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>nomod bodies is now the standard

i wouldnt mind normally but the standard is to also have basically 3x of the really high poly body stacked on top of each other to achieve tattoo/clothing/skin layers

avatar render weight doesnt show it but i can feel it everytime i put one of venus/belleza/isis whatever bodies on and i lose 10 frames

>>29521

Hell, anything no-mod that isn't a script.

While there's certain specific circumstances where no-mod makes sense, most people do it for one of the following three reasons:

1. They're an idiot and think it protects against copybot.

2. They're insecure and are terrified at the idea that someone might mod their special snowflake art and ruin it...or worse, make it better.

3. They're crooks, trying to rip their customers off somehow. (I'm looking at you, TMP.)

>>29517

You want to know why people still use Kemono and Av 2.0, besides looking nice they're moddable and have tonnes of moddable content available for them. Being moddable has actually opened up an even larger market for them since you can not just buy a kemono shirt, but also a dozen texture/material mods for that shirt.

Also, like a lot of furry avs, they get update support. Pretty sure when Uti releases the bento update for both bodies, current owners will get them as a free update.

>>29521

>avatar render weight doesnt show it but i can feel it everytime i put one of venus/belleza/isis whatever bodies on and i lose 10 frames

That, too. Most SL users have spent the past 15 years arguing that polygon counts and textures somehow DON'T affect framerates and LL hasn't done anything to try and convince them otherwise, so the market is flooded with that crap.

>>29525

>(I'm looking at you, TMP.)

Well I mean you know that one as soon as you hit the "you have to use a non-Linden currency and marketplace to shop for our stuff" part. There's absolutely no way a setup like that isn't fuckery of some stripe.

>>29525

you are right about tmp. they copy botted someones mesh male avi. and then tried to sue the guy over it.

as much as i love them

>gacha

its fucking impossible looking up anyhting on the marketplace without seeing those flooded

Kemono apologists like in this thread.

Y'all look like right out of mmd, lmao.

>>29540

For a furry avatar there isnt really other choice when it comes to clothing support and flexability unless youre willing to shell out a bunch of cash for a custom one

>>29540

>i enjoy having my framerate a nice and low number i can count to because any number higher than 20 scares me

you tbh

>>29537

>Why do they still let 300000 prim bimbo trannies walk around and fuck up everyones framerate and having their Internet choke on bandwidth trying to load the hulking mess of an oc?

Honestly, I'm convinced it's because no one at LL has game design experience or any practical regarding art assets used in realtime 3D rendering. At least no one with decision making authority. They seem to feel that they can just leave all that to the userbase and everything will turn out fine.

>>29549

The openness to SL is a double edged sword to be honest on one hand you get alot of good creative things on the marketplace but so many custom items and scripts made on an outdated and clunky scripting language (LSL) makes the game horrendously unoptimized...

I have a fairly simple ava but bdsm rlv cuffs and my collar makes it shoot up to 125,000 complexity which is terrible.

>>29551

Kinda....but not entirely. See you could keep SL just as open to creativity as it is now, while curbing the worst habits.

Hiring pro level artists with real practical experience would have allowed LL to develop better tools and reasonable caps on resource use. So you'd be able to make an avatar that looks as good as the best SL has to offer now, but without killing framerates, and you'd be able to do it easier than you can now. You just can't develop decent tools for someone if you have no idea how that person will be using those tools.

Scripting is outside my expertise but it seems to me LL could have used a language like C# if they wanted to, and also included a library of pre-made scripts to accomplish common tasks (ie: doors, teleporters, rotation, texture animation). Non-scripters would be able to use a simple interface to select the features they were looking for and apply them, while people who know how to code could still script from the ground up.

Combine features like those with simple, resident-friendly tutorials on topics like basic optimization issues and SL could have turned out a lot different.

The kemono is the only avvie that is petite with great modding capabilities along with mod/creator support.

I wish the Nauha had more, I would be using that, but the Kemono is still a nice avvie.

Anyone that argues with it's good quality is just being contrarian. It is a good quality mesh avatar.

Deal with it.

Is it the only one?

No, but it has its place.

>>29548

>I can't afford a decent pc

lol poorfag, even my 4 year old pc got 60 fps with a 660, now with 1080 fps aren't a concern at all

>>29559

1080 fps's a second

yeah but what about on crysis on max

>>29559

I don't think that's what hes saying

I have the same graphics card, the 2gb version to be specific and I still get lag spikes depending on where i'm at in world.

His point is the kemono is overall a lightweight avatar when it comes to render complexity and it doesn't force everything to lag up the place... Honestly if everyone had a kemono there would be 10% less lag compared to the oldfag autists who still use primatars.

Tell me one body that is better than the kemono in regards of mod ability and clothing and i'll shut the fuck up.

>>29541

Not quite true. Just take a mesh av that uses standard SL av mapping, download the textures of the fur av that uses a standard body as a base, add an alpha channel,lower legs if needed, select the body's head by texture and set it's alpha to 100%, put on furry head and you're good

>>29564

mesh bodies based on the LL uv map (belleza, slink, maitreya) all have much better clothing support than kemono, and unless you are braindead, appliers are easy to use.

The problem is that animefags and furries don't think outside the box and think that because human avatars use those bodies, they can't use them, even though there's people making skins for exactly their purpose.

mm yes i love LL texture clothes still existing in in the year 2017 thanks to these mesh bodies that implement such a feature at triple the render weight

its just funny to me that LL texture clothes are now a large source of resource hogging now thanks to these bodies

>>29537

>>29549

They did try to address this somewhat with avatar complexity limits at least.

>>29568

no one with a sense uses texture clothes other than for underwear. try harder with your shitposting, kemono shitter.

>>29563

>select the body's head by texture and set it's alpha to 100%

>take a mesh av that uses standard SL av mapping

They seem all no mod though???

>>29571

Many people don't have sense

>>29572

>what is alpha hud

>what is head isn't even part of mesh body and is actually separate object

>>29573

yeah kemono users for example. All your avatars look the same lol

>>29571

fug i dont even use kemono

fugggg

>>29566

Still have yet to see any decent anime-esque skins for Maitreya/Belleza, and on that note, less ones that can match anime heads too.

>>29566

>LL uv map

The fact that we're still hobbling along on that nightmare abomination of shit-tier optimization in the first place is depressing. Sansar can't possibly come soon enough. At least they hired people who can actually make bodies this time around, so even though the defaults we've seen still look robotic, we'll at least have a decent skeleton to work with when making replacement bodies that don't suck shit through a twisty straw.

>>29584

You literally just enforced my argument, thanks!

why would you need more than 4 flat chests? Lmao it's just a flat chest no need for like 12...

>>29576

but I don't use the kemono

I'm not the one you called a kemono shitter either

do you understand how anon boards work?

>>29583

The Kemono doesn't really look human without mods that replace most of it.

>>29604

Thats what the avatar 2.0 is for

>>29603

Glad to see my bad influence stuck with you.

>>29603

Do not worry Belone. we'll make a new skin for you, so you can finally get a decent body

>>29610

but i don't want to look like a kid or a teenager

>>29603

strange usually people dont want to use anything but shiddy LL mapped bodies because they dont want to make the skin for it

>>29610

Sure, it just seems a lot of these posts are about the Maitreya-likes vs. the Kemono, which just seems odd to me.

2.0 vs the other human bodies makes sense though, yeah.

I like a lot about the 2.0, but I don't like the limited market, the awful feet, and it's getting a bit outdated now. The fact that it's mod instantly makes it better than the other bodies though. Besides possibly the Nauha, but the Nauha has its own set of problems (head, fingers, and being abandoned by its maker, to start) and virtually no third-party support.

Right now for me the body market goes Nauha > 2.0 > Ebody > Maitreya > Belleza = Slink > TMP.

There may be others I'm missing, but that's the main ones off the top of my head.

>>29641

shit taste, opinion discarded

>>29517

Successful troll data mining operation is successful.

>>29649

nice tits bitch

Body-dysmorphic tumblrite proportions, chipmunk faces, permanent tiptoes (not just using them for a photo or something), people complaining about anime avatars when their own avatar is a sterling example of how *not* to make a realistic human avatar, unrigged boots that don't also include rigged versions, no-mod anything (ESPECIALLY if it has a useless script in it that you can't delete), poorly-optimized textures (50-90% blank space, higher-resolution than necessary for a small object, etc.)

Also when I find a piece of furniture/decor that I like but it's super-high-LI and I *know* I could upload the same model with different LOD settings and lower the LI dramatically without compromising much detail.

>>29670

yeah but you'll still look like a bad miku miku dance model so what does it even matter

>>29672

What makes you think they're even an anime? I agree with everything they said and I use a human avatar.

>>29641

i used to be in the department of " no mod, its shit " but then I actually got the freya and maitreya.

you can literally do everything u can with the body as if it was mod, only instead of right clicking the body and dragging a texture over it, you use a notecard and copy the UUID over it. it also has layers for latex or lingerie skin tight clothes and shit, 2.0 and kemono dont have that.

sacrifice yourself my man

>>29679

Can I put my own script into it?

>>29680

what kind of stupid fucking script do you want to put into your own body, what kind of dumb ass question is that. a bumper? get fucking real.

>>29681

Can I make textures for it and use local textures to preview it on the body in movement?

>>29682

there we go, now thats an argument. that's something I can agree with. it is pretty shitty theres no dummy version of the body thats rigged so u can preview texturing.

in that case, I use other bodies that DO have mod, like the terrible bimbo lady body for an example.

otherwise, yea u have a good point.

>>29682

yes, just rip it and reupload, then us that as dummy

>>29686

Can't rename it either, which is not a big deal, but also a thing.

Limited materials control is also a big deal in some cases. Transparency effects are either completely unable to be used or limited too. Same with limited to no glow options in some less common cases, but still affects some people.

And I think you're underestimating the putting in our own scripts issue. For many fantasy avatars it's really helpful. Or just for lowering our script count and memory.

Just because it hasn't affected you much personally, does not mean "you can literally do everything u can with the body as if it was mod".

Maybe you can do everything you, yourself, want. But not people who do more unorthodox, and sometimes very cool, things with their avatars.

>>29690

people who make cool things with their avatars don't wear kemono

>>29691

What do they wear?

>>29583

>he wants to have the body of a starving ethiopian child

fuck off kemonofags

>>29567

kemono isnt even done well. There's better anime/petite bodies out there. like philo sophia body, that do not require its own special ecosystem of mods and clothes to work properly.

>>29690

i never thought of any of that. I guess I was wrong, i guess no-mod bodies are pretty shit, when you put those other things into context and in the picture.

really makes me wonder why freya is even no-mod in the first place. just why

>>29701

Philosophia is probably the only other anime fitmesh body that people recognize and you have to conform to a strict body shape if you want to have clothes that fit for it, barely utilizing any of the functionality of it if you don't want to deal with impossible clipping. That and it's also barely supported otherwise.

>>29708

> i guess no-mod bodies are pretty shit, when you put those other things into context and in the picture.

It really depends on how much you like to mod. If everything you want to do you can do with the HUDs and appliers of the no-mod body, there's no reason for you not to go and enjoy using those bodies.

That said, there are people who like to get really creative with their modding and and find the no-mod market extremely stifling.

>really makes me wonder why freya is even no-mod in the first place. just why

That's the frustrating part, this is no reason to make a body no-mod. No one gains anything from it. Not the customer and not the seller. (The exception being actual scams like TMP.)

Most people who sell no-mod just do it because they think it protects against copybot.

>>29718

yeah that sorta is the final nail in the coffin for me using the maitreya.

The mod ability and the modularity kemono/2.0 is what draws me toward the two bodies, I don't care if its ripped from some shitty japanese dancing game it's solid.

but then again i'd also be in here defending my 2750L purchase by calling everyone who uses a more practical kemono/ava 2.0 a faggot if I actually bought the Maitreya soo.. You folks are really starting to grasp for reasons to actually buy the dumb thing, just chose what you like damn.

>>29718

The only other reason I've heard for no mod bodies is because they are worried their idiot customers will break it and then complain about it being broken.

>>29723

Are people really that stupid where they can't just make a copy of the avatar itself? I mean damn, if they're that dumb then how the fuck do you expect them to handle the confusing mess that is the UI?

>>29719

The thing is, the Maitreya does have a bigger market and is a decent body. It's just that absolutely infuriating little check box they ticked off to make it no mod that ruins it for some.

Depending on what you need it's not a bad choice.

Unfortunately no body does what I need, and is widely supported, so I just barely use SL anymore, myself. I hope somebody will come along and make a new, good, mod enabled body now that Bento is out, and it will get as much support as the Maitreya does, as well as being able to fit most Standard Sized clothing (within reason), and has convenient alpha cuts.

But I'm dreaming. It will likely never happen. The best bet I know of is the new body being made by Golden Bee, since they are hitching their wagon to the Meli Imako brand which should gain them a lot of traction. But unfortunately their hands they recently came out with have me worried about how good it will be. But I know it will be mod and Bento enabled, so that's promising.

Here's hoping they surprise me with the quality and it starts getting support. They did say they would be providing a rigging model for easy rigging by third party developers, which is really good. I hope that's still the plan, since it was stated a while ago.

>>29726

These are the hands, for reference: https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/DEMO-GBCS-Rooth-Animated-Bento-Hands/10705185

>>29726

> I hope somebody will come along and make a new, good, mod enabled body

Me, too, but more than that what needed to happen before mesh even took off was LL needed to introduce an updated standard mesh body.

Mesh bodies are great, and some of them have a lot of support, but the fact is before mesh came out you could walk into just about any store, buy any clothing off the rack, with reasonable confidence that it would fit your avatar.

You might need to make some manual adjustments to the attachments, but you could wear it.

You can't do that anymore and it makes SL that much more unnecessarily complicated, especially for newer users.

>>29726

>>29737

lol oldfags

go to sleep grandpa

>Most people who sell no-mod just do it because they think it protects against copybot.

When will this meme end.

No, that's not why people sell things as no mod.

>>29719

>graps for reasons

I don't have to grasp for reasons. Belleza/Maitreya/Slink all have better clothing selection and more professional creators catering to them. Kemono/Orange Nova scene is a bunch of amateurs banging rocks together in blender, apart from maybe a handful creators, but that's pushing it already.

This is all the reason anyone needs.

but what advantage does no mod offer over mod

objectively this is a silly argument

>>29740

>actually defending LLbody linebacker shoulders

>>29740

you can tell how professional it is by the wireframe! more poly = more professional!

>>29753

Well, my first instinct is to say "none whatsoever", but I guess realistically if you only sell no-mod products you'll never have to worry about people bugging you because they forgot to make a backup copy of your product before accidentally breaking it while attempting to modify it.

Granted, that's a lazy and selfish reason to make your products no-mod, but it's the only reason I can think of that isn't based on ignorance of what making your products no-mod actually does or does not do.

>>29765

> but I guess realistically if you only sell no-mod products you'll never have to worry about people bugging you because they forgot to make a backup copy of your product before accidentally breaking it while attempting to modify it.

Put the item in a box before you put it up for sale. That way your customer always has a fresh backup copy inside the box.

>>29767

You just know some idiot's gonna delete their box.

>>29767

Redelivery systems are an even more elegant solution.

>using a mesh body

>while still using the LL head

It used to be excusable because there were so few mesh heads and they had basically no features, but that stopped being true at least two years ago.

tl;dr:

"Kemono sucks"

"No it doesnt, it's so much better than the better made everything out there"

>>29767

>>29778

>>29779

Redelivery systems and extra boxes do not solve the issue: that someone fucked up their item because they were too stupid in the first place. They will find a way to bug you regardless of what permissions you use, what countermeasures you take, what warnings you put on the box/ad, etc.

I have straight up seen seen people try to apply skins for the kemono on a regular LL avatar. I have had people ask "why advertise this product as kemono if it doesn't fit all addons for the kemono!!!!" when all the addons that it fits are listed on the page (and then they demanded a refund cause it didn't fit their titties.)

The only way to avoid dealing with this shit is to straight up ignore people and/or get someone else to do your customer service.

>>29798

kemono is better at being a pedo anime avatar tho

checkmate

>>29798

Some people value access to a lot of clothes/addons on an avatar that they can texture easily and do cool shit, like transparency/glow/emissive maps/auto alpha scripts/etc with. Also, most of the clothes are modifiable and generally aren't super high-poly.

Others prefer avatars that are harder to modify, but can use all the nice, but resource-intensive and rarely modifiable items that come out at events, as well as appliers.

Both are fun to play around with. I've built avatars using the 2.0 that I could never do on any of the LL replacement bodies I own, and vice versa. "Better" isn't really about the body you have, as long as the body is okay. Better is about you putting work into your avatar to make it look good.

>>29816

Yeah, except that you can't make kemono look good lol

>>29583

>Most furries use it

>Most

>Furries

I don't know which clusterfuck you're going to, but you seem to be really out of touch if you think most furries use it.

If anything they're using far scaled down Anthro Anim bodies. The Atlas Boy one makes an amazing male body if scaled just right.

But a lot of furfags are still on not only sculpt-mods of Daenotaur bodies, but a plethora of mesh bodies readily available on the marketplace. It's actually becoming a running joke that Kemono users don't know how to mod and just throw money at their problems or cub players.

>>29798

Pretty much

Kemono is good if you don't want to spend 5,000 lindens on a head, body, and clothes for one outfit.

>>29903

>Atlas body

>Good

The way the UV wraps around the body is really bad unless your texture is so basic, and I hope you like having a triangle body cause you can't scale down those obnoxiously wide shoulders.

Also the rig job is dodgy at best.

>>29911

Honestly this, a lot of AA's stuff has messed up UV maps that mess up perfectly good textures. That and the tri count is so unnecessarily low that it makes it look like shit.

>>29525

>most people do it for one of the following three reasons:

You missed one of the big reasons that people do it:

They know most of their customers are idiots and they don't want to provide support for people who break their products trying to mod them, and know they'll eat more negative reviews for refusing support than they will for just making their product no mod.

>>29962

To be fair, that's no more valid a reason than the rest. Other people have been releasing modifiable products for years without issue.

>>29962

>>29965

Okay but counterpoint here, someone once gave me a shit review because they didn't know they had to turn on ALM in order to see spec/normal maps.

Even though it says exactly that in the product description.

I'd still make things mod, because I think no-mod should just be straight fucking disabled on anything other than scripts and it's completely ridiculous that someone can't modify their own product. But yeah. SL has so many examples of human stupidity at its very finest that I can at least understand that reasoning.

>>29968

>can't modify their own product

*their own purchase

Fuck me.

>>29517

>doing all your skins and clothes all over again every year because the body is no longer "trendy"

>>29968

>Okay but counterpoint here, someone once gave me a shit review because they didn't know they had to turn on ALM in order to see spec/normal maps.

Sure, and I totally get that. I do! I'm not even denying that there is a possibility that someone will break their moddable mesh body somehow, not realize they can get a fresh copy, and give the creator a bad review on the marketplace. It could happen. It does happen!

I'm just pointing out that the problem isn't so large that it will have any real impact on your business.

The people who sell no-mod due to this reasoning are definitely losing more sales because of it than they might have lost on the off chance someone gave them a poor review in this scenario.

>>30075

There's also the fact that anyone with half a brain will read the poor review, realize that it's just somebody too retarded to figure out how to use the product and not actually the creator's fault, and dismiss the negative review entirely.

>>30083

mmm yes very impressive

you are quite skilled

is this the response you wanted when you posted this? lol

>>30084

no, I wanted to bring up the unacceptable practice of body makers not letting you touch the model

>>30083

You need to have a willingness to compromise, when you make avatars. As much as I'd love huge breasts on an av actually conforming to clothing, I know it wont happen because of the effort required, so I'll never fuss about having it.

>>30086

>I know it wont happen

>literally a picture of it happening right above

>>30083

Does this require you to re-upload the body?

>>30083

>>30085

I can't think of any decent mesh body you can do that to. I agree that being able to modify the model itself would be great, but not so much if it means starting from a sub-par base and having to work to make it look good when there are better bodies available.

Besides, the downside of having a unique customized body is that nobody out there makes clothing for it. For that reason especially, I doubt I'd bother making any huge changes to the mesh body I use even if I had access to the model. (Of course, from the example you posted I'm guessing "fitting into clothes" isn't much of a concern for you.)

>>30083

Actually, you can.

You can do it if you have their rigging dummy or ripped them.

>>30091

If by "decent" you mean "not furry" then no, nothing currently exists in that category. It's the biggest reason why I still use a furry avatar.

With sufficiently open access to the model the "unique body" thing is a non issue, it's dead simple to make slight alterations to a boob and then include it with the shirt because modern mesh bodies are segmented all over the place already.

>>30092

Is there a kemono dummy that's not accessible to the public? The one uti has on his website is decimated and has no UVs.

>>30092

>ripping bodies

>rigging

uhhhhhhhh

>>30102

uti will give you the kemono rigging dummy if you let him smash your loli puss

>>30105

guess I'm SOL, since I'm not a pedophile

>>30106

same fam

>>30087

That's not what's happening in that picture. That's an entirely new model being made outside of SL that I'm guessing lines up with a model that's already in SL. It's not a set of clothes in SL pushing against a separate body model in SL and causing it to conform. I don't think it can even be done currently in SL, to have a body that actually conforms to clothing you buy. That would be amazing, but pretty unlikely to happen anytime soon in any game, for real, due to the physics involved.

The best we could hope is similar to what's actually, I think, in the picture above. A piece of clothing that is made where the part of the body that it would affect is also included and part of the model you buy, and then matches up with the rest of the body. So when you buy it you're really buying a whole new torso or whatever body part. But for that to be common-ish, one of these body makers would have to provide a full copy of the body, exactly as it is in world, with rigging and uvmap included and intact. No edits or changes to gunk it up.

>>30119

Isn't that how clothing already is in most games that have customizable body shape? Granted of course, those games only usually have two at most bodies to shape clothing over and all work together to keep a unified artstyle/quality compared to SL :v

>>29517

>>29520

>>29521

>>29525

>>29535

>>29537

Couldn't agree more.

>>29548

Some of us aren't running SL on a toaster Anon. Get an upgrade.

>>29583

Nice bait their Uti we know you like em flat chested and young.

But yeah for the topic of the thread shit that grinds my gears:

Try hard meme lords and wanna be trolls on SL...christ almighty we get it you've been to MAGE and know how to use a freely available viewer to voice lock. Colour me fucking impressed.

>>29564

Not everyone wants to be a stick anon

>>30119

>one of these body makers would have to provide a full copy of the body, exactly as it is in world, with rigging and uvmap included and intact. No edits or changes to gunk it up.

That's exactly what body makers should do. I don't give a fuck what other excuses they use to not give out the model, piracy or whatever, they are not acceptable.

Currently there are several body makers in the furry world that do it and to the best of my knowledge the markets around those bodies have flourished because of it. The kemono is the most obvious example.

>>30105

>uhhhhhhhh

>he doesn't know

ehehehe

>>30136

>hey bro just give me the stuff you made for free with everything included so I can do whatever the fuck I want with it

>>30141

>suggesting body makers are incapable of working out deals with people who want to mod their shit, or that a wide variety of mods on the marketplace aren't good for sales of the base body

>>30140

nottu dissu meme again

>>30136

>what other excuses they use to not give out the model, piracy or whatever

Why is that even an excuse, anyway? If you're the original maker of something and you see your model pop up in someone else's store, you send LL a report, it's one of few things they actually care enough to do something about.

>>30156

A lot of creators give out full, or nearly full models. You just have to apply for them, or ask nicely. But in most cases, you have to contact them in some way- you can't just download the model after buying the product.

People DO rip and reupload shit. Just because LL responds doesn't mean that they're going to police the MP and inworld stores for any further copyright infringement; people get on alts, or they straight up list the item again if you're unlucky. At that point, it's lost sales, time out of your day to continue to deal with that shit, and possible actual lawsuits. Nobody wants to do that. It is stupid to not put SOME barrier between customers and your full model.

Hentai boobs and hyper hips aren't worth it for some people, especially not those making LL-UV human bodies that rake in the cash.

Are you retarded?

It takes LL forever to remove something and they can just put it up again. Not to mention they can simply pass it around inworld or make it available to others via file sharing.

LL also does not protect your model from being used off the grid, for example some things were found to be sold on turbosquid and used in a russian game.

Pirates already steal content, but at least they gotta reverse engineer it and ripped rigged mesh content gets fucked up on import into blender/max/maya if you take some precautions during upload to SL. You don't need to make it any easier for them.

Seriously, fuck your commie shit. Make your own stuff and stop whining about getting others, just because the only thing you are capable of is to modify a body to have blow-up tits.

>>30181

Did you read your own argument? Pirates gonna pirate, killing the market around your body to vainly try and stop them is stupid.

>>30181

You're right, everyone should keep their models completely to themselves. In fact, why coddle those ungrateful shits who want to make clothes? They should have to reverse engineer the body shape themselves through trial and error. And those goddamn parasite skin makers who insist they get the UV for FREE? Disgusting.

>>30196

t. millennial

>>30195

>pirates gonna pirate

well pack it up boys might as well not make anything at all if pirates are always gonna steal shit and reupload it

>>30178

Of course people rip and reupload. It's just that the actual negative impact on your sales as a result is, I'm betting, much lower than the positive impact better third party support will provide.

I'm also betting dealing with the rips and reuploads takes less effort than dealing with applications and people asking for a rigging model/various rigging models. Especially since a loyal following will notify you of illegitimate copies of your model. People love ratting out others if they can.

Also, I mean, it would enable some pretty darn cool things to be made for your body, more easily, which beyond just driving up your sales also would improve the cool things available in SL. And everybody wants that.

>>30181

You sure do make a lot of assumptions about people that disagree with you, eh?

>>30092

The rigging dummies from all the popular human bodies are only barely useful for transferring weights to clothes let alone doing any kind of model alteration. The ones I've seen include: destroyed UVs, holes cut through the mesh, decimation, intentional distortion of the shape that forces even simple clothes makers to perform dozens of trial and error re-uploads because it can't be tested accurately in blender.

The pirated models are in my experience, very inaccurate, either having wrong topology (the copybotter ran it through some algorithm to turn tris into quads that fucked it up) or has scaling off enough to make seamless modifications impossible (yes I know you can cover up seams with various methods like including a "skirt" that hangs over the gap, but those are always flawed), incorrect weighting, etc etc.

The efforts to make usable dummies for maitreya and belleza by certain goon squad members are admirable, but have had unimpressive results thus far.

>>30244

Absolutely not. Applications and IMs are 100000x easier than sending in repeated DMCAs and scouring the MP while waiting for someone, anyone, to report shit to you when it happens. I give out dummy models for my shit and I literally just copy-paste everything.

Literally anyone can send an IM or an application in. The only thing stopping people is their own inability to click on a link, type in their username/email/check mark agreeing to some rules. Look at ONA. His full dummies aren't just out there willy-nilly, but he has plenty of third-party support. Uti gives out his full dummies to people who he can trust, but the ones he provides publicly are workable for the grand majority of creators. I'm not speaking for creators who intentionally fuck up dummies to the point where they're unusable; that's their own issue, and it has nothing to do with how the dummy is obtained.

The other thing that applications provide is the ability to get a list of people making shit for your body. If you make a human body, it means you can do things to support the creator community. You can hold events for your body, and invite creators who have applied. You can send out update notices for everyone so that they can keep their clothing working with every version of the body. You can have a group chat where people can help each other use the dummy file, if they have issues. You can provide free advertising, which benefits the creators, you (because you can show how much clothing your body has and that means more sales), and customers, who want to buy clothing that fits their body.

Meanwhile, rips can run the risk of not just siphoning off money and time, but actual legal issues. Most creators don't have a lawyer on hand just because they make some shit in SL. DMCA works fine, but it can't be emailed - it has to be faxed or mailed, and if you need to include digital proof, you have to coordinate with LL. Imagine doing that again, and again, and again. And then suppose someone files a counterclaim- is it worth your time to sue? The rip may not affect you that greatly, but it is your property and it has been stolen. The cut from random ass third party creators who are too shy to apply/IM you, and/or want to make titty tops that conform exactly to the titties, is a drop in the fucking bucket. Who GIVES a shit. Why should you risk your business because some people on the internet are too autistic to read a notecard/profile and subsequently send you an IM/application?

There is a balance you have to reach. Not every body will get pirated, and there's some markets where rips get noticed more easily. When you have a low risk - aka, you're gordon and literally anyone would recognize a kobold reupload - you can afford to provide full dummies to anyone who asks. If you're maitreya? Your product is worth a lot more, your body is harder to recognize with clothes on, and your customers don't exactly tend to be great with SL. While you're swamped with customer questions every day, some guy is going to be reuploading your model and making cash on a shitty, uncoded copy. Or worse- you'll have a repeat of the mesh body/booty debacle that plagued wowmeh and other creators a few years ago.

>>30292

are u Gordon lmao

a

>>30300

what did he mean by this?

>>30292

oh my GOD imagine being so butthurt about magic internet money go out and get a reliable job or a college degree you stupid fuck.

>>30292

You don't need to scour the MP. If anything starts gaining traction you'll be made aware of it.

ONA has crap support. I have the Nauha, virtually nothing gets made for it. Uti's publicly available dummies are awful. People make them work as best they can because it's all they have, but if you want to make anything skintight you're boned.

A list of people making things for your body is cool and useful to have. There are better ways to get that though. Optional creator subscription lists or a group covers that all well enough.

You seem to be basing a lot of this rant on the idea that a simple IM or Application is all that's required and you'll get it. For most, if not all, of these bodies it's not. When you IM or apply they will turn you down if you're not already an established store. And if they do accept you, the body model they give you has been hacked up in some way to make it nearly unusable for many purposes anyway.

There is a balance to be reached, but people aren't reaching it. Various human bodies aren't that hard to recognize, I can spot a Maitreya nearly instantly, and if a guy reuploads the model having made it different enough, then it won't fit the Maitreya made clothes anymore. And Maitreya is big enough that they have hired Customer Service Representatives. The creator of the model isn't swamped by any customer questions. If a dude makes a few bucks off a crappy uncoded copy of your body before people realize how bad and useless it is and/or he gets shut down, so what? It's really no loss for you.

>>30299

Or Bob.

>>30290

There have been rip posted on this board that have 1:1 skinning.

Also you do not need an uv unwrapped dummy to rig things. If someone asks me for a uv unwrapped dummy I know they just wanna steal shit.

>>30307

Creator here, you aren't entitled to shit.

People who are actually capable get the dummies easily.

Got denied on your application? Well tough luck, it means you're trash and I don't want to bother with your useless ass.

>>30303

Are you unaware that some people actually make a living selling virtual merchandise, and that even those who don't make that much are at least aware of the possibility that someday, if their shit gets popular and they don't sabotage themselves by giving it away, they could make a living at it too?

Not everyone does this for pure passion or a handful of magic internet bucks to spend on a new virtual dong every now and then.

>>30313

Of course I'm not entitled to it, just like you're not entitled to my money. It's just a crap practice that you're perpetuating. And I will continue to not give you money until you come around. Which is admittedly probably never.

I know it doesn't mean much, since other people do give you money. But you're still losing out on my, and others', cash. And you're making Second Life a less creatively enabled place than you could.

>>30316

Maybe if they did something to set themselves apart they may actually have a chance of getting popular.

>>30313

"""creator"""

If you make less than 1k USD lifetime sales on 90% of your products please go back to amateur hour.

>>30313

okay, ripping your models now ty.

>>30312

Haven't been reading the thread, have you?

Seeing an ad with a great looking hair, and having it be for makeup or some shit instead. Also how every bodysuit for the body I use is just latex fetish shit. I just wanna build a look inspired based on the Motorball arc of Battle Angel Alita. Is that too much to ask for?

>>30377

>Battle Angel Alita

If you're asking for something that no one has ever heard of, then yes

>>30378

>Battle Angel Alita

>no one has ever heard of

Only if you're that much of a fucking pleb I guess

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0437086/

>>30380

>A movie that no one knows is being made

Thank you for proving my point

>right click belleza body

>SL crashes from loading trillions of polys

>>30378

hahaha fucking kill yourself. How does it feel to be a ignorant?

>>30378

Man I wish I could say you sound really underage right now, but I forgot kids from '99 are turning 18 now.

>>30377

>>30380

?????

literally who???

>>30378

>>30383

>>30390

>I was born post year 2000

And it's especially funny because millennials were born into an age with google and yet they have this need to be ignorant all over the place.

>>30391

no one cares about your dumb anime shit.

>>30394

shit wow you really showed me with that stick man comic

at least ill never be weeaboo garbo

>>30383

>A movie that no one knows is being made

>I have never heard of it, therefore no one has heard of it

>>30481

truth bombs hitting hard

for reference the avatar 2.0 is 20k tris iirc. that basically is like wearing 80 avatar 2.0s

>>30481

1) that's not the lite version

2) hidden layers aren't rendered, the same way alpha blending based graphics crashers aren't rendered if you aren't looking at them, no perfromance loss.

3) Your mileage for a good polygon count is stuck in 2008, get with the times grandpa

4) The number of polygons has far less of an impact on performance than you think it has

5) SL is not an action game that needs to run on consoles. Looking good is more important than being able to render 100 moving chatacters at 60 fps

6) The body itself without the additional layers enabled is 57k tris

>>30490

Oh and if you don't believe me, just go into wireframe mode while only having one layer active. Not all of the polygons are rendered, else you'd see the different hand/breast states.

If all layers of al beast and hand states were turned visible, then yes it'd be horribly laggy. As it is, with only 1-3 layers being active at most it has hardly a worse impact on performance than maitreya / hourglass.

>>30492

i like u

>>30497

but im your only grandson

>>30502

>>30502

1) Matters.

2) It does.

3) FFXV is your choice here? FFXV? Really? The game with over the top retarded looking characters that have so much detail you can hardly tell what's going on? Yeah, I'm sure they fucked up just as much as you did when you made this body.

4)You missed 4

5) See above

6) See above x2

Pic related: I lowered the polycount in my maya studio because some grandpa was dominating my ass

>>30504

I did not miss 4, you did.

If you don't like FFXV numbers look up horizon zero dawn or uncharted 4.

rest of your post is just "blabla I can't deal with facts"

SL mostly isn't laggy because of the polygon count of certain meshes, but the shit use of textures.

I'm sorry that you work for a videogame where you still have to be neurotic about polygon counts. Maybe you'll get to work on something fancier in the future.

>>30505

SHIT

>>30505

>I'm sorry that you work for a videogame where you still have to be neurotic about polygon counts. Maybe you'll get to work on something fancier in the future.

Like make bodies for SL.

>>30512

>anime retards

oh boy is your justification for nomod bodies literally just "fuck anime"?

Animu avs are fine but whenever I see

>base kemono av

>hair that comes with kemono

>clothes only from krankhaus

I want to kick their fucking anime face.

>>30516

ya agreed

if you wanna look like garbage but be able to brag about your low render cost wear kemono

if you wanna look good and wear any sort of interesting clothes but crash 40-something single mothers' laptops when you enter a sim get a mesh body from maitreya, slink, belleza, etc.

>>30518

Maitreya isn't great, but it's not that bad.

>>30518

a-are you telling us to use LL

>>30516

I just assume they're new to SL and haven't bought anything else yet.

imagine being cucked by ur own body lmao

jesus

>>30524

exactly. variety is cool

>>30529

trogd0r literally got banned on 3 accounts for ageplaying with kemonos

>>30530

Wasn't anyone important imho

>>30530

Well hes an idiot who literally went out and said his avatars were children.

all you have to do is put on your profile your characters are 18+ and you're all good

>>30534

>inb4 generic femboy generic thicc generic furry generic anything because the only good avatar creators stick to flickr and tumblr and don't deal with these boards

>no one in SL makes "good avatars" but a select few. You're not one of those people~

>>30537

>By all my close friends

can someone say E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-EECCCCCHOOOOO CHAMBBBEEEERRRR

I suggest you look at the top three winners of Utilizators Rikugou contest. You're nothing.

>>30504

>The game with over the top retarded looking characters that have so much detail you can hardly tell what's going on?

I think "the game that is 30fps locked on consoles with way better graphics processing power than nearly all SL users' PCs" would be the better way to take that comparison. If a body's creator and the guy sitting at NASA's mainframe can run at 60fps with the body around, and nobody else can, well, good for them I suppose.

>>30538

>he actually took the bait

Come on now, you lot are smarter than this. It's not even the same poster.

>>30539

f-fuck

>>30532

>Kemono and 2.0 got bento before Belleza.

That's false though. Slink/Maitreya/belleza all had bento hands on day 1 of bento release with the vista animations hands.

>>30537

I've never encountered a person as delusional as you, Asami. Your avatar doesn't even look like a boy, but like a lifeless doll. It's an ok avatar, but the best femboy ever? Bitch please, I see better and more interesting ones daily at places like Heffa.

>>30539

lol what toaster are you playing SL on

>>30541

>They all had bento support through a third party hand

lol ok. Not hard for CCers to update their fucking rigs

>>30541

>s t i l l f a l l i n g f o r i t

>>30544

HEY ITS NOT ME THIS TIME

>>30542

Please, tell us more about your Quad SLI Titan X you bought premade with mommy's credit card.

I play with a 660 gtx, your pc must be a real piece of trash if it cant keep up with 4 year old hardware

>>30550

Snaggletooth is so furry I forgot it existed

>>30552

>pic

I know it's supposed to be a pizzagate thing and all, but I'm pretty sure that's literally just an order for a hot dog without a bun.

>>30555

>an email from hillary

pretty sure it's just her email leaks, who the fuck eats just a hotdog with no bun for lunch anyway?

>>30558

Some people are weird like that, and just don't like buns. I mean, my dad eats hamburgers without the bun sometimes, with a fork and knife.

We're kinda getting off-topic, though.

>>30558

>>30561

Dude that is like, Middle-Aged Mom 101. Thinking you have gluten intolerance because you read some moonbat propaganda piece about the evils of real food (or you have an overpaid hippie doctor telling you the same things you could read on a vegan conspiracy blog for free) has been the "in" thing with that crowd for at least 5+ years.

>>30534

shut the fuck up cake boy

>>30537

You look like a flat chested girl. You forgot about the BOY part. Swear to god so many fucking "femboys" out there are just teen girl avatars with their tits cut off.

>>30579

>"You"

>still thinking that's actually the poster

>with an Imgur filename

>>30537

i know its not asami but honestly? dead-on impression

>>30591

I'm pretty sure that is Asami, which someone saved and reposted from an ancient post on /slg/ or something.

>>30579

That's all I want tbh.

>>30617

>tfw that's literally my latest avatar but LL hates ageplay

Avastar's retarded pay for updates policy.

Anyone got the latest they are willing to share?

>>30789

Hate to play apologist but avastar is charging for updates because the guy who originally wrote it fell off the face of the earth and presumably took the proceeds. His assistant, gaia is running the show now, and she had to completely fucking rewrite the whole addon from scratch because she was left with an awful clusterfuck of code.

That said, the way it's being managed is fucking stupid. Leaving the utterly broken 2.0-23 as the latest build for the last six months has been retarded as shit and plenty of people have let her know it. You can get the new coded from scratch version by taking 30 seconds to submit a trouble ticket basically saying "I'm not a complete idiot, let me test it".

Unless you're doing bento related stuff, just keep using 1.7-1 or whatever you have currently, the versions after that don't have anything really worth updating for.

>>30814

Sounds like even more reason for piracy.

Okay so if Kemoner and Avatar 2.0 are both the devil, what would be a good mesh body for a femboy-ish (or at least, is male but wears dresses) avatar?

>>30863

Don't fall for the "Kemono and 2.0 are shit" meme, especially not if you're making a femboy. The alternatives people suggest to kemono and 2.0 users are all obviously female and not even a little bit androgynous, and the popular male avs will just have you looking like a drag queen even if you do manage to find a dress that fits. Flat-chested anime is probably your only shot at having a decent selection of female clothing without breasts to choose from.

>>30866

Hm, alrighty. I probably would have already jumped on Kemono, but I'm not super crazy about the whole, massive hips/thighs with tiny waist look. Is that something that I can fix with playing with sliders? Or would there be more that'd need to be done to have more natural proportions?

>>30869

The giant hips and and thighs are mods. The stock Kemono body is really thin.

>>30869

Try the Maitreya, it's able to handle going to pretty damn flat without breaking, which means you are going to have access to a metric fuckton of feminine clothing, and the ease of access to the dev kit means you can make yourself skins/whatever you want without too much hassle if that's your plan.

Disclaimer: I am not someone who is an autist about bodies, but I can wear mine with a mesh head and outfit and still be comfortably under 50k complexity.

>>30871

Huh, I see. So the exaggerated hourglass shape I always see on them isn't how it is stock, then?

>>30872

Well, the thing is, is I'd wanna go flat as a board. It doesn't do that weird caving in thing when you try to go completely flat, does it? I'm not sure I'd wanna drop that much on a body plus a different chest, on top of what I'd already be spending on other parts that need replacing, at least at this time.

Also, how expensive are clothes typically for Maitreya? And is there somewhere I can just grab the UVs for it, to see how tough it would be to throw a skin together for it?

>>30863

Maitreya / Isis + femboy chest mod

>>30866

>kemono doesn't look female

idiot.

Kemono is only good for anime and restricts you to wearing hoodies all day every day.

>>30875

post your name, receive gift

>>30872

>ease of access to the dev kit

What you on about mate? The full accurate rigging model is actually somewhat hard to come by. Unless you just mean textures.

>>30303

This is exactly what I tell Bitcoin users

>>31263

I agree with every single one of these except for the rigged hair. It's really the only way to do long mesh hair and have it have some movement and not clip all the time, sadly.

>>31265

this, also does anyone know if 'little bones' hair is mod perm?

>>30518

Maitreya is nice but the lack of flat chested tops for it irritates me.

>>31265

fair point I suppose, its just another form of me bitching about something being No Mod.

Rigged mesh with no prims linked to it, sometimes making it impossible to select. (see: most rigged mesh heads)

>>31277

> Same high poly mesh copied ~3 times over itself

> Temporarily freezes viewer on selection in most cases

>>31282

>> Same high poly mesh copied ~3 times over itself

>

>> Temporarily freezes viewer on selection in most cases

>

Show me a fitmesh body that isn't the Nauha then. And don't tell me the kemono fitmesh mod because I don't want that kind of avatar.

My reasoning for disliking the nauha is the shoulders and hands.

>>31283

Nauha hands are absolute shit and I'm slightly angry that anyone thought they were acceptable things to include in an avatar that they expect people to pay money for, but you actually have Linden Labs to blame for the shoulders. Most of these bodies are trying to mimic the shape of the LL avatar closely enough that you can still use normal mesh clothes (as opposed to 2.0/Kemono with their own special wardrobes), and the shoulders are simply the most egregious offense that carried over as a result of this.

Sansar can't possibly come soon enough. I don't have a great deal of faith in LL's modeling direction, but from what we've been shown, the base skeleton is at least somewhat more human-looking, without the trademark boxy shoulders.

>>31292

imo the Maitreya shoulders look fine.

>>31281

Yeah. Rigged shouldn't equal no mod. I abhor no mod, but that whole mentality of "if it's rigged that means I should make it no mod" is why we have the stupid clothing market we have now where nigh everything is no mod.

If you're going to complain about no mod, complain about no mod. Don't speak about one as if it equals the other or that just exacerbates the problem.

>>29681

How about a script that sets your specularity? A.k.a. the wet/not wet script a friend of mine made for kemono. You type /44 wet, and it sets you to alow specularity that makes skin look wet. WITHOUT USING A HUD.

Also, there are latex suits for kemono.

>>29691

>people who make cool things with their avatars don't wear kemono

You should actually go to utilizator's mall, like ,every day, for a week. You'll see a fuckton of cool mods. Kemono, rikugou, av 2.0. Or even go to hentai high, where the kemono is very popular.

>>31349

The people who go to those places are the absolute worst

>>31352

The mall? no doubt. they just stand about and meme all day. there's some cool mods that come through, though.

>>31353

>they just stand about and meme all day

Huh, sounds somehow familiar...

>>31358

yes, i think it's called "the entirety of second life"

>>30481

Well what body do I use, the lara?, Slink physique?

I use the ultrazillor anime head and the Lara body.

>>31380

why that nigga got a thumb where he penis be

>>31380

Fuck micro cocks.

>>31446

They're too small for that.

>>30878

How do I know this isn't some kind of ruse?

>>31282

Heh, I only recently tried inspecting a Maitreya body, and my viewer became a slideshow for as long as I had it selected. That seems kinda ludicrous to me for that to happen.

Why is there so many objects to it? As a workaround for limitations in texture resolution?

>>31263

>Kani scourge

When I see folks refer to Kani, are they talking about the rabbit or the dog?

>>31481

As a workaround for not being able to bake textures inside SL so you need to have multiple layers of mesh if you want to mimic clothing/tatoo layers of the original SL avatars.

As for this not being a ruse: I guess you just have to to not be a scaredy cat

>>31486

But but what if people are mean to me on the internet but mainly I'm still not really super sold on Maitreya

>>31450

thisdoesnotgivemeahardonbutholyfuckilikeit.gif

Wandering around popular furry locations, kemono looks better than 90% of the avatars you see even without modding.

It's less about the model and more the textures, really. A good texture can save an average model, but a bad texture will ruin anything. Most people don't get decent textures for their avatars and they look like shit. Kemono's default texture is pretty nice, and even a lot of the mods for it don't have the same quality textures

>>31481

>>31486

>As a workaround for not being able to bake textures inside SL so you need to have multiple layers of mesh if you want to mimic clothing/tatoo layers of the original SL avatars.

If you can get a modifiable mesh body and don't intend to use all of the layers, a great way to reduce draw weight is to simply unlink and delete the clothing/tattoo layers, reducing the body down to just the basic body model.

You can keep an intact copy of the model as a backup (which you should always do anyway when modding) and to apply clothing textures to layers that you can then unlink and wear as separate clothing items.

>>31966

>If you can get a modifiable mesh body

I only know of Utilizator ones.

Are there others?

>>32099

Plenty.

ONA nauha/furry avatars, Rin's avatar, Anthroanim bodies, DSD/Raawr bodies, Philo Sophia, Zero style body.

>>31964

This. As tired as I am of the kemono, it looks significantly better than your average LL furry.

>>32099

In addition to >>32119

There's also the Lena Lush and Lena Perky bodies from Kitties Lair.

The Wowmeh body was modifiable.

Some content creators sell their bodies no-mod but might be willing to sell a modifiable copy. I asked the creator of the ::dev:: Nana body to sell me a modifiable version and she agreed.

>>32119

>>32120

any with good third party support?

>>32202

No.

Come now, you didn't think this would be easy, would you?

Fags like OP is why SL is a dead game basically.

>>32241

If anything fags like op are the reason most Sims are parking lots. Also,

>Implying there's been half a lick of creativity on sl since mesh hit the market.

>>31233

This is an underrated post and people don't realize just how well sl handles this bullshit.

No mod.

>They sell colors separately.

>They are obviously just tints not even alternate textures.

>Also it's no copy because its a gacha.

Speaking of Gacha

>Content creators refuse to sell any of their fucking products anymore

>Everything has to be a fucking Gacha

>Prizelist: Mesh rubberband, Mesh paper clip, Mesh pile of poop, RARE FULLY MESH CITY WITH 500 POSES AND FULLY FURNISHED

Two types of avatars exist

>Amazon max thick max love handle max ass max muscle mass + 20foot cock

>Kemono twink + little itty baby cock

Everyone wearing the same garbage

>Flavor of the month impulse gacha/events that are the last remaining thing to do in SL

>EVERYONE wearing whatever the new outfit of the latest event is

>Even the pubs look more diverse then /d/

People in 4chan groups cling like holy shit

>Poseball with someone once

>They stand next to you whenever you're in sim together and message you hourly w/ pls tp.

>Actual love confessions

And the SHAME on these people

>Literally having to make an alt because you are so afraid of your gay ass fetish bullshit that you think makes you a special snowflake weirdo

>Its always like fucking footfetish or some completely vanilla bs that nobody in their right mind would care about.

>People with MULTIPLE fully stocked accounts made specifically to fuck different people and because youre too ashamed to even be judged on your alts.

Day 1 account

>Full kemono + mods + fully set up lewd bullshit project arousal

>Full custom AO

>God damn skin specc maps on the kemono

>Complete outfit

>"Hi im new to SL :3c"

>>32662

I thought the last one was about me for a second, but I don't use project arousal or :3 emoticons.

>>30534

above my waist, doesnt count

>>32662

I for one go do whatever fetishy stuff I want and no one has called me out for it. But I think also no one has really noticed me so w/e.

>>32662

>4chan groups

I think I found your problem famalamadingdong. Shit's gone downhill.

>>32670

>Second Life

I think I found your problem famalamadingdong. Shit's gone downhill.

>>32671

>Life

I think I found your problem famalamadingdong. Shit's gone downhill.

>>32662

>>People with MULTIPLE fully stocked accounts made specifically to fuck different people

I just like seeing how different some people act depending on which account I approach them with

>>32662

I have no fucking shame and was kicked from the 4chan groups

But I also don't really care since I'm having fun elsewhere now

I just have a really hard time with feeling ignored by people who i want to interact with, whom seemingly, dont want to interact with me, for a whole yard of reasons.

>they are too busy

>they are pre-occupied

>they cant leave the person they are with

>it would be rude to leave or drop what they are doing

>they are roleplaying and dont want to drop that to join you because roleplaying is a better use of time than the following: standing around; talking; modding; poseballing; building; exploring.

>they are "afk"

>they are afk

>they just dont care

What makes it worse is that i have to wait anywhere from 12-24+ hours until i can see them online again and say hi, ask to meet up and hopefully they agree (which they rarely do, if they even dignify me with a reply). It's the same every time.

>>32662

>tfw too scared to bug people for teleports because I don't want to come off like a creeper

>Just end up idling in my home while I browse 4chan

>>32733

I just got started and I already kinda know how this feels.

>>32733

same fam, TP me

>>32733

Share your map rights with people, maybie some return the favor.

>>32739

I don't want people TPing on me when I'm boning.

>>32740

I would assume they see it, teleport out and make a remark that will lead to you boning them next. Whats the downside really.

>>32732

who are you?

>Bored, wandering around

>Half of the Surls in the 'cool places' thread are gone

>can't teleport to other places i've heard of

>too nervous of bothering people to ask people on my friends list if I can hang out with them

>>32765

Same. If people aren't hanging around in the usual spots I know(which they aren't any more), then I don't know where to find anyone and don't really want to constantly bother people with TPs. So I just end up idling in my house.

>>32732

>>they are roleplaying and dont want to drop that to join you because roleplaying is a better use of time than the following: standing around; talking; modding; poseballing; building; exploring.

Well I mean that part's true at least. It's hard enough to pin people down long enough to actually get something going (see: your complaint too), I'd have to have a very good reason to let someone go once I got my claws into them.

>>32732

It's a numbers thing. You are free when you get on, but the majority of people that are on already will have already occupied themselves with something. It's the same for everyone. When/if you occupy yourself with something, you'll be contributing to the "problem". It's just how it goes, and it's absolutely nothing personal.

>>30872

Yeah, you also support a company that engaged in copyright trolling, slander and anti-consumer practices. You want to run that by me again, that I should use Maitreya like every dumb nigger and their mom on SL?

>>32743

Finland go away noone loves you

>>43788

People are idiots and its killing SL. Unless you go anime or furry, where creativity and personalization is still allowed. Often used for unfortunate designs, but still worth it for having that freedom.

But I do not want to go anime or furry.

>>43789

Being a furfag, I'm not really used to having stuff that's no-mod. When I see something I want on the market and find that it's no-mod, I get asshurt.

>>43792

Must be nice. Everything, almost, in the human realm has become no mod. Because they think it stops copybotting, because they think there's on reason for it if it's rigged and thus cannot be scaled/moved, because they don't want people to change an item they have made, and because in some cases they think appliers do whatever mod would have done anyway.

Or because they're greedy and are selling tinted recolours.

SLMC

Bronies

Gor

Kemono

>>43793

Not everything is dandy tho. For some reason most avatar bodies are turning into gachas. Sure they are mod but lord that's an aids thing to do.

>>43795

Oh man, that's an entirely different kind of dumb, for sure.

No mod (except scripts and notecards) and gachas should both be removed and banned from SL.

>>43788

>look up clothing for mesh body

>100k+

>set it to show mod only

>4k+

fucks sake

>>29517

Heres some real BS.

>Almost 2018

>Still no option to use a private server to run a Sim

>Forced to either purchase a shit-tier server from LL or rent land from Chinese gold farmers

>>29521

>>29525

>>29641

>>29680

>>29682

>>29686

>>29690

>>29708

>>29719

>>29723

>>29726

>>29737

>>29753

>>29765

>>30075

>>30083

>>30132

>>30515

>>31316

>>31966

>>43788

>>43789

>>43793

>>43800

>Fuck no-mod.

>Fuck the people who sell things no-mod.

>Fuck the morons who try to defend this shitty practice

This. Just all of this. It's sucked so much of the fun out of SL and made so many avatars look samey these days.

>>43822

Certain people are trying to set up Sansar to have the same problem: https://help.sansar.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/115011817766

Every strong manly looking fur avi that I hit on is usally gay or has "Im taken by Wife/GF so no sex" in their bio.

>>45698

then change it, retard

>>29551

>my collar makes it shoot up to 125,000 complexity which is terrible

OpenCollar was a mistake. It depends on a huge number of scripts, with functions that nobody ever uses. Most of them just exist to make it noob friendly. It would be best if they would sell Collars just modifiable and rely on the users to chose their own collar script and put them inside. Like the QuickCollar script has all the functionality that 90% of collar users need, but is just one script instead of 15.

And most jewelry creators don't give a fuck about prims, so collars don't just have a huge script usage, but also a high complexity.

>>45707

Is there any market that is more of a cancer than jewelry?

>no demos

>literally hundreds of prims, textures and scripts

>bling in the year of our lord 2018

>highly priced no mod no copy trans

>>45728

jewelry is just dominated by gachas

>>45869

neat thank

>>45871

Legit I have heard people dress as slutty and as open as possible in public settings, doing so but to be a bitch to tease people

>>45871

Have you ever heard the tale of Narcissus?

>>45872

I do this exact thing. I've made a slutty femboy avatar and hang out in sex spots just to fuck with people. I have zero intention of engaging in "sex" with these people and messing with them entertains me.

>>45874

imagine having an ego this big

>>45871

To be fair, some people like just bondage instead of sex.

>>45874

i bet you hang out at /d/ too lmfao

>>45874

if this is really what entertains someone, then i thank the lort that i didn't end up being this egotistical lmfao

>>45881

what the fuck are you talking about

>>45875

I do the same thing. It's not just an ego thing, even though I'd be the first to admit I do have an ego. It's like if you put a lot of effort into your avatar to the point you're sure you look better than 99% of all SL avatars out there and then someone comes up to your in a default kemono, it kinda feels almost insulting that they would think you would waste your time on them. Fuck, I know everyone here does the exact same shit. If you hang out at a popular sex sim and some random pubbie with a ragedy ass avatar comes up to you and says "hi", literally just a one word conversation starter, are you really going to tell me that you would bother even entertaining the idea of engaging in a conversation with them? If you've been in SL long enough, you'll know these conversations never end up anywhere good.

>>45887

It isn't just that. It's the implication that one would do literally nothing but this, even to people that don't really fit this criteria, which happens way more often than you'd think.