No.888 [Last50 Posts]
A thread dedicated to everything Hammer related – the films, the actors, directors, Hammer Glamour Girls, &c., &c.
YT videos:
Hammer Films Radio Documentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDkS9Sj3Aho
Legend of Hammer (Part 1): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abGGibw4l6g
Legend of Hammer (Part 2): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOgujkRFHhA
Legend of Hammer (Part 3): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bICC1qfaslU
Frankenstein – The Curse of Frankenstein (1957), The Revenge of Frankenstein (1958), The Evil of Frankenstein (1964), Frankenstein Created Woman (1967), Frankenstein Must Be Destroyed (1969), The Horror of Frankenstein (1970) & Frankenstein and the Monster From Hell (1974). IMHO the only weak links in the series are The Evil of Frankenstein & Frankenstein Created Woman. While The Horror of Frankenstein is often considered a letdown, due to the lack of Cushing as the baron, and the very dark comedic tone, it is a really enjoyable film, and one of the underappreciated Hammer films.
Dracula – Dracula aka Horror of Dracula (1958), The Brides of Dracula (1960), Dracula: Prince of Darkness (1966), Dracula Has Risen from the Grave (1968), Taste the Blood of Dracula (1970), Scars of Dracula (1970), Dracula A.D. 1972 (1972), The Satanic Rites of Dracula (1973) & The Legend of the 7 Golden Vampires (1974). The two first films are fantastic, and Brides is perhaps more enjoyable than the original despite Lee not returning as count Dracula. The following films does not feature Cushing as Van Helsing till Dracula A.D. 1972, and Lee’s mostly, if not completely, silent Dracula does not manage to make up for the lack of Van Helsing. Taste the Blood of Dracula is a decent entry into the series, though I would have liked to see them go with the original idea of having Ralph Bates character become possessed by count Dracula, instead of Lee being blackmailed to returning to a role he did not enjoy and give a forgettable performance.
The Karnstein Trilogy – The Vampire Lovers (1970), Lust For a Vampire (1971) & Twins of Evil (1971). The Vampire Lovers is arguably Hammer’s finest film, and is a must watch for connoisseurs of sapphic kino and Gothic horror films. Lust For a Vampire is a good follow-up, and Yutte Stensgaard does a good job in the role of Carmilla. The third and final entry in the trilogy might as well be a stand-alone film, and is far from Hammer’s best.
The Hound of the Baskervilles (1959) – while it takes considerable liberties with the original story, it is a very good atmospheric film with a lot of charm. Stars Peter Cushing as Sherlock Holmes, Christopher Lee as Sir Henry Baskerville, and Hammer regulars Miles Malleson and Ewen Solon.
The Two Faces of Dr. Jekyll (1960)
The Curse of the Werewolf (1961) – despite a lengthy opening it is really good, and equally as tragic and ebautiful as ‘The Wolf Man’ by Universal.
The Phantom of the Opera (1962)
The Kiss of the Vampire (1963)
The Gorgon (1964)
The Reptile (1966)
The Witches (1966)
The Plague of the Zombies (1966)
Dr. Jekyll and Sister Hyde (1971)
Countess Dracula (1971) – Loosely based on the murder claims surrounding Elizabeth Báthory. The story is similar to Hammer’s Dr. Jekyll and Sister Hyde. For some reason Ingrid Pitt’s voice was dubbed over by an uncredited actress (Olive Gregg), something she never forgave the filmmakers for.
Blood of the Vampire (1958) is not made by Hammer, but is very similar when it comes to visuals, and was written by Hammer regular Jimmy Sangster. Interestingly it features a character named professor Meinster, which is the surname of the baroness and her son in Hammer’s The Brides of Dracula from 1960, co-written by Sangster.
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No.891
>>888 (CHECKED)
>Interestingly it features a character named professor Meinster, which is the surname of the baroness and her son in Hammer’s The Brides of Dracula from 1960, co-written by Sangster.
Same universe perhaps?
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No.893
>>891
That could be it – an ‘Easter-egg’ perhaps? Or maybe Sangster just got lazy and didn’t bother to come up with another German-sounding surname? Professor Meinster is said to live in Geneva, so it could be he belongs to the baronial Meinster family? Also, despite having ‘vampire’ in the title, there is no real vampire in the film, at least not what most would call a vampire. It is similar to Hammer’s 1958 film Dracula, also written by Sangster, that there is less of a focus on the supernatural aspects, and more of a scientific and biological way of treating vampirism.
The basic plot of the film is very similar to the 1974 Hammer film Frankenstein and the Monster From Hell; a man is convicted and sent to a mental asylum after being deemed insane, there he begins to assist a doctor with his gruesome experiments on the inmates. There is even a beautiful young woman assistant working at the asylum, and the fate of the doctor in Blood of the Vampire is the same as the monster in Frankenstein and the Monster From Hell.
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No.923
Watched The Gorgon from 1964 last night, starring Peter Cushing, Christopher Lee & Barbara Shelley.
It was nice to see Hammer move away from vampires and Dr. Frankenstein for once, and Greek Mythology has a lot of untapped potential when it comes to horror films IMHO.
I recognised quite a few bits of set and matte paintings from previous films, which was funny.
There is one bit of stone steps with a metal hand-rail keeps showing up in all these films! I saw it first in Dracula’s crypt (Dracula, 1958) and just about every film after that; maybe it was in the earlier The Curse of Frankenstein (1957) too? In The Reptile (1966) it led down to the town graveyard.
The sets were really stunning, and the back garden with the pond was really beauitful, same with the abandoned castle. The snake-haired titular Gorgon looked suitably campy and nice too. The film was surprisingly bleak and dark in tone, more so than most Hammer films, which at least have a semi-happy ending.
Lee plays a character named Professor Meister, so at least they changed the names up a little this time around. There is however, a character named Paul, one of the most common names in all the Hammer films.
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No.925
>>893
I don't know why but every time I look at this picture I can't get webm related out of my mind.
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No.958
>>925
Can’t unsee.
The Baroness reminded me a little of actress Elsa Lystad, though your example is a lot closer – almost eerily so.
Just finished another film too! The Phantom of the Opera from 1962, directed by Terence Fisher. Absolutely stunning visually! I would argue it is Hammer’s most lavish and most visually striking film; such a wide variety of sets – from the opera to the back streets, river front, restaurant, the Phantom’s underground lair and the sewers, &c.
I have only seen the 1943 Universal film before this, which I liked quite a lot, but this is something else. The changes to the story and the characters were all for the better IMHO. You’ve got Hammer regulars Michael Gough, Michael Ripper & Miles Malleson, and the women are absolutely lovely – Christine (Heather Sears) & Yvonne (Sonya Cordeau) are truly beautiful and fit right in with the rest of the Hammer Glamour Girls.
Also, the aforementioned stairs make an appearance again – pretty sure I saw them twice, in different sets.
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No.961
Found these titillating articles just now, and thought it would be a crime not to share it, or post pictures of some of the buxom Hammer Glamour Girls.
<A warning: Cleavage saturation levels will be reached. Proceed with caution.
https://flashbak.com/a-field-guide-to-the-hammer-house-of-horror-babes-34707/
https://flashbak.com/hammer-house-of-horror-it-was-all-about-these-buxom-babes-in-peril-3258/
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No.970
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play. >>958
>Elsa Lystad
Looking her up I can see that.
>The Phantom of the Opera from 1962
Ooh adding this to the list. The ALW version is a guilty indulgence of mine (stage, not movie). I have a version from 1982 that I haven't watched yet. Read the novella some years ago and remember enjoying it. Need to give it another read. Does this version have the various traps of the ghost?
>Also, the aforementioned stairs make an appearance again
Kek, I'm going to keep my eyes peeled now in any Hammer I watch.
>>961
wew lad
>that Yutte Stensgaard pic
Thanks for sharing the links. Will be a nice read.
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No.972
>>970
>The ALW version is a guilty indulgence of mine (stage, not movie).
I haven’t seen either, but if the embed is anything to go by, it doesn’t seem like something one should be guilty about enjoying.
I have been thinking about checking out Brian De Palma’s Phantom of the Paradise from 1974 – looks like a real hoot, if you are into 1970s disco that is.
Have you seen Repo! The Genetic Opera? I thought that was a lot of fun myself.
>Does this version have the various traps of the ghost?
If you have seen the Universal 1943 film with Claude Rains as the Phantom, it is quite close to that, which I believe differs a lot from the original story. The personality of the Phantom is quite different from the 1943 film and the story, however. There is also a mystery element regarding the identity of the Phantom.
The Phantom scares the workers at the opera by night, and there is talk of a ghost haunting the place, and you’ve got the chandelier scene, but it doesn’t play out like you’d expect.
According to Wikipedia this if the film that introduced the trope of associating Toccata and Fugue in D Minor by Johann Sebastian Bach with the Phantom, or being used as a sinister musical piece in horror.
>Kek, I'm going to keep my eyes peeled now in any Hammer I watch.
We should make a complication of screenshots from every film it appears in!
>Will be a nice read.
Well, it is mostly just pictures, but still!
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No.973
You will not believe this. The 1982 version I had on my comp must have been mislabled. I put it on to play only to find it's the Hammer version. Not only that but it took me until about 40 mins in (where Harry sees the music in the apartment) when I realised I saw this as a kid! I asked so many people if they'd seen the Phantom of the Opera where he gets acid to the face and NOONE knew what I was talking about. I wondered for years what Phantom I had watched and then forgot about it until seeing it again now! You have no idea how happy I am to see this again. Did not remember the chandelier scene at all. Really appreciated the opera scene at the end. The phantom is the most sympathetic in this telling (compared to the ALW musical and the novella). I'm not sure if I've seen the 1943 version.
>>972
>Have you seen Repo! The Genetic Opera?
It's ringing a bell. I'm sure I've seen it but it's very hazy in my memory.
>Phantom of the Paradise
This looks awesome!
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No.976
>>961
>https://flashbak.com/a-field-guide-to-the-hammer-house-of-horror-babes-34707/
I feel like such an idiot. I didn't even recognise Pippa Steel (Laura in The Vampire Lovers) in Lust for a Vampire!
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No.977
>>961
Yutte Stensgaard became a born again Christian. I wonder what she thinks of her previous life.
Some nice pics in this article as well. https://flashbak.com/ephemera-from-the-hammer-films-lesbian-vampire-karnstein-trilogy-23031/
And a link to The Vampire Lovers on yt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsrLr3-aTXE
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No.979
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play. >>973
How wonderful! While I like the Universal horror films a lot, I do prefer the Hammer versions in every case.
I take it you prefer the Hammer version of The Phantom of the Opera too?
The acid scene is in the 1943 version as well, but is quite early in the film, and Christine is already an accomplished opera singer. When the Phantom erroneously believes someone at the printing company has stolen his music he loses it and strangles the man he suspects to death in a fit of rage – someone comes to the man’s aid and throws acid in the Phantom’s face, causing him to run away blindly, and as the police chases him he seeks refuge in the sewers.
I agree that this version has the most sympathetic Phantom – by far. Other than slapping Christine and giving the workers a fright, he doesn’t do anything wrong. The true villains are the Dwarf and Lord Ambrose D’Arcy, who got away unpunished for his heinous crime and behaviour! He should have gotten his comeuppance IMHO.
The ending, with the opera about Jeanne d’Arc is terrific – I almost wish we could have seen the entire performance.
According to the audio commentary on the 1943 version it was intended that the Phantom would really be Christine’s father, and that he did everything to help her career – sabotaging others and scaring them off, and even committing murder. For some reason these scenes were either cut or never filmed, and you are left with the impression that the Phantom is obsessed with Christine instead.
People gush about the 1925 Lon Chaney, Sr. black & white silent film, but I think it would be hard for it to top the Hammer version.
Speaking of the Lon Chaney, Sr., version… A while back James Rolfe (Cinemassacre/Angry Videogame Nerd) did a video on the mysterious character with a lantern who appears in the beginning of the film – I think it was meant to be an ‘epilogue’ & ‘introduction’ similar to the one with Edward Van Sloan in Universal’s Dracula & Frankenstein respectively, where he warns the audience of the disturbing themes of the film. The Simpsons did a parody of this for the early Treehouse of Horror episode(s), with Marge.
Now, after seeing the Hammer version, and the Rat Catcher character, it struck me that the man with the lantern could be a rat catcher, and that the inclusion of the character in the Hammer film could be a homage to the 1925 film.
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No.980
>>976
Shieeeeet! I didn’t pick up on that even after seeing the films and finding the article ;_;
BRB committing sudoku
>>977
Sad! Many such cases.
I read that the Collinson Twins retired not long after Twins of Evil and moved back to their native Malta, presumably wanting to distance themselves from their rather risqué films, photoshoots, &c.
It seems like Twins of Evil was quite heavily censored, with scenes being cut – one user at the Classic Horror Film Board called it “Not hardcore, but not exactly soft either.”
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/monsterkidclassichorrorforum/twins-of-evil-1971-t3499.html
Btw., check out that bite in the fourth pic – a nice change from the usual vampire jugular bite tbh.
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No.983
>>979
>I take it you prefer the Hammer version of The Phantom of the Opera too?
I'll need to track down and watch the 1943 and silent versions to compare (though I have a feeling I've seen the 43 when younger). But I imagine Hammer will take the cake as it has that charm. Certainly preferable to the film adaptation of ALW's that came out a few years ago. I grew up on the stage musical though. Saw it 2 or 3 times growing up. This playlist has the whole thing (best version IMO). You can imagine what's happening by the music alone.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7W_dYeTF7pQps9-ldmNLuNTbzATsfmVu
>Lord Ambrose D’Arcy, who got away unpunished for his heinous crime and behaviour! He should have gotten his comeuppance IMHO.
The phantom paid him a visit just before the final performance. I presume ol' Ambrose got his shit kicked in at the very least, more likely ended up dead. He runs away! You're right, what kind of comeuppance is that?
>it was intended that the Phantom would really be Christine’s father, and that he did everything to help her career
In the musical that is picked up on in a way. The phantom is obsessed with Christine and uses her desire for a father figure (due to her father having passed) to his advantage.
>Now, after seeing the Hammer version, and the Rat Catcher character, it struck me that the man with the lantern could be a rat catcher, and that the inclusion of the character in the Hammer film could be a homage to the 1925 film.
I like that thought. On a side note, that Rolfe guy has a really annoying quality. Like I just want to see him punched in the face.
>>980
>BRB committing sudoku
So it wasn't just me? She was completely different!
>It seems like Twins of Evil was quite heavily censored, with scenes being cut – one user at the Classic Horror Film Board called it “Not hardcore, but not exactly soft either.”
I don't recall there being much nudity etc in it? Maybe I watched a censored version. Oh I see that quote was referencing Halfway Inn (subtle).
>a nice change from the usual vampire jugular bite tbh.
Indeed.
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No.990
>>983
The 1925 version is in the public domain, so you can find it on the Internet Archive: https://archive.org/details/ThePhantomOfTheOpera1925NewYorkGeneralReleasePrint_620
The 1943 version has a lot going for it IMHO; the opening scene is one of the best I have seen in any film – It opens with a performance at the opera, and there is no actual dialogue other than the singing for five minutes, yet it manages to set up the relationship between the characters in a perfect way. Claude Rains is one of my favourite Universal horror actors – supposedly he got his distinct voice after a gas attack during WWI, and he learned to play piano and violin for the role as the Phantom.
Also, Susanna Foster, who plays Christine, is a fantastic singer and a true beauty.
The 1943 Phantom was one of the first colour films by Universal, and I think colour was a perfect choice for this film – the Technicolor colours look amazing.
>On a side note, that Rolfe guy has a really annoying quality. Like I just want to see him punched in the face.
Eh, there are a lot more annoying and smarmy YTers I’d like to punch tbh – anyone from That Guy with the Glasses. That said, I’m not a fan of Rolfe – I could hold him still while you punch him in the face?
>So it wasn't just me? She was completely different!
Absolutely! I completely missed Madeline Smith in Taste the Blood of Dracula (1970) when I first saw it too. Granted she was only in it for one scene, and I think she was wearing a whig, but still.
>I don't recall there being much nudity etc in it? Maybe I watched a censored version.
Judging by the behind the scenes/promo photos, it looks like it was intended to be more Risqué than what ended up on screen after the censors were done with it.
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No.996
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play. >>973
It's ringing a bell. I'm sure I've seen [Repo! The Genetic Opera] but it's very hazy in my memory.
If Phantom of the Paradise looks cool, Repo! isn’t far behind either, IMHO. It is a horror musical by the guys who made Saw, and stars Anthony Stewart Head, Alexa vega, Paris Hilton & Sarah Brightman.
The main problem with it, looking back at it now, is the CGI, which is suboptimal. Thankfully it is confined to shots of the cityscape. If they replaced the CGI with practical effects in an effort to make it look like the coulisses of an actual opera being performed, I think that would have been a nice look for the film; embrace the opera/stage look fully.
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No.998
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play. >>996
If I did watch it in the past I must have been half asleep. It's so familiar but at the same time foreign. Added to the list.
I've just been listening to tracks from the Phantom and came across these just now. Embedded is the original cast recorded in 1988.
This is a better quality performance from 1993 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQKIRT76YDY
And this is a copy I found of the performance in German. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aOLOH8tUN8
And an audio book recording of the Leroux novella https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7aopTmB-Dg
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No.1014
>>998
>Embedded is the original cast recorded in 1988
wew
Sarah Brightman is in this too!
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No.1017
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play. >>1014
>Sarah Brightman is in this too!
Yes! And she's the voice of Christine in this playlist https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7W_dYeTF7pQps9-ldmNLuNTbzATsfmVu
She will always be Christine. The 88 recording is incomplete and fuzzy but it was great to watch it. Michael Crawford is just amazing.
>>990
>you can find it on the Internet Archive
Nice. I also found this colour tinted 1929 synchronised soundtrack version on yt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vElsIYXbhMU which includes an amazing colour sequence of the masquerade scene (skipped ahead just to see).
>That said, I’m not a fan of Rolfe – I could hold him still while you punch him in the face?
I don't really want to see him punched in the face of course. Though I love that you'd hold him down for me.
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No.1072
>>1017
I’ll give the ’88 version a watch ASAP. The VHS quality makes it better tbh – I love the æsthetic of VHS.
>I also found this colour tinted 1929 synchronised soundtrack version on yt
Neat-o! I remember reading somewhere that they actually shot a colour sequence for the film – gotta be one of the earliest sequences for a feature length film shot in colour, right? Sound didn’t become a thing till the early 1930s, so this is way ahead of its time.
>I don't really want to see him punched in the face of course.
Is slapping more your thing?
Btw., I was looking around a folder when I saw this pic of a Norwegian big box VHS release of The Vampire Lovers! I need to get my hands on this.
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No.1098
>>1072
>Is slapping more your thing?
Funny you should mention that. I did just enjoy watching Lindsey Lohan get slapped down after she tried to kidnap some kids off the street.
https://twitter.com/ryanspearsz/status/1045918102775451648
Don't fuck with Pakistan
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No.1099
>>1098
The absolute state of Lindsay Lohan. Don’t do drugs, kids!
>Don't fuck with Pakistan
Agreed. Leave Pakistan alone and hopefully they’ll return the favour.
Finally got around to watch the ALW ’88 version of The Phantom of the Opera yesterday – the VHS quality does some really interesting things to the colours; The beat-up old VHS æsthetic made Christine’s dress during the Masquerade song change colours all the time.
Brightman’s voice is truly gorgeous, and the music impeccable. Not a fan of the humour they inserted though, I really prefer the horror take of the 1943 Universal & 1962 Hammer films. Granted there were some lighthearted moments in the 1943 film, but it wasn’t anything distracting that lessened the eerie horror atmosphere. I also think Christine was brought to the Phantom’s lair way to early in the ALW version. IMHO that should come towards the climax of the film.
While he doesn’t sing, Claude Rains’ remains my favourite Phantom – that distinct voice of his is really something else.
Got a copy of the official ALW 1987 release, and I’ve been listening to that now. Gonna check out De Palma’s Phantom of the Paradise next.
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No.1103
Just finished De Palma’s Phantom of the Paradise.
Really strange film that mixes the legend of Faust with the 1944/1962 films, where the Phantom is horribly scarred in an accident after he goes on a rampage to avenge the theft of his music.
If it had been made later, in the 1980s, I think a more synth heavy score would have been better. Not really a fan of any of the songs in this film.
The blood in this film must have been inspired by Hammer horror films – the colour is very similar to the trademark blood in all the Hammer films.
De Palma’s Best Film Ever: Phantom of the Paradise (1974): http://archive.is/VvhNc
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No.1106
>>1103
Weird, this comment is not coming up on the board?
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No.1115
>>1106
It took several attempts before it was posted because Code Monkey keeps tampering with the site all the time. Last week several posts/threads all over the site disappeared. They should be restored now, I manually retrieved some from the memory hole over at that other board.
Just got done with Scars of Dracula from 1970. Not a fan tbh. It looks great, and Jenny is gorgeous, and Lee is given a lot more screentime, but the story and characters are forgetable to say the least. Dracula has a single bride, as he did in the original Hammer Dracula, but she is killed off rather quickly. There is even a scene where Dracula’s manservant, Klove, dismembers her body. We don’t see anything, but you see him hacking away with a bloodstained meat-cleaver, and then sawing off something – the sounds and the sight of the tools are quite effective, and better than showing it, but it feels completely unnecessary, like some sort of twisted fan service?
There is an audio commentary on it, with Marcus Hearn, Christopher Lee and director Roy Ward Baker – Baker of course, also directed The Vampire Lovers that same year. I think the commentary will be more interesting than the film itself.
I don’t recall seeing the infamous stairs in this… Maybe they stopped using them when they started shooting their films at Elstree Studios?
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No.1116
About ten minutes into the audio commentary and Lee talks goes on a mini rant about modern films which show all the gore.
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No.1131
>>1103
BO from the other board here, I should watch that one. I love De Palma's films and that poster alone looks very interesting.
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No.1135
>>1131
I did like how it takes a pisstake at the music industry – and probably the entire entertainment industry, with its focus on idolising stars, while the people who work behind the scenes are treated like shit. Winslow Leach/the Phantom signs away his music and soul to the evil music producer Swan – he literally signs the contract with his own blood. For someone who is familiar with Faust he really should know better tbh.
Swan’s assistant is smoking hot tho. Keep an eye out for her.
Phantom.Of.The.Paradise.1974.720p.BluRay.x264-CiNEFiLE
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No.1164
Got The Satanic Rites of Dracula from 1973 off of my backlog last night. Certainly the most unique in Hammer’s Dracula series; it another modern day Dracula, and is a weird combination of sci-fi and espionage thriller with Dracula added as an afterthought. I seriously believe this started out or was pitched as a cold war spy thriller and some head honcho at Hammer decided to somehow force Dracula & Van Helsing into the plot. Supposedly a working title for the film was Dracula is dead and well and living in London.
Also, for some weird reason it is considered to be in the public domain in the US: https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/monsterkidclassichorrorforum/why-is-the-satanic-rites-of-dracula-in-public-doma-t40747.html
The full film at the Internet Archive: https://archive.org/details/384608137
Peter Cushing & Christopher Lee are both entertaining in their scenes, and Dracula gets a lot more lines than in most of the other films in the series. Van Helsing’s granddaughter is recast, and this time we have Joanna Lumley in the role! This was Lee’s final Hammer Dracula film, but Cushing returned for one final film, a martial arts/horror crossover.
Still, after spirit cooking and Moloch making headlines in the news back in 2016, the idea of a bunch of politicians and others in the rich elite getting together for Satanic rituals is more relevant now than in the 1970s.
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No.1172
>>1116
That reminds me of the point you made about the power of the mind's eye when reading as opposed to being shown on the screen.
My gosh was that Roddy Mcdowel? So young.
>>1135
I was racking my brains trying to think where I recognised 'maximum smugness from'. Suspiria.
>>1164
>The full film at the Internet Archive
Cheers
>and this time we have Joanna Lumley in the role!
I get such a kick out of seeing Lumley so young! I grew up with her as Patsy in Ab Fab.
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No.1187
>>1172
>My gosh was that Roddy Mcdowel? So young.
>I get such a kick out of seeing Lumley so young! I grew up with her as Patsy in Ab Fab.
I had a similar feeling when I saw a young Derek Fowlds in Frankenstein Created Woman (1967). I grew up seeing him as the grumpy old police sergeant Oscar Blaketon on the long-running TV show Heartbeat. So weird.
I thought Lee sounded reluctant about playing Dracula on the audio commentary track for Scars of Dracula, but this is what he said about The Satanic Rites of Dracula:
<“I’m doing the next one under protest. I think it’s fatuous. I can think of twenty adjectives… fatuous, pointless, absurd. It’s not a comedy… [but] it’s a comic title. I don’t see the point. I don’t see what they hope to achieve… I just hope they [the audience] realise that I am struggling against insuperable odds on occasion to remain true to the author’s original character.”
https://www.classic-monsters.com/the-satanic-rites-of-dracula-hammer-1973/
Not sure what I think of it tbh. On one hand it is really, really weird to see these characters in a sci-fi spy thriller, but on the other hand there is something oddly enticing and entertaining about it all.
Joanna Lumley’s Jessica Van Helsing is much more likeable than the character in Dracula A.D. 1972. It would have been interesting to see her as a regular on the fictional The Van Helsing Mysteries: http://archive.is/o8Gib
The Van Helsing Mysteries: https://www.invidio.us/watch?v=fryQyFU0Pps
Any idea why the changed Van Helsing’s first name from Lawrence (in Dracula A.D. 1972) to Lorrimer (in The Satanic Rites of Dracula)?
Also, Caroline Munroe, who starred in Dracula A.D. 1972, is also in the remake of Vampyres.
Here are my remaining Hammer horror films (totally up for revisiting the other though!):
The Legend of the 7 Golden Vampires (1974)
The Two Faces of Dr. Jekyll (1960)
The Kiss of the Vampire (1963)
The Witches (1966)
The Plague of the Zombies (1966)
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No.1192
Oh, I forgot to add Blood from the Mummy's Tomb from 1971 to my list of remaining Hammer horror films. Not really a fan of the first Hammer Mummy film, but this one looks interesting.
<Besides providing a rare leading role for Valerie Leon, the film is notable for its troubled production. Peter Cushing was cast in the film and completed one day's filming before leaving the production after his wife was diagnosed with emphysema. Cushing was replaced by Andrew Keir.[3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_from_the_Mummy's_Tomb
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No.1204
>>1187
>>1192
>Peter Cushing was cast in the film and completed one day's filming before leaving the production after his wife was diagnosed with emphysema
Poor guy
I propose we make those you have listed as our starters for the Hammer horror viewings.
>Not sure what I think of it tbh. On one hand it is really, really weird to see these characters in a sci-fi spy thriller, but on the other hand there is something oddly enticing and entertaining about it all.
I got the archive copy but haven't watched it yet. Will be worth it just to see Lumley.
>The Van Helsing Mysteries
I remember this being posted in /tv/. Would have been a fun show.
>Any idea why the changed Van Helsing’s first name from Lawrence (in Dracula A.D. 1972) to Lorrimer (in The Satanic Rites of Dracula)?
Not the faintest. It's a funny thing with adaptations of Stoker's Dracula; they always make strange changes. Like switching 'round the characters names etc.
>Also, Caroline Munroe, who starred in Dracula A.D. 1972, is also in the remake of Vampyres.
Neat.
Speaking of horror, I must admit this kickstarter got me salivating a little.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/creatorvc/in-search-of-darkness-the-definitive-80s-horror-do/description
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No.1206
>>1204
>Poor guy
Yeah, she died not long after getting that diagnosis, I think, and he took a break from acting after that. The death of his wife really broke his heart from what I’ve heard. He was cast in Lust for a Vampire (1971), but when his wife died he turned it down, and his role (the history teacher) was taken over by Ralph Bates.
I mentioned that Cushing was really smitten by Ingrid Pitt in an earlier thread (over at /tv/?), and I recently found a BTS photo where he even managed to steal a kiss! https://thetelltalemind.com/2014/10/23/the-vampire-lovers-1970-the-visuals/
>I propose we make those you have listed as our starters for the Hammer horror viewings.
I got The Legend of the 7 Golden Vampires, but based on the tumbnails it is gonna be dreadful, and maybe not the right mix of bad of the two current year (early 1970s) ones before it.
Also, I missed another film too, yet another horror film based on the Whitechapel Murders; Hands of the Ripper from 1971: http://www.mondo-digital.com/handsripper.html
List some films you would like to see for the first time, and we can make a crème de la crème watch-list of Hammer horror to go thru!
>Will be worth it just to see Lumley.
Yeah, I kinda like the two Dracula films set in the 1970s. They have a special kind of charm to them, and if you are a big Lumley fan, it is a must watch. Once you get past the weird sci-fi opening, it is a fun watch.
>It's a funny thing with adaptations of Stoker's Dracula; they always make strange changes. Like switching 'round the characters names etc.
Aye. Cushing’s character is the only one who got a name-change from the previous film, to which The Satanic Rites… is a direct sequel to though. In Brides of Dracula we see that his first name begins with J., while in the book it is Abraham, same as the author.
>Speaking of horror, I must admit this kickstarter got me salivating a little.
That looks really neat! They got the same artist who did the pic in the OP to do some of their artwork too.
I wonder if they will include any non-US horror though. From their trailer it seems to focus entirely on burger horror. Hopefully they’ll include Italian 1980s horror too, ie films by Italian crews shot in the US.
Would have liked to see an interview with Linda Blair as well, if they are doing a segment ‘women in horror’
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No.1208
>>1206
>I recently found a BTS photo where he even managed to steal a kiss!
Cheeky. They look so relaxed and friendly in those bts pics.
>Hands of the Ripper from 1971
Looks fun.
>List some films you would like to see for the first time, and we can make a crème de la crème watch-list of Hammer horror to go thru!
Ok, I'll have a think on it.
>Cushing’s character is the only one who got a name-change from the previous film, to which The Satanic Rites… is a direct sequel to though
Curious.
>They got the same artist who did the pic in the OP to do some of their artwork too.
Ah and so it is! Awesome.
>From their trailer it seems to focus entirely on burger horror.
Looks like that is their focus. You never know, we might get a nice surprise.
>Would have liked to see an interview with Linda Blair as well, if they are doing a segment ‘women in horror’
They have to hit 90,000 pounds for that stretch goal. They've got about 15 hours to get approx. another 5,000. Fingers crossed they make it. I imagine Linda Blair would probably participate if asked but The Exorcist came out in the 70s. I just watched The Fog the other night for the first time and was struck by Adrienne Barbeau's voice, glad to see she is participating. Also Heather Lagenkamp always seemed like a good sport. It's funny because I randomly came across a kind of lecture given by Dee Wallace the other week on a ufo or paranormal type yt channel. Turns out she's a medium of some sort. I think she said audiovoyant or something (basically she hears voices). It was wild watching her speak and talk about how her instincts got her acting gigs and how she's good with animals on set. It will be interesting to see how she is in this doco.
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No.1213
>>1208
>Cheeky. They look so relaxed and friendly in those bts pics.
According to the audio commentary on Hammer’s Dracula, the (uncredited) old woman who plays the staked vampire bride would only lay down in the stone coffin in the crypt if she got a kiss from director Terence Fisher.
It’d be funny if Madeline Smith got a kiss from Ingrid BTS too, just to practice the scene of course.
>Curious.
Indeed; Curiouser and curiouser!
>I imagine Linda Blair would probably participate if asked but The Exorcist came out in the 70s.
IMHO The Exorcist is overrated, and Friedkin is a hack who got lucky, and thinks he is an auteur.
My fave Linda Blair film is Hell Night from 1981; such an underrated 1980s slasher! Linda plays a college student who goes thru hazing on Halloween with a few other sorority and fraternity pledges by spending the night locked in in an abandoned mansion where a deformed lunatic roams the halls according to legend. Great characters that are surprisingly likeable and fleshed out for a slasher film, and pretty atmospheric too.
I wouldn’t be surprised if it helped inspire Scream Queens, especially the episode where they are all locked inside Kappa House, and the killer is stalking them and using the secret tunnels to move around unseen.
>I just watched The Fog the other night for the first time
I have yet to see that. I have heard some good things about it, and seen some of the BTS shots of the monsters. Never knew Dee Wallace was into UFOs… I remember her from The New Lassie TV show, and she was in Stephen King’s Cujo, I believe.
I posted an article on taht other board about Kim Wilde seeing a UFO earlier this year. Seems like all the cool kids are seeing them nowadays.
Do you remember if they got Barbra Crampton to appear as well? I think I remember seeing her in the trailer; she was in two Lovecraft-adaptations, and she more recently (2016) starred in Beyond the Gates, which is very much going with the 1980s æsthetic, and last night I found it on a list of stylish cosmic (ie Lovecraftian) horror films.
Btw., since we are talking about ’80s horror (designated thread when?), there is a really great, underrated one called The Gate from 1987, and it is actually one of the most Lovecraftian films I have seen. Also, the kids use fag as an insult in it, which is kinda funny to see. Imagine the outrage if they did that today. And there are some genuinely freaky scenes and effects in it, especially considering the three protagonists are pre-teens and teens.
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No.1216
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play. >>1213
>It’d be funny if Madeline Smith got a kiss from Ingrid BTS too, just to practice the scene of course.
Of course.
>Hell Night from 1981
Added to the list. I've never even heard of this. I think I've only seen Blair in the exorcist movies and cameos etc.
>I have yet to see that. I have heard some good things about it,
It was alright. Barbeau's voice tho. Wew.
>Never knew Dee Wallace was into UFOs
I'm not sure if she is. She just happened to be on a yt channel that definitely had ufo alien stuff because I was watching some abduction testimony from some woman on it and Dee came up in the side bar from the same channel. She was talking about hearing voices and life experiences only iirc. I'll see if I can find it.
I always think of her as the mum in E.T.
Found it. This was the alien woman. She says she was abducted as a child and then later on had a reptilian hybrid baby that visits sometimes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5xh-WDcmg4
And this was Dee's talk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgH0LUgPq5c
>I posted an article on taht other board about Kim Wilde seeing a UFO earlier this year.
Which thread? Got to love Kim Wilde https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ij8BpOa-Pg
>Do you remember if they got Barbra Crampton to appear as well?
Yes! And they want to focus on her for the women in horror extra as well.
>(designated thread when?)
Let it be so!
>The Gate from 1987
I watched this quite a few times as a kid. My siblings and I laughed at the little demons and isn't there a scene where the voice in the phone says You've been BAD and then melts? Would love to watch it again.
>Imagine the outrage if they did that today.
Definitely notice how different it is now. If even pg movies from the 80s were released today, well they wouldn't be released.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4Ljj8W1hE8
<The 1980s where it’s easier to come out as a werewolf than as a gay person
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No.1217
>>1216
>Added to the list. I've never even heard of this. I think I’ve only seen Blair in the exorcist movies and cameos etc.
Then you are in for a treat! The DVD I bought years and years ago has terrible picture quality - it is so fucking dark you can hardly tell what is going at times. Pretty sure it was sourced from a VHS, and it is a legit official release.
>I always think of her as the mum in E.T.
I have never actually seen all of E.T.
>She says she was abducted as a child and then later on had a reptilian hybrid baby that visits sometimes
Well, that’s nice of him, I guess. Gotta visit your mother!
Have you seen Troll 2? I saw a trailer for Best Worst Movie, about the cult following it has, and the actress who played the mother is now a basket case.
>Which thread?
The music thread: >>>/bestemma/285
http://www.thegoldwater.com/news/20845-80s-Pop-Star-Kim-Wilde-Sees-a-UFO-Says-She-ll-Never-Be-the-Same-Again
>I watched this quite a few times as a kid. My siblings and I laughed at the little demons and isn't there a scene where the voice in the phone says You've been BAD and then melts? Would love to watch it again.
Yup, and don’t forget the scene where they think their parents have come back, and as they hug them, the dad tries to strangle the boy to death while the mother watches and laughs, and then the dad’s face melts away and falls off, or when the boy sees an eye appearing in his palm, or when the boy whispers to himself “Hell on Earth” and just closes his eyes with a defeated look on his face. So many great and memorable scenes! Just love this film so much. I gotta get this on Blu-ray. My DVD is not much better than the Hell Night one when it comes to picture quality.
><The 1980s where it’s easier to come out as a werewolf than as a gay person
wew! Gotta say, he took it pretty well.
Back then they knew how to be subtle about sexuality in films & TV.
Speaking of films you could never remake in the current year: Sleepaway Camp from 1983. Someone had spoiled the ending for me, but If you haven’t seen it, you are in for a wild ride.
Also, I think James Earl Jones’s dad plays the chef at the summer camp in that film.
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No.1218
>>1217
>I have never actually seen all of E.T.
Blasphemer!
I don't know how it would be to watch it for the first time as an adult. Probably very schmaltzy. One of the few Spielberg's that I like. Or I should say it falls in his fun movie period. Great soundtrack and featuring cute as a button Drew Barrymore (who's food magically gets larger as she eats). Making this webm (no spoilers) I want to watch it again now. Might watch it tonight.
>Have you seen Troll 2?
I haven't seen any of them. Only the oft shared clip of the boy with the bad acting.
<and then they're going to eat me…
I need to see it sometime.
>and the actress who played the mother is now a basket case.
Because of the movie kek?
>the dad tries to strangle the boy to death
Oh I remember that now, and the eye.
>Speaking of films you could never remake in the current year: Sleepaway Camp from 1983. Someone had spoiled the ending for me, but If you haven’t seen it, you are in for a wild ride.
Kek yes I have seen this, and the sequels! Has become a favourite. Would absolutely never be made today. I tried desperately to find a soundtrack some years ago only to find out that the original tapes had been destroyed! Dedicated fans had made some tracks available by ripping them directly from the movie. I quite like Angela's Theme.
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No.1229
>>1218
>Blasphemer!
I know ;_;
Since I am already in trouble, I might as well confess that I haven’t seen any of the classic Indiana Jones films either…
Drew is so young there, I doubt if I would have recognised her.
E.T.' came out two weeks before The Thing I think, which may have affected how that performed at the box office. Though most reviewers at the time seemed to detest it because it was so nihilistic and dark and gory.
>I don't know how it would be to watch it for the first time as an adult. Probably very schmaltzy.
I think you are right. It might be one of those films you have to have seen growing up to be able to fully enjoy later.
>Because of the movie kek?
It probably didn’t help!
It was really sad to see though – I think the actor who played the kid brother made the docu, and he visited and talked to the rest of the cast and some of the crew. The guy who played the dad seems like a swell fella – great sense of humour. They both decided to visit the actress who played the mother, seeing her for the first time sense they starred in the film, I think, and if I remember correctly she never left her house – at all, and she was clearly mentally unsound, so the whole visit seemed awkward as fuck.
>Kek yes I have seen this, and the sequels!
I have only seen the first one so far. Is it true that one of the sequels is a comedy?
Normally horror films have to one up the previous film, but I have no idea how they would be able to top the ending in the first one.
Thanks for posting the OC with the soundtrack! Much appreciated.
I might have to watch it again, and maybe the sequels?
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No.1230
>>1229
>I haven’t seen any of the classic Indiana Jones films either…
Boy you better have seen Jaws…
>E.T.' came out two weeks before The Thing I think
They couldn't be more diametrically opposed in content about aliens. If they both came out now at the same time Alex Jones would have a fit about the infowar.
>It was really sad to see though
Sad. Should I watch the movies before watching the doco or would it not matter much?
>Is it true that one of the sequels is a comedy?
2&3 are comedic and I quite enjoyed them. Very different from the original but coherent continuations. I have a feeling 4 (made in 2008) was made to capitalise on the recent revival in interest in Sleepaway at the time. I only watched it once and thought it sucked. Maybe I should watch it again but I remember it being just bland. Though now I do remember there was at least a fun twist at the end that made it the viewing experience easier.
>I have no idea how they would be able to top the ending in the first one.
They don't come close. 2 & 3 are fun slashers but I doubt much could top the ending of Sleepway Camp.
>Thanks for posting the OC with the soundtrack! Much appreciated.
Most welcome!
>I might have to watch it again, and maybe the sequels?
For sure. The sequels were fun. Talking about it makes me want to watch them again.
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No.1231
>>1230
>Boy you better have seen Jaws…
Eh, does Jaws 3D count?
>They couldn't be more diametrically opposed in content about aliens.
Hollyweird often release similar movies at the same time. I think The Abyss came out close to Leviathan in the late ’80s, both taking place in the deep sea.
>Should I watch the movies before watching the doco or would it not matter much?
Not sure. I don’t think it matters tbh. Troll 2 is a meme movie, so I doubt it will be ruined by watching the docu first.
>They don't come close. 2 & 3 are fun slashers but I doubt much could top the ending of Sleepway Camp.
Sad! I get that they wanted to cash in on the first film, but it just feels like it would hurt the legacy of the original. It would probably be hard to come up with a twist to top or compare to the first film…
And now for something Hammer related: I’ve been a right fool! It seems Lorrimer is a petform of Lawrence, I was skimming thru Dracula A.D. 1972 the other night, and they referred to Professor Lawrence Van Helsing as Lorrimer in it, so they didn’t change his name after all!
I always thought Larry was the petform of Lawrence…
Btw., the soundtracks for Hell Night and The Gate are really awesome as well. Especially the end credits for The Gate are Elder God tier, and that synth score in Hell Night as they try to escape the mansion, only to find themselves locked in by the tall stone fence and locked wrought iron gate – amazing!
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No.1232
>>1231
>Eh, does Jaws 3D count?
Shit is that the one when they have the underwater section and the shark breaks the glass? Traumatised me as a kid. Refused to ever enter an underwater ocean thing. Never actually was presented with that situation but it was in the back of my mind for years. Like that scene in one of the Nightmare on Elm Street sequels where the woman drowns in the shower. Jaws is definitely worth the watch. Well made, some heartwrenching scenes. Classic dialogue.
>Hollyweird often release similar movies at the same time. I think The Abyss came out close to Leviathan in the late ’80s, both taking place in the deep sea.
So true. And so obvious. There will suddenly be 3 or 4 movies with the same subject/plot/setting coming out at roughly the same time. The poor guy who originally comes up with a concept must get so screwed over.
>Sad! I get that they wanted to cash in on the first film, but it just feels like it would hurt the legacy of the original.
I remember when I watched the sequels I didn't mind much because, although consistent with the first they (2&3) occupy their own space. I need to watch them again now because I can't remember much.
>It seems Lorrimer is a petform of Lawrence
Wow, first I've heard of Lorrimer tbh.
>I always thought Larry was the petform of Lawrence…
Maybe Larry came into common use after Lorrimer fell into disuse? I always wondered how Bill/y came from William.
>Btw., the soundtracks for Hell Night and The Gate are really awesome as well.
Can't wait to check out Hell Night and give The Gate another viewing.
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No.1233
>>1232
>Shit is that the one when they have the underwater section and the shark breaks the glass?
Yup! That is the one. I only watched it less than a year ago though.
Guess I will have to add a lot of popular films to my watch-list…
If Jaws 3D traumatised you, what di you think of Creature, the 1998 TV mini-series from 1998, based on the novel (White Shark) by Peter Benchley? That shark/dolphin hybrid was pretty creepy.
>I need to watch them again now because I can't remember much.
That must mean they are pretty decent.
Also, we can agree that Part VII – The New Blood is the best film in the Friday the 13th series by far, right?
>Wow, first I've heard of Lorrimer tbh.
Same. I saw his name on the book in the film, Professor Lawrence Van Helsing, and then one of the police detectives calls him Lorrimer… They did change his ancestor’s name into Lawrence as well.
>Can't wait to check out Hell Night and give The Gate another viewing.
Yeah, I think I’m gonna have to give them another watch myself.
Any progress on the list of Hammer horror to watch?
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No.1234
>>1233
>what di you think of Creature
I'm afraid I have never seen nor heard of this.
>we can agree that Part VII – The New Blood is the best film in the Friday the 13th series by far, right?
That one was great! Really liked the heroine. I have a feeling I liked all of them up until the Jason takes New York bomb.
>Any progress on the list of Hammer horror to watch?
I haven't thought about it yet sorry :s But if you have some suggestions I'm all ears.
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No.1237
Welp I just watched E.T. again. So corny you would not believe but I still cried. Also noticed that one of the kids in the movie was the cop in Kindred… E.T. was his first acting gig.
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No.1246
>>1234
>I'm afraid I have never seen nor heard of this.
If you like sharks and horror it should be the thing for you. I watched it on TV back in the day, and it was pretty spoopy. Craig T. Nelson & Kim Cattrall play the leads, and the special effects, which were done by Stan Winston, are really good.
Photos of the monster, mostly BTS/making of – massive spoilers, obvi.: https://monsterlegacy.net/2013/03/13/monster-gallery-peter-benchleys-creature-1998/
>That one was great! Really liked the heroine.
IKR? It was the first Friday film I saw, and it is still my fave. Such a great idea to breathe new life into the series and make it stand out. It was the first film Kane Hodder played Jason as well.
>I haven't thought about it yet sorry :s But if you have some suggestions I'm all ears.
No worries. Take your time.
>>1237
Damn, not sure if i would have noticed it was the same guy myself.
The only films that made me a little teary-eyed is The Lord of the Rings (Fellowship & Return in particular), and Boy A.
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No.1266
>>1246
>Photos of the monster, mostly BTS/making of
This looks like fun. Added to the list.
>The only films that made me a little teary-eyed is The Lord of the Rings (Fellowship & Return in particular), and Boy A.
Fellowship had me rekt at Boromir's end. Great adaptation. I'd never heard of Boy A but loved Garfield in Never Let Me Go (Another film that just destroyed me). I'll add Boy A to the my backlog but am worried that it's going to be awfully depressing?
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No.1302
>>1266
I screwed up; there is actually a interesting article on Creature on the site as well, talking about changes from the novel and the inspirations behind them: https://monsterlegacy.net/2013/03/13/peter-benchleys-creature/
>I'll add Boy A to the my backlog but am worried that it's going to be awfully depressing?
’tis. It is a real downer, so be prepared for that; a really bleak and depressing film. Just when you think things are working out they come crashing down harder than before.
If you do watch it, I would very much like to hear your take on the ending.
There were quite a few moments in Return of the King that were really powerful; Théoden’s speech and subsequent death in particular. His last words to Éowyn… That was perhaps the change from the books I like the most. For some reason Aragorn’s speech before the Black Gate did not have the same impact on me that Théoden’s had.
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No.1307
I just found 'Captain Kronos: Vampire Hunter' on YT. Could be our next Hammer movie to watch? Heard references to it many times but have never watched it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsWAVsRefSg
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No.1311
>>1307
Lovely stuff! I looked it up on Wikipedia and it stars Shane Briant (from Frankenstein and the Monster from Hell) & Caroline Munro (Dracula A.D. 1972). Looking forward to seeing this one.
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No.1312
>>1103
Finally watched this last night.
>Not really a fan of any of the songs in this film.
I liked the first song Winslow was singing at the piano.
>The blood in this film must have been inspired by Hammer horror films – the colour is very similar to the trademark blood in all the Hammer films.
Too right. Like when Swan removes the dagger from Winslow.
>>1135
>he literally signs the contract with his own blood. For someone who is familiar with Faust he really should know better tbh.
Right. And I also had a problem with how Swan acquired the power of the devil (over life and death) just because he too had signed a contract?
I guess I really should get around to reading Faust.
Phoenix was repulsive in character. What the hell was Winslow thinking? I guess by the time she revealed her nature he was so far gone and had already built up an idolised image of her? Phoenix and Swan may not have been of the same feather exactly but they were certainly alike enough to flock together. Actually the movie felt like it was coming to an end by the opening of the Paradise. I felt it drag on after that.
The split screen bomb song segment was great.
>when Winslow found the tape
HOW can it take so long to decide to destroy it!?
>>1311
Fantastic.
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No.1313
>>1312
I’m not gonna pretend like I have read Johann Wolfang von Goethe’s Faust, or seen F. W. Murnau’s Faust – Eine deutsche Volkssage (1926), but I think everyone knows the basic gist of the story. Doesn’t Swan at one point even give Winslow the TL;DR version?
About the contract… It does feel a bit off that Swan is able to make deals with people like the one he made with the Devil. I get that the film is making a point about artists signing away their rights to evil corporations, but the idea that a mortal man who made a deal with the Devil can do it as well doesn’t really work IMHO.
As for Phoenix, Winslow saw her true colours after he had already signed away his work/soul, so there wasn’t much he could do, but he came off as a weak character when he continued to pine for her. Swan pretty much cucked him too, and he just watched and cried before he tried to kill himself.
>HOW can it take so long to decide to destroy it!?
https://www.invidio.us/watch?v=sVgVB3qsySQ
I think Swan’s recording studio/company was originally called ‘Swan Song’, but in order to avoid getting sued by someone who already used that name, they had to change it. I think that is why you have this goofy-looking effect where the new name has been put over the original in post production. Look at Swan’s podium when he gives his press conference on the air field – the new name is clearly added later.
Also, there is a new Hammer style film coming out next year: House of the Gorgon
Some familiar Hammer stars on the credits, but the trailer looks so bad I could not even finish it. It looks like a very bad amateur fan film, and with neon lights for some reason. I love me some neon, but not in a Hammer film.
I also stumbled upon a podcast episode dedicated to Hammer horror the other day: https://actionagogo.com/2018/10/31/cinema-shame-hammer-horror-shamedown/
Only thirty min in yet, but they have mentioned the reused sets, and the infamous stairs!
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No.1318
>>1313
>I think that is why you have this goofy-looking effect where the new name has been put over the original in post production. Look at Swan’s podium when he gives his press conference on the air field – the new name is clearly added later.
OMG yes! I was going to ask what you thought might be going on with the podium with the clearly edited footage but forgot. Webming it now and noticed the death bird on the back of the thug. So I guess they re-filmed that section with the crowd?
Also forgot to say I thought Beef's performance, while generally great, was a bit too much with the camp characterisation. It came across as a mockery of gay men. Minstrel like. Rather than believable as a character. Though I guess the other characters are like that. I got Rocky Horror vibes from the movie but felt that it failed precisely due to that kind of poor over the top acting of the characters that Rocky pulled off convincingly.
Just noticed as well that there appears to be the original swan logo on the exclusive photographer's jacket.
>https://www.invidio.us/watch?v=sVgVB3qsySQ
Why you little.
>I also stumbled upon a podcast episode dedicated to Hammer horror the other day
Will check it out.
>Only thirty min in yet, but they have mentioned the reused sets, and the infamous stairs!
Great minds anon.
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No.1326
Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play. >>1318
>ebming it now and noticed the death bird on the back of the thug. So I guess they re-filmed that section with the crowd?
>Just noticed as well that there appears to be the original swan logo on the exclusive photographer's jacket.
Nice catch! I don’t think I noticed the original logo. I assume they filmed the crowd scene with the original ‘Swan Song’ logo, but only bothered to change the logo on the podium? Don’t remember if they changed it in other scenes as well, or if they reshot or filmed them after they were forced to change it.
>Also forgot to say I thought Beef's performance, while generally great, was a bit too much with the camp characterisation. It came across as a mockery of gay men. Minstrel like. Rather than believable as a character. Though I guess the other characters are like that. I got Rocky Horror vibes from the movie but felt that it failed precisely due to that kind of poor over the top acting of the characters that Rocky pulled off convincingly.
I think I read that the actor playing Beef felt the same way; that it was too campy and over the top. It is a wee bit distracting, but Swan and Winslow are also rather out there.
>Great minds anon.
Not so sure about that; the guys on the podcast talked smack about the Hammer Phantom of the Opera. Very disrespectful!
Btw., have you seen the TV series Hammer House of Horror? Thirteen episodes, all of them standalone stories. Looks like they all take place in the present day (ie 1980s). Only watched the first episode so far, and I didn’t get any Hammer horror vibes from it; it is rather different than the Gothic look and atmosphere I am familiar with when it comes to Hammer, with the exception of the Dracula films set in the present day of course. Cushing is in at least one episode, and I recognise Brian Cox’ name.
https://networkonair.com/box-sets-bonanza/2726-hammer-house-of-horror-the-complete-series-blu-ray-
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No.1327
>>1326
>Hammer House of Horror
Boy is that a blast from the past. One of our tv channels used to have a Sat night line up in the 90s.
>Hammer show
>Old 70/80s European horror movie
>Eat Carpet (a show featuring short clips and films by indie film makers/animators)
It was a great line up. Of course I can't remember anything beyond how good the line up was. Would love to see the Hammer series again. I wish I could find out the movies they used to show as well.
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No.1330
Actually, now that I think about it the Hammer series that was played before the movie each week, might have been a doco series. Or maybe a presenter talked about Hammer stuff before presenting each episode.
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No.1373
>>1327
>>1330
Sounds like I really missed out; none of the TV channels here showed anything worthwhile back in the day. if they did something similar nowadays I would watch it for sure; a sexy vampiress horror host and some classic horror film would be a welcomed change from all the crap they broadcast these days.
The Hammer House of Horror series might be one to keep on watching then. I think one or two of the episodes are said to be quite good.
>I wish I could find out the movies they used to show as well.
Do you remember any titles?
>Eat Carpet (a show featuring short clips and films by indie film makers/animators)
For real? Sounds like a missed opportunity to show some sapphic kino tbh, or maybe it would be a little too on the nose.
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No.1375
>>1373
>a sexy vampiress horror host and some classic horror film would be a welcomed change from all the crap they broadcast these days.
How fun would that be!
>The Hammer House of Horror series might be one to keep on watching then. I think one or two of the episodes are said to be quite good.
Shout Factory has made them available to watch!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDFKH6qeRHA
>Do you remember any titles?
Unfortunately, none at all. I just remember they tended to be European. The most I can remember is an Italian (I think) one set near a castle.
>For real? Sounds like a missed opportunity to show some sapphic kino tbh, or maybe it would be a little too on the nose.
Ha yes for real. I'm sure they had some sapphic/queer content included. I just can't remember.
So I just looked it up and you'll never guess where the name came from…
<The name appears to come from an anecdote about Adolf Hitler, recounted by a diplomat who, while waiting for an audience, saw, through a partly open door, Hitler throw himself down on the floor and start biting the carpet. William Shirer, in his book Inside the Third Reich, says the diplomat subsequently referred to Hitler with the pejorative German word Teppichfresser, which translates as 'carpet eater' or 'carpet gobbler'. The term denotes utter madness.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eat_Carpet
Certainly not the reference I thought it made all these years.
AND someone has made at least the first episode available it seems.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWGhntjYUGU
They must have had Liquid TV on just before or after Eat Carpet in the line up because I remember this intro so well as being apart of those nights https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27p1TBLhjDI
The best I can find of something similar to the line up is this 95 archive paper of the SBS schedule. So the show was The World of Hammer a doco series. This was in a different city but I imagine the line up was close.
This dude also hosted cult movies on the channel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-oLUG92GsA I think this was later in the decade than the Horror line up though. But I did find some people listing films he used to present here
<Oh Des ! Those Italian Lesbian Vampire Movies !! With the Underwired Nightdresses. And Excessive Eyeliner. sigh
https://www.reddit.com/r/australia/comments/34pfub/des_mangan_cult_movies_a_list/
The 90s were /comfy/ in many respects.
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No.1376
<And he explained that Hitler had been in such a maniacal mood over the Czechs the last few days that on more than one occasion he had lost control of himself completely, hurling himself to the floor and chewing the edge of the carpet. Hence the term "carpet eater."
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/William_L._Shirer
Hitler was a carpet muncher.
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No.1402
>>1375
>Shout Factory has made them available to watch!
Just watched the first one. It stars Patricia Quinn of Rocky Horror… fame! I would recognise that laugh anywhere.
A different vibe from the usual period Hammer but fun. Reminded me of Tales From the Crypt (1972) in style.
I just realised from the screenshot I took that Quinn is blurred out. I wonder if the original (non youtube) copy is uncensored.
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No.1403
>>1402
I thought there was something vaguely familiar about the guy – turns out he is played by Jon Finch, who played in two Hammer films: The Vampire Lovers & The Horror of Frankenstein. According to Wikipedia he turned down the role of James Bond in 1973, and it says he was cast as Kane in Alien, but had to drop out on the second day of film due to a severe diabetic episode…
I did try to watch Rocky Horror Picture Show some years ago, but I couldn’t get into it… Wasn’t Tim Curry & Meat Loaf in it as well?
Did see one or two episodes of the early ’90s show Tales From the Crypt, but I found the episodes rather pale in comparison to the 1950s EC horror comics – remember the episode The New Arrival in particular; the comic version is one of my all-time favourites, drawn by Graham Ingels and presented in black & white and in pocketbook format when they were reprinted here in the 1990s. The TV adaptation completely failed to achieve the eerie, foreboding atmosphere and Gothic æsthetic of the comic…
is the 1972 film worth checking out? I see that Joan Collins & Peter Cushing is in it, and that it was produced by Amicus Productions, a company that made films in the vein of Hammer & American International Pictures (Roger Corman/Vincent price).
>I just realised from the screenshot I took that Quinn is blurred out. I wonder if the original (non youtube) copy is uncensored.
Sad! The original is indeed uncensored. I take it they didn’t censor the blood and gore in the YT version? Showing a decapitated bloody bird twitching in its death-throes is A-OK, but heaven forbid anyone see a pair of tits.
Hammer.House.Of.Horror.Complete.Collection.DVDRip.H264(BINGOWINGZ-UKB-RG)
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No.1406
>>1403
>Jon Finch, who played in two Hammer films: The Vampire Lovers
Oh my gosh he was the hero!
>According to Wikipedia he turned down the role of James Bond in 1973, and it says he was cast as Kane in Alien, but had to drop out on the second day of film due to a severe diabetic episode…
Poor guy, no luck.
>is the 1972 film worth checking out?
If you liked The Hammer House of Horror episodes, you'll probably like this one. It was ok I guess, kind of like a TV movie. I remember thinking the first story was kind of boring but the stories became more engaging as they went along.
>I take it they didn’t censor the blood and gore in the YT version?
Yep the decapitated, twitching bird is still in there.
>heaven forbid anyone see a pair of tits.
What's up with that? Society is weird.
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No.1409
>>1403
>I did try to watch Rocky Horror Picture Show some years ago, but I couldn’t get into it… Wasn’t Tim Curry & Meat Loaf in it as well?
Yes, and the lovely Susan Sarandon. Tim Curry is fantastic in it imo, along with Patricia Quinn and Richard O'Brien.
How far into it did you get?
I grew up with it so it's another one of those movies that I can't tell how it would be seen by someone in the current year for the first time. I remember trying to watch the semi-sequel/same universe Shock Treatment (which funnily enough has the main chick from Phantom of the Paradise in Janet's role) as an adult, and I couldn't get into it. I recommend giving it another go, if even to find nothing of value in it. But to have seen it from beginning to end. I really enjoy the music.
Current time wannabe cult films can't even compete.
I made a condensed version for you.
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No.1412
>>1403
>>1409
>I made a condensed version for you.
Spoilers, obviously.
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No.1442
>>1406
>Oh my gosh he was the hero!
I could have sworn he played Baron von Hartog who narrates the opening and beheads one of the Karnstein’ vampiresses, and later teams up to help them defeat Carmilla… But looking at it now, I see that I was completely mistaken!
In The Horror of Frankenstein he plays one of Baron Frankenstein’s childhood chums, who we see later as a grown-up as a Lieutenant in the police, and investigates cases of mutilation of cadavers and body snatching following the Baron’s return from medical school…
>It was ok I guess, kind of like a TV movie. I remember thinking the first story was kind of boring but the stories became more engaging as they went along.
I would probably watch anything with Cushing in it, and Joan Collins is an added bonus. I looked it up and I recognised one still from the old EC horror comics: the razor blades on the walls of a labyrinth. In the comic I believe they used nails instead, and as the crook was trying to make his way thu the labyrinth, the lights were turned off, and they released the (starved) hounds after him.
>What's up with that? Society is weird.
Beats me. Would have guessed the sight of the twitching bird and him smearing the blood on his mouth as he was digging a grave for it would have been far worse than seeing a pair of tiddies.
>>1409
>>1412
Guess I ought to give it a second chance then, due to your glowing recommendation. Should I see it before the condensed WebM?
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No.1443
>>1442
>and they released the (starved) hounds after him.
That one was particularly dark and well done.
>Should I see it before the condensed WebM?
I don't think it would make much of a difference. Probably better to watch the movie first. But if you can't be bothered, the condensed version is a snapshot of the madness.
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No.1457
>>1376
At first I thought that sounded like an urban legend à la Hitler supposedly having only one testicle, but given the drugs Hitler’s personal physician kept him supplied with, who knows what kind of effect that had on him, especially as the tide of the war turned against them.
Also, I take it you have seen the meme-y photo of the guy with the Hitler haircut going down on a chick, and her bush has been trimmed to look like Hitler’s moustache?
Finally finished DL-ing Blood from the Mummy’s Tomb and two more episodes of Hammer House of Horror yesterday. The remaining Hammer film are proving a bit harder to get a hold of tbh.
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No.1460
I just finished the second episode, The Thirteenth Reunion. Gotta say, I was not at all sure where they were going with this one. At first it reminded me a lot of an EC Comics horror story which dealt with a new and revolutionary cure for obesity (which has some truly horrible consequences), but then the car accident happened, and I was in the dark.
Speaking of the car accident scene… it reminded me a lot of the two scenes in Beyond the Black Rainbow & Mandy, only here he should tell himself “You’re not doing so good” instead.
It was unintentionally funny how the MacGuffin was sending Ruth to lose some weight! That Scottish personal trainer though… he was good. I doubt they would have made this in the current year, when ‘fat shaming’ is a thing to worry about.
When Ruth crashes the dinner party and she gets talking to the other woman, I feel it would have been better to keep the reveal that they were all survivors of the plane accident (presumably based on the 1972 Andes flight accident involving Uruguayan Air Force Flight 571) till they were actually seated at the table; then we could have had Ruth’s shocked and disgusted reaction while the others are somewhat bemused by her reaction and go on with their meal as she takes off. The way it is in the episode it goes on for too long – the moment Joan mentioned them all being survivors of the plane accident I knew what was going on, but they kept it going for too long.
It seems like a pretty convoluted plan to carry on their reunions tbh.
I recognised several familiar faces in this episode:
Dinah Sheridan – there is something really familiar about her, but looking up her lengthy filmography, the only thing I could have recognised her from would be an episode of Keeping Up Appearances.
Warren Clarke, known for a lot of roles; he’s been in A Clockwork Orange, Firefox, Dalziel and Pascoe, though I probably recognised him from Bleak House (2005)
John Louis Mansi, best known for playing Gestapo agent Engelbert von Smallhausen in ’Allo ’Allo! He was also in Tales from the Crypt (1972)! It all ties together, doesn't it?
Also, I forgot to mention this for the first episode, but they used one of my least-favourite tropes; a character from the past is transported into the present day or the future and reacts to modern technology (electrical light, plumbing, &c.) Can’t stand that trope tbh.
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No.1594
>>1457
>Also, I take it you have seen the meme-y photo of the guy with the Hitler haircut going down on a chick, and her bush has been trimmed to look like Hitler’s moustache?
No. And now you must show me.
>it reminded me a lot of the two scenes in Beyond the Black Rainbow & Mandy, only here he should tell himself “You’re not doing so good” instead.
I wonder how many other films/shows have done this type of scene.
>The way it is in the episode it goes on for too long – the moment Joan mentioned them all being survivors of the plane accident I knew what was going on, but they kept it going for too long.
Yes, I thought so too.
I tried watching beyond the first two eps the other night and just couldn't get into it. Rude Awakening just went on forever and I couldn't care less at the ending. I did like the main actor though, he as in Indiana Jones wasn't he?
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No.1598
>>1594
>No. And now you must show me.
https://cdn.4archive.org/img/1JfiPdR.jpg
>I wonder how many other films/shows have done this type of scene.
Seeing a vision of someone in the passenger seat, urging you on, or mocking you is probably more common that we’d think. I’ll certainly be on the lookout for them in the future.
>Rude Awakening just went on forever and I couldn't care less at the ending.
I genuinely liked that episode – right from the opening I felt this one was more ambitious and interesting that the ones before it. The secretary who changes looks throughout the episode, from dream to dream, was a nice touch. The overall plot held my attention too, though I rather suspected the ending, except for the very last part.
IMHO the episode Growing Pains was, by far, the worst of them. Total Vampyres remake-tier; the story is not only uninteresting but silly and boring, the characters a bore, and the child acting is far worse than you’d fear. The only noteworthy part about it was the main chick who is played the same actress who played the evil White Witch in the BBC series The Chronicles of Narnia from the 1980s and early 1990s (I’d definitely take the Turkish delights she offers in The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe without any regrets tbh). She looks amazing in this episode, if only she had been in another, more interesting episode.
Charlie Boy is really good; Guardian of the Abyss and Visitor from the Grave are both decent – the guy in Vistior from the Grave is really good – such a charismatic asshole, and that moustache is the cherry on top. The episode with Peter Cushing is not bad, but not that great either.
The Carpathian Eagle is easily the best episode of the series – really great stuff!
>I did like the main actor though, he as in Indiana Jones wasn't he?
I wouldn’t know, since the only Indiana Jones film I’ve seen is Kingdom of the Crystal Skulls. Please don’t glass me.
Btw., did you know Hammer had planned a fourth Carmilla film, called Vampire Virgins?
Kali, Devil Bride of Dracula or Dracula and the Blood Lust of Kali, was a planned prequel to their Dracula series, and would also been cool to see, and of course their planned Vampirella film! Caroline Munro turned down the role due to the amount of nudity required, same with Valerie Leon, so Hammer decided on Barbara Leigh instead.
http://web.archive.org/web/20181026220224/https://www.denofgeek.com/us/movies/horror-movies/240220/the-vaults-of-hammer-14-unmade-hammer-horror-films
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No.1649
Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play. Hammer: The Studio That Dripped Blood, a really interesting documentary from 1987 which features interviews with the cast and crew, and goes into the story behind the studio and the films.
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No.1669
>>1649
Just started watching. Hammer's son sounds exactly like that guy who had the conspiracy site with the woman before they split up over 'Charles' the insider dude. Bill something I think, and the woman was called I can't remember, maybe Cass?
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No.1670
>>1649
Did Lee say he stopped making those satanic films because fantasy became reality?
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No.1681
>>1669
Think I remember that case being discussed on /x/… That’s the one where the guy released the transcripts of the phonecalls he had with this chick who accused him of indecent behaviour when he talked to her (hypnosis?) about her supposed alien abductions?
>>1670
Maybe he bought into the Satanic panic of the 1980s? Or he felt that the nefarious Satanic deeds they portrayed in the horror films failed to shock people who had become desensitised to that kind of thing? On the audio commentary track for Scars of Dracula he said that the over-reliance on gore and blood had been the reason he quit making horror films.
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No.1682
>>1681
>That’s the one where the guy released the transcripts of the phonecalls he had with this chick who accused him of indecent behaviour when he talked to her (hypnosis?) about her supposed alien abductions?
I don't remember that but wouldn't be surprised if it was the same guy. There was this big hubbub about the pair, I think it was called Project Avalon then everything fell apart. They would roam around interviewing all sorts
<Super soldier MKUltra testimony
<Reptilian contactee exclusive
and all that.
>On the audio commentary track for Scars of Dracula he said that the over-reliance on gore and blood had been the reason he quit making horror films.
I think I recall him saying in some interview about how real and dark things actually were (maybe going into the 70s/80s) and he was worried? about people practicing 'black magic' or something. Then again he might have been selling a movie.
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No.1683
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play. Found it. Billy Ryan. Project Avalon. This is the guy that Bill stuck by as some elite insider. His work partner didn't trust 'Charles' and then left to do her own thing.
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No.1694
>>1681
>>1682
>>1683
Test. These posts aren't showing in the thread.
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No.1695
>>1694
Weird. I had to reply to them for them to show in my browser.
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No.1696
>>1695
Might have have something to do with the minor site-wide crash that happened the other day. Had touse the Anyone/0 login combo to bring back and respond to some threads on another board that also 404’d afterwards.
I take it you heard about the Vice ‘journalists’ who broke into Jim’s house? Methinks they are about to do a hitpiece on the site and hope to get it shut down.
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No.1698
>>1696
>Might have have something to do with the minor site-wide crash that happened the other day.
Suspected it could be to do with that.
>I take it you heard about the Vice ‘journalists’ who broke into Jim’s house?
Yeah wtf? Just read the headlines though, didn't look in to it. They really are trying to tighten the noose. 8 has a tiny userbase.
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No.1719
>>1698
Karma is a bitch though; a lot of mainstream, leftist newsoutlets (CNN, BuzFeed, Vox) have been forced to let people go recently, and Vice themselves may be in trouble…
Disney says its more than $400 million Vice investment is now worthless - Vox: http://archive.vn/wWKtl
>8 has a tiny userbase.
I wish I could say it was a case of ‘quality over quantity’, but when you look at the top/trending boards these days, you just wanna facepalm. Still, it is nowhere near as bad as the ‘competition’.
That Merkel woman gives me the heebie-jeebies big times
Btw., here is one film that had managed to avoid my attention for the longest time. Screenplay by Nigel Kneale, and starring Peter Cushing! It is from 1957, so one year before they made their first colour horror film – not a single seeder on any of the non-shite torrents so far.
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No.1783
>>1719
In a way, that same shit quality is what lets us get away with so much. It could be said that the site caters to the rejects of the internet in general, people willing to discuss things deemed too hot to handle for most sites. That eliminates the need to feign respectability.
Where else could you have a mostly male and third-position-leaning board devoted to sapphic kino? This is an oasis of freedom.
The price to pay is having Japanese sex toy ads but those are for noobs anyways. Any self-respecting user with a modicum of experience on the internet knows how to get rid of them.
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No.1966
Found this podcast called Hammer Horror Podcast covering the Hammer horror films. In one episode from 2014(?) they interview Hammer actor Shane Briant. Only seen him in Frankenstein and the Monster From Hell (1974) & Captain Kronos – Vampire Hunter (1974) so far. Really underrated actor IMHO, and it is a real shame he never appeared in more Gothic horror films for Hammer. As evident from the interview he lives Down Under now.
https://hammerhorrorpodcast.com/shane-briant-insight-into-the-master-of-evil/
<HHP: I just want to touch on [Captain Kronos – Vampire Hunter], because, its interestingly established a cult following, and I just wanted to know what you think is its appeal, and indeed the appeal of vampire stories in general.
<SB: Well, I’m getting a bit fed-up with vampire stories now, cause there are too many of them. Every second film you see on Foxtel is about vampires. The kind of vampire stories I like now are the European vampire stories, there was one I saw, and I can’t remember its name now, but it was about two modern-day lesbian vampires in Sweden. And that was pretty hot. I liked that. And I like the really old ones like Nosferatu.
Sounds like /ourguy/ to me. Any idea what film he was talking about?
Also, here is their coverage of ‘The Karnstein Trilogy’: https://hammerhorrorpodcast.com/2013/10/31/the-karnstein-trilogy-the-vampire-lovers-1970-lust-for-a-vampire-1971-twins-of-evil-1971/
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No.2616
Had a listen to the soundtracks to The Vampire Lovers & Lust For A Vampire earlier, and Ingrid Pitt & Yutte Stensgaard wrote introductions included with the CD releases. Hammer scholar Marcus Hearn also provides a lot of background and insight on the production of The Vampire Lovers.
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No.2618
>>2616
Wow, care to share where you sourced them? Nice find.
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No.2623
>>2618
You can find them on RuTracker.org – great DL speed on both:
Harry Robinson - The Vampire Lovers (1970) (CD, 2000) FLAC
Various Artists - The Hammer Vampire Film Music Collection (2001) FLAC
The soundtrack to Lust For A Vampire didn’t get a CD release on its own, but the five tracks are included in The Hammer Vampire Film Music Collection. There is a brief part in the opening theme (The Opening Credits) that reminded me of the opening theme to Dark Shadows.
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No.2907
Watched the 2018 docu Hammer Horror: The Warner Bros Years by Marcus Hearn the other day. Did not care at all for two of the guys being interviewed, and director Peter Sasdy turns out to be subversive asshole, but there are some cool BTS photos and footage, and the interviews with the actors were great; especially Veronica Carlson & Madeline Smith. Even though the film titled Hammer Horror they spend a lot of time on some of the thrillers, scifi/comedies and adventure films Hammer churned out at the same time.
I think the film is up on YT, but I can only recommend the interviews with the actors tbqh.
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