/strek/ - Star Trek

>>23359

>>23358

Well there are the Firefist Galaxy, the Rishi Maze, and a number of other satellites nearby.

>>23358

intergalactic banking clan means that they work at the galactic scale, not in a small sector.

>>23358

There's a sub galaxy in the Star Wars universe.

>>23384

That would be intragalactic. Intergalactic means between two or more seperate galaxies.

>>23385

There's seven actually that orbit the main galaxy.

>>23253

STD is both a joke and a description for one of many diseases that regularly kill mostly faggots and shitskins.

>>23618

DISCOVERY GAVE ME AIDS!

Star Trek was always cucked New Society globalist claptrap

>>25117

*Great Society

>>23626

>Dying

One of the lucky ones tbh.

>>23337

Didn't Quark go trans in that one episode of DS:9? Reported for tranniephobia!

>>22726

>dexter

>three of the worst episodes i remember

Never heard of bates motel

>bull dykes in prison : a softcore lesbo episodical

>womyn stronk da series

Never heard of defenders.

>>25806

It's fuckin deeeeeaaaaad. I guess they don't want to put money on this dying series, now that there's a possible Tarantino movie, and TNG revival on the cards.

>>25810

Is there ANY HOPE for the future of Trek

>>25813

there was never much hope, just a fool's hope

>>25806

This could just be a negotiation tactics by Paramount or the actors. I think they will kick out Hemsworth and write him out of the script, but they will keep Pine and pay him what he wants. I always thought Saldana would be the first one to go before Pine. There is just too many capeshit actors that cost too much for a franchise that doesn't bring in the capeshit money.

>>25813

Swoleverse Show

Other than that? Marc Aliamo creating a Detective Dukat series

>>25806

Will they replace them with the Shat-Man?

>>23144

>>23140

>>23174

"tt5691552" on IMDb is actually The Orville…

>>25115

Wasn't the original female villain the Borg Queen? Its not like new ground is being broken here.

So this is dead as fuck now, right?

>>28629

Yes. The failure of the third Kelvin movie killed it, ultimately. Paramount had to attempt renegotiate contracts to lower their costs but the actors wouldn't budge, so the project was shelved.

>>28629

Yeah the JJ timeline is dead. Bad Robot is supposed to lose their rights this year if they have no movie in production.

>>23140

>>26026

>"from Canada"

It could be someone from the STD crew.

>>28630

There's a lot of debate on this.

Both the 2009 and "Into Darkness" films were profitable, but they were not liked by fans. Critics were mostly ok on it.

"Beyond" was written by Simon Pegg, who is a big Trek fan. I really enjoyed "Beyond", as did a number of other Trek fans. Even RLM liked Beyond for basically being the Trek film which was deserved. The caveat, was that "Beyond" bombed in the box office, and continued to be unprofitable even into DVD, Blu Ray and digital releases. It's worth mentioning that most critics didn't like how "talky" Beyond was, accusing it of being boring at lot of the time.

Combined with the fact that the cast had only received contracts for 3 films, people like Chris Pine demanded higher pay, while others like Karl Urban were more than happy to appear in another film.

Basically, if it's not action schlock, critics and the general public won't be interested in going to see it. If it's action schlock, Star Trek fans won't like it. We're left in a situation where as a franchise, Star Trek has become a niche, and I don't know who to blame for it. Marvel/Disney has turned what was a good film, Iron Man, and they turned that into a "Cinematic Universe", which is basically devoid of critical thought, something Star Trek uses for most of its material, and at the same time dull, boring films like Transformers and the Fast and Furious has made action schlock profitable.

>>28639

>Star Trek has become a niche

Here's the problem: Star Trek was always a niche. It got co-opted and became something different with The Big Bang Theory and the rise of the fake geek/FunkoPop crowd.

>>28642

>Star Trek was always a niche

Not exactly. In the 1960s, after inital airing and syndication later through reruns, Star Trek was a highly popular series with all sorts of people. That's the reason why The Motion Picture got commissioned. In part, this was in response to Star Wars, but The Motion Picture in 1979 was a box office hit.

Gene Roddenberry's approach to The Next Generation, in particular avoiding TV networks for inital broadcast, was as as result of his poor experience with NBC, who first moved Star Trek from a Saturday night slot to a Friday night one, and resulted in him, D.C. Fontana and a number of other writers and producers leaving Star Trek in its 3rd season. With TNG not being on a TV network, Roddenberry had a much higher creative power over TNG, which arguably lead to the disaster which was Season 1. But since it wasn't on a TV network, TNG didn't get cancelled early on. The producers did the same tactic with DS9. Voyager was the return to network TV, I think with UPN which continued through to Enterprise. Voyager was highly popular with audiences, but it wasn't as well received in re-runs unlike the Original Series and TNG.

The thing is that Star Trek has been able to appeal to the mass market, but I think the mass market today is a lot different to the one which was around for both TOS and TNG, as well as DS9 and VOY. Enterprise was when Star Trek moved into much more of a niche audience, and the analysists point to franchise fatigue and the fact that the people who kept watching were Star Trek fans.

Hell, looking at the fan petitions and the protests which took place outside of the Paramount studios when Enterprise's cancellation was announced, it looked more like fans were the only people wanting it to stay. Meanwhile, the general population had moved on, and I think the likes of crime dramas (see: CSI, NCIS, Law and Order, etc) became the new flavour of the decade.

The Big Bang Theory did play a part of sort of reviving Star Trek. I actually enjoyed the first 2-3 season of TBBT, because it was a genuinely funny show back then, but it then just shifted into situation comedy and "lol, so random". It's one thing to make good jokes about the weirdness of academia and sci-fi, but after a while, to appeal to a mass market, you're going to need to dumb things down, and TBBT did that. Funko was just a side-effect of the era, when somehow these "geeky" things became cool again. I must say that Funko Pops have pretty lacklustre build quality, but seeing video game, comic book and other such stores basically turn half their shop floor into Funko stuff has been depressing.

>>28639

Was Beyond really that much better? It felt like basically the same movie as the others, aka a blatant attempt to remake Wrath of Kahn.

>mentally unstable renegade with a tragic past has a vendetta against someone.

Maybe the chracters were a bit less memey and all, but I'm so tired of that plot.

What exactly makes Beyond stand out as being the best one? Because I'm struggling to think.

>>28650

I remember discussing with some friends as I was trying to determine the appeal of Funkos and why they're being sold everywhere, even when I have rarely if ever seen anyone actually buy one. We only came up with two reasons why they're everywhere. First is that they're super cheap to produce, and thus cheap to sell. This appeals to normies who want a figure of whatever pop culture thing they're into, especially if they want several. A passionate fan wouldn't see a problem with plunking down $50-100 on a high-quality figure, while normies would rather spend the same amount and get a bunch of shitty Funkos because quantity > quality to them.

The second reason is that their simplistic form factor makes it incredibly easy for Funko to pump out a bunch of figures for any property, from the main characters to side characters to background extras. Thus, Funkos are often the only way to get a figure if you're looking for something that's relatively obscure. And it's not like they're out that much money if something doesn't sell thanks to the economies of scale, so they can afford to throw everything at the wall regardless of if it sticks.

Beyond that, though, it's sad how you see those crappy dead-eyed figures literally everywhere. One can only pray it's just a fad.

>>28657

Admittedly, Beyond is not without its faults, the biggest being that it's yet another attempt to rehash Wrath of Khan as you said. But Beyond had its good points as well, the biggest being that all of the main cast were given time to shine, and it wasn't just Kirk and Spock Blow Things Up (also the others are here I guess). Splitting everyone up and giving each of them a story arc made for a more interesting movie.

It also had more of a sense of fun about it, rather than being faux-edgy like J.J.'s movies, and it dialed back on the REMEMBER STAR TREK references substantially. It still doesn't hold a candle to the earlier Trek films, but it was much more entertaining than the first two nu-Trek movies. It's a shame that they seem to have killed the franchise again after that movie, because it was the only one that I enjoyed throughout.

>>28657

>Was Beyond really that much better?

In my opinion, it was leagues better than the previous two films. The first one just went "what was their character in the Original Series? just set that to 11". The second one just had the character be bland, and in this one, the characters actually feel like they're humans……. even Spock (half-human).

>blatant attempt to remake Wrath of Kahn

I would disagree. Khan is a complicated character to bring up. Even if you think of the Space Seed and then the Star Trek II arc, the whole aspect was more that Khan wanted revenge against Kirk specifically for marooning him on Ceti Alpha V and indirectly leading to his (non-Augment) wife dying.

Star Trek Into Darkness was the most blatant of rehashes. "Hey look, it's literally Khan, only we made him a white English dude that the teenage girls love!" In that one, Khan just was evil because he was just evil. While his motivation was over his fellow Augments being kept in suspended animation and him thinking they had been killed, Khan had nothing specifically against Kirk…. or Spock….. or really anyone on the Enterprise. Instead, he just focussed his evil plan on John Frederick Paxton……. er….. I mean….. Admiral Markus (same actor, plus he doesn't even change his character).

Beyond had a guy who used to be a MACO, who later received a Starfleet commission once the UFP was founded. Most of his stuff was unclear, but he just developed a grudge against the Federation and Starfleet for "abandoning" him, even though Starfleet never actually knew where he and his crew disappeared to. I think he just went insane and then pledged to destroy the Federation…. Idris Elba was…. ok…. His acting was dull, but ultimately, he had the typical Trek villian issue which all the Trek films, except Wrath of Khan, suffer from. Well…. maybe except Nemesis.

I guess the writers didn't frame Krall just going mad well, so he just seemed to appear to want revenge on the Federation, when he was a paranoid soldier who never should have been made a captain, who went batshit insane whenever he was stranded on some planet.

>>28664

What I like about the original movies, and maybe to a lesser extent the TNG movies, is they all have different plots

1- The crew finds a mysterious alien lifeform out in space

2- A man from Kirk's past comes back for revenge

3- Pretty much Klingons being regular Klingons

4- A time travel comedy where the crew is tasked with saving a whale

5- Spocks crazy half brother shows up and commandeers the Enterprise in his search for God

6- Kirk is framed for a crime he didn't commit

In the reboot series you have

1- Dude with a tragic past is angry at Spock

2- Dude with tragic past is angry at Klingons

3- Dude with tragic past is angry at the Federation

>>28673

You're sort of oversimplifying some of the films, and totally missing the point on several others

>The Motion Picture

You're pretty much on point

>II: Wrath of Khan

Basically a sequel to the TOS episode "Space Seed"

>III: Search For Spock

Genesis Planet and the Genesis Project become widespread knowledge, Klingons openly and covertly carry out stuff, also Spock has sex and does other weird stuff, also the Enterprise is destroyed

>IV: Journey Home

Mysterious alien life form wants to talk to whales, then you're pretty much on point

>V: Final Frontier

People going out on the search for god (Cybok was overall unimportant)

>VI: Undiscovered Country

Praxis, the moon of Kronos blows up, Klingon Empire and Federation starts the Khitomer Accords, Romulans get in the way

>Generations

Some crazy El Aurian wants to get into "The Nexus", and will stop at nothing to get into it. Kirk and Picard find themselves both in The Nexus and talk about being captains, also Enterprise-D gets destroyed

>First Contact

Borg try to invade Earth again, but they try to use time travel to stop the first warp flight, and kill Zefram Cochrane, preventing First Contact from happening

>Insurrection

Data goes wild in a "Who Watches the Watchers" paralell, only leading into a morally ambigious area, where Picard turns into Bruce Willis, the action hero

>Nemesis

Picard's genetic clone takes over Romulus with Reman support, but plans to take out his rage on everything, but needs Picard's DNA to fix his botched cloning

>Star Trek '09

Romulan randos who survived the destruction of Romulus following the supernova event of its star somehow find themselves having time travelled and then proceed to fuck up the timeline. They proceed to take out their anger at losing their homeworld, family and friends by using their 24th century tech to destroy as much of the Federation as possible, starting with Vulcan

>Into Darkness

Khan's discovery isn't by the Enterprise and Kirk in this fucked up timeline, but by Section 31 instead, who proceeds to use Khan as an agent to carry out dirty work for them, using his fellow Augments as leverage agaist him. Khan proceeds to try everything in his power to destroy Admiral Markus and Starfleet in order to get his fellow Augments back.

>Beyond

At some point in the past (possibly before the timeline was fucked up by the Romulans), a Starfleet ship crashes onto some desolate planet. The crew never gets rescued and the former soldier, turned captain, loses his mind, becomes paranoid and starts blaming the Federation for his distress call never getting received. Same captain discovers ancient technology on the planet they're on, and mutate themselves to gain long lives, sacrificing crew members.

>>28674

Well yeah, I'm simplifying. The point is the original films have all kinds of varied themes and villains, if they really have a villain at all, and the reboot movies all tend to focus on the crew battling with guys who are butthurt about something or other.

Say if Star Trek 4 were part of the reboot series, the alien probe would be some dude who's mad as fuck about whales because they killed his puppy or something, and he wants to blow up all of the whales with his battleship.

>>28675

>the reboot movies all tend to focus on the crew battling with guys who are butthurt about something or other

I could say the same about the guy (I forget his name) from Generation and Shinzon from Nemesis though.

The villian from Generations was angry because he didn't get into The Nexus, and would even destroy solar systems to get into something that both Picard and Kirk didn't really want to be inside.

Shinzon was far more unexplained. Taking his anger out on the Romulans made sense, and him going out on some genocidal plot to wipe out the Romulan species would have been the best way to do it. But nope, he just wants to destroy earth for no reason…. As much as I liked Nemesis and Shinzon, that plot point just didn't make sense.

Most Trek villians outside of DS9 were for the most part, just really angry and wanted to destroy earth or some planet. There are exceptions, but even the Borg suffer from this, because once they come across Species 8472, all they want to do is launch an all out assault on them, while only sending a whole 2 Borg cubes for the Federation (albeit that one of them had a Sphere on board and had planned to time travel anyway). Enterprise's villians were mostly sensible. Except the Sphere Builders and the Xindi Reptilians, total Trek trope villians there.

>>28676

The TNG movies are weaker. At the very least you have First Contact though.

The last good Star Trek movie villain was Chang.

>>28678

To be fair, he was getting help from the Romulans.

>>22723

Is it a woman like a star trek nerdy woman?

Or a woman as in someone who has never seen star trek before but she will make dam sure everyone watching the film will learn plenty of lessons about feminism.

>>28680

Not really. The Romulan ambassador was in on the conspiracy but that doesn't mean much.

>>28681

See >>22730, >>22726, >>22728

Her career mostly started up with British TV dramas, which if you're not from the UK, you will never have even heard of. She did end up hopping between US TV dramas later on, but really only directing an episode or two before moving on.

She also co-created and wrote a British TV drama about 4 women who have affairs? I think? And then she was later involved in writing the US version.

Her experience in sci-fi is limited, arguably, to one British TV series about some police officer who, for some reason (I'm not sure), finds himself in the 1970s.

Let's see what this produces. As much as I would say that I'm skeptical, ultimately, a competent director who has no experience with a franchise can bring in positive and fresh changes. Or… they can make a dog's dinner with it…. Let's just see. As far as I can tell, there's nothing to say that she is goes on about "muh feminism", but getting angry about women existing is probably the dumbest thing to be angry about.

Weird thing… she reminds me of a lecturer in film and history I used to have.

>>28682

I don't think it was ever really made clear who was in on the conspiracy and who wasn't. The Romulans were, but I suspect that was because peace between the UFP and the Klingon Empire would have lead to a unified front against the Romulan Star Empire, but there were people in the Federation, including Starfleet admirals and officers, who were also in the conspiracy to sabotage the Accords.

>>28683

>I don't think it was ever really made clear who was in on the conspiracy and who wasn't.

Kim Cattrall knew all the names. Spock got them all during the mind meld and announced them.

>>29280

>Maybe if there was a Twilight or a 50 Shades of Grey more than once a decade

Can't they just rewatch the old stuff forever? It's all the same shit.

>>29300

That's because Mr Darcy is a stud and every girl wants a rich Aristocrat Boyfriend who treats them like shit yet a Princess.

>>28674

>descriptions for the reboot movies are much longer than the ones for the OG ones

Makes you think.

>>28676

>I could say the same about the guy (I forget his name) from Generation and Shinzon from Nemesis though.

No shit, everybody pretty much agrees that they are bad-to-shit. First Contact, too.

>>28683

movies. >but getting angry about women existing is probably the dumbest thing to be angry about.