/strek/ - Star Trek

>>15661

Then later they wore yellow gold. It is meant to be what division they are in, not necessary command. It was supposedly meant that you can have even blueshirts in command of a ship.

>>15662

>Then later they wore gold.

Yeah, so why didn't he wear gold all the time? It seems like Worf was a security officer even when he wore red.

>It is meant to be what division they are in, not necessary command

The division's name is the Command Division. So again, what are Worf and LaForge doing in the command division?

>>15664

Inconsistent writers perhaps?

Operations used to wear red while Command wore Gold in TOS, then it switched over. **Which again doesn't make much sense since Scotty wore red and was said to be just as capable as Kirk when it came to commanding a Starship but choose not to due to his love for engineering.

>>15667

>Fugged spoilers

I think I need a nap.

>QTDDTOT

>Uniform questions when there are a few threads up discussing uniforms

Is this a Thread That Doesn't Deserve Their Own Answer?

>>15667

Scotty was third in command, perhaps there was a 4th and fifth in command (Worf, Geordie) to encompass the bridge but they changed the system?

>>15676

Formally, it goes no further than Data as 2nd officer. However, in practice and by convention it went Picard -> Riker -> Data -> Yar -> Worf -> Geordie. But, passing command to junior officers over senior department heads appears to be arbitrary and captain's prerogative since as you state, in TOS it was often passed to a chief engineer: Scotty (However, Scotty may have had some kind of command qualification since we see him in a white shirt repeatedly in the TOS movies, further complicating things). The uncertainty of this is actually a plot point in Season 1 where Geordie's command is questioned by one of the several random chief engineers, who held the rank of full Lieutenant, when the rest of the bridge crew was stuck on some shit planet.

What are the Starfleet regulations on which female crewmen get to wear the sexy body stockings?

>Sorry Dr Crusher, you're a little too milfy. Trousers for you.

>>15687

Troi wore a non-regulation outfit. Jellico made her put a regular uniform on (and Marina Sirtis was immensely thankful for it.)

>>15688

What about Seven of Nine though? You'd think she'd want to do things by the book.

>>15694

Was Seven drafted into Starfleet like the Maquis?

>>15676

>>15684

To use modern naval terms there is a difference between the Chain of Command and Line of Command. Chain of Command is who you get orders from but Line of Command is who actually takes over in event say the Captain, First and Second officer are rendered incapacitated as there may be someone higher up in the Chain of Command but in terms of someone who can actually run the ship well that is down to whoever is next in Line. This is insanely rare to happen and is different for each ship.

To use an example, say Kirk, Spock and Scotty were all incapacitated it would have been McCoy next in the Chain but in terms of Line it would be Sulu who takes over Command.

This actually got my autism senses tingling and I am trying to figure out what the actual Line of Command is because it's never clearly established.

From what I gather in TOS the Line went:

Kirk>Spock>Scotty>Sulu>Checkov which seems to fit the bill.

TNG it went something like

Picard>Riker>Data>Worf>Crusher? I know she had taken Command before and was well versed with running a ship

DS9

Sisko>Worf=Jadzia>Kira?>?

VOY

Janeway>ChinGoatee>Tuvok>Paris>EMH>Bag of Trash>Kim

ENT

Porthos>Archer>T'Pol=Tucker>Reed

>>15688

What is the story about that anyway?

>>15697

>What is the story about that anyway?

They wanted sex appeal for their show, I would assume.

>>15697

Was there ever an episode or scene/moment where Worf had to take command of the Enterprise? I remember Crusher having to do it, but off the top of my head I can't recall it for him.

>>15697

This glorious bastard is pretty much spot-on, 100%.

But, friend, you missed Troi in the TNG Line of Command. She was a lieutenant commander - this was even brought up in an episode, that she had no command training, despite her rank, and she later went and got it (and had that holodeck scene where she ordered a very happy-to-die Holo-Geordie to go undertake a suicide mission) - and had to take command of the Main Bridge when the storm hit. This was the same episode Keiko went into labor, and we got to see Worf's bedside manner and first aid skills.

For argument sake, I'd put her after Worf and Dr. Crusher. I'd also add Geordie ahead of her, and possibly even O'Brien. More or less, Troi would be the last senior officer in the Line of Command (certainly ahead of Barclay), and second-to-last bridge officer (Ro Laren might be the last, for the few episodes she was in, as she was only an Ensign).

>>15706

The one where they all lost their memories. Worf being the only one wearing a retard sash, usurped command.

>>15694

In-universe, I’d guess it had to do with her being a disconnected borg and wearing something that was similar to her normal attire.

Out of universe, the answer is obvious.

>>15707

Part of the problem, off-screen, is that Gene Roddenberry, being more or less an idealist pacifist, didn't want strict military regulation in Star Fleet. He also wanted it to be Naval-based, but Air Force inspired. That is to say, a Naval-style rank and structure, but run more like an Air Force establishment (which he was familiar with), where there's more officers and fewer enlisted than in a Naval setting. In a B-17, for example, there were up to four officers (Pilot/Commander, Co-Pilot, Navigator, Bombardier) and by 1945, only 4 enlisted (Flight Engineer, Radio Operator, Ball Turret and Tail gunners). Remember, Roddenberry wanted the focus to be on officers, with little to no enlisted to be seen.

This, of course, leads to what 5b5a03 Anon said - the split between Chain and Line of Command being so eclectic and unclear. While it is common practice in modern militaries for medical doctors and scientists (NOAA) to have officer ranks, they are not normally part of Line of Command. Their duties in most situations where officers more senior to them become incapacitated would be to keep the rest of the crew alive and healthy (combat, plague, etc.). The same usually goes with the Chief Engineer - he's more busy keeping the ship moving and floating to have to worry about commanding it. Ordinarily, Line of Command would be restricted to bridge personnel above the Naval rank of Lieutenant on any ship that rates a full Bird for Captain (O-6), or Lieutenant J.G. on smaller vessels that only rate a Commander (O-5) or Lieutenant Commander (O-4) as the Ship's Captain. Once those are mostly exhausted, then you go to non-Bridge department heads, starting with Chief Engineer (though my data on procedure is about 20 years out-of-date, the USN may have changed this, and I'm not familiar with what other nations do) if he can be spared to command the ship directly. I should point out that if the ship is in such dire straits as to have to have the Chief Engineer take command, the ship most likely is going to disengage from whatever situation it's in and retreat anyway, so the Chief Engineer can just radio the terrified Ensign or Chief Petty that's on the bridge and tell them to lay in an evasive course away the fuck from whatever just killed all the senior officers, then go back to trying to keep the engines running.

OH! And I totally forgot, Uhura comes in to the TOS Line of Command somewhere, too. I'd say nominally before Chekov, since she did take command during a TAS episode (in which case, replace Chekov with Arex in Line of Command for that situation, then place Uhura after him). "Nominally" because Chekov is technically Command (Line) Division and should be entrustable with leadership, even if Uhura has to be right over his shoulder and showing him the ropes, given her greater experience. Once you throw TAS into the mix, though, I'd add M'Ress at the very bottom of Line of Command for Bridge Officers. Lt. Kyle might even have precedence over M'Ress.

>>15709

I think they actually gave the excuse that she medically required a skin-tight suit because of Borg implant shenanigans. At least, that's what I recall.

>>15707

>O'Brien

He was enlisted and I doubt was in the Line. In fact I think even Spot is higher up in the Line than him. Thus continues the suffering of O'Brien

And yeah I missed Troi out. Need more autism about this.

>>15706

Not sure, although I do know he commands away teams a lot.

>>15710

tl;dr Roddenberry was a hack who didn't make things clear Also nice detail on explaining Line and Chain, might save this.

>>15719

In the episode where Data was kidnapped and presumed dead, Picard and Riker decided to promote up Worf to be his replacement.

>>15723

I just remembered that. Also I think it happens a few other times as well.

>>15719

>In fact I think even Spot is higher up in the Line than him.

Data, O’Brien, and Spot on a shuttlecraft

>Chief O’Brien, I beaming down to the planet. While I am gone, Spot shall command the shuttle

<Sir…I am a combat veteran and an engineer. And this is a shuttle craft I helped build.

>Indeed. You shall be a most useful first officer for Spot. Energize on my command

<…Aye Sir.

>>15697

For DS9, it was established that O'Brian had a fuckton of offscreen battle experience. So it likely would have been:

Sisko>Worf>O'Brian to start with. Keep Dax at helm.

Speaking of helm, how come we never saw more of the computer flying the damn ship? Seeing how half the time it's just the Captain telling the helmsman "Attack pattern 5-Beta" or whatever, it would be simple as shit to just program a thousand attack patterns and defensive patterns and evasive patterns and retreat patterns, etc. into the computer to begin with, and then the Captain can just sit there playing 3D chess. But no, we have to have someone actually driving the damn thing (with buttons, not like a joystick or anything…) only to get thrown off his seat when they run over a Space Pothole and suddenly they're all helpless until he can climb back up there and retake control.

>>15694

I thought in universe initially her body was a scarred mess underneath the suit…whatever, it was for the sex overall.

>>15697

Picard>Riker>Data>Yar/Worf>LaForge?, and then I think whoever has the most pips on the ship or bridge when everyone else has wandered off. Which would give Troi and Bev the opportunity to bully yellowshirts in Disaster and Descent. Not sure which of those two would get priority, probably Troi especially after Disaster, but I can't be sure.

>>15710

Regarding line for Uhura/Chekov, seniority at station could also play a role as well but then it could just as well be Kirk's preference. It's sort of hard to tell given how fucked SF's ORG chart is.

>>15728

This actually sounds like a scene that could plausibly be filmed, I can see it and hear it in my mind.

>>15737

See: Star Trek 3 + typical Fed anti-computer paranoia.

>>15728

OH GOD.. I can so see that happening. O'Brien must suffer. Poor guy. I wonder what kept him from simply phasering himself? Or any one of a million ways he could have made his suicide look like a painless accident…

>>15788

>I wonder what kept him from simply phasering himself?

Bashir talked him out of it because he was the only person on the station competent enough at darts to challenge his Supreem Genetick Manipulayshun powers.

>>15788

Because if he killed himself there would be nobody left to keep things running.

>>15947

He moved them to make his beard.

>>15947

Too much time in the sun as a child playing baseball permanently fried them off.

>>15954

Baseball hasn't been played in 300 years, right? Does that make Sisko a LARPer?

>>17517

Because fast food is shit. Just replicate a real meal.

>>17532

By default, isn't all food from the replicator synthesized and designed to be nutritionally balanced and "perfect", thus eliminating most health concerns when you're gorging yourself like a pig on replicator food?

>>17534

Can you post a video that isn't for ants?

Plus replicator food is also shit. Replicate a kitchen and cook some real food.

>>17535

>Can you post a video that isn't for ants?

Don't rightly know what you mean, anon. Seems a pretty standard hooktube embed to me.

>>17535

>Replicate a kitchen

Does it come with a Romulan maid?

>>17580

I like to go to the page videos are on so I can watch them in the proper resolution instead of some shitty little box. I can't do that with Hooktube unless I copy and paste the URL of the video myself, which just makes me not want to bother.

>>17581

Only if you've got a hologram projector.

>>15960

This is a good point, actually. It would be like someone today being really, really obsessed with playing that Mayan basketball-esque game.

>>17535

>Implying anyone can cook in an age of post-scarcity when you have a machine that can produce basically every dish imaginable

Sisko was the son of a man who literally owned a restaurant; that's the only reason he ever learned. I can't think of anyone else who regularly cooked anything in Trek, except for Neelix of course.

>>15706

If I remember correctly, Worf was in command in The Naked Now, while everybody else was horny from a Virus.

>>17599

There is a scene in season 2 in which Riker is making scrambled eggs for his colleagues. He explains that he had to learn cooking, because his father hated it.

>>17599

Anyone who wants to eat good food still makes it. There are multiple mentions across several series that replicator food NEVER tastes as good as the real thing. If I can't be a food elitist, then what's the point of being in the future?

>>17619

This doesn't stop people, today, from eating fast food, instant food, and microwaveable food. Most people today (especially those under 30) are barely able to cook boxed macaroni. If they had a device that could instantly produce a passable cheesecake, do you really think they'd practice for hours and hours to be able to make a better cheesecake? You underestimate human laziness.

>>17627

Okay, what's your point? Most people eat shitty food now and will in the future. That doesn't mean you shouldn't cook real food anyway.

Why did they redo TOS and replace model footage with CGI footage? It's so noticable.

>>17648

They "remastered it." I.e. they changed out most of the old practical effects for cg, and edited the show to run in a shorter allotted time. There were fewer commercials back in the day. They also straight up changed some scenes, like adding the long shot in amok time.

>>17631

My point was that hardly anyone in Trek knows how to cook, because they've gone their entire life never needing to. It wasn't meant to be some commentary on what's right or not. You're taking this way too seriously.

>>17674

And this is the copy that Netflix has? I've only noticed the CGI.

>>17648

>>17744

I think another issue had to do with a lot of the original film being "lost" or damaged. Same thing happened with TNG apparently.

>>17747

Why does this keep happening?

>>17674

>>17744

a meme. all other things being equal, practical effects are superior. but in practice and overall, practical effects are not always better than CGI to most eyes. A lot of the practical effects for TV before the HD era look like shit now because the models were low detail (because viewers weren't going to notice the details so why bother). The real tragedy now is the decision to use CGI over practical effects to save money on current productions.

If money were not a consideration, what those TOS remasters needed was for the exterior shots to be reproduced using a new physical model. The thing is, there is actually a limit on how good you would want to make the exterior shots look because you could easily overshoot the lighting and detail quality of the rest of the show footage and end-up with a jarring, mismatched product. If that's what we're going to do then why dont they just completely reproduce the entire series shot for shot with new sets and costumes and actors and then use the quickly maturing face-swap technology to overlay the original actors faces. See how crazy this can get?

>>17746

Cestus III was explicitly an anomaly, though. Yates first described "sliding into second" assuming Sisko would have no idea what she was talking about. While talking, she and Sisko also implied that Cestus III was the only place either of them knew of that had baseball games. Even that scientist guy in TNG (I think it was Season 3, episode 1, the nanobot episode), who could apparently memorize old ball games and play them back in his head, implied that baseball was an obscure and antiquated game a few times.

>>17599

Well ENT still have a chief, but yeah: in "Paradise" it is implied most people eat replicated food.

>>17678

That makes me wonder how people survive without a replicator?

>>17842

I'd imagine it would be like most people today without grocery stores. You think they can raise and butcher their own animals, grow their own vegetables and grain? Hah!

The only ones to survive would be the Klingons: they just eat everything raw.

>>17757

I don't entirely agree, but that's beside the point. It's the whole revisionist aspect that I don't like. When I watch TOS, I want to watch the same show that those nerds fell in love with fifty years ago. Yeah the effects will look like shit, they weren't even that great at the time. It's like when Lucas and Spielberg went back and fucked with their movies. Look at how many versions of the original star wars trilogy there are now. Fucking filmmakers need to realize films will never perfectly match their vision. Once it's out there they need to let it go, with very few exceptions.

>>18162

I completely agree with you on this point. Unless they set-up the storyworld to be iterative from the beginning, they shouldn't edit the old works.

>>18160

>Play Birth of the Federation

>Each race has a form of industrial farm to feed population

>Klingons have a hunting ground for food.

What is the official punishment of /strek/?

>>20510

Spankings

>>20512

followed by diapers

>>20514

>>>/tv/

>>20519

what Federation is best?

>>20667

Off-topic, but I just realized that (as well as being parody retards about many other things), they promoted Rico, THRICE! for being a dumb badass, not for actually demonstrating useful leadership skills.

>Oh, that guy just grabbed two stun-rifles and did some bitchin' backflips to capture the flag! he's clearly qualified to lead a squad

>Oh, that guy just jumped onto a tanker bug, shot a hole into its back, and dropped in a grenade! he's clearly qualified to be a corporal

>Oh, that guy just defied orders and sacrificed many soldiers to rescue his ladyfriend from a bug nest! let's give him command over the entire company now

If they lost the entire war, this kind of idiotic showmanship and bravado is why. The first "sky marshal" lost hundreds of thousands of soldiers because he had them just land on the fucking planet and suicide-charge millions of bugs while armed with pea-shooters, with zero air support or artillery support, or even combined fucking arms. The second one (a black woman, just to drive the point home) then turns around and actually does something reasonable (though significantly less badass) and has the planet be glassed from the air, and then small squads do pinpoint raids to mop up the mess, so this doesn't happen again.

Really need to watch this movie again. The layer of parody go deeper every time you look. It's a severely underrated masterpiece of filmmaking, lost under the book purists who whine about it not being perfectly the same.

>>20737

You're forgetting one important thing. The movie is meant to be a venomous parody of the book. It's a weak leftist meme meant to shit all over nationalism, fascism, and the military.

>>20746

Could a good, serious interpretation of the book be made into a movie?

>>20752

I think it would be doable with a director that cared about and understood the book that was also in an alternate reality where Hollywood wasn't completely cucked. The only potential issue I see is translating the segments of characters giving impassioned speeches into something visually compelling, but with competent talent behind the scenes that's far from impossible.

>>20752

Probably more a /television/ series but it would be likely pozzed to fuck. Anime have done it some justice though.

>>20746

>It's a weak leftist meme meant to shit all over nationalism, fascism, and the military

Never, ever, EVER mistake parody for condemnation.

>>20946

Thechemicals in the water makes it easy for them to forget. Why do you think everyone gets over torture, rape and other horrible trauma so easily? It's certainly not because of any contribution from the ship's councilor.

>>20949

You're right, but most of the speeches happen in the backdrop of a small classroom, with the audience of students ranging from boredom to ignorantly asking obvious questions.

Why are there 1000 people on the NG Enterprise? Engineering looks like 6-7 dudes running the show. Same for sickbay. Bridge too. 1-2 guys in the transporter rooms. Looks like around 100 people actually have a job. What is the rest doing? And why are there children and family on board of an exploration vessel. They are not settlers. Exploring space is dangerous as fuck as we have seen.

>>20967

I was under the impression that it's not meant to be an exploratory vessel, it's a flag ship and used for diplomatic endeavors. It's a portable microcosm of starfleet to flaunt in the faces of aliens who haven't joined the federation yet.

>>15697

> Archer>T'Pol=Tucker>Reed

There were several episodes of ENT where tucker pulled rank and refused to listen to t'pol's bullshit and threatened to eject the core/plasma/shoot t'pol

before he started pounding it

>>20972

he should have spanked her tbh.

>>21057

>implying he didn't

>Commander, I had a craving for supplements of Trellium D today. It is logical for you to discourage this behavior through corporal punishment

Will Orions ever be written competently? That is, not a one dimensional race that exists to provide green skinned space babes.

>>21087

What? Are you gay or something?

>>21087

TOS had a few of them as spies.

They always say "Set phasers on stun!". Does that mean that they usually walk around with phasers set on "Kill"?

>>21108

In the TNG episode where Riker is an undercover observer on a near-Warp planet, and the alien minister tries to use his phaser to false-flag the Federation, the weapon is set on stun, implying that's the default. Maybe "stun" is the default on away missions where peaceful intentions are expected, like observing a civilized society, but 'kill' is the default when the officers are beaming down somewhere more hostile. Or it's just a narrative device used by the scriptwriters to establish to the audience that no one is going to die in this firefight.

>>21109

I see. I interpreted it more like "Make sure phaser is set on stun. (and not accidentally on kill)"

>>21090

Anon, I can appreciate a fine female body as much as most other men, but there comes a point where you want them to have some actual use in a story besides eye candy.

This place died all of a sudden. What happened?

>>21118

We're at 49 unique IPs, I believe the board is normally around 50 (I don't check that often, so don't quote me on that). It's Saturday night, perhaps the other anons have gone to mix with the normies. Whatever the reason, I'm sure activity will pop back up soon enough.

>>21118

It's the weekend. As odd as it sounds this board is surprisingly more active during the week I've found than the weekend.

>>21112

That's what the other races are for, queer.

I have long suspected counselor Diana Troi to be a phony. I just rewatched the episode where she gets cucked by 2D amoebas and loses her empathic abilities. This confirmed my suspicion as she is completely help- and useless. How did she get the job in the first place? Affirmative action? Nepotism (her Khazar father or aristocrat mother)? Or did she go the classic way and fucked her way onto the Enterprise?

>>21135

>fucked her way onto the Enterprise?

Don't, the R34 is highly disturbing.

So I just noticed, that I never watched any of the TNG movies. Are they worth watching? Is there one I have to watch or shouldn't watch at all?

>>22373

First Contact isn't bad, at least those parts that don't include the Borg Queen. None of the other ones are worth your time however.

>>20969

>It's a portable microcosm of starfleet to flaunt in the faces of aliens who haven't joined the federation yet.

That's what it appears to be yes. Enterprise D=the fed's showroom luxury condo\galaxy class cruise ship to show and entice new planetary suckers membership.

>>22373

Pretty much agree with >>22375, FC is probably the best or least suckass out of the bunch. The other ones are only worth it for maybe the very early Maskettaman screen test scene.

>>22378

Eye.

>>22380

He was actually better in that screentest than in the film.

>>22441

No argument here, personally I'd even go as far as saying the screentest is a lot more interesting than most of the movie.

>>22463

Seems for the movie they just sped up the delivery. Great performance wasted on a piece of shit.

>>22523

Nemeshits had a lot of wasted potential. Remans honestly needed more buildup rather than just thrown in there. They also didn't feel like the "Bad Guys" since you sort of sympathized with them.

>>22380

He sounds a lot more refined in the first, like the son of an aristocrat: it works better than generic evil villian voice.

>>15697

Why do you have Kira so low in line, she is clearly first officer equal to commander rank and she is second in command after sisko. she takes command of defiant too when sisko spazzes out on wormhole shenanigans

>>22581

It makes no sense for shinzon to want to destroy earth. Destroy romulus, yes.

>>15728

<…Shuttle to Commander Data

>This is Data. Go ahead, Chief

<Commander…Spot has fallen asleep on the life support controls. The cabin’s temperature has fallen to 8 degrees celsius and is falling by a degree every hour. I would like permission to relieve Spot of command and adjust the temperature controls upward.

>Relieving a superior officer is a drastic step, Chief. Spot must have a reason he is on the control panel.

<Well, it’s very warm. Trust me. It’s the only thing here that is.

>Have you discussed the matter with him?

<…I…attempted to, sir

>And what was the result?

<I felt very silly.

>I am very distressed by your feelings, Chief. I shall take this under advisement. When I return to the ship I shall mediate the issue between you and Spot.

<Oh sweet Jesus…

>What was that, Chief?

<Nothing sir.

>I shall return in eight hours, I expect you to obey Spot even if his orders seem eccentric. We must respect the chain of command.

<…Aye-aye sir.

>>22615

And then O'Brien dies of hypothermia and Spot is given a medal of honor and is promoted to Lieutenant, where he now also commands Wesley. Further shenanigans to come.

>>22606

Muh provisional government. There's no way Starfleet would allow the military officer of a different government that's not in their complete control take command of their pivotal stations and ships.

>>22795

>There's no way Starfleet would allow the military officer of a different government that's not in their complete control take command of their pivotal stations and ships.

Are you stupid? She's First Officer and so can and she did.

She's first officer and second in command to Sisko. While she doesn't have any rank in Starfleet ships and stations, while on DS9 (and possibly the Defiant, although Worf is probably the XO there and she the third officer) she's the boss.

DS9 is a Bajoran station, remember, not a Fed-Starfleet one.

ST:E, what the hell is going on behind the door on Rigel X?

Rape?

>>23041

It's probably rape.

There's a surprising amount of it in the franchise, when you actually think about it. Even main characters sometimes get raped, like Uhura in Gamesters of Triskelion.

>>23042

Troi got raped at least three times. They seemed mostly chill about it tho. She didn't even give that much of a shit about that chick who claimed Riker had tried to rape her and then had her husband killed.

>>23053

>She didn't even give that much of a shit about that chick who claimed Riker had tried to rape her and then had her husband killed.

In that same episode she also said both Riker and the chick thought they were telling the truth. So she probably just assumed that Riker dindu nuffin and that the woman was driven hysterical and trying to find someone to blame for her husbands death, and just stopped paying attention to reality because that's what hysterical women do.

>>23074

>In that same episode she also said both Riker and the chick thought they were telling the truth. So she probably just assumed that Riker…

<…is a seriously deluded serial rapist.

>>23120

Nah, remember that Troi's been RIKER'D pretty hard herself, so even on the off chance that it really was rape, Stockholm syndrome will cause her to believe that Riker dindu nuffin.

>>23128

>implying Troy didn’t know what she was in for.

The little slut could broadcast thoughts into his brain. She used her witchcraft to turn him into a rape zombie sex slave.

>>23147

Fucking hell dude, spoiler that shit.

>>23147

Can you faggots not post that anywhere, anytime, with no provocation whatsoever? Jesus fucking christ.

Please yell at me for not saging.

>>20947

1 soma a day keeps the PTSD nightmares away.

>>23053

Troi came from a race of telepaths. Rape is probably like saying hello there on Betazed.

Was Lal programmed with data's level of carnal knowledge? I am pretty sure she was fully functional.

>>23288

It was implied that she knew everything Data knew because he pretty much just transferred over his own positronic matrix or whatever. I doubt he would have bothered to censor any portion of his knowledge because of ancient puritan human customs.

The real question is: was using contractions what killed her?

>>23291

>she knew everything Data knew

>Lal knew what it was like to fuck Tasha Yar

Wonder if she had time to ask Data about that.

>>23284

>Rape is probably like saying hello there on Betazed.

Replacing the word "hello" with "rape" in embed song lyrics, it suddenly makes a lot more sense.

>>22373

Tonight's the night. Going to watch TNG movie #1 and #2. They better be good or else…

>>23369

Can your eyes see your intenstines right now?

>>23370

Lemme check

>>23371

No, they are firmly lodged inside me.

>>23372

A similar reason is why the powerful sensors of the enterprise can’t defect what is going on inside the ship.

>>23369

> It felt like a TNG episode with extra steps and Kirk.

That's the general impression I got, and I think most other people as well. I think people are disappointed by that not so much because of bad quality per se, but because "extra long TNG episode" is kind of underwhelming from something that had the budget and planning time of a feature film.

>>23380

But I feel it when the Borg build a base in my tummy.

Also the computer can locate everyone on the ship and their vital signs. One should think there is some kind of monitoring program in place.

>>23381

When I have some time I make a 55 minutes cut, without Kirk and the nexus garbage. Add the tv series intro and we have a decent episode I guess.

Sorry if this is an ancient question that has been answered already (I haven't found a good answer elsewhere yet), but why isn't the transporter used as pretty much the ultimate weapon once shields are down at least?

>Transport hostile boarders straight into the vacuum of space

>A cluster of 10 or so photon torpedoes transported to various points around the target ship, set to ignite engines and home in from all aspects

>Spacing/capturing hostile crews the moment their shields go down

>Transport matter into hostile reactors, destabilising and shutting down their antimatter reactions

>Transport sections of hull out of the target ship, just a few meters away should do the trick - boom, 10 or so instant hull-breaches.

>Transport Gas canisters into the hostile ship, includes non-lethal options for star fleet

>If in orbit around an M-Class planet transport a few thousand tonnes of water into the enemy ship

>>23386

Both ships shields have to be down. If shields are down normal shots usually do the trick.

>>23382

>But I feel it when the Borg build a base in my tummy.

That's Borg cummies you big gaymo.

Ok bit more serious.

>Can someone explain how the Enterprises sensors can pick up a fart 10 light years away but they don't detect a Borg army that sets up shop in engineering?

Setting aside writing inconsistencies due to hollywood incompetence, or dramatic tension and sheeit. One idea I like is the trek universe sensors are similar to telescopes in that the longer the zoom, the smaller their field of view becomes. Enterprise-D sensors might be built or tuned for more long range and their short range sensors are meh to low grade tier, depending on the episodes and or movie in this case.

>>23389

A ship would run a high risk of being destroyed and there was no guarantee he would be in the Nexus when it was.

>>23369

>Can someone explain how the Enterprises sensors can pick up a fart 10 light years away but they don't detect a Borg army that sets up shop in engineering?

They do tend to distinguish in dialogue between "sensors", "long-range sensors", and "internal sensors". Maybe no one thought to check the internal sensors for Borg until they discovered them anyway.

Plus who knows what the Borg had done to the Enterprise's systems. They may have implemented countermeasures, given that they had direct access to the sensors themselves.

>>23369

>Enterprises sensors can pick up a fart 10 light years away but they don't detect a Borg army that sets up shop in engineering?

Sensors aren't automated. Someone needs to actually activate them and search for something in particular, with the exception of stuff like hull breaches, which the computer helpfully(?) announces to the crew.

As I recall, an enemy getting onto the ship usually triggers a warning as well, but the thing about the Borg is they're fucking hackers. It's a piece of cake for them to rig up a system that feeds the computer misleading data about what's going on (kind of like a high-tech version of someone putting a looping video clip into a security camera) so nobody is the wiser. Then they just sneak around section-by section assimilating crewpersons and taking over until they have all of the engineering deck. That's a critical turning point because engineering has those big blast doors that close in the event of a core breach or whatever, giving them a good defensive position.

The problem here isn't that the sensors were fooled, it's that the Borg as a rule ARE NOT SNEAKY. It's about as impossible to imagine them crawling stealthily through vents picking off crew members, as it would be to imagine a pack of St. Bernards with pots and pans strapped to them sneaking around your house. SOMEONE is going to hear that shit because they're covered with cybernatic parts and clunk around lazily. Their power is to be implacable and numerous, not quiet and tactical.

Really, I feel as if that (actually rather short) sequence of them sneaking was meant to be a take on the horror element of Alien(s). It wouldn't surprise me if the original script called for it to last a lot longer; but then they decided to cut it shorter because it was boring and made the movie too damn long and the Borg aren't fucking like that anyway.

>>23389

This was never really explained. It seemed from the way things were going when the Enterprise-B beamed them away that it takes some time for the Nexus to pull people inside of it, and the ship would be destroyed before this could happen and so he would die. However, even if you accept this as making it reasonable for why he would need to stand on a planet as the planet could not be destroyed the same way, the Nexus passed over the entire planet in the space of a second or two. This is too long for it to take several minutes (as the earlier sequence would indicate) for them to be "absorbed".

The only way I can make sense of this is to basically pull a reasoning out of my ass. Time exists separately in the Nexus compared to outside, but only for the mind. The body remains where it was, simultaneously inside the Nexus and outside of it wherever it was sitting (with the Nexus in effect "paused" in that location in spacetime, not moving relative to the physical Universe). But if anything happens to the location where your body is, you're pulled out of the Nexus, and die if wherever you are gets blown up.

Basically, imagine you're standing on a ladder and there's a floating bubble of magic surrounding your head. So long as your head stays in there, you stay inside the magic dreamworld. It also eternally keeps you alive as long as you're there because timey-wimey ball. But if someone comes along and knocks over the ladder, you fall down which pulls your head out of the bubble and thus out of the dreamworld. A ship is like the ladder, very fragile, but planets last for a very, very long time and are nigh indestructible. Presumably, if left alone, Soren would have been able to stay in the Nexus until the planet he was standing on was destroyed, in some billions of years (when the Veridian star expanded into a red giant).

This isn't actually "eternity", but to a human mind billions of years may as well be.

What is your swole fitness routine?

>>23429

Right now biking mostly for fun, to lose some fat and increase cardio stamina. Need to work in more upper body routine, I do work a bluecollar job so there are occasions where I get an upper body workout by lifting as well as grip strength.

>but cardio will make you lose gains!

Tbh I call mostly b.s. on that one at least for me. Looking at my frame and current condition, I still need to lose my spare tire first before I can build more upper body strength. Swole without strength is just fat. My legs are ok mostly just need some more toning, but it definitely obtained some swole from biking before and more recently.

tldr:I don't have the problem of missing leg day, and getting a bulldog physique aka swole upper body but tiny legs. I currently have a bullfrog physique, strong legs spare tire in middle okay but need improved arms and shoulder. Pic rel.

>>23414

>and the Borg aren't fucking like that anyway.

Agreed, I always liked their intro appearance on the series far better. They wouldn't sneaki breeki shit. When the Enterprise crew encountered and tried to interact with the first scout drone, the drone just ignored them. When the drone got phasered, they just send another one and carry the fuck on like business as usual.

>>23439

>but cardio will make you lose gains!

Yeah that's just a meme bros use as an excuse to get out of doing cardio. That being said, resistance training, i.e. lifting, does have more health benefits than cardio. Yeah cardio burns more calories, but lifting does a much better job of increasing insulin sensitivity, which is really the key to losing weight. It also makes you swole. All the cardio in the world can't do that.

>>23464

Gotta do both to hit that good balance imo, cardio's main benefit to me is not so much burning fat though that's good, but increasing stamina and "wind". Doing resistance training aka muscle building or at least toning up is good for fat burning because muscle burns fat better thjan cardio alone.

tldr doing both is the better way to get stronk and fit. Also a good diet can not be overlooked. Gotta eat stronk to get gains. Embed related.

>>23414

So does the Nexus match the planet's velocity then? Because if your body still exists in realspace, it would otherwise be passing in and out of the Nexus as the planet moved.

>>23465

I am always impresses by the acting range of the alien bounty hunter.

>>23490

Oh shit I didn't recognize him. Seems he's been in trek several times.

>>23500

I WANT YOUR EYES PIG

I WANT THEM

DO YOU WANT TO GO TO HELL WITH ME

>>23500

There's quick a few actors like that. Think the actress that played the mother of Worf's bastard I forgot her name played loads of different waifus.

>>24100

Every single frame of the entire series takes place in a separate alternate universe – each one is canon. Honestly considering Trek's size and scope the continuity is pretty solid. Time travel probably hurts more than helps, though.

>>24110

>pretty solid

Yes except for STD which is not canon.

>>24100

>>24110

The biggest problem about Trek time-travel is that it can't decide whether things that happen in the past immediately overwrite the future, or do not. Like in City on The Edge of Forever and FC, things that happen in the past have an immediate effect everywhere at once (Starfleet not existing or Earth being assimilated), but the MCs are protected by a bubble of plot. However, at various other points this doesn't happen. Year of Hell has the effect of the timeline have a similar effect, but instead of being instantaneous it spreads outward like a shockwave; I actually like this one the best, because it makes sense that time-fuckery could only change reality at the speed of light. Also, the entire existence of the Temporal Corps going around protecting the timeline seems to be counter to this, as any changes would also make them not exist.

Really, though, this is a problem with almost all media that uses time-travel. The only ones that are solid use a formula where anything that you do in the past is already predetermined, and cannot create an alternate future, just reinforce what will already happen. Star Trek flip-flops on this, as sometimes they're only fixing things, in essence bringing the timeline back to its original state. This could be seen as a variation of the above, where it was predetermined that they would succeed and nothing actually changes. However, other times this isn't the case, either. Like bringing whales from the past or the mobile emitter from the future.

It probably just depends on the writer.

>>24113

tbh I don't see why time travel can't flip flop between pre-determined and Year of Hell style shockwave change. Why can't it be like quantum mechanics and like a wave particle duality? Multiple ways to achieve the same thing. I agree with you though that it is wildly inconsistent and completely up to the writer.

>>24113

>>24117

If one of you could explain how the episode Cause and Effect works that would he great because honestly it makes NO logical sense

>>24113

>Like bringing whales from the past

I might be missing something, but what's the problem with this? It's not like they're changing the past to make sure whales have never gone extinct, they're simply bringing them to the present. To my recollection, there's nothing in Star Trek IV that suggests the past was changed, it might have been predetermined that the crew brought those humpbacks back.

>the mobile emitter from the future.

This one is fucky but logically speaking it makes sense, the emitter is just in a predestination loop. You can trace a Feynman path for the mobile emitter technology, so it's not violating any causality even though it's completely self-referential.

>>24117

>I don't see why time travel can't flip flop between pre-determined and Year of Hell style shockwave change. Why can't it be like quantum mechanics and like a wave particle duality?

Well, for one I'd say it's because that aspect of quantum mechanics is almost certainly bullshit, because like dark matter it's a product of just making shit up to make the math work rather than a reasoned, conceptual theory (but that's a rant for another time). You could use this idea within the confines of trek to explain away the inconsistencies, but if you're trying to create a coherent universe (or explain our own) that kind of thing triggers my autism. For one, it requires you to arbitrarily declare that true free will (future actions are completely unknowable, full-stop, no exceptions) exists sometimes in some places, but doesn't in others, with no good reason for why that is besides author intent. Going entirely by a physical standpoint, I think it's better to say the timeline is static, because from a purely physical standpoint free will doesn't exist–the human body and brain are just chemicals after all, made up of particles, and particles behave in consistent, predictable ways. Therefore, assuming the exact same initial conditions, all of these reactions will happen the same way, and you can all them predetermined. Free will still exists for all practical purposes, because the sheer number of simultaneous interactions is so vast you can't possibly hope to track them all, but from a physical perspective it does not. Okay, I'll put the fedora away now. If you establish that free will is just an illusion and the universe is truly deterministic, then it logically follows that the timeline is completely static–if you go back, you already have gone back, and any repercussions of your visit are already being felt.

>>24119

The only way you can do that is assume the Typhon Expanse is actually the name of some kind of narcotics Wal-Mart, and the whole episode is just a crew member's hallucinatory fever dream.

>>24124

>Dark matter

I think the whole idea of dark matter is collapsing at the moment. It has been decades with nothing to show or explain what dark matter is. Physicists are starting to look for alternative explanations now.

>>24124

Well, it violates conservation of mass, for one thing. See, all the particles that made up those whales in the past still exist in the future; the water is back in the rivers and oceans, the carbon is in trees or the atmosphere, all the metals are in the dirt and/or in other creatures. By bringing the whales to the future you've duplicated each and every one of those particles (and the same goes for the seawater they were in, and whatever elements made up the transparent aluminum) which is literally breaking the first rule of physics.

>>24134

Dark Matter is literally just a missing variable in an equation. Physicists created mathematical formulas that explained how everything in the Universe functions, and it all makes perfect sense except for the part where the mass of everything IN the Universe is off by a factor of magnitude. So they think that the missing mass must be there, but be undetectable/immeasurable.

The math says it's there, but that's a bit like how the Bible says God is there.

>>24139

>the math says it's there

But they can't find any evidence. The math is just a model of reality. It can sometimes point in the right direction but it is just a model.

>>24134

Dark matter and dark energy were never explanations, they were placeholders.

It's like not knowing what velocity is, and so using a variable symbol for it in all equations that require it, just to help you determine a close enough calculation.

It's also useful in that a single term helps scientists write requests for grants easier. It's hard to write a grant request to discover why our entire model of physics can't explain something we clearly observe happening.

>>24139

>Well, it violates conservation of mass, for one thing

All of time travel does that to some extent or another, which is why I haven't been considering it. If time travel is possible at all you must assume that this is somehow dealt with, e.g. when passing a mass through time an amount of energy proportional to the travelling mass is siphoned from the destination time to the origin time.

>The math says it's there

And it's incredibly lazy and unscientific to assume that your equations are perfectly correct and just invent a new form of matter to make the math work, rather than consider that maybe you're using the wrong equation. That's what happened with relativity; when the theory of gravity was shown to not accurately predict results at high velocities, the answer was to derive an entirely new theory that properly explains what's happening, with new equations to match. Not pulling shit out of your ass and stuffing it into the old equations until they "work."

>>24145

>Dark matter and dark energy were never explanations, they were placeholders.

That may have been the case originally, but most astronomers and quite a few physicists are treating it as a legitimate explanation.

>>24100

>That Frosted Frakes in the background

I always wish that was photoshopped it saddens me it isn't

>>24153

>All of time travel does that to some extent or another

It doesn't have to. Also, just because matter and energy are correlated doesn't mean you can just disappear matter wholly into energy. You can break down molecules into atoms, atoms into ions, and those ions into a colorful collections of quarks; but just like on the Promenade, you can't get rid of the quark.

As for Dark Matter/Energy, they just don't have anything else at the moment. Physics has been at a virtual standstill for a while, now, with most experimentation trying to prove the standard model, rather than attempt to find a new model. It's finicky because everything in the quantum world is illogical, nonsensical, and often can't be directly observed, which makes every kind of science humans have been doing since antiquity ineffective. They've hit a brick wall, here.

>>24153

>most astronomers and quite a few physicists are treating it as a legitimate explanation.

They are retarded, just ignore people who do that.

>>24189

Actually according to string physics the basic component of matter are essentially certain quantities of energy that are "stuck" in multidimensional space. If you "unravel" the multidimensional space into our 4 dimensions, you would release 100% of the energy stored in matter. The reason why black holes are so fucked up is that matter in it degenerates to the point where the multidimensional spaces containing every "particle" (for lack of a better word) actually fuse together into one continuous multidimensional space. In other words there is nothing physical or solid at the bottom of the universe, it's a series of energy waves folded into timespace, and those energy waves resolve to mathematical principles. The entire goal of string physics is seeing if we can discover what those mathematical principles are and discover how the universe works from the bottom up.

>>24189

>atoms into ions

Pretty sure you mean nucleons. The only one they have in common is the H+ ion, which is just a bare proton in aqueous solution. An ion is just an atom or or molecule with a charge.

>>24193

>They are retarded, just ignore people who do that.

If these people were only aberrations I would agree, but they're clearly more than just a fringe group and are the ones that are teaching this shit to incoming students.

>string theory

Well I suppose if we're discussing concepts that have only a strenuous connection to reality at best and are little more than mathematically-enhanced masturbation then you may as well bring up the field which does it the hardest.

>>24193

Don't talk about string theory ever. If physics is stuck at a brick wall then string theory is even worse. Imagine a theory that can't predict anything but can always derive the newest physics some other guy came up with using more classical scientific methods. That is string theory. Also, its a Jewish scam. The Jews are so up their own ass they endlessly spin around with string theory because the math is "beautiful". ((( string theory ))).

Are the aliens always bad in Jewish tv and movies because aliens can't be Jewish and all jews at some level are self-loathing? What I am saying is that I think Jews hate aliens because they can't be Jewish and a Jew is, forever.

>>24193

String theory is just some fuckers taking the wave-particle duality of photons and saying "wait, what if EVERYTHING were like this!". Also, I'm not sure how to feel about this explanation of black holes turning matter into nothing, considering Hawking Radiation is a thing. It seems more bizarre Zen philosophy, "everything is actually nothing", than hard science.

>>24234

>Zen philosophy

Orientalism must be purged from our society in all its ((( forms ))).

>>24250

Orientalism means Middle Eastern and the East Asian cultures and everything in between.

Star Trek suggests that in the 24th century nations don't exists anymore and everyone breeds with everyone. Then why do we still have an irish guy with an irish accent named O'Brien or an asian girl named Keiko Ishikawa. Does that mean that nationalism is still stronger than all that commie bullshit?

>>24266

That's the argument, yes.

For bonus points, bring up how Uhura speaks Swahili as her native tongue, or how John Luc speaks French, and so on.

>>24266

Because one's people isn't defined purely by sovereign nationality.

>Does that mean that nationalism is still stronger than all that commie bullshit?

Yes, but more to the point it means that on Earth the government isn't actively pushing that "one race, the human race" shit down anyone's throats, the way the UN is now. In Current Stardate Federation, every time Picard speaks French he would be chastised by some female crewmember for bitterly clinging to that outdated, problematic language; Simplified Universal English™ is all you need after all. This doesn't happen, so it's safe to assume that, within Earth at least, the space commies don't practice their outwards galacticalist agenda.

>>24252

>Oriental

>Middle-eastern

Nah.

>>24266

One can't completely remove all cultural distinctions in just a handful of generations like that. There's no reason why NAMES would change, either. People are still using the same names from thousands of years ago, despite all that has changed. As for accents, that has nothing to do with your genetics and everything to do with where you grew up.

Also,

>Communism is globalism

Are you fucking serious, bro??

>>24270

>Are you fucking serious, bro??

I'm pretty sure Marx himself thought a global communist state/society was necessary for the system to not fail eventually. "Workers of the world unite!" wasn't pulled out of somebody's ass you know. at least when it comes to relating to marxism

>>24274

Can confirm. Commies like to use the fact that communism only happened in the certain countries, rather than all over the world simultaneously as an excuse for why communist systems inevitably fail.

>>24279

>has a divergence point during First Contact

I wouldn't say so. The different intro clips in "In a mirror, darkly" certainly imply Terran history had some key differences such as the right side winning WW2.

>humans managed to somehow overpower their neighboring galactic rivals even though they haven't had the benefit of being a vassal

While this is a little harder to swallow, even in the prime universe it's implied that humanity's intrinsic ambition made them advance much faster than other races, despite their technological youth; They got to Warp 5 only a few decades after achieving Warp at all, a feat that took the Vulcans centuries. And remember that the Vulcan stewardship in the prime universe was holding humanity back from advancing "too quickly" at least as often as it assisted them. For all we know, having the benefit of reverse-engineering an intact Vulcans ship was actually better than heavily-curated guidance.

>everyone is just arbitrarily evil and it's not explained why

It's not so much evil as it is impulsiveness, if you ask me. I always saw it as a universe where everyone had much less restraint on their lizard brain. It's the same reason the uniforms are so skimpy: animal, hedonistic thoughts and impulses live much closer to the surface in this universe.

>despite a radically different history the main characters somehow are still born

Creative license. If there weren't at least some parallels, exploring the alternate universe isn't nearly as interesting. Constants and variables, to quote a mediocre overrated game.

>even then it's not really a mirror since Klingons and Cardassians are still the same but the Federation is still evil

I will agree that the DS9 MU is shit.

>>24279

>>24280

Wasn't it heavily implied that a lot of historical figures were more militaristic in their thinking as well? I'm pretty sure the mirror crew from ENT made some off-hand comment about prime Shakespeare and other writers being soft in comparison to theirs. Also something about the Roman empire lasting longer.

>>24281

Shakespeare was equally grime in both realities. It's not explicity stated but it is heavily implied that the "Mirror" Universe is a lot more impulsive and that it wasn't just the Roman Empire lasting longer, but basically any Empire that relied on expansion lasted a whole lot longer. Could very well be for example that the Mongolian Empire didn't lose momentum after Genghiz Khan died and just kept going.

>>24283

*Not contradict

>>24283

>I do think if that there was a war of conquest, it would have to be costly

And it was, wasn't it? Before discovering the Constitution-class Defiant the Terrans seemed to be barely holding their own against the revolting Vulcans.

>because everyone is too impulsive to act long term

You're not wrong there, and it's one of the issues I have with the MU myself. I guess if you construe it as everyone being too present-oriented and impulsive–both the rulers of empires and the people who might have tried to conquer them–it kind of works out, but there are definitely issues with trying to figure out how the MU actually works in the long run.

>>24285

I wouldn't really say impulsive. It's just more that war remained a big part of MU human culture, and the end result is essentially a human Klingon empire.

In the future are cake bakers required to bake homosexual interspecies wedding cakes? Also, how does marriage work if there is no religion to go with it? What is the point? Why is Riker entitled to a giant wedding if there is no money? Are all those people forced into performing for Riker?

>>24300

They're all his former sexual conquests. If they don't show up, he releases the video tapes of what they did.

>>24303

>They're all his former sexual conquests

>Wesley is in the background with Lt. Junior Grade rank

Story checks out.

>>24300

A marriage is nothing more than a public ceremony where people affirm their relationship. There's nothing else to it. The religious aspect is empty nowadays (and you can have a minister or rabbi or whatever bless the marriage without doing the actual ceremony), and the legal aspect is paperwork. The whole song-and-dance, the vows, the rings, the cake; none of that shit has any real importance or meaning, and none of it is actually BINDING. It's just an excuse to have a party, and for the man (or whoever) to publicly announce "this bitch is mine, hands off!".

Also, in the future all cakes are made by replicators who are incapable of being homophobic. They are incapable of refusing ANY order.

Does anyone have a torrent of the remastered TOS bluray realease? I already have TNG. DS9 remaster never.

>>24512

There's a fuck ton.

Tos Uhura gets BLEACHED by Kirk in TVs first bleached porn.

TNG Worf KLINGONED a couple white bitches and it's hard to keep track of Will Cunt Destroyer Riker but I'm sure he mixed with a shitskin forehead of the week somewhere.

DS9 suprisingly Sisko never BLACKED anybody but kept it black on black. It drifts into hard degeneracy however.

Voyager Seven gets YATAHEYED when she should rightfully have been HOLOGRAMMED

>>24514

>YATAHEYED

what does that mean?

>>24512

The only way they aren't all brown after 3000 years of contact between Europe and Africa, is some event during the Eugenics wars split the races into species.

This is why I think the Eugenics wars needs to be at least a cartoon show, and it needs to explain things as they are on the TV shows.

>>24514

Worf and Seven don't matter, they're different species. For them to even interbreed, there needs to be an intervention of a star trek doc. B'elanna Torres could only exist as a genetically engineered freak.

>>24515

The kim loser.

>>24514

But they don't have any biracial characters.

>>24518

They should just never mention the eugenics wars ever again

Even WW3 is going to be awkward pretty soon

>>24518

>they're different species

The number of natural hybrid characters in Trek completely belies that. Remember in that one TNG episode it was made canon that literally all the species of the galaxy are genetically related because of some progenitor DNA fuckery.

>>24528

No, that just explained why many species are humanoid shape. Basically a splinter cell of founders from DS9 went around and created a bunch of sentient species.

It never said that they were genetically related, or compatible for breeding (same species).

>>24531

>No, that just explained why many species are humanoid shape. Basically a splinter cell of founders from DS9 went around and created a bunch of sentient species.

There are some pretty unambiguous absolutelydisgusting.png reaction shots at the end of that episode as the spoonheads contemplate being related to humans. >>24531

>It never said that they were genetically related, or compatible for breeding (same species).

>It never said that they were genetically related, or compatible for breeding (same species).

In trek, genetic distance doesn't really preclude successful breeding; in most cases the offspring isn't even sterile: Worf's wife could still have kids despite being half human, there was the one-quarter Romulan in "Drumhead," and alternate reality Jadzia had multiple generations of ancestors in "Children of time" despite being the only Trill aboard.

>>24534

>In trek, genetic distance doesn't really preclude successful breeding

Sure it does, cross species breeding only happens with medical aid. This science was invented by Denobulans after Humans came on the scene and started fucking everything with a hole.

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Lorian

>>24523

WWIII in the real world is going to match pretty close to the tv show. They are estimating by the early to mid 2020s WWIII will happen. I know memory alpha says the early 2030s.

>>24536

It's not "genetic engineering", though, because that's banned. It's probably just some hormones or something they get from a doctor by injection. Regardless, the ease by which this happens and universal availability makes the argument entirely moot.

>>24518

>Worf and Seven don't matter, they're different species

a little rubber glued to someone's face doesn't change the fact what was broadcast on television was an interracial relationship. And in universe Seven just had implants, therefore saying Seven and Tonto wasn't interracial is like saying Blondie and Jamal wasn't interracial because Blondie had a glass eye. Even on the highest levels of autism it makes no sense.

>>24539

Sugoi as fuck

>>24549

Genetic engineering specifically for improvement is banned, and only when both parents are members of the federation. If they only use gene editing to fuse two incompatible genomes, but don't improve anything, it's ok.

>Regardless, the ease by which this happens and universal availability makes the argument entirely moot.

What?

>>24553

You're butthurt I'm using interspecies instead of interracial?

>>24563

That is some serious nit-picking bullshit. It's also grossly ignorant of how different the genomes of completely different species actually are (making a stoopid kid into a smert kid using genetic engineering compared to making a hybrid child from two species with, say, DIFFERING CHROMOSOME COUNTS, is the difference between building an IKEA bookcase and building a spaceship.

>>24623

Exactly. Starfleet frowns on building ikea bookshelves, and supports building starships.

Although even the bookshelves aren't some kind of criminal penalty, Dr. Bashir's street-shitter parents got an Aryan upgrade on their sons genetics… but even so he was just going to get kicked out of starfleet. There was no other consequence, he just has to leave.

>>24623

The problem with increasing intelligence/performance is that:

1. It is so easy every morally flawed faggot can do it.

2. It changes humans in unpredictable ways.

3. It led to the Eugenics Wars.

Speciesmixing doesn't fall into any of those categories, so its permissible.

>>24652

/tv/ pls

>>24624

The consequences were not on HIM, because he was the product of the crime, not the perpetrator. His father, on the other hand, was slated to go to prison for what seemed like LIFE, until some Starfleet shenanigans got this reduced to maybe a few years.

>>24661

That whole plotline ruined Bashir too. He was better when he was the Doctor who missed being the top of the class because he had a bad day and missed an easy question.

>>24652

There are 1 of those kind of black women for every 100,000 Uruk Hai negro females.

Are the Jews dead in Star Trek? I imagine that everyone but the Jews religion dies out.

>>24671

Star Trek is the masonic world order, a materialistic paradise.

>>24670

Most every human in Star Trek seems to be Catholic, talking of God and Heaven and whatnot. Unsurprising, because it's an American TV show. Most other species believe in some kind of deity and afterlife, too.

>>24682

>Catholic, talking of God and Heaven and whatnot

You dumb nigger, every Christian speaks of God and Heaven, not just the papist fucks. Protestants also a shit.

>>24690

Don't fucking nitpick denominations you bitchy whiny contrarian motherfucker. It adds nothing to the discussion.

Any online resources that I can take advantage of for the free viewing of any pre-STD Star Trek episodes and movies? I'd like to avoid torrenting if I can help it, mainly because streaming takes up less space on my hard drive.

>>24729

I'm pretty sure Pulaski did mention that the irishmen would also have three wives, but assuming you're correct in saying it was only three guys for one woman, perhaps the population ratio was three times as many men as there were women.

>>24731

>I'm pretty sure Pulaski did mention that the irishmen would also have three wives

Just re-watched, and you're partly correct. She never said it herself, but later in the scene Odell made a comment about going to pick his three ladies.

>>24729

Why were they pretending to be past-people?

>>24742

Original colonists were "neo-transcendentalists", basically people who thought technology was evil and was the reason WWIII happened.

4 light years / (200 * speed of light)

You can type this into google and get an answer in days how long it would take to get to alpha centuari from Earth at warp 5(ENT). It makes watching the show more fun if every time the characters list a distance and a time to fact check them. The answer is a week, a week at warp 5 to Alpha Centuari.

>>24748

Warp factor number was never consistent. The scale was KINDA logarithmic, but it varies wildly, is in "canon" changed between TOS and TNG, and then VOY just retconned it completely, making 10 an asymptote of infinite velocity.

Really, in basically every case, it was just fast enough to keep up with the plot.

>>24753

>fast enough to keep up with the plot

I know but I thought it might be fun for some anons.

When does the "split" happen between the prime universe and the MU? I like to think it's that hippie chick from City on the Edge of Forever surviving instead of getting hit by a car.

>>25162

The two universes have always been totally different and there never was a split. At least this is what the Enterprise opening to that season 4 two part mirror universe episode suggest.

is it canon than vulcan women have sex outside of pon farr or is that just autism on our part?

>>25214

T'Pol and Trip fucked outside of Pon Farr, there may be other on-screen examples as well.

>>25215

>T'Pol fucked outside of Pon Farr

even Vulcan has roasties

>>25214

You think Amanda Grayson waited 7 years to get laid each time?

It was confirmed by one of the TOS writers the pon farr is just when they get in heat, but sex happens outside of it too.

>>25224

Obviously.Trip on T'Pol was extra-ponfarric. Even in TOS a Romulan bitch was going to fuck Spock, he admitted to being willing to go through with it, and he wasn't in heat. BTW if you watch close the TOS Spock episode where he goes fuck crazy it implies in the end he fucked that nurse who wanted his dick throughout the series. T'Pol also fucked Phlox during her Pon-Far. We can extrapolate from this information when another Vulcan isn't available Vulcans fuck their doctors. They're a degenerate species.

>>26307

Because there were no replicators in TOS era you mongoloid.

>>26308

I am almost 100% certain they had food replicators.

>>26308

>>26309

I looked it up, and it appears they only had food synthesizers. Replicator was a term not used till TNG as you said. So I'll rephrase my question. Why didn't the salt vampire use the food synthesizer to make salt?

>>26310

Well, if I recall correctly the alien became progressively less sapient and more beastlike as it went through withdrawal, so perhaps it simply didn't have the abstract reasoning ability to try something like that. It's also went after salt by "smell," if the salt's all sealed up in a storage hold it may not know it's there.

>>26310

The creature probably found salt unsatisfying compared to blood. When there was more than one human around it went on a binge.

The creature seems pathological in its need to feed on living beings. I mean fuck, even if they couldn't replicate salt, they have salt onboard the ship since Sulu had a salt shaker.

Ultimately it was a weak idea and an episode before replicators or food synthesizers were introduced.

>>26313

>they have salt onboard the ship since Sulu had a salt shaker.

The salt vampire tried to go after Sulu's salt shaker in one of the scenes.

>>26314

It's almost like they would randomly forget in universe rules, and plot points.

>>26314

Synthesizing food could be considered unhealthy in the 23rd century or it could be so energy intensive that food storage is practical when energy is needed for shields/warp.

>>26314

Could be that food synthesizers weren't capable of making anything better than McDonald's-tier food and they needed a chef to supplement.

>>26321

>It's almost like they would randomly forget in universe rules, and plot points.

Also this of course. Anyone have a plausible in-universe explanation why the phaser alarm was a think in Star Trek VI and only Star Trek VI?

>>24742

Because Star trek has a huge boner for secular space amish luddites

>>26704

Huffing.

>>26704

Wraith Rammin

>>26704

Miasma Mingler

>>26704

Sparkle Smashing

>>26704

Transporting

matter to energy

anyone know where to find starfleet command pdfs? I wanna play it, but I can't find anywhere with the pdfs

Alright, time for the big questions.

In the True Canon™, is warp a linear or a logarithmic scale?

>>27675

It's definitely not linear, and not exactly logarithmic either. The least-wrong formulas I've seen are on https://www.calormen.com/star_trek/warpcalc/

>>27675

The warp drive also has a bit of "the speed of the plot" element to it. On ENT and VOY everything seems to be 3 or 4 light years away. Let's assume 4 light years. Going at 200c still takes a week to reach the destination.

Punch this into google:

4 light years / (200 * speed of light)

>>27698

There were sequels, but they were fucking terrible and drawn by some faggot. There was no swole.

>>27699

That's what I mean. The sequels were swoleless, and I was wondering if the swole will ever return.

>>26330

Good answer about the diplomatic mission. I want to add that an aircraft carrier needs to be resupplied every 90 days or so with food IIRC. A ship like the Enterprise, crew about 400, would probably only last a similar amount of time in space.

Where did everyone go around here?

>>26314

If your primary mission is to seek out new life are you really going to let your first impression be to offer a dignitary the equivalent of an MRE? Think anon.

>>27698

Only if we make it.

>>27725

There's not much to talk about.

>>27734

>only if we make it.

So never?

Did we ever get an explanation for why that one admiral in DS9 wore operations colors (gold) despite being a flag officer? Can't find a pic unfortunately.

>>27748

Orville comes out next month so gives us something to watch.

>>27753

Maybe he was one of those undercover bosses.

>>27753

The only uniform in the extra's size that was available the day that the scene was shot was a gold one.

>>27768

Makes him sound almost fat.

>>27725

Just wait until every catches an STD in January and then this place will become lively again.

>>27790

I would rather this place be dead than talling about STD. I plan to call everyone who watches it a faggot.

>>27790

The Orville is out in January anon.

Not so much a question as an observation: The permanent crew of every non-TOS series has:

>two women

>one nigger

>one regular ayy

>one special snowflake ayy/machine

>>27804

Actually, so did TOS.

Two wammen, one of (Uhura) which was a nigga (the second, Janice Rand, got cut from the show). Spock was both the ayy (Vulcan) and the snowflake (half-blood).

>>27832

You should see him when he joined the KDF.

>>27832

And they live longer. Star Trek accidentally keeps making aliens superior to Humans.

>>27834

ENT, with its comments on how quickly humans got to Warp 5, implies that trek humans are like Tolkien humans: their short-lived nature drives them to be more ambitious and restless in their limited lifespan, and they end up accomplishing bigger and greater things than the other races.

>>27834

>>27837

The Tolkien influence can't be overstated. Vulcans are straight-up Tolkien Space Elves. Put Legolas in a starfleet uniform and you'd never know he wasn't green-blooded.

>>26314

Why do current military ships have them when all they need is a cargohold of MRE rations?

Because eating real food makes you feel human again. Even Miles who loved emergency rations spoke fondly of his grandmother who cooked real meat cut from real animals on a real fire and nothing could compare with that.

Also, you can see the distaste on kirks face when he ate those playdough cubes. No one wants that. In TOS there was a chef who would make meatloaf for thanksgiving dinner on the Enterprise(Charlie x) and they had synthesizers as well. Thing is they are SHIT. While replicators are better presentation and flavor wise the fact remains there is no substitute for real food made by a real person.

THIS IS THE only thing I can think of that I agree with Neelix on.

>>26737

Matter Energy Perversion!

>>27832

Alexander was one of the laziest characters they ever invented. The writers clearly gave less shits about him than Worf.

>>27847

replicated food supposedly tastes synthetic to a lot of species. It's too "perfect" that everyone begins to notice imperfections.

Does anyone know of a place to stream TOS without the CG stuff they added in later? I'm a purist when it comes to stuff like this, and the new special effects take away a lot of the charm of the old stuff for me.

How does Samantha Wildman squeeze out Naomi without tearing herself open? Her species mixing would get her killed without a doctor.

>>28195

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Fetal_transport

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Second_Skin_(episode)

>The brief scene of 2 cardassians watching the outdoor monitor playing the "look to the children" message is taken from "Tribunal", though with some changes. In Tribunal the shot starts showing a wider angle of the city and pans over to the screen as 2 cardassians walk into view and ends just after one turns toward the other. In this episode the shot starts as the one cardassians turns toward the other and continues several seconds past where it ended in Tribunal. The message on the screen is also playing from a different timestamp.

>In this episode the shot starts as the one cardassians

>one cardassians

Does this need fixing?