/strek/ - Star Trek

Mars did nothing wrong

Liked it before it went full ayy.

that's a homeworld battlecruiser.

This isn't Star Trek.

>>17781

yes. :(

can't help but see exactly that, but with slightly different guns.

>>17783

the expanse is from enterprise, it was the beginning of the xindi arc. I assume this is something like that.

>>17785

The Expanse is a tv series, Anon.

>>17785

>the expanse is from enterprise, it was the beginning of the xindi arc. I assume this is something like that.

I kek'd

>>17775

The Expanse is surprisingly decent sci-fi but it's more nuBSG vibes to it. I do like how everyone is a cunt though.

>>17839

I didn't find the drama quite as annoying as the drama in nuBSG. Its above comfornt levels though, that I will grant you.

What I like about the show is the relatively hard sci fi, large number of stations and habitats and even the political intrigue of the plot. Not that bitch on earth who seems to exist purely to gather exposition and to spell out what is going on politically, but what actually is going on politically. Its rare for a show to provide coherent political motivations for all 3 sides of the war, without turning any of them into cartoon villains. Earth tries desperately to keep the conflict from escalating while holding on to their waning power, mars is a power house on the rise who desperately needs the resources of the belts to keep fuel this rise in power and the belters are tired of being exploited by the other two in their internal struggle. This was a very positive surprise, from a modern sci fi series.

Also the world building with the belters being a mish mash of various ethinc groups, developing their own culture, distinct from that of earth or mars.

>>17903

It was actually written as a plot for an MMO that never got made.

I've been reading since shortly after the first book came out (though I haven't read the latest yet), and watched the series so far. It's pretty good hard sci-fi, particularly in that it's set in a future where we don't have FTL travel but we do have really fast fusion engines. So it still takes time to jet around the solar system, but not so long that the story would drag. The books are all fast reads due to their pacing, which is good since there's seven already released and three to go before it's over. I have to give them credit for pumping out one of these every year for seven years now, especially considering their having to handle the TV series as well.

Speaking of, the TV series isn't bad either, surprising for post-BSG-ending Syfy. I have some minor complaints about it (mostly concerning Belters not looking like they were raised in zero-G and characters not looking like they're moving properly in low-G areas), but I also understand that budget is budget, so it doesn't concern me too much. It matches the look of the universe in my head, which was a pleasant surprise. It also expands (haha kill me) on the plot from the books; the first season added in a new character and subplot and introduced Avasarala much sooner so that the political angle could be explored earlier.

>>17903 sums it up pretty well, and I think /strek/ in general would enjoy it. I'd suggest reading the books before watching the show, though.

>>17777

I wouldn't say it ever went full ayy, and if it did then it was ayy from the start due to the protomolecule, so you would've stopped sometime in the first book. I was actually concerned that the story would stop focusing on the solar system after the Ring opened in the third book, but my fears were unfounded. There's a brief jaunt to an exoplanet in the fourth book, but it then returns to dealing with how the existence of the rings affects the solar system's relations in subsequent books.

I love the Expanse, it is basically a massive deconstruction of contemporary globalist capitalism and the cold war paradigm of the world.

Anyone noticed in the Expanse they make anyone who would be labelled as a "minority" kind of dumb shits fucking everything over with the "white" guys doing their best to keep shit from going south?

>>17939

Wow you have really missed the fucking point of the show haven't you?

>>17939

Is this your mind on /pol/?

>>17903

Well anon, the reason the justifications for all their motives are realistic is because they are literally founded on modern geopolitics.

**Earth is the west (deindustrialised, massive welfare state, weighting geopolitical power with more and more resources spent on the MIC to keep up despite its own state failing its citizens), Mars is Russia/China (it as a Russian hybrid regime & quasi-stratocracy, with Chinese ascendancy: having to weigh development & military capability ect.) and the Belt is the modern third world (honestly take "Water" & "O2" and replace it with "clean water" & "electricity" and bingo: you have the modern third world).

>>17954

Except Mars is borderline if not fully fascist and has more advanced tech, but fewer warm bodies than Earth, who rely on older equipment in large numbers to compensate.

Also, the belts aren't ruled by medieval social norms and petty warlords like most of the 3rd world.

I do see your comparisons, but its the same way the federation is the US, the klingons are Russia and the romulans are china in TOS. The difference is that in the expanse all three sides are written so they can be sympathetic in some way. In TOS, the klinks are moustache twirling baddies.

>>17965

Oh, he was. But he was an odd socialist that thought socialism was the way to get to the American ideals of freedom.

>>17963

I do find it interesting that the series depicts the problems with UBI, something that's generally taboo for any modern lefty crowd. On Earth, everyone's on UBI, unless you choose to go to school or get a better job. The result is that much of Earth's population lives in stagnant slums where nobody really works to improve things, something that clashes with Martians' work ethic.

While I do think they have some leftist bent to them (they unironically tweet at Brianna Wu on occasion for some reason), I don't find it overbearing in the books. If I did, I'd probably have stopped reading long ago.

>>17971

Well I mean I doubt the ayy stuff has much to do with leftism Unless they take the ultimate redpill and it turns out to posadist

Also on the UBI stuff, I mean the critique presented is actually the marxist critique of UBI: that under capitalism it would just lead to lower wages and worse working conditions because why you can fire someone at whim if you can morally say "well they have UBI".

I may be wrong, perhaps the authors just took the world and said "this but in space" and have no real political leanings at all, but I see the direct parallels in the show that is just too obvious to ignore.

>>17972

And then the right's argument against UBI is that people wouldn't even bother getting jobs in the first place because all their basic needs would be taken care of, so why bother working? Hell, you see that today with people taking advantage of various welfare systems to make more money than they could at a job.

Honestly, it seems like the only people who are actually in favor of UBI are lazy fucks who don't even understand the basics of human behavior. My personal favorites are the "starving artist" types who claim that UBI would lead to a renaissance of art and culture because artists wouldn't have to focus on the commercial value of their works to survive and could just make whatever, so everyone's creative drive will be unleashed and they'll all make new and wonderful things. Yeah fucking right. Guarantee that 90+% of people would just sit on their ass and watch TV all day.

>>17974

>Honestly, it seems like the only people who are actually in favor of UBI are lazy fucks who don't even understand the basics of human behavior.

Tbh the best way to do things is to minimise actual work hours and achieve full employment (100% possible btw): it has the "free time benefits" of UBI and better deals with the productive forces of society.

Also fun fact, one of the most adamant proponents of UBI was actually Milton Friedman; who wanted a negative income tax on everyone earning below GDP per capita. His catch though, people on the UBI can't vote.

>>17975

>Also fun fact, one of the most adamant proponents of UBI was actually Milton Friedman; who wanted a negative income tax on everyone earning below GDP per capita. His catch though, people on the UBI can't vote.

Eh. Not as bad as welfare+voting, but it still has the same economic problems associated with any kind of income "redistribution." Bit of a shame Friedman didn't see that, most of his colleagues did. Proof that Austrian School>>>Chicago School

The Expanse is just Star Trek for Libertarians they should make the ships shaped like fedoras.

>>17990

Tbh Libertarians really well known for giving a shit about third world working conditions.

>>17990

Don't see how. The relation between Earth/Mars to the belt is capitalism on a interplanetary scale. If the writers would try to make a concrete political implication, it would resemble Maoist-Third Worldism and in no way Libertarianism. Both Earth and Mars have in their own way abandoned free market capitalism, Mars is a stratocracy with Soviet/Chinese aesthetics, Earth still has capitalist association but has established a global UBI (although that doesn't explain why Bobbie saw poverty in New York).

I mean Libertarians deny that classes exist, right? Then I don't know how you could even think that the Expanse would be adhering to their ideology.

>>17775

>The villians logic.

Makes more sense than the villians logic in 90% of modern fiction

>the tech

Looks plausible to me.

>the ships.

Looking realistic. It makes sense that interplanetary ships would still resemble a rocket or a cylinder in some way.

>The deliberately turning scientists into high functioning sociopaths to avoid moral scruples with their work.

Scary, because it's realistic.

>The politics between belters, Mars and Earth.

Also pretty realistic.

Overall pretty good hard sci-fi

>>17990

But, if you want to create a society where everyone can do whatever they want with no real obligations to the rest of their society but those they choose to follow, isn't a space station the worst place to do it?

A place that needs a ton of expensive and time consuming maintanaince just to keep everyone from getting sucked out a malfunctioning airlock or electrical fire in the ventilation system.

The kind of place where the safety of the entire station requires careful regulation of what ANYONE is allowed to do in their own homes.

The kind of place where everything is the property of one guy, the guy who operates the station.

Really, if you want to make a libertarian utopia, go to some habitable planet where people can make their own homes and won't endanger everyone if they decide to dig a hole in their backyard or hold a barbecue without scheduling it with air maintenance first.

Hell, a station would have a shit ton of services the customers can't opt out of buy if they want to live, that will all be owned by 1 man or company. You don't get monopolies quite like the air/water/power supplies on a place floating around in hard vacuum.

>>18009

>although that doesn't explain why Bobbie saw poverty in New York

The suggestion is that the UBI is enough to /survive/ on (I.E: get food and water) but not /live/ on. I mean in the episode where Indian UN lady goes to visit space Che's 8 parents' house: she uses someone getting fired and being put on UBI as a threat. Also it is heavily implied that people are drugged up from when Martian Marine lady meets the homeless people.

>>18015

But isn't the implication that most jobs are outsourced to the belt or simply don't exist anymore due to automation? I remember there was a conversation between the Indian lady and the Martian ambassador going along these lines - does that mean 80% or something live off UBI on Earth, which is barely enough to survive on? Honestly while the economic systems of Mars and Belt kinda make sense I think the Earth economics get more and more confusing as you think about it.

>>18021

When dice functions are enable they should up in the post options section, below the file selection.

YOU ALSO FORGOT GIANT SPOILERS

>>18021

>Commies are the only ones that explicitly say classes don't exist.

HAHAHAHAHAHA

>>18021

>>18020

>If that's how Earth economy works in The Expanse then the writers have no idea how economics work.

>Yes I know getting triggered by economics in a Sci-Fi show probably written by leftists isn't going to be very productive.

>Yes, I know it's more than a little odd for a /strek/ fan of all people to get triggered by sci-fi shows being economically retarded.

>Please pardon my autism.

Nah the conceptualisation is that yes there is mass unemployment on earth, but it is supported through extracted surplus value from the belters. So the labour and resources of the belters supports the lumpenproletariat on welfare on earth. Why would earth do this? Well one it guarantees an unorganised labour force on earth for either undesirable labour there (since third-world → earth migration is basically impossible) or to encourage them to move to the belt, it keeps those working in line (as I aid, Indian UN lady uses putting a guy on UBI as a threat), it fits with "muh moralism" and also gives earth a large population to conscript from in case of a war.

You could say this is highly unrealistic, but this is how the world functioned from the 1990s to 2008 (when the race to the bottom began and labour started moving back to the west to a degree and the rise of modern retail). GB for example, during this period it saw a massive increase in the welfare state while unemployment did not go down that much due to the neoliberal policies of blair bringing income through corporations into the UK.

Regardless, one can argue the entire economics of The Expanse is bollocks because post-scarcity would come into being with asteroid mining, but that is neither here nor there.

>>18021

>Nigger where did you get that idea? Commies are the only ones that explicitly say classes don't exist.

Nigger are you retarded? Liberals, Libertarians, Conservatives, etc. all treat "class" as a no-no-word, communists emphasize class all the fucking time. Libertarians in particular deny the existence of classes under capitalism because it is all "voluntary association" in a vacuum for them.

>Yes, I know it's more than a little odd for a /strek/ fan of all people to get triggered by sci-fi shows being economically retarded.

Trek has literal replicators that can create everything you want for free, name a single reason why there should still be capitalism which relies on scarcity, wage labor, private property over productive forces, etc. If anything, Star Trek has the most realistic outlook for a space-faring society out of all popular sci-fi franchises, feudal empires or capitalist dystopias make no sense in such a world. How realistic do you think would it be to have the industrial revolution of the 19th century under feudalism? Modes of production change are historical, anon.

>>18031

>HAHAHAHAHAHA

What I mean is they're the only ones to incorporate that into their ideology. Most lolbergs acknowledge social classes as a naturally occurring phenomenon. There are those that don't of course, but that's only an ideological necessity for for the lefties.

>Nah the conceptualisation is that yes there is mass unemployment on earth, but it is supported through extracted surplus value from the belters. So the labour and resources of the belters supports the lumpenproletariat on welfare on earth.

Which is economically unsustainable in the long run. I could get into why, but I haven't watched this shit maybe I will later and at the moment I don't care enough to methodically pick apart issues with the sci-fi welfare state.

> post-scarcity would come into being with asteroid mining, but that is neither here nor there.

Post-scarcity is a meme. The most likely scenario if we were to get viable, large-scale access to a giant horde of resources is that the population would explode until we approach the new carrying capacity, and we'd have scarcity once again, albeit with a higher quality-of-life.

>Liberals, Libertarians, Conservatives, etc. all treat "class" as a no-no-word, communists emphasize class all the fucking time. Libertarians in particular deny the existence of classes under capitalism because it is all "voluntary association" in a vacuum for them.

Commies only emphasize class because they want to abolish the "class system." I've never had experience with class being a "no-no word" among the groups you mention. Libertarians, conservatives, etc. freely acknowledge economic classes (blue collar, white collar, old/new money, etc) exist, they just don't get their panties in a twist about "freeing" the lower classes.

>name a single reason why there should still be capitalism which relies on scarcity, wage labor, private property over productive forces, etc.

Because human demand is non-finite. Replicators don't eliminate scarcity and they don't work for free, you still need energy for them. And it's firmly established that the "free" food you get from replicators isn't as good as conventional dining. That right there is an example of where capitalism would come into play (if star trek was an economically literate universe and not a socialist wet dream where everyone does work for "personal betterment" and doesn't give a shit about compensation). You still have scarcity of labor, and scarcity of certain goods. There will always be some good or service that you want, which will increase your marginal utility but you cannot get for free. This is where money comes in, because you need some method of measuring that subjective desire you have for that thing. Economists have long established that the only accurate way to determine consumer demand is price.

>If anything, Star Trek has the most realistic outlook for a space-faring society out of all popular sci-fi franchises, feudal empires or capitalist dystopias make no sense in such a world.

You're actually not completely wrong on this, what the trek universe looks like is pretty accurate, at least compared to the examples you gave. This is because capitalism has shown a very strong tendency towards increasing quality of life, so it makes sense that the future would look slick and clean, and have minimal poverty. What would make it more realistic, however, is to stop implying that money doesn't exist. Even Earth citizens living in pseudo-luxury will have a market demand for something they don't already have, and they would have to be doing some form of work to earn money to obtain whatever it is they want. TL;DR for trekonomics to be realistic it should be implied that Earth is running under an extremely high-level service economy instead of just assuming nobody works and lives of replicators.

>>18034

Second parts meant for >>18032

>>18034

>Commies only emphasize class because they want to abolish the "class system."

Communists want to transcend capitalism. Class is only the expression of it, it would still be possible to have a society without class but still with capitalism - a mutualist society for example. There would not be any private ownership, but people still produce for profit and exchange.

>I've never had experience with class being a "no-no word" among the groups you mention.

Where do you live? Mentioning class where I'm from gets you labeled as a Stalinist.

>Libertarians, conservatives, etc. freely acknowledge economic classes (blue collar, white collar, old/new money, etc)

That's not class. Class is a relation to the means of production. A CEO is technically still working class, because he sells his labor for a wage. Those are just income groups.

>Replicators don't eliminate scarcity and they don't work for free, you still need energy for them.

So the only human need is to harvest raw materials to fuel replicators. If you look at Star Trek economics, everything that's ever traded is basically fossil fuel, even the Ferengi who are supposed to play the part of the "capitalists" are mostly concerned about fossil fuels. Manufacturing or agricultural labor does not exist.

>socialist wet dream where everyone does work for "personal betterment" and doesn't give a shit about compensation

I do think this is a wet dream as well. I think the reward in Star Trek is to see the mysteries of the universe. I mean, I'd totally sign up for it. The question is do shitty jobs still exist in Star Trek? I agree this would be unrealistic.

>There will always be some good or service that you want, which will increase your marginal utility but you cannot get for free. This is where money comes in, because you need some method of measuring that subjective desire you have for that thing.

I don't know if you have read communistic economic theory, but that is not what communists define as capitalism. Marx advocated for labor vouchers which are different from money because they can't be exchanged. They are bound to your labor. Secondly, production would be organized for human need, not for profit. This means the prices would constitute themselves very differently, exchange value of a good wouldn't matter. Value would be abolished. Prices represent production cost, not demand.

>This is because capitalism has shown a very strong tendency towards increasing quality of life, so it makes sense that the future would look slick and clean, and have minimal poverty.

Communists do not deny this but point out that capitalism has contradictions that won't make it last forever. If the Federation was capitalist, there would be ads plastered everywhere, and nobody would do anythig unless there is a profit motive. Ironically, the aesthetics of TOS and TNG resemble the kind of ad-free retro-sci-fi look North Korea is going for since a few years in their architecture.

>>18036

>That's not class. Class is a relation to the means of production. A CEO is technically still working class, because he sells his labor for a wage. Those are just income groups.

Ah, that's what you meant. By that definition then only commies acknowledge class. I was referring in a more general way to the income groups and the social norms that surround income groups.

>Manufacturing or agricultural labor does not exist

There is manufacturing in that you apparently need engineers to assemble the really advanced components, and you still need people to design said components. Which reinforces my earlier point, there would be an economy more advanced than fuel trading, but it would be extremely high-level white-collar jobs, "service economy", and artisan services, e.g. paying someone to make me a set of hand-crafted Matroshka dolls.

>I don't know if you have read communistic economic theory, but that is not what communists define as capitalism. Marx advocated for labor vouchers which are different from money because they can't be exchanged. They are bound to your labor. Secondly, production would be organized for human need, not for profit. This means the prices would constitute themselves very differently, exchange value of a good wouldn't matter. Value would be abolished. Prices represent production cost, not demand.

Regardless about what Marx thought about labor vouchers Those actually exist in ST, someone in either DS9 or VOY makes an offhand references to using up all of their 'transporter credits' in their first month at the Academy are not what I'm advocating, nor do I consider them to be a realistic outcome. I mean money in the traditional sense: a standard of exchange–backed by fiat if you're an idiot, and by a real resource if you're not–that is freely exchanged by all participants in the economy and used to give a numerical approximation of the intrinsically subjective nature of demand.

>>18036

>I do think this is a wet dream as well. I think the reward in Star Trek is to see the mysteries of the universe. I mean, I'd totally sign up for it. The question is do shitty jobs still exist in Star Trek? I agree this would be unrealistic.

Interesting question, I think the answer varies depending upon which Star Trek series you focus on and the writes mostly in charge of certain episodes. I think for the most part by TNG's era at least shitty jobs only existed if you wanted to them. There's really no reason to bother gardening, cooking or making wine unless you just love the craft or tradition of it and considering all the weird people who like knitting and crocheting today when you can just buy something cheaper or quicker made by robots or some kid in Sri Lanka I guess it's not hard to imagine such hobbyist would still exist even in a society that has advanced beyond a need for them. One of my dad's neighbors is a blacksmith ffs. Who clears the fatbergs out of sewers though? Nobody really sees that as an "art" I assume on Trek's version of Earth an automated phaser system vaporizes them, they do not even have to contend with bad weather if they don't want to (TNG: "True Q") ; also surely there is a better way to "scrub plasma injectors" but captains have crew do this as a form of punishment.

just wait until you see what comes up from the surface of Venus

>>18071

alien goo with a detective ghost inside?

>>18072

have you read the books?

>>18075

I haven't. Are they good?

>>18220

extremely good, but after being on fullchan for a solid four years the poz is easy to smell. thankfully its fairly easily ignored

>>18226

How bad is the poz

>>18254

I haven't read the books but in the TV show there was a guy whose entire character was "I don't think for myself and just do what the black lady tells me to because she knows better".

In fact it seemed like every woman in the show was either a genius or a stronk don't-need-no-man type and all the men were dumb shits or outright villainous. I distinctly remember there being two different scenes about two different women where someone told a story of what they were like as a child and they were fierce and independent and bucked the trends and so on. Poz allows for very little variety in female characters unfortunately.

>>18254

global warming raised the sea level and now NY is surrounded by a big wall. universal basic income has reduced most people to retards or sociopaths. gays are okay, all the stupid belters are white or huwite and speak like retards, all the cool martians are swarthy. honestly, maybe a3 out of 10 on the poz scale.

also see >>18271

>>18273

also your cohencidence detecter will ping whenever they mention the Epstein Drive

>>18273

>Belters speak idoitically.

Di'd yu just cahll afrikaans stoopid?

>>18254

Wtf is a poz scale?

>>18277 √

its something i just made up, completely arbitrary. but for sake of argument

0 = Triumph of the Will (1935)

10 = Get Out (2017)

>>18279

Oh, some /pol/yp nonsense, gotcha.

>>18273

beltalodah

>>18271

He has an ebony fetish. That's why he is so obsessed with finding a "good cup of coffee"

Aah you didn't catch that, did you?

>>18292

BELTALODAH BRUDAR!

>>18292

>>18297

Holy fuck Belter creole is an actual language they composed. I rate that tbh. Also from what I see it is pretty slavic of all things.

>>18298

It's a weird mishmash, doesn't it also contain Malay?

>>18301

I think it contains a lot of things, but the phonology has a lot of slavic routes: дж. х, нь, нъ ect. Seems they have a lot of polish roots: "By default, the primary stress falls on the penultimate syllable of a word", the general slavic phonology and the phrase "beltalowda" itself uses the polish possesie lowda.

So has there been any info on the next season of this?

>>18766

I just looked, no premiere announcement yet, but I can't imagine it'll be more than a month or two away. All I know is that the next season is coming sometime this year, and with their current pacing, they might get through the third book by the end of the season. I guess it depends on how many episodes and if they add more subplots.

>>18273

Actually the martians all speak with thick texan accents in the books. One of the characters in the books wonders if its infectious, since texans only made up part of the original colonists on Mars.

However, once you look past the skin colors, most of the culture shown in the books and show is distinctly white. No one goes to witchdoctors to have their sickness cured, no one puts up with niggahs fucking up the infrastructure that keeps everyone alive on the stations, the only people to make religious ramblings are Mormons and so on.

>>18803

>The Mormons

Yeah what is up with that by the way? Is the writer a Mormon?

>>18806

Well one of the authors' last names is (((Abraham))), but I couldn't find anything on religion for either of them. I think the Mormons are just included as something a little weird and a little humorous, like they wanted to head out to the stars to go claim the planets that Elohim and the Mormon Jesus promised them.

>>18806

Tbh, if I were to ask you "what religion is most likely to build a massive fuck-off space ship to colonise alpha centauri", wouldn't you say Mormons?

>>18812

Mormons are more likely to become Necrons and start trying to exterminate all life in the galaxy.

>>18812

That's what they do after they die, not before.

So after some digging rumor has it that The Expanse Season 3 will start around June. Surprising media blackout over it though.

It's trash. An anon shit all over it a few months ago on that dead board scifi

>>>/scifi/68

>>17942

>Is this your mind on /pol/?

pattern recognition is /pol/ apparently

>>18036

>Communists want to transcend capitalism. Class is only the expression of it, it would still be possible to have a society without class but still with capitalism - a mutualist society for example. There would not be any private ownership, but people still produce for profit and exchange.

>Class is a relation to the means of production. A CEO is technically still working class, because he sells his labor for a wage. Those are just income groups.

>>>/leftypol/

>>>/bog/

Get the fuck off my board with that shit, communigger. Class isn't some arbitrary club. Your entire world view is a denial of human nature and natural law which is why it never functions and without propaganda, torture and murder terrorizing people into submission, never survives. Capitalism IS slavery, but it is a form of slavery that allows for some limited upward mobility and a modicum of human dignity.

Society will always stratify itself based upon traits and characteristics that are essentially genetic in origin. In a functioning society, low performing people settle at the bottom, and this is determined by genetic factors. Given enough time this stratification will always assert itself. Natural human societies purge their ranks of sociopaths but the dystopian garbage your kind wrought upon the world has enabled the most treacherous degenerates to thrive. Despite all the rhetoric to the contrary communiust shitholes are the textbook definition of classist oppression. By force of arms and a sadistic will to apply it, the your gulag utopias managed to invert the social order. Whereas the scum always settled to the bottom, the moral/ethical perversion that is MO of every communist shithole caused it to rise to the top by incentivizing depravity. The most degenerate elements were rewarded for their treachery and even neutral observers were murdered for not jerking off hard enough to the latest propaganda slogan.

Your dynamic redefinition (nice euphemism for pilpul, right?) of the concepts of 'class' or 'profit' do not invalidate the fundamental truth of what they are. People will naturaly self-segregate based on categories defined by traits that are largely dependent on genetics. That is a fact that will never change, and unlike you fucking brainlet leftists, there is no moral judgment of the different social classes implied in a (unencumbered-by-leftists) capitalist society. Anyone who works for an honest living is worthy of respect and where they spend their money is a political act, it is their voice (another freedom taken away, if everythiong is owned by the state, where you spend your money is irrelevant). Even if you are a double digit IQ moron, as long as you are not a burden to the taxpayers by collecting gibs or robbing people, you remain a valuable contributor. Just because richie mcmoneybags doesn't want you fucking his daughter or hanging out in his living room, doesn't mean you're a piece of trash. But under your moronic binary communist society everyone must work to support the non-contributors. Thieves become kings, but only until their usefulness ends, at which point they become slaves like the people they plundered from while the architects of this supposedly classless hellscape lock themselves in their ivory towers only emerging to rape young girls of murder entire families for fun.

Back on topic, if you saw the 'beltahs' in this stupid fucking garbage scifi as anything other than a parasites you're a fucking retard. The storyline had potential were it not for the total ineptness of the writers, instead of showing hard working people with legitimate grievances, they show drug addicts and low iq morons screaming for gibs for no other reason than "the rich people have nice things and i want them." If they had any potential to be anything other than they are, they would be. The fact is, the 'beltahs' lead shit lives for the same reason south africa and zimbabwe are shitholes, and it's not evil rich people keeping a beltah down.

>>18271

> haven't read the books but in the TV show there was a guy whose entire character was "I don't think for myself and just do what the black lady tells me to because she knows better".

>>19200

Whoever posted that is either a teenager or a tard.

>>19200

Does that guy realize how much of an SJW he is? Jesus Christ

>>19223

SJWs and Anti-SJWs end up sounding the same. It's the old quote about how "hte moment you devote all your being to fight an evil you become the evil you sort to destroy".

And before someone says this is just horseshoe theory: anti-SJWs exist to mirror SJWs, that is their entire raison d'etre: they are reaction in its purest form

Also the irony of calling the accent african when belter creole is mostly slavic in phonology and vocab.

Both The Expanse and Altered Carbon are inferior to Lexx.

Now, if only I could get my friend to shut up about both book series so we can watch Prince saunter around in bondage gear some more.

>>19262

>Lexx

My nigga. Underrated show.

>>19270

The only way to make that show seem underrated is to ingest an unhealthy amount of psychoactive dugs and pharmaceuticals before watching it.

>>19272

What exactly is a "healthy" amount of psychoactive drugs?

>>19272

What, you don't like space epics that examine the true human condition rather than some kind of idealized version of people?

>>19274

>everyone is motivated by either power or sex

>town in America where suburban people spend all day playing with guns and drinking alcohol

The most destructive power in the TWO universes

>>18036

>Communists want to transcend capitalism

And always end up descending to prehistoric civilization norms and massacring millions of people.

>Class is a relation to the means of production.

Fucking wrong. Class isn't an invention of capitalism, class is an invention of the universe. All capitalism does is make it possible for people to move between classes rapidly according to their usefulness to other people. This maximizes the incentive for everyone to be useful, and society improves as a result.

Not to mention that "means of production" is a statement that dates back to the fucking feudal era, it doesn't apply to an industrial society of the 19th and 20th century, and it certainly doesn't apply to a post industrial society we live in now. Where the hell is the means of production now that a homeless person can beg enough money for a phone and set up a connection between a manufacturer in India and a retail chain in America with a couple of emails to essentially become rich overnight?

tl;dr Fuck off.

>>18042

This. 100% this.

>This whole retarded system only works if everyone buys into it and is 100% committed to follow it to the letter.

And even then it isn't competitive to a system that doesn't follow those rules.

Moreover think for a minute, how does any socialist society purport to stop a man from trading 4 potatoes for a loaf of bread, instead of 3 potatoes for a loaf of bread (state mandated price)? The only way to stop that guy from getting a profit of 1 potato is to shoot him and his entire family, to terrorize people into not getting profit.

Setting and space research written by Ty Franck:

It's ok. Most ships are realistic, science is very hard. This guy is a softcore SJW, and is basically paid by SJWs like George RR Martin to research the setting for their books. Without him their novels would just read like a page of SJW diatribe from the Marvel comics. I despise him because he is a leftist and gives SJWs legitimacy as their ghostwriter, but he does ok work. It could be better of course, he does fuck up quite a few times.

Story/dialog/characters written by Daniel (((Abraham))):

The author is a massive tool. You can feel his pleasure radiating from the page as he describes a Russian orthodox priest that's 1) a woman 2) a lesbian 3) her partner is a nigger woman 4) they're abusing a child together. Just read the fucking poison in this twitter feed:

https://twitter.com/AbrahamHanover

>>19404

>Just read the fucking poison in this twitter feed:

It hurts me to know people like this live in our country. It also really makes me want to buy an AR more than ever. I'm sure prices have spiked because of recent bullshit. I always find it amusing how liberals think there's something special about them as if the gun runs on dark magic or something.

>>19417

>>19417

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8ws_APXilE

Never trust em.

>>19417

>>19417

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8ws_APXilE

Never trust em.>>19417

Is there a trailer or anything up for Season 3 yet?

>>20130

The first episode aired tonight but I missed it and they didn't have any repeats

>>21986

How? There were just three last season if I remember, the research ship on their way to Venus, the Roccinante, and the Indian GILF and Bobby

>>21986

Watched the first episode now, are you sure we are talking about the same episode? It was great.

>>21986

>piracy

Trying to support the show because it has very low ratings and is likely to be cancelled. I set my DVR to record for what it's worth

>>21970

I never knew it started.

2nd and 3rd episode really picked up the pace

way better than the first episode

>>22617

>seemed unrealistic for a corporate supervillian

I actually thought that was a surprisingly realistic twist. A lot of corporate shills will do fucked up shit when they just see it on paper, because hey it's business, but he would have needed to be a psychopath to kidnap sick children and inject alien molecules into their bodies and not feel something; few people are that evil and heartless. You wanted him to be Mengele-tier? Especially when he just lost his own daughter, who the little chinklet probably resembles? Unlikely.

Unrelated note: would love to that smell space marine's ass

>>22651

There was no protomolecule in Andromeda

>The only original thing in the Expanse is the SJW themes everywhere.

…are they good ones?

I mean, Gene's response to the Gaytrek protestors was Neelix. I'm less impressed if it's checkbox, twenty-years-after-the-fact style.

>>22680

http://andromeda.wikia.com/wiki/Bokor

>>22651

Curious, where do you see the "SJW themes"? The fact that the majority of the population is mixed in 200 years? Very likely, have a look at modern day America. "Muh strong woman"? Bobby looks like she has the body to dish out a good punch, unlike the usual skinny Mary Sue's we usually see, and the majority of her power comes from her power amor. The rest of the women don't feel artifically empowered - Avasarala feels like a cool GILF. There hasn't been a major gay character yet.

I think the authors are more concerned with power politics and trying to get their science and tech realistic than with SJW themes. They don't strike me as dudes who'd give a particular fuck about that.

>>22708

Multiculturalism is less than 40 years old and you are already claiming it's the natural state of humankind…. Please ignore the 250,000 years of human history when cultural exchange consisted of drinking soup from the skull of the opposing tribes Shaman!

>There hasn't been a major gay character yet.

Please read the book series the TV series is based on. For no reason whatsoever to the plot he inserts an Orthodox Priest who happens to be a woman, and is also a lesbian, and is fucking a negro woman, and abuses a child with her.

>>22716

>Multiculturalism is less than 40 years old and you are already claiming it's the natural state of humankind…. Please ignore the 250,000 years of human history when cultural exchange consisted of drinking soup from the skull of the opposing tribes Shaman!

I don't think there's an overarching "nature of humanity" that would apply then and now but to assume that a globalist world where people can easily travel between planets would remain racially or culturally isolated is quite a stretch–I'm not saying it's impossible, but you'd have to socially engineer it that way to keep peoples apart, unless you purposefully create policies like with that intention people are going to mix.

>>22739

The distances involved are greater than age of sail, it takes months even years to travel from say ganymede to lunar space. And the cost of getting out of the gravity well…. the radiation and other hazards to travel…. Anyone we send to live in space colonies will be stuck there for thousands of years, and they aren't going to pick to live with people completely different than them.

Multiculturalism leads to Balkans, it leads to suicide bombings, do you know what a suicide bomb does to a space station?? Not to mention just jamming open an airlock and pushing a button.

>>22739

>you'd have to socially engineer it that way to keep peoples apart

You don't understand how people work on a basic level.

When it comes to space, people aren't just going to subdivide based on race, they are going to subdivide all the way to the level of family.

The only reason we haven't done it on earth is because of how impossible it is to subdivide that far, the costs of building a fortress around you. In space, every family can easily occupy its own habitat.

Living in larger groups is a massive detriment because of the life support problems, and because you'd have lower compartmentalization in case of disaster.

>>22739

You're assuming that the vast majority of humanity has the IQ and agency to participate in space travel. The most likely outcome is that a select group of nations (Russia, East Asians and Europeans {assuming they can uncuck themselves}) will lock down space travel, leaving the rest to starve and die off.

If that doesn't convince you, consider this. Let's say that all white and (((you know whos))) disappear tomorrow. That leaves East Asians, Indians, Latinx, Arabs and Blacks.

Do you really think that the chinks and poos will share their technology and wealth with negroes, kebabs and spics? Probably not. What's more likely is that they will hoard the remaining Western tech and monopolize it for themselves.

As >>22716 said, you're assuming that globalization and multiculturalism will last forever. It won't. You already have guys like Kissinger talking about the coming de-globalization.

>>22756

Do you want to hear about the long night brother?

>>22617

Haven't watched any of them yet. Is the new series worth watching?

>>23020

Yes, it's very good. Contrary to what some anon stated here, the storylines are not as intricate anymore, so it's easier to follow. Pace is good as well.

I wonder how they can pull off everything post-Abaddon's Gate in terms of budget. I hope SyFy doesn't pull the plug. Also, how are they going to do the 30 year jump in the latest books? Hire different actors or make them older with make-up? I fucking hope not, they should scrap it or make it 5-10 years, which is reasonable

>>22756

>The most likely outcome is that a select group of nations (Russia, East Asians and Europeans {assuming they can uncuck themselves}) will lock down space travel, leaving the rest to starve and die off.

Basically the Alliance, Mass Effectfag detected

>>22756

the first African space mission will consist mostly of Chinese expats, a mutt or two, and a single nearly useless black dude they were forced to bring due to pr reasons.

>>23069

>Systems Alliance

>Not full of mutts or niggers

Wut?

>>23121

>I am retarded

It was joint space military formed by a group of the 12 most powerful Earth governments.

Did you think that the US and Brazil would just opt out something?

>>23181

We should launch all niggers into space with the African Space Program. Not send them anywhere, just vent them into space. Guaranteed to get UN funding and libtard approval for being progressive.

>>22051

>>22617

Nevermind, it was cancelled.

>>23307

Yeah SJW shit doesn't fly anymore, people can just watch Star Hunter reruns on their laptop.

>>23307

Syfy is such a fucking idiotic bastard channel, there they had the chance to redeem themselves with GOT in space and they drop it.

>>23309

Imagine having your brain washed by /pol/ so much that you think the reason it was cancelled was because of non-existent "SJW shit" (there wasn't even a gay couple until that blonde speech writer).

>>23310

Yeah it's just my imagination right, like STD is really a right wing sitcom amirite, it failed because people don't like gnasees.

>>23314

>STD

Who is talking about STD? Nobody is talking about STD. The Expanse is written by autistic nerds, not SJWs.

If you seriously think The Expanse was cancelled because people dislike muh SJWs you are beyond saving

>>23317

He hasn't seen the show and doesn't know shit. Every incarnation of Star Trek catered more to SJWs than any episode of The Expanse ever did.

>>23328

>using twitter

>>23328

>look at this tweet hurr SJW pozz

You spilled your spaghetti all over the table, /pol/. Whether or not something is "SJW" is determined by how much of that shit is actually in something, and how its hammered down. The Expanse does neither of that shit and is quite an enjoyable show, this is not invalidated by a stupid Tweet from the author and I don't give a shit about your purity test

>>23332

/pol/ is too smart for him, he should return to whatever appropriate subreddit.

>>23333

Checked for truth

>>23331

>>23332

>>23333

>>23336

So your response to being proven wrong is:

>omg your source is TWITTER? why didn't you get a quote from something these SJW writers posted on 8ch?!?!

>muh feels

>wow u got a get!

Pathetic.

If anyone who isn't pozzed is reading this comment thread, for the record, anything that wins the Hugo Awards is degenerate garbage:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kevinmurnane/2017/08/12/presenting-the-2017-hugo-award-winners/#72ab3f8e2725

>>23362

wew

>>23362

>strong independent black quadroon

>sandnigger thats somehow not inbred

I'm sorry but that strains my credulity more than a warp field or an alien with latex on his face.

>>19423

Hello Sargon

I haven't been following this, is it good?

>>23426

Yeah, it's really good, probably the best space opera since DS9.

>>23446

Don't listen to this guy, obviously he is just here for his personal agenda

>>23426

The Expanse is a solid show, the best science fiction currently on TV. It's often compared to Battlestar Galactica but it's actually better.

>>23643

Please don't compare Expanse to Battlestar Galactica, the only thing similar is the special effects budget.

The Expanse is to Babylon 5 what STD is to Star Trek.

>>23651

Starship Troopers is a parody of fascim. So is WH40k. How autistic do you have to be to think this shit is serious?

The reason that SciFi stuff is more progressive since the very beginning (remember that western SciFi movies were initially a rip-off from SciFi movies in the communist bloc as they imagined the future to be full of space travel with a united humanity) is that it tries to imagine a future, and if you believe history to be linear, not circular, social relations ought to be a bit different. I mean, there are dystopian SciFi movies/shows with lots of sexism and racism. Handmaid's Tale is not really classic SciFi, but it imagine a society where women are literally broodmaids due to decreased fertility rates.

There is also the thing that racism or race relations in general between humans makes no sense in a universe where the real race relations play out between different species. That's why I hated Sisko's rants about this, you literally live in a society where people interbreed with blue-skinned aliens with attennas and have sex with Tok'ras (Dax) but you still harp on about segregation?!

>The issue is that all of these shows had diversity and still managed to be interesting!

There is good and bad diversity. I like diversity if it makes sense and serves the plot, and is not just shoved down your throat like having quotas about at least one gay couple, one black person, etc. - this is less of a Jewish agenda by the way but just the simply result of consumer demand. Black people and chinks are a huge market they can't just ignore. That's why you see increasingly more chinks on TV, China as a market is a pretty recent development. Both STD and the Expanse featured an Asian captain (funnily enough, apparently every Asian in the Expanse is evil). A good example of diversity would the Teal'c from SG - he served an Egyptian good, so it would be consistend that he would be black (pharaos had Nubian guards).

>inb4 we wuz

>>23652

Nah dude. Expanse is good, I don't know why it's hated here.

>>23655

>How autistic do you have to be to think this shit is serious?

Guess how I can tell you've never actually read Heinlein and are basing your conception solely on the movie adaptation.

>>23664

In his defense, The Starship Troopers movie was supposed to be a parody of fascism. They failed and just made it look even better.

Star Trek is the future we want, The Expanse is the future we deserve.

>>18292

>>18297

If two-thousand belters die to bring water to mars, I am only interested in the purity of the water.

>>18813

With what happens after Venus, you could make a case for The Expanse being a prequel to the Playstation game Colony Wars - a small number of colony systems (colonised by Belters) rebel against the Empire (Earth / Mars reunited), which is taking all their resources to prop up the population in a depleted solar system. The Canon ending being a terrifying twist which you could see happening in a real war (though being good at the game gets you one of the two nice endings instead)

>>19404

I think they're a good example of SJW's managing to keep their politics (mostly) out of their work. Or at least being able to write from the other side's perspective. No doubt there's some leftist board going "lol how could right-wingers like this, it's obvious the Martians are the bad guys". See also: Watchmen… and I had quite the soft spot for the bad guys in V for Vendetta, too. The shitty movie ironically made the society they have built look even nicer. Even the prostitutes live in comfortable apartments with huge TV's.

>>22651

KEK I actually once thought Belter Creole was called Lang Belta… actually that's another mixed language created by human colonists in the Asteroid Belt from a totally different sci-fi series from the 50's.

>>23099

Some nigger country launched it's first satellite not that long ago. And by "launched" I mean a rocket and satellite built entirely by NASA, ESA, JAXA et al was launched from there.

>>23678

The more time goes on Starship Troopers is the ideal future for humanity.

>>18292

>>18297

D'YU NAE DA WAE?

>>23655

>it imagine a society where women are literally broodmaids due to decreased fertility rates.

That is one of a dozen things in Handmaids Tale that makes no sense whatsoever.

If 99% of women are infertile… what the fuck is the point of keeping 100% of women "repressed"? Just keep 1% of them as sex slaves, it's basically what we do in the modern world with hookers, mistresses, sluts, and surrogates.

Also what's the point of mistreating the tiny percentage of the population that are responsible for bearing your children?? You'd lose your children… the men in this show are so cartoonishly evil that it isn't even realistic.

Also in that pathetic excuse for a story the bad guys are called "Christian" yet they only use the Old Testament, which would make them Jewish since the defining characteristic of a "christian" is someone who believes in the New Testament.

By the by, Jews? Matrilineal society - due to specific instructions in the Old Testament!

I got a list the length of my arm about how the plot of HT is broken.

Whoever put that together is an extremist feminist that somehow avoided cracking open a Biology textbook OR the Old Testament.

>Black people and chinks are a huge market they can't just ignore.

Don't buy that. There are what, 400 million native english speakers, over 95% of them white.

Besides its not like chinese people can't enjoy watching white people fly spaceships on TV, I have no problem enjoying asian-heavy movies. Only SJWs are that petty.

> Expanse is good

Don't buy that either.

>>23753

SHE BE DA QWEEEN MAN, SHE NO DA WEY!

>>23817

>Don't buy that either.

Can you explain why? So many ITT just say that Expanse is bad but noone as actually explains why. I really question what kind of standards these people have considering there hasn't been such a show on screen since a decade or even longer (depending whether or not you liked Battlestar Galactica). You come over as a guy who would have dumped a bucket of shit on DS9 when it came out in the 90s.

>>23819

It wasn't well adapted from the book, first of all. The novels were readable, if somewhat plotholish. The actors and directors on the Expanse are inexperienced and it shows in the final take.

They try to cover up bad dialogue and plot with flashy CGI, which I never liked. I hate TV shows that overdo CGI. If I want to see good CGI I'll just download a free copy of Eve Online, and CGI which is at least 10 years ahead technologically than anything I'm likely to see on TV.

>considering there hasn't been such a show on screen

What the fuck???!

I'm supposed to crash my standards because the (((money))) in Hollywood stopped hiring good writers and directors in 2007???????!

>>23820

>using television shows to try to brainwash a culture that invented the "rule of thumb" whereby a man can legally beat a woman with a stick no wider than his thumb despite that culture not having access to television

I wish them luck with that, they'll need it.

So The Expanse got cancelled and then saved by Amazon all without anyone noticing?

>>23914

Amazon's grab is just a rumor, but it is Bezo's favorite show so that wouldn't be shocking.

>>23752

>ywn join the military and become a citizen.

>ywn explore the galaxy with your platune nuking space niggers.

>ywn share a shower with a qt soldier girl who is down with you washing her as she washes you.

I want to live in that world so fucking bad tbh.

>>23955

>platune

You had one fucking job.

>>23882

At least google post industrial society before you strawman the guy.

>>23914

It got cancelled for being a piece of unpopular garbage, amazon picked it up because they have less overhead costs and can produce it for cheaper.

>>24058

Amazon will end up buying up every show then become larger than Fox someday. Mark my words.

Good shit

>>24058

>It got cancelled for being a piece of unpopular garbage

What didn't you like about it?

Big Bang Theory was pretty popular, does that mean it was a great show or is that assumption an illogical one that triggers you anon?

I realize this isn't the board for it but since neither is this thread. I'll ask here. why's farscape structured so autistically?

>>26688

it's as if it has the screenplay of some old school anime like speed racer and then the audio for it dubbed with the same audio.

>>26712

I haven't decided if farscape is bad yet. but if you think so I wouldn't mind you going into detail about it.

>>26719

it's not science fiction. it's science fantasy. and it's also like a pathfinder game.

>>26724

eh, none of these aliens are realistic and I fail to see the science in pretty much everything.

>>26724

>That's REALLY realistic considering how much bullshit trek has on screen.

Trek covered their asses in TNG with that ancient progenitor race.

Turns out every humanoid alien with shit on their face is the descendant of smooth-headed people from millions of years ago. Fascinating.

>>26719

Ian?

>>26724

2 items,

First item: I'm not sure you know what hard sci-fi is.

Second item: There was a Tekwar show?

>>26750

>First item: I'm not sure you know what hard sci-fi is.

Agreed. Even though I fucking love Farscape, I will be the first to say that it's some of the softest sci-fi ever. The known laws of physics are gleefully broken at basically every opportunity.

>Second item: There was a Tekwar show?

Yup, in the mid-1990s. William Shatner is listed as the creator and as an executive producer, and he had a regular guest role, but he didn't have anything to do with the day-to-day production. It was surprisingly watchable, given that it started life as a Shatner vanity project.

>>26751

Yeah, I read the first Tekwar book and it was pretty decent. Apparently it wasn't just completely ghostwritten, and Shatner had several outlines and stuff he had been working on that the ghostwriter used to actually write it.

Garak's actor is the only Trek actor to truly write a novel with their name on it.

>>26747

>Trek covered their asses in TNG with that ancient progenitor race.

Eh, I think that the commonness of humanoids makes a certain amount of sense. There's a reason warm-blooded bipeds with opposable thumbs became the dominant species in our biosphere, I would imagine evolutionary pressures would produce similar results in others.

>>26729

Do you think Pilot is unrealistic?

>>26853

him actually he's the most believable I suppose.

>>26878

The soft/hard sci-fi scale is about how well the fictional universe matches the real one in terms of the laws of physics.

Sure, Farscape's aliens are non-humanoid. But Farscape also has multiple forms of FTL travel, telepathy, telekinesis, spaceships that don't coast, instant DNA rewriting machines, embiggening/enshrinkening machines, enstoning/destoning machines, translator microbes, living starships, interdimensional travel, time travel, and frickin' artificial wormholes. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

Don't try to handwave away this with Clarke's third law, a lot of this stuff really is straight-up magic if our understanding of the laws of physics is anywhere close to being accurate. A single hard sci-fi aspect like "non humanoid aliens" does not equate to "the show itself is all hard sci-fi.

>>26878

>as a ridiculous number of semi-intelligent species on earth show.

There's more to being spacefaring than intelligence. In order to become a dominant species a species needs to be able to use tools, for which you'll need opposable thumbs or a similar appendage that offers fine precision; trunks can grasp things but they can't make tools. It also needs to be a mammal, or at the very least warm-blooded and k-selected, to develop the intelligence necessary for low time-preference. It needs to be a land animal, because without fire advancement to dominant species would be near impossible. So, what are the possible evolutionary paths through which a mammalian, land-dwelling animal may develop grasping appendages? Because natural selection must take a step "sideways" before going "forwards," there must necessarily be an existing appendage that gets adapted into a grasper over generations. As mentioned before, trunks don't have the fine motor skill to be used as a grasper, and as they're all muscle there's no real evolutionary path to fingers being developed. A prehensile, skeletal tail has slightly better potential but compared to an already-developed limb it's still effectively nothing. Therefore, the best candidate for a grasper by an overwhelming margin is a leg that becomes an arm. Large animals don't lend themselves very well to having more than four legs–it's just another point complexity, another point of failure and takes a lot more energy to grow–so it's safe to assume the starting precursor animal will be a quadruped. A quadruped adapting two of its legs to arms necessarily becomes a biped. A creature with a large enough brain to become dominant cannot afford to waste large amounts of energy digesting food, so it must be capable of hunting and consuming meat, with the forward-facing facial features that that implies.

Because of all these biological necessities, I am led to believe that any space-faring species we encounter would look at least kind of like us, instead of reinventing the evolutionary wheel. Now, if there was a very different biosphere that had very different successful strategies, could a different path be taken? Possibly–I won't rule it out entirely–but whatever comes out the other side would in that case be completely incomprehensible to us, and wouldn't remotely resemble humans or any other creature found on earth. Therefore, any nonhumanoid intelligent species that resembles something on Earth would also be soft sci-fi.

>>26880

In a comparison of Trek and Farscape, these things don't count against Farscape because Trek also has them:

>multiple forms of FTL travel

>telepathy

>telekinesis

>spaceships that don't coast

>embiggening/enshrinkening machines

>enstoning/destoning machines

>interdimensional travel

>time travel

>artificial wormholes

And these things count FOR Farscape because they're harder scifi than Trek:

>instant DNA rewriting machines

>translator microbes

>living starships

…. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

>>26884

I don't have time to explain it right now (I'll do it after work), but an alien doesn't need to have the ability to use a set of pliers to build a starship, tools are created to fit the species using them. Your fallacy is in spending your entire life seeing tools designed for humans and then just solidifying the term "tool" into a category that only contains human tools, assuming that any other kind of tool is impossible and lacking the imagination to think of such.

Any intelligent animal can build a starship as long a steady progression could be created from simpler to more complex tools. Hell an non-moving sedentary !immobile herbaceous shrub! could build a starship, as long as it could trick or train some animals or insects with simple reward system into doing complex tasks for it. Plants already trick animals into eating their fruit and shitting it out miles away essentially in a pile of fertilizer to jumpstart growth, or tricking animals into carrying plant sperm on them so they can impregnate other plants.

>>26878

>octopi

clearly a moron

>>26880

>Don't try to handwave away this with Clarke's third law

Clarke's third law is practically the definition of soft sci-fi. If you have to invoke it to explain something major, it's definitely soft. The heavier the sci, the harder it is. If it's heavy on the fi and has to use Clarke's law often, it's soft.

>>26899

No, those things are still soft sci-fi. What about this aren't you getting? Try reading Rendezvous With Rama, and then tell me Farscape is hard sci-fi. Sure, there is bound to be a tiny difference relatively speaking, but that's like saying a glass of water got more viscous because you dissolved a single granule of sugar in it.

>>26904

Yeah he made a rookie mistake. IIRC the proper plural in the original Greek is octopudes. The proper English pluralization is octopuses.

Are people ITT really claiming that fucking Farscape out of all things is harder SciFi than Expanse????!!

actually I just think to my self "what does alien eat" and if I can answer that I move onto the next simple question. "how do alien poop" "does it sensors make sense in the kinda environment it's race evolved in" "can it pick up a stick". I could go on.

>>26906

HARDER THAN TREK faggot quit dealing in absolutes.

>>26910

Solid argument.

>>26914

No.

>>26904

Wow an even better argument. What will I do now?

http://grammarist.com/usage/octopi-octopuses/

>Still, while the use of octopi can’t be justified on an etymological basis, it is not wrong. It is old enough and common enough to be considered an accepted variant.

So is this show worth watching?

>>27943

I find the acting in The Expanse to be mediocre at best. A lot of it is compensated by the story and the special effects. It's certainly not the actors who carry this show.

>>27947

For a TV show full of no-names, it's decent enough acting. Nobody's going to win an award, but it's not bad enough to ruin the show for me.

>>27947

Pretty sure the Indian woman has been in a lot of things and some of the other older actors.

>>27962

She plays an Indian but she is from Iran who fled the country when the Shah was exiled. And yeah, she is also the best one. Also the guy who plays Miller (forgot his name). The rest is pretty fucking lukewarm though.

>>27943

>refreshing take

It has been done to death on TV screens before, and even more so in literary format.

>Good acting

Is this a joke? It looks like a high-school drama play because none of the actors have any talent or experience at acting. They had a fuckload of actors to pick from, and they picked the youngest least experienced ones. Why is no one in the cast over 40? The book specifically says the sandnigger is in mid 40s, yet they picked a 27 year old actor to play him.

It's intentionally bad.

So you will get used to paying good-shit prices for bad-shit, which is cheaper to make, ergo making a profit for some jew somewhere.

>good visual effects

Puhlease, EvE Online has better visual effects, hell Homeworld has better visual effects. Due to low polygon count the ships have no wear, which makes them look like from an early 2000s video game. Scratch that, even early 2000s video games knew that SOLID BLUE FILTERS DISCONNECT THE VIEWER FROM THE SCENE.

And don't even get me started on the sets or makeup. Everyone, especially the negress spacegirl, was supposed to be bald, because hair interferes with any kind of space suit gear. But she just had to git ma hurr did so we're stuck with some retarded rooster crest waving onscreen.

Do not ever speak about the Expanded Anus in positive terms around me again, I will reach through this TCP/IP connection and slap your retard ass.

>>27947

Mostly agree but even with mediocre acting it's good enough to watch.

>>26878

Just stopped by to say dolphins have prehensile dicks that they grab stuff with

>>28011

Yeah, and female dolphins have prehensile cunts they can grab stuff with. They say if you want to fuck a female dolphin, just stick your dick in and let her take care of everything else.

>>28036

If only it was as easy as that with women!

Why is this thread about dolphin mating?

>>28108

Welcome to /strek/?

Anyway do you think there will be another Expanse series at all or are they done?

>>28039

It is. But with women the cops always show up when they start squealing, nobody cares about dolphins though.

>>28942

It's only rape when she changes her mind.

Still don't get why /strek/ dislikes this show.

>>28955

>why don't they like the show

Because it isn't Star Trek, seriously though probably for the same reason people who love (not like) LotR don't care for Game of Thrones.

I've met boomer trekkies who still only consider TOS cannon, as if their personal tastes matter.

>>29023

Based

>>28957

>people who love (not like) LotR don't care for Game of Thrones

I dunno, I think GoT would be awesome with a little Gandalf.

>>29060

It wouldn't hurt, I'm trying to imagine how I would insert him.

>>29023

Underrated post.

Did this show end or get cancelled?

>>30357

It failed because it's:

A) Not interesting

B) Has badly written characters, plot, and setting

C) Pretends to be realistic to get the dumb person pretending to be smart audience

D) It's basically black hole theory version of star trek

>>30357

No, it's coming this year on Amazon Prime.

>>30987

>Not interesting

How is it not interesting? It explores solar system politics and hard sci-fi concepts while dealing with a grim-dark alien presence lurking behind everything with unknown implications.

>Has badly written characters, plot, and setting

1. I agree Holden, the Asian dude and Naomi are a bit vanilla, but the rest are absolutely fucking entertaining characters.

2. The plot isn't bad. It's laid out on a series of books and planned from the beginning, it dives deep into interplanetary conflict.

3. How the fucking is the setting bad?!! It's sets are absolutely beautiful.

>Pretends to be realistic to get the dumb person pretending to be smart audience

You don't have to watch it because of "I fucking love science". The fact it actually tries to be realistic instead of giving up any such notion as a premise is now a bad thing? That's not what carries the show anyway, and it's not supposed to. It's a character, plot and exploration driven space opera.

>It's basically black hole theory version of star trek

No.

>>30987

It's a good show but it has the same issues as Game of Thrones: there are too many characters and so little time to allow them to grow.

>>30990

>How is it not interesting?

>Holden, the Asian dude and Naomi are a bit vanilla

Those are the main characters, you just answered your question. The other characters might not be "vanilla", but they are undeveloped in the story arc, they're ornamental peacocks meant to strut in and grab your attention for a second before leaping back out of the story.

As for the science… it itself isn't the focus, the point I'm making is not that scifi even hinges on science, but that this story PRETENDS to be realistic. That's the bad part, the pretending, not the science. A good scifi is generally a drama or a tragedy written in the classical sense with character development driving the story, the science is the setting of the scifi, it's not the content itself. This show basically has no story arcs in it, the science is the story, and it's crappy nuscience to start with. If your response to "the setting is bad" is "how the fucking is the setting bad?!! It's sets are absolutely beautiful" you may want to look up what "setting" means in terms of story, because that was fucking embarrassing.

>It's a character, plot and exploration driven space opera.

The only way you could possibly say this is if you've never read a space opera. Mostly I feel bad for you because you've clearly been deprived of the best scifi has to offer… but I'm a bit annoyed that you're calling a prius a sports car. Read this:

https://www.amazon.com/Praxis-Dead-Empires-Fall/dp/0743461118/

Then compare it to Duh Espans.

>>30992

The book itself was badly written, only a very good director could have made it work on screen.

>>26724

>sliders

>hard scifi

>objectively better than Trek or Swars.

if sliders didn't do an episode where magic is literally real, I'm honestly surprised

>>27962

The Punisher and Xmen 3

>>17775

IT would be good without the agenda pushing.

>>31974

What agenda do they push?

>>31982

They pushed the usual diversity bullshit over producing a good show.

>>30992

>It's a good show but it has the same issues as Game of Thrones:

and It solves this problem the same way Game of Thrones did too: kills them.

>>33518

Yeah, I don't like how they handled Ashford this season.

>>33526

He was my favorite character, but aside from that it was an idiotic choice from a narrative perspective. What will be the internal source of conflict for the Belters still in the Sol System? Probably Drummer vs Inaros.

>>33518

Every season of The Expanse they kill off the best character, it is tradition now.