone with such a painfully unamazing work history and no experience in sci-fi or even directing movies will surely do well taking on a damaged franchise that's badly in need of a movie that is at least moderately good and tolerable to fans.
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652c69 No.22754
>>22750
>implying the plan isn't to crash the franchise with no survivors, thus demoralizing intelligent, straight, white, males and simultaneously providing a "scalp" for the social justice agenda.
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b0c6b5 No.22760
>https://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/2018/04/27/sj-clarkson-set-become-first-female-director-star-trek-history/
>There is also a fifth Star Trek film being developed by JJ Abrams and Quentin Tarantino but Clarkson's film will be released first.
So this is virtue signalling, pure and simple, Tarantino and Abrams are working on the one they care about so just give the next one to some woman to earn good guy points and get free marketing.
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3b8477 No.22761
2019 but probably 2020 Star Trek 4. Then 2022 for Tarentino's Cuck Trek?
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5b08a4 No.22762
>>22761
If you like Star Trek at all this is a fucking nightmare.
How and why would they do this? Is it joke at the expense of fans? If so it's pretty mean spirited, there are pranks and then there's just being an asshole. I wonder which "Star Trek" will be worse 4 or 5?
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88539e No.22770
>>22762
5. Tarantino is going to try to add in stupid shit and be clever and edgy. The dyke is less of a known quantity but something tells me she’s more of a ‘get it shot’ type although it’ll probably be pretty pozzed.
At the very least, it isn’t Rian Johnson.
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2ba315 No.22772
>>22770
>At the very least, it isn’t Rian Johnson.
And at least it isn't paul feiggot, but coming up with worse things will not unfuck western sci fi in current era.
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6b1e34 No.22773
>>22750
>>22754
They're already doing that, it's called STD.
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38877c No.22774
>>22773
Five bucks says the next movie has more than one reference to STD.
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cfa1e4 No.22776
>>22747
Well neither has JewJew Abrams, he's only recreated movies.
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5963ac No.22781
>>22760
>first female director star trek history
Now that's just untrue, plenty of episodes have been directed by women. This is like when they tried to pretend Michael Burnham was the first black protagonist, nothing but blatant agenda pushing to people who they know probably won't check the facts.
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aae402 No.22788
>>22774
>Five bucks says the next movie has more than one reference to STD.
In which case it will inhabit the same, bizarre, alternate reality that STD comes from - and thus won't be canon.
>>22781
It's also written by people who don't give a shit, and who think that anyone who does give a shit is a pathetic waste of space.
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37dc8a No.22791
>>22723
From her picture alone I know that I will hate it. (and not going to watch it)
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fec3d9 No.22792
>>22791
>From her picture alone I know that I will hate it. (and not going to watch it)
Reported to the U.N. Council for the following crimes:
1 count of denying doubleplus good truth that the Future Is Female.
1 count of toxic mysogyny.
1 count of goodthink tax avoidance by not giving your shekels to pedowood your beloved franchise.
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bea756 No.22805
>>22788
>won't be canon
What makes you think it was canon in the first place? As far as I'm concerned, the reboot movies aren't canon. They might as well not exist. The first one was so shit I refused to see the sequels, and from what I hear I didn't miss anything.
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a6686b No.22806
>>22791
>From her picture alone I know that I will hate it.
She's 3/5 of the way there, but why hasn't she died her hair purple or prematurely gray yet? Also no nose ring. Does she still think she can fly under the radar and trick some people?
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20dd40 No.22807
>>22723
>>22806
Glimpse into the future, anon
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c64d53 No.22808
>>22807
lol
good work, should make it a banner.
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e05f03 No.22810
>>22807
>>22808
Why would you put "make it swole" in that image? That bitch goes against everything swoleness stands for.
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20dd40 No.22813
>>22810
Uh-oh. Found the problematic anon! Let me redefine swoleness for you in the upcoming mobie…
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d6f5fd No.22895
>>22808
She would make a good /tv/ banner too.
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694655 No.22900
>>22807
>>22810
>Why would you put "make it swole" in that image?
I have to agree. Do a reverse timeskip on your workflow and change it to "MAKE IT WOKE" or something…
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220a7d No.22910
>>22810
>>22900
Jeez, I'll change it alright.
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fec3d9 No.22911
>>22910
Can you change it to
make it soy
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220a7d No.22912
>>22911
I'll see what I can do
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e05f03 No.22913
>>22911
Holy shit, that's perfect!
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220a7d No.22921
Hope you damn faggots are happy now
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fec3d9 No.22922
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c64d53 No.22923
>>22921
I preferred the swole one because I am not above irony; but good job.
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9e3312 No.22925
Why on earth would any hollywood studio give a major franchise movie to someone without more than few episodes in each of a dozen shows, none of which have stood out to any real degree?
Its like they are throwing away their money.
The largest number of episodes she has done for a single show was fucking East Enders.
Who the fuck want's Star Trek The next generation of East Enders? Does the studios execs no longer want to make money or something?
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e1f24c No.22926
>>22925
It's a matter of risk. This bitch is much cheaper to hire, which is indicative of how much money they think this movie is going to make. Further, with someone like this they have multi-layered protection from criticism: if they movie is a flop, and makes even less money than projected, this director can deflect any criticism with her magical vagina shield. And if that ends up backfiring (which given the current climate is seeming increasingly likely), she's a no-namer with no industry connections that can be thrown under the bus with few repercussions, meaning the studio can direct the fan's rage at her instead of at the studio.
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8df5c2 No.22927
Star Trek IV: The Soy-age home
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d6f5fd No.22931
>>22927
Star Trek The Soy Picture
Star Trek II: The Wrath of Soy
Star Trek III: The Search for Soy
Star Trek V: The Soy Frontier
Star Trek VI: The Soy Country
Star Trek VII: Soy Contact
Star Trek VIII: InSoyrection
Star Trek IX: Nemisoy
Star Trek 2009 Directed by Jew Jew(Do I have to even try here?)
Star Trek into Soy
Star Trek Beyond Soy
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658df6 No.22935
>>22931
TBH the pornographic names are more entertaining.
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e05f03 No.22936
>>22935
Well, the porn names actually had to be clever. Just sticking soy in somewhere isn't very hard. It took one poster about ten seconds to do every movie. In the porn name thread it actually took awhile and people had to think about it.
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fec3d9 No.22937
>>22931
>>22927
Even at half an effort those titles are still more entertaining than nearly all by that I mean 99.99999% of nu trek material.
Sensible chuckle award goes to ST-VIII.
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a52170 No.22955
>>22733
>Isn’t Jessica Jones a coal burner?
the entire show revolves around white men being portrayed as pathetic or evil. there's not a single self-possessed and sympathetic white male, even including walk-on characters that appear for fewer than 30 seconds, on the entire show. but yes she also fucks a black guy.
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61bda3 No.22963
>>22807
Misses one thing. She could also have those stupid ear stretching plugs.
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61bda3 No.22964
>>22925
>Why on earth would any hollywood studio give a major franchise movie to someone without more than few episodes in each of a dozen shows, none of which have stood out to any real degree?
That kind of directors are obedient to their producer and studio executive overlords.
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f5437f No.23008
>>22810
If you expand the image she's actually a wrestler.
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9198ad No.23078
>>22723
People in this thread are ignoring why they're hiring an inexperienced director
The people who finance these films aren't retards. This is a trend in modern filmmaking where you take an inexperienced director and make them do a blockbuster. You can see this most disastrously with Fant4Stick where they took a guy who only made a single film before and made him do a superhero film. The reason these studio execs do this is because an inexperienced director is significantly more likely to do what the studio wants. An experienced director like Christopher Nolan is much more likely to throw his weight around and go "fuck no" to decisions the studio makes. A really good example is Nolan refused to add things into his movies purely to sell a toy, like the previous Batman films did.
They also do it because it's very easy to threaten to fire the director if they don't play ball, and if the film fails they're a very easy scapegoat and you can just find someone else to do the next one.
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a52170 No.23136
>>23078
In this case they have an easily-controllable director whose resume consists entirely of SJW propaganda. I'm excited for the future of Star Trek!
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5129b8 No.23137
>>23078 holy fucking shit you are Right(c)
Maybe the Orville is our final hope.
It would be sad if Family Guy In Space was the last stand of implicit Trek TV….
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234bf3 No.23140
>>23137
Well, when truth is threatened, the joker is the last one allowed to tell it, so it seems only fitting.
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5eab91 No.23144
>>23140
To be fair, you have to have a high IQ to understand the plot of STD.
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a6686b No.23163
>>22807
I do not want this, and wholeheartedly reject.
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a6686b No.23164
>>22925
Optix
>>22931
Make it soy.
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6ca75f No.23168
>>22723
>there was a time when star wars and star trek fans fought each other.
>now we're united in our hatred of a single jew
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735b82 No.23169
>>23168
Funny, how in the end the jew is always found to be the real culprit.
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a6686b No.23170
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6d6fbe No.23173
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658df6 No.23174
>>23170
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand STD. The humour is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer’s head. There’s also STDs nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into the characterisation- black chicks personal philosophy draws heavily from Narodnaya Volya literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realise that they’re not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike STD truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn’t appreciate, for instance, the humour in black chicks existential staring dumbly at the camera, which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev’s Russian epic Fathers and Sons. I’m smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Kurtzman’s genius wit unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools.. how I pity them.
And yes, by the way, i DO have an STD tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It’s for the ladies’ eyes only- and even then they have to demonstrate that they’re within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid.
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732a64 No.23253
>>23174
So you are saying STD is a joke?
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a6686b No.23286
>>23173
>typical STD fan
Are there any? Despite being in the Star Trek community I've never encountered one. STD isn't terrible, but it leaves much to be desired. Who are the fans? and where are they?
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d1beee No.23301
>>23286
>Who are the fans?
Last I saw it was mostly 'critics' who endorsed how current year hip and (((diverse))) it is.
>and where are they?
Not so curiously most of them are silent and didn't say any further word about it after the first episode. It's almost like they are paid off reviews\reviewers who never watched or understood trek in the first place. Shirley that can't happen amirite?
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6ca75f No.23306
>>23169
it was always the ferengi and toydarians.
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60395d No.23312
>>23306
Toydarians are arabs, not jews. I'm not really sure who the star wars version of jews are, but the jedi certainly have some of the traits and their extermination is further evidence that the empire are the true heroes.
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eb1fb5 No.23319
>>23286
>Are there any?
Trek subreddit or on Trekmovie (if you don't say that you love diversity or if you criticize STD you're automatically labeled as a Trump supporter).
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a6686b No.23321
>>23319
>subreddit
I realize that a lot of image board users say they hate Reddit yet regularly visit the site on the side, but I genuinely do not care for it and avoid subreddit shit links when a search engine suggests them.
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a52170 No.23324
>>23319
>(if you don't say that you love diversity or if you criticize STD you're automatically labeled as a Trump supporter)
well, in fairness
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eab7c0 No.23325
>>23312
>star wars version of jews
Muun. They run the Intergalactic Banking Clan.
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c29f33 No.23327
>>23325
>even though they were part of the CIS, the IGBC continued to exist well after the Clone Wars ended
>they backed the currencies for both sides in the Clone Wars, and the currency used by the Empire
>after the Empire fractured they continued to back both the Imperial Remnant AND the New Republic's currencies
I think we have a race even more Jewish than the Ferengi.
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d7fe73 No.23337
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4b69ed No.23349
>>23337
The Republic and the CIS were both controlled opposition. So many choices.
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60395d No.23358
>>23325
>>23327
Hang on, why is it called the Intergalactic Banking Clan? Have the Muun made contact with another galaxy but haven't told anyone because it's more profitable that way?
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9e2f09 No.23359
>>23358
Technically it's InterGalactic™. It's the name of their company, some ancient Muun exec's polling data probably showed that focus groups responded better to futuristic-sounding names.
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c3bd48 No.23376
>>23359
>>23358
Well there are the Firefist Galaxy, the Rishi Maze, and a number of other satellites nearby.
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eb1fb5 No.23384
>>23358
intergalactic banking clan means that they work at the galactic scale, not in a small sector.
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701620 No.23385
>>23358
There's a sub galaxy in the Star Wars universe.
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e05f03 No.23390
>>23384
That would be intragalactic. Intergalactic means between two or more seperate galaxies.
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571d69 No.23425
>>23385
There's seven actually that orbit the main galaxy.
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811f88 No.23618
>>23253
STD is both a joke and a description for one of many diseases that regularly kill mostly faggots and shitskins.
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c10e16 No.23626
>>23618
DISCOVERY GAVE ME AIDS!
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6b5e31 No.25115
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2deed0 No.25117
Star Trek was always cucked New Society globalist claptrap
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2deed0 No.25118
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8259a3 No.25123
>>23626
>Dying
One of the lucky ones tbh.
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83b8ad No.25125
>>23337
Didn't Quark go trans in that one episode of DS:9? Reported for tranniephobia!
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eba765 No.25127
>>22726
>dexter
>three of the worst episodes i remember
Never heard of bates motel
>bull dykes in prison : a softcore lesbo episodical
>womyn stronk da series
Never heard of defenders.
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6c0fc3 No.25806
Pine and Hemsworth might not appear in Star Trek 4.
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d88aa9 No.25810
>>25806
It's fuckin deeeeeaaaaad. I guess they don't want to put money on this dying series, now that there's a possible Tarantino movie, and TNG revival on the cards.
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9d5c78 No.25813
>>25810
Is there ANY HOPE for the future of Trek
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0eea5b No.25814
>>25813
there was never much hope, just a fool's hope
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570753 No.25815
>>25806
This could just be a negotiation tactics by Paramount or the actors. I think they will kick out Hemsworth and write him out of the script, but they will keep Pine and pay him what he wants. I always thought Saldana would be the first one to go before Pine. There is just too many capeshit actors that cost too much for a franchise that doesn't bring in the capeshit money.
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6ba850 No.25818
>>25813
Swoleverse Show
Other than that? Marc Aliamo creating a Detective Dukat series
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732a64 No.25819
>>25806
Will they replace them with the Shat-Man?
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5e855b No.26026
>>23144
>>23140
>>23174
"tt5691552" on IMDb is actually The Orville…
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9efe70 No.28627
>>25115
Wasn't the original female villain the Borg Queen? Its not like new ground is being broken here.
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d88aa9 No.28629
So this is dead as fuck now, right?
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da5bfe No.28630
>>28629
Yes. The failure of the third Kelvin movie killed it, ultimately. Paramount had to attempt renegotiate contracts to lower their costs but the actors wouldn't budge, so the project was shelved.
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076523 No.28638
>>28629
Yeah the JJ timeline is dead. Bad Robot is supposed to lose their rights this year if they have no movie in production.
>>23140
>>26026
>"from Canada"
It could be someone from the STD crew.
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9d34f4 No.28639
>>28630
There's a lot of debate on this.
Both the 2009 and "Into Darkness" films were profitable, but they were not liked by fans. Critics were mostly ok on it.
"Beyond" was written by Simon Pegg, who is a big Trek fan. I really enjoyed "Beyond", as did a number of other Trek fans. Even RLM liked Beyond for basically being the Trek film which was deserved. The caveat, was that "Beyond" bombed in the box office, and continued to be unprofitable even into DVD, Blu Ray and digital releases. It's worth mentioning that most critics didn't like how "talky" Beyond was, accusing it of being boring at lot of the time.
Combined with the fact that the cast had only received contracts for 3 films, people like Chris Pine demanded higher pay, while others like Karl Urban were more than happy to appear in another film.
Basically, if it's not action schlock, critics and the general public won't be interested in going to see it. If it's action schlock, Star Trek fans won't like it. We're left in a situation where as a franchise, Star Trek has become a niche, and I don't know who to blame for it. Marvel/Disney has turned what was a good film, Iron Man, and they turned that into a "Cinematic Universe", which is basically devoid of critical thought, something Star Trek uses for most of its material, and at the same time dull, boring films like Transformers and the Fast and Furious has made action schlock profitable.
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076523 No.28642
>>28639
>Star Trek has become a niche
Here's the problem: Star Trek was always a niche. It got co-opted and became something different with The Big Bang Theory and the rise of the fake geek/FunkoPop crowd.
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9d34f4 No.28650
>>28642
>Star Trek was always a niche
Not exactly. In the 1960s, after inital airing and syndication later through reruns, Star Trek was a highly popular series with all sorts of people. That's the reason why The Motion Picture got commissioned. In part, this was in response to Star Wars, but The Motion Picture in 1979 was a box office hit.
Gene Roddenberry's approach to The Next Generation, in particular avoiding TV networks for inital broadcast, was as as result of his poor experience with NBC, who first moved Star Trek from a Saturday night slot to a Friday night one, and resulted in him, D.C. Fontana and a number of other writers and producers leaving Star Trek in its 3rd season. With TNG not being on a TV network, Roddenberry had a much higher creative power over TNG, which arguably lead to the disaster which was Season 1. But since it wasn't on a TV network, TNG didn't get cancelled early on. The producers did the same tactic with DS9. Voyager was the return to network TV, I think with UPN which continued through to Enterprise. Voyager was highly popular with audiences, but it wasn't as well received in re-runs unlike the Original Series and TNG.
The thing is that Star Trek has been able to appeal to the mass market, but I think the mass market today is a lot different to the one which was around for both TOS and TNG, as well as DS9 and VOY. Enterprise was when Star Trek moved into much more of a niche audience, and the analysists point to franchise fatigue and the fact that the people who kept watching were Star Trek fans.
Hell, looking at the fan petitions and the protests which took place outside of the Paramount studios when Enterprise's cancellation was announced, it looked more like fans were the only people wanting it to stay. Meanwhile, the general population had moved on, and I think the likes of crime dramas (see: CSI, NCIS, Law and Order, etc) became the new flavour of the decade.
The Big Bang Theory did play a part of sort of reviving Star Trek. I actually enjoyed the first 2-3 season of TBBT, because it was a genuinely funny show back then, but it then just shifted into situation comedy and "lol, so random". It's one thing to make good jokes about the weirdness of academia and sci-fi, but after a while, to appeal to a mass market, you're going to need to dumb things down, and TBBT did that. Funko was just a side-effect of the era, when somehow these "geeky" things became cool again. I must say that Funko Pops have pretty lacklustre build quality, but seeing video game, comic book and other such stores basically turn half their shop floor into Funko stuff has been depressing.
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d88aa9 No.28657
>>28639
Was Beyond really that much better? It felt like basically the same movie as the others, aka a blatant attempt to remake Wrath of Kahn.
>mentally unstable renegade with a tragic past has a vendetta against someone.
Maybe the chracters were a bit less memey and all, but I'm so tired of that plot.
What exactly makes Beyond stand out as being the best one? Because I'm struggling to think.
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5eab91 No.28658
>>28650
I remember discussing with some friends as I was trying to determine the appeal of Funkos and why they're being sold everywhere, even when I have rarely if ever seen anyone actually buy one. We only came up with two reasons why they're everywhere. First is that they're super cheap to produce, and thus cheap to sell. This appeals to normies who want a figure of whatever pop culture thing they're into, especially if they want several. A passionate fan wouldn't see a problem with plunking down $50-100 on a high-quality figure, while normies would rather spend the same amount and get a bunch of shitty Funkos because quantity > quality to them.
The second reason is that their simplistic form factor makes it incredibly easy for Funko to pump out a bunch of figures for any property, from the main characters to side characters to background extras. Thus, Funkos are often the only way to get a figure if you're looking for something that's relatively obscure. And it's not like they're out that much money if something doesn't sell thanks to the economies of scale, so they can afford to throw everything at the wall regardless of if it sticks.
Beyond that, though, it's sad how you see those crappy dead-eyed figures literally everywhere. One can only pray it's just a fad.
>>28657
Admittedly, Beyond is not without its faults, the biggest being that it's yet another attempt to rehash Wrath of Khan as you said. But Beyond had its good points as well, the biggest being that all of the main cast were given time to shine, and it wasn't just Kirk and Spock Blow Things Up (also the others are here I guess). Splitting everyone up and giving each of them a story arc made for a more interesting movie.
It also had more of a sense of fun about it, rather than being faux-edgy like J.J.'s movies, and it dialed back on the REMEMBER STAR TREK references substantially. It still doesn't hold a candle to the earlier Trek films, but it was much more entertaining than the first two nu-Trek movies. It's a shame that they seem to have killed the franchise again after that movie, because it was the only one that I enjoyed throughout.
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9d34f4 No.28664
>>28657
>Was Beyond really that much better?
In my opinion, it was leagues better than the previous two films. The first one just went "what was their character in the Original Series? just set that to 11". The second one just had the character be bland, and in this one, the characters actually feel like they're humans……. even Spock (half-human).
>blatant attempt to remake Wrath of Kahn
I would disagree. Khan is a complicated character to bring up. Even if you think of the Space Seed and then the Star Trek II arc, the whole aspect was more that Khan wanted revenge against Kirk specifically for marooning him on Ceti Alpha V and indirectly leading to his (non-Augment) wife dying.
Star Trek Into Darkness was the most blatant of rehashes. "Hey look, it's literally Khan, only we made him a white English dude that the teenage girls love!" In that one, Khan just was evil because he was just evil. While his motivation was over his fellow Augments being kept in suspended animation and him thinking they had been killed, Khan had nothing specifically against Kirk…. or Spock….. or really anyone on the Enterprise. Instead, he just focussed his evil plan on John Frederick Paxton……. er….. I mean….. Admiral Markus (same actor, plus he doesn't even change his character).
Beyond had a guy who used to be a MACO, who later received a Starfleet commission once the UFP was founded. Most of his stuff was unclear, but he just developed a grudge against the Federation and Starfleet for "abandoning" him, even though Starfleet never actually knew where he and his crew disappeared to. I think he just went insane and then pledged to destroy the Federation…. Idris Elba was…. ok…. His acting was dull, but ultimately, he had the typical Trek villian issue which all the Trek films, except Wrath of Khan, suffer from. Well…. maybe except Nemesis.
I guess the writers didn't frame Krall just going mad well, so he just seemed to appear to want revenge on the Federation, when he was a paranoid soldier who never should have been made a captain, who went batshit insane whenever he was stranded on some planet.
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d88aa9 No.28673
>>28664
What I like about the original movies, and maybe to a lesser extent the TNG movies, is they all have different plots
1- The crew finds a mysterious alien lifeform out in space
2- A man from Kirk's past comes back for revenge
3- Pretty much Klingons being regular Klingons
4- A time travel comedy where the crew is tasked with saving a whale
5- Spocks crazy half brother shows up and commandeers the Enterprise in his search for God
6- Kirk is framed for a crime he didn't commit
In the reboot series you have
1- Dude with a tragic past is angry at Spock
2- Dude with tragic past is angry at Klingons
3- Dude with tragic past is angry at the Federation
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9d34f4 No.28674
>>28673
You're sort of oversimplifying some of the films, and totally missing the point on several others
>The Motion Picture
You're pretty much on point
>II: Wrath of Khan
Basically a sequel to the TOS episode "Space Seed"
>III: Search For Spock
Genesis Planet and the Genesis Project become widespread knowledge, Klingons openly and covertly carry out stuff, also Spock has sex and does other weird stuff, also the Enterprise is destroyed
>IV: Journey Home
Mysterious alien life form wants to talk to whales, then you're pretty much on point
>V: Final Frontier
People going out on the search for god (Cybok was overall unimportant)
>VI: Undiscovered Country
Praxis, the moon of Kronos blows up, Klingon Empire and Federation starts the Khitomer Accords, Romulans get in the way
>Generations
Some crazy El Aurian wants to get into "The Nexus", and will stop at nothing to get into it. Kirk and Picard find themselves both in The Nexus and talk about being captains, also Enterprise-D gets destroyed
>First Contact
Borg try to invade Earth again, but they try to use time travel to stop the first warp flight, and kill Zefram Cochrane, preventing First Contact from happening
>Insurrection
Data goes wild in a "Who Watches the Watchers" paralell, only leading into a morally ambigious area, where Picard turns into Bruce Willis, the action hero
>Nemesis
Picard's genetic clone takes over Romulus with Reman support, but plans to take out his rage on everything, but needs Picard's DNA to fix his botched cloning
>Star Trek '09
Romulan randos who survived the destruction of Romulus following the supernova event of its star somehow find themselves having time travelled and then proceed to fuck up the timeline. They proceed to take out their anger at losing their homeworld, family and friends by using their 24th century tech to destroy as much of the Federation as possible, starting with Vulcan
>Into Darkness
Khan's discovery isn't by the Enterprise and Kirk in this fucked up timeline, but by Section 31 instead, who proceeds to use Khan as an agent to carry out dirty work for them, using his fellow Augments as leverage agaist him. Khan proceeds to try everything in his power to destroy Admiral Markus and Starfleet in order to get his fellow Augments back.
>Beyond
At some point in the past (possibly before the timeline was fucked up by the Romulans), a Starfleet ship crashes onto some desolate planet. The crew never gets rescued and the former soldier, turned captain, loses his mind, becomes paranoid and starts blaming the Federation for his distress call never getting received. Same captain discovers ancient technology on the planet they're on, and mutate themselves to gain long lives, sacrificing crew members.
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d88aa9 No.28675
>>28674
Well yeah, I'm simplifying. The point is the original films have all kinds of varied themes and villains, if they really have a villain at all, and the reboot movies all tend to focus on the crew battling with guys who are butthurt about something or other.
Say if Star Trek 4 were part of the reboot series, the alien probe would be some dude who's mad as fuck about whales because they killed his puppy or something, and he wants to blow up all of the whales with his battleship.
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9d34f4 No.28676
>>28675
>the reboot movies all tend to focus on the crew battling with guys who are butthurt about something or other
I could say the same about the guy (I forget his name) from Generation and Shinzon from Nemesis though.
The villian from Generations was angry because he didn't get into The Nexus, and would even destroy solar systems to get into something that both Picard and Kirk didn't really want to be inside.
Shinzon was far more unexplained. Taking his anger out on the Romulans made sense, and him going out on some genocidal plot to wipe out the Romulan species would have been the best way to do it. But nope, he just wants to destroy earth for no reason…. As much as I liked Nemesis and Shinzon, that plot point just didn't make sense.
Most Trek villians outside of DS9 were for the most part, just really angry and wanted to destroy earth or some planet. There are exceptions, but even the Borg suffer from this, because once they come across Species 8472, all they want to do is launch an all out assault on them, while only sending a whole 2 Borg cubes for the Federation (albeit that one of them had a Sphere on board and had planned to time travel anyway). Enterprise's villians were mostly sensible. Except the Sphere Builders and the Xindi Reptilians, total Trek trope villians there.
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d88aa9 No.28677
>>28676
The TNG movies are weaker. At the very least you have First Contact though.
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426311 No.28678
The last good Star Trek movie villain was Chang.
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9d34f4 No.28680
>>28678
To be fair, he was getting help from the Romulans.
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67ac6f No.28681
>>22723
Is it a woman like a star trek nerdy woman?
Or a woman as in someone who has never seen star trek before but she will make dam sure everyone watching the film will learn plenty of lessons about feminism.
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426311 No.28682
>>28680
Not really. The Romulan ambassador was in on the conspiracy but that doesn't mean much.
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9d34f4 No.28683
>>28681
See >>22730, >>22726, >>22728
Her career mostly started up with British TV dramas, which if you're not from the UK, you will never have even heard of. She did end up hopping between US TV dramas later on, but really only directing an episode or two before moving on.
She also co-created and wrote a British TV drama about 4 women who have affairs? I think? And then she was later involved in writing the US version.
Her experience in sci-fi is limited, arguably, to one British TV series about some police officer who, for some reason (I'm not sure), finds himself in the 1970s.
Let's see what this produces. As much as I would say that I'm skeptical, ultimately, a competent director who has no experience with a franchise can bring in positive and fresh changes. Or… they can make a dog's dinner with it…. Let's just see. As far as I can tell, there's nothing to say that she is goes on about "muh feminism", but getting angry about women existing is probably the dumbest thing to be angry about.
Weird thing… she reminds me of a lecturer in film and history I used to have.
>>28682
I don't think it was ever really made clear who was in on the conspiracy and who wasn't. The Romulans were, but I suspect that was because peace between the UFP and the Klingon Empire would have lead to a unified front against the Romulan Star Empire, but there were people in the Federation, including Starfleet admirals and officers, who were also in the conspiracy to sabotage the Accords.
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426311 No.28686
>>28683
>I don't think it was ever really made clear who was in on the conspiracy and who wasn't.
Kim Cattrall knew all the names. Spock got them all during the mind meld and announced them.
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bc1c69 No.29251
>>22723
Dear God, why can't women leave us alone to our silly science stories?
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7e1fd2 No.29267
>>29251
Maybe because women have always been involved in our sily science stories?
Pic Related is DC Fontana, who was a main writer, producer and editor for Star Trek TOS and TAS. She was the second in command for all things related to Star Trek creatively, behind Roddenberry, of course.
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825dd9 No.29280
>>29251
You gotta admit though, the feminists have ruined women's entertainment worse than they've done ours. It's all STRONK INNAPENDEN WUMMIN DON"T NEED NO MAN from here to the horizon. Maybe if there was a Twilight or a 50 Shades of Grey more than once a decade, the majority of women would happily leave us to our sci-fi shit (except actually nerdy goblin women, they're ok)
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e1f24c No.29281
>>29280
>Maybe if there was a Twilight or a 50 Shades of Grey more than once a decade
Can't they just rewatch the old stuff forever? It's all the same shit.
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825dd9 No.29294
>>29281
>Can't they just rewatch the old stuff forever? It's all the same shit.
Apparently, as I understand it, it's a bit like guys and porn, chasing constant novelty and all that. Besides, I guess women would want ones where the clothes are still in style.
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25d571 No.29300
>>29294
>I guess women would want ones where the clothes are still in style.
I think it's something loike this, but more to do with subtle fashions in moviemaking itself? For example, every twenty years they release a new Pride & Prejudice, and it's not because the costumes are any different.
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e5803f No.29324
>>29300
That's because Mr Darcy is a stud and every girl wants a rich Aristocrat Boyfriend who treats them like shit yet a Princess.
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592f46 No.30006
>>28674
>descriptions for the reboot movies are much longer than the ones for the OG ones
Makes you think.
>>28676
>I could say the same about the guy (I forget his name) from Generation and Shinzon from Nemesis though.
No shit, everybody pretty much agrees that they are bad-to-shit. First Contact, too.
>>28683
movies. >but getting angry about women existing is probably the dumbest thing to be angry about.
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