/strek/ - Star Trek

>>16108

>Also meant to be only operated by a Romulan Waifu that disappeared for whatever reason

Seriously wtf. She was only in the one fucking episode. I can't believe they dropped that so quickly.

>Vulcans fuck on Pon Farr and ONLY on Pon Farr, so the age difference in Vulcan siblings is in multiples of 7

>>16109

Literally dropped with no explanation either.

>>16110

I was debating about using that one as an example but went with the cloak instead.

>federation moneyless economics extends to the whole galaxy except for ferengi

>everything gene roddenberry said and did is official star trek, anything that deviates from that is a betrayal

>>16112

The idea that STD is bad because and only because it deviates from Roddenberry's vision is a bit silly.

Firstly, it's bad because it's bad. And secondly Roddenberry's vision, at least post TOS, largely just resulted in stupid shit like man skirts, and not most of the things people liked about the later shows and movies.

Where did Romulan Waifu go, anyway?

Borg adapting applying to just beam weapons. This one pisses me off because clearly in BoBW they were just really smart and adaptive to any kind of weapon (like nanites), but idiots made this ‘hurr hurr bullets could kill them hurr hurr equip machine guns’

>>16119

I think the idea was no one had ever fired a machine gun at one before, which is questionable. Did they never land on one of those gangster planets?

>>16120

>Did they never land on one of those gangster planets?

They did but the gangsters made them an offer they couldn't refuse.

>>16119

>>16120

That implies that the Borg can't into kinetic energy. Which is retarded. Even if we assume that the Borg are entirely reactionary and can't ever preemptively adapt to threats, I'm sure at one point in their history a drone leaned to far over a railing or something. Given that the Borg had already assimilated several worlds by the 15th century, even if we assume that boolit kinetic energy is somehow different from all other kinds of kinetic energy for SOME REASON, I think it's safe to say they came across a planet using gunpowder at least once.

>>16115

Post-TOS Roddenberry is also at odds with TOS Roddenberry. The Kirk-Spock-McCoy dynamic would have been impossible under early TNG rules.

>>16122

I think the idea is that Borg shields don't deflect mass…which would be interesting except that means that any race using plasma ground weapons could fuck the Borg's shit up; even if you assume races drop bullets right away when they get energy weapons, some of them do switch to plasma and that would be a difficult issue for them.

It's just a stupid problem. You can easily explain the Borg shielding as being reactive to recent or known incoming threats. If they haven't encountered a particular make of weapon before, it would take a moment before they adapted to it. And also, I don't care if you have adapted shields or not, if you are hit with a phaser beam from orbit or a semi-luminal ballistic round from a rail gun, your portable shield shouldn't do shit. But then you have some fags who think that adaption = perfect immunity.

>>16111

>Literally dropped with no explanation either.

Sounds like the actress got pissy about pay.

>>16124

Star Trek used to use an appearance as a kind of audition. If they thought a character looked good in the episode (like Garak or Weyoun) they’d get them back for more.

I’m guessing they weren’t thrilled with her performance and they dropped it because they didn’t want to develop the character of the actress was weak.

>>16125

It's a shame, the story possibilities of having a Romulan officer aboard what is, at least notionally, Star Fleets premier warship. If nothing else the idea of watching the Defiant bridge crew having to actually live up to their values with an alien crewmate who hasn't been put through a lengthy socialisation and indoctrination process at star-fleet academy.

>>16126

It would also have made those episodes where the Defiant does cloak in the Alpha Quadrant (Way of the Warrior being the first) a bit more interesting than Sisko going, "I won't tell if you won't." Then there's the Maquis, and the possible interactions with them. If they weren't genocided because, "LOL we just wanted those for Voyager, kthxbai."

DS9 was a great show, but you can see so much missed potential in parts of it. Makes me wonder just how much better it would have been if the writers fleshed out those aspects. Instead, we get The Exorcist starring Gul Dukat and Avery Brooks rambling about centuries old race riots.

>>16124

Didn't they put her on Voyager instead? As Seska?

>>16127

>DS9 was a great show, but you can see so much missed potential in parts of it.

I still think it's probably about as good as Star Trek has been so far. Here's hoping for whatever we can get after STD beats the standard set by DS9.

>>16130

>Gul Dukat goes from a fascinating character and almost perfect foil to Ben Sisko to 'LITERALLY SPACE SATAN!!!' by the end of the show.

Behold the power of a butthurt writer

>>16108

><Federation had developed cloaking technology

Considering that Kirk and company stole a fully functional state-of-the-art Romulan cloaking device for the Federation a century before Starfleet had to beg the Romulans for one, I'd say that the Federation not having their own cloaking technology is a bigger plot hole at this point.

>>16131

>How can people like Dukat? He's literally lizard Hitler!

>Put your thinking cap on, Ira.

>OY VEY SHUT IT DOWN WHAT HAVE WE DONE

>>16132

>Considering that Kirk and company stole a fully functional state-of-the-art Romulan cloaking device for the Federation a century before Starfleet had to beg the Romulans for one, I'd say that the Federation not having their own cloaking technology is a bigger plot hole at this point.

Something, something, Treaty of Algeron. My guess would be S31 has a sizable force of cloaked vessels, and they use things like the Algeron treaty and begging the knife ears for a cloaking device on the Defiant as interference, keeping the other major powers from realizing that the Feds have this technology.

>>16133

The Feds had highly advanced cloaking tech that could pass through solid objects. No way S31 let that get away from them.

>>16133

>My guess would be S31 has a sizeable force of cloaked vessels

Why can't we get a series (or even a decently written couple of episodes) about a Section 31 crew manning a cloaked ship, running around the Alpha Quadrant quietly arranging the odds to make sure that Star Fleet always has the upper hand?

>>16136

Because Section 31 is morally ambiguous and I want to watch a positive show, not another BSG. STD is the closest you can get to that funny enough. Lorca seems like he would be the perfect Section 31 Captain.

>>16137

>Because Section 31 is morally ambiguous

What's morally ambiguous about 'any and all means necessary'? :^)

That's a fair point though, it would be a bit of a leap from the more traditional Star Trek feel, it would be an interesting look at the setting though - the feds win/loss ratio does start to stretch credibility a bit. I haven't seen STD yet, I'm waiting to get the DVDs so I can binge on it over a long weekend.

>>16139

I have to hold out hope that it's not entirely beyond salvation. Even ENT and VOY had some interesting and awesome parts. At the very least I want to give it a chance to disappoint me, and there might just be a Gul Dukat character that the writers didn't know they made awesome. If nothing else I want my rage to be well informed.

>>16140

Godspeed to you then. I got all the way to the 4th episode before I gave up.

>>16141

If it is as shit as it seems to be then at least we have The Orville.

>>16122

If Borg shields could deflect kinetic energy instead of just fricken laser beams, then grabbing them or using an oversize Klingon knife on them wouldn't do a damn thing.

>>16175

WOLF 359 WAS AN INSIDE JOB, BORG SHIELDS CAN'T DEFLECT STEEL BEAMS!

>>16140

>I watch BLACKED in the hope it one day becomes good

I pity you.

>>16191

I don't know about steel beams, but they sure can't deflect steel mekleths.

>>16330

Wait why did the tommygun bullets kill the Borg?

Those weren't real bullets those where holograms, they were photons held in forcefields. Borg could easily adapt to most forcefields, and the photons would've lost their image and been harmless. Hell they already adapted to Federation forcefields before.

>>16340

>>ENT

>"yo guys, let's anticlimactically kill Trip at the last second for no reason 'cause idk. Oh yeah, and this is on the holodeck."

Unironically one of the worst finales in television history, the single worst episode of ENT and front-runner for the worst Star Trek episode ever. Fuck you for making me remember that it exists.

>>16343

But anon It doesn't exist

>>16344

It does when someone mentions it, like that asshole did.

>>16337

I guess holodeck forcefields are different enough so they weren't able to adapt in time. After all, BULLETS FLY FASTER THAN PHASER BEAMS.

Seriously. Who's fucking idea was it to have weapons shoot at the speed of a slow baseball pitch?

>>16343

I don’t get the hate. The worst episode of TNG is way above the best episode of Enterprise.

>>16337

>Wait why did the tommygun bullets kill the Borg?

because it made for an entertaining scene.

i have to go with the anon above who said that Borgs don't walk around adapted to every possible method of attack because that would be inefficient. they prepare defense to the type of attack they expect and if something new comes up, well, you only lost a couple of Borg in exchange for valuable intel on enemy offensive capabilities. it's not like they're going to run out of cannon fodder.

>>16396

>Wesley episodes are above the best episodes of Enterprise

But that's wrong.

>>16394

Yeah that is one thing, why on earth do phasers and shit fly slower than you know, the speed of light?

Wait, how can one fire a phaser in warp if it does say travel at the speed of light it should not be impacted by the warpfield in such a way to it can be fired outside of it…

>>16396

I dunno the Xindi series has some bangers.

>>16421

At Warp, it's space that's moving and not the ship. So you could get away with shooting phasers at war speed without breaking the imaginary physics.

>>16422

and mash.

Most recent misconception

STD is canon

>>19645

Never heard that one

>>19645

Never heard anyone claim that before, bud. STD itself is almost certainly a misconception, however, or at least a miscarriage.

>>16396

The ENT final was one of the worse episodes of TNG though.

>>19676

You should see twitter

>>19683

It's more of an abortion.

>>19717

I choose to believe it doesn't exist. Producers and writers want to erase it from history

>>19941

>erased from history

The series or the franchise?

>>20092

I believe he means that particular episode.

>>20093

Deep I thought we were still on STD. Thats what made me think about destroying the franchise. Which seems like their goal.

Thanks anon.

>>20094

>Thats what made me think about destroying the franchise. Which seems like their goal.

The depressing thing is that the writers, director, actors etc will all be certain that they're saving the franchise.

>>20117

There is nothing more blinding against the truth than the light of self-righteousness.

>>20118

Conservative values are now the minority in this world so once it gets acknowledged as the underdog all the hipsters will say they are conservatives now and it will gain popularity.

>>20119

>Conservative values are now the minority in this world so once it gets acknowledged as the underdog all the hipsters will say they are conservatives now and it will gain popularity.

Gavin, I never had you pegged for a Trek kinda dude.

>>20138

Trek is right.

>>20160

Trek is always right.

>>20234

Roddenberry did nothing wrong

1488 gas the klingons

>>20117

Yes, "saving the franchise" by digging up a dead rotten horse that fell in glorious battle, applying enough glitz and CGI so it looks about as "alive" as a zombie, and using it as a prop in a porn shoot where it's fucked up the ass again and again.

>>20246

You know if they actually did what you described the end product would have been better than STD.

Morn isn't a greater sexual machine than Kirk.

>>20338

Kirk is the exception that proves the rule.

>>20338

Is this a really a thing people think?

The Defiant can cloak in the Alpha Quadrant, just not in Federation space.

Deep Space 9 is not in Federation space, it's owned by the Bajorans, and of course Bajor is NOT part of the Federation. They asked Starfleet to administer the station after the occupation by the Cardassians.

My head-canon (I hate that term, but… you know, you just have to use it sometimes to make things work) says that it's a loophole in the treaty.

>>20380

Treaty specifically stated that the Defiant was only allowed to use the cloak in the Gamma Quadrant Redditor.

>>20380

>a loophole in the treaty.

Not the Feddies blatantly breaking their own word and getting offended, outraged, and angry whenever someone points it out.

>>20382

Right up until Sisko invoked the 'don't ask, don't tell' clause that the Federation wrote in the margins (using crayon) after the Romulans left the room.

>>20383

Federation were literally a bunch of niggers.

>>20600

That looks like tuvok in drag

>>20645

>Romulan Deleting.jpg

>>16108

>Voyager wasn't fun because Janeway keeps breaking the prime directive

That's the whole reason why Voyager is actually fun. TNG was a bastion of political correctness and Voyager is a reactionary show which turns down the communism.

>>20831

Voyager is bipolar disorder, the show.

>>16136

>Why can't we get a series (or even a decently written couple of episodes) about a Section 31 crew manning a cloaked ship, running around the Alpha Quadrant quietly arranging the odds to make sure that Star Fleet always has the upper hand?

Excellent idea, +1 Internet to you.

>>16191

>WOLF 359 WAS AN INSIDE JOB, BORG SHIELDS CAN'T DEFLECT STEEL BEAMS!

Kek

>>27309

>>16136

Something tells me that was the plan after DS9: all the mysteries around Sloane, the support of an old main castmember for the first episode in Bashir, the supporting cast in the Admiral and Sloane. instead we got Voyager, possibly because of an outcry for a more traditional trek show?

>>27434

Voyager was well underway by the time Section 31 were invented.

>>16122

>I think it's safe to say they came across a planet using gunpowder at least once.

Which they'd probably completely ignore unless the inhabitants had some miraculous powers because there is zero value in assimilating them

>>27445

You missed the point entirely, knifeear, I was talking about Borg shields and their bizarre non-resistance to physical projectiles.

>>27446

The point is that it's not worth it. A personal energy shield can cover every beam weapon from the LHC to a Klingon disruptor and a few other energy attacks besides, diverting a bullet when you're already 50% metal anyway and don't really need half of your fleshy bits besides, that's not worth investing in a man-size deflector for every drone which is what they'd need to act as an equivalent defence to their shield, it's simply inefficient, there's no need because it's not a legitimate threat to merit the effort.

The Borg are pretty lazy as long as it's not a real threat to them.

>>27452

People don't use their brains and shit writing. If the Borg (BoBW) were encountering melee combatants, they'd fabricate shielding and armor to resist melee attacks. Same thing thing with bullets. Picard killed two Borg with holographic bullets. A Phasor can kill between two and seven before they adapt to its frequencies. We have no idea how many he could shoot with the hologun before the Borg put in something to block it.

We know they can adapt to more than energy weapons because in Best of Both Worlds they adapt to a nanite attack. The idea the borg can just get annihilated by guys with modern rifles is stupid.

>>16396

Broken Bow was better than Encounter at Farpoint.

Section 31 is the most awful shit ever.

>>27523

You're just jealous they outlived the Obsidian Order.

>>27524

Klingon Intelligence services are better than both.

>>27525

Confirmed, Klingons are really the best at everything in the Alpha Quadrant and keep the other races off-balance by portraying themselves as dumb warriors.

>>27526

Really Martok is the big offender there. Chang was anything but an idiot. Gowron got plot induced stupidity but before that was a fairly canny ruler.

>>27528

Martok wasn't so bad himself before the writers reduced him to a stereotype; the original post that brought this phenomenon to light referenced Martok and how we was able to effortlessly provide Sisko intel on the Maquis.

>>27529

>Sisko: "Our crypto guys can't crack their codes!"

<Martok: "Here, we beat them weeks ago"

>All of starfleet: "Wow! Aren't them Klingons dumb!"

I found it hard to take DS:9's relationship between the Federation and Klingon Empire seriously after nothing changed following that scene.

I'm going through TOS for the first time. Every stereotype about Kirk/Shatner is so massively exaggerated. Especially his sexuality. I'm pretty deep into the series and he hasn't had that many romantic encounters so far. Fucking Picard got as much action as this dude. He sure as shit wasn't some horny frat boy either. Kirk was flirtatious, but was also a gentleman and only seemed to hook up with women who could match his wit.

>>29471

Yeah, Kirk's reputation in pop culture is incredibly far off the mark. I've always thought that his portrayal in "Conscience of the King" really nailed what he was supposed to be. Flirtatious (as you said), but also a strategic and tactical thinker who knows both when to bend the rules, and when to strictly apply them.

Shatner's reputation for hamminess is way overblown. He could be quite subtle when he wanted to be.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BW9Dy3t9zD8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWSLcKBih7w

>>27561

It's meme magic, friend, just working in the other direction. Just look at what's mentioned in >>29471 and >>29473, despite copious amounts of evidence to the contrary normalfags continue to have this bizarrely unrealistic view of Kirk, because that's the fiction they want to believe.

>>29473

>>29475

The real question is how did such a meme start? I presume it will be some sort of interview article where they are trying to sell the show as something it's not?

>>29473

>>29471

>>29475

>>29481

I believe I've said this before but I have come to the conclusion that anyone who rants and raves about how great TOS is especially over TNG and DS9 has never watched it.

For starters once you've seen about a third of the episodes you've seen them all as the plots were that repetitive. Aside from some truly great episodes there's a lot of garbage there that makes you snore. It was very much a product of it's time so a lot of the shock value it had has since been lost.

Likely what normalfags have seen has only been clips of it or parodies of it which is likely where they get Kirk was a pussy magnet meme from. If anything the guy was just a massive adrenaline junkie but there are about maybe 6 out of 79 episodes where he really uses his dick to solve the problem and that's pushing it!

>>29485

The one thing TOS does well is not the quality of special effects but the way it uses them. The story can be told from just the scenary and costumes alone in most cases.

>>29485

Black and white tvs and films from even the 30's actually have good quality for the most part I don't know if you have seen them at all.

>>16109

>Seriously wtf. She was only in the one fucking episode.

Fuck me, I always imagined she was there and I only wasn't noticing for lack of attention.

>>29574

Not really, the oldest tv set I've watched for any length of time was an 70s era color tv at my grandparents' house. It was complete ass.

>>29574

This is true even to this day, Black and White tv's can have 100% pixel fill which even modern tv's can't achieve. Not sure why mention this unless you are going to talk about the pilot episode?

>>29582

He said black and white anon though not sure what this has to do with anything.

>>29507

>I believe I've said this before but I have come to the conclusion that anyone who rants and raves about how great TOS is especially over TNG and DS9 has never watched it.

I think it's a generational thing. TOS was certainly hit-and-miss, but the rest of the sci-fi TV landscape in the late 1960s and early 1970s was miss-and-miss. Sci-fi fans who grew up in that time basically had nothing else to watch.

Biggest misconception here!

Star Trek was made for Americans :^)

>>29471

>>29473

>>29481

>>29507

I always thought that Kirk's faux reputation as a sex-hungry machine was a result of some strange conflation with Roddenberry's life.

>>30038

Liberals are known degenerates.