/sapphic/ - Sapphic Dreams

>>270

Just listened to the first four. So interesting. As soon as she began I started to think of the parallels with Osiris and Hindu creation by sound. I know next to nothing about Norse mythology so this is fantastic to learn about. Thanks.

>>272

>I think she mentions the connection to the ancient Vedas of India, and their similarities to Norse mythology in her videos

Yes in the second or third video she brings up Hindu and Egyptian mythology and similarities found.

lol she's angry in this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xivovaVyVdI

>tfw when half my ancestors are hebridean

>tfw Viking rape baby

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norse%E2%80%93Gaels

<The Norse–Gaels often called themselves Ostmen or Austmen, meaning East-men, a name preserved in a corrupted form in the Dublin area known as Oxmantown which comes from Austmanna-tún (homestead of the Eastmen). In contrast, they called Gaels Vestmenn (West-men) (see Vestmannaeyjar and Vestmanna).

>makesmethink.jpeg

>And a YT channel called Wisdom From North, where she talks about the meaning behind the myths

I'm a little confused about the lady with horn. Maria describes her as representative of death? But then also as the maiden with the mead horn that represents the soul? Were these two different ladies with horns or the same?

>A Womb by Magic – Transcending Gender, Transcending Realities | Freyia Völundarhúsins: http://archive.is/ZYnua

Interesting, will give this a read tonight.

>Compare this to Varg’s writings/ramblings,

Kek. He struck me as a psuedo-intellectual from the start so I always hide his threads whenever they pop up so don't keep up with what he has to say. Looks like that was a wise move. Didn't he murder someone in his youth or something?

>>275

I know here is an ancient thunder/weathergod named Teshub from Hurrian mythology that shares some similarities with the Norse god Þórr (Thor) as well, this god is depicted with a beard and wielding a thunderbolt and a double-bladed axe or mace, and he had two steeds who drew his chariot. His Wikipedia article also mentions a myth where he is fighting a sea serpent. Sounds like there is some connection between the two IMHO, maybe a shared origin.

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teshub

I think Loki translates as ‘flashing/blinking light’, and is a symbol of lightning, while Þórr symbolises thunder, and in some myths he is chasing Loki across the sky – lightning flashes across the sky and not long after comes the deep rumbling of thunder. That is not to say that Loki is only meant to symbolise lightning, but all kinds of light, such as flickering flames.

>lol she's angry in this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xivovaVyVdI

lel

I have that video archived – same with her vids on the hidden meaning series. It’s lovely to see her get so fired up and passionate when she talks about this. She is spot on about the show too, it doesn’t appear any more historically accurate than ‘Xena: Warrior Princess’. I barley made it thru the first episode myself. I think the massacre of Verden, where Charlemagne ordered the death of about 4500 pagans, and the subsequent destruction of the Irminsul, and the effect it had on the Germanic was one of the main reasons why the Norse pagans fought back and raided religious institutions. The Danes even built a massive fortification to keep the Christians at bay – the Danevirke. Just like we have a foreign middle-eastern religion trying to take over the current one in Europe today… History has a way of repeating itself it seems.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_Verden

>tfw when half my ancestors are hebridean

>tfw Viking rape baby

Reparations time? I’m sure you could get some shekels from the Swedish government for the crimes of the Norsemen.

>makesmethink.jpeg

<The term austmaðr in the Íslendingasögur refers to a Norwegian within the Icelandic milieu almost without fail, and the austmaðr is an endemic feature of the Íslendingasögur.

— https://www.academia.edu/2368889/Disposable_Norwegians

http://www.medievalists.net/2013/02/strangers-in-icelandic-society-1100-1400/

That’s interesting. I didn’t know the ‘colonists’ referred to themselves at eastmen as well, though since there were no countries back then, and basically all the people who settled there came from what would be Norway it isn’t far-fetched that they would use the same terms. Just last year I noticed an obituary in the newspaper for a man from Iceland who had settled and died here and he had taken the surname Vestmann (‘Westman’).

>I'm a little confused about the lady with horn.

In Niels Christian Ursin Brøgger’s ‘Nordens demring: Nordiske myter og sagn’ (‘Dawn of the North: Nordic myths and sagas’), he explains that several gods and goddesses blend into one another, and their function or role is not set in stone. He also says that one god or goddess may have had several functions in one area, but fewer in others. ‘We must here be clear that it is not the name of the deity that is of importance, but their role, and the leading ideas put forth.’ (my own quick translation). Freyja simply means ‘the lady’, but her roles in the pagan pantheon is manifold – she is a goddesses of fertility (the female counterpart two Frey – and there are some incestuous goings on between them), but she also cares for the dead – she gets to pick half of the men who fall in battle, while Óðinn (Odin) take the other half. I think her realm translates as ‘people’s field’, maybe a reference to a burial site, a green field where the dead rest. I’ll have to see the video again to make sure though.

Speaking of horns… there is a figure found in Denmark that depicts Óðinn, seemingly with two horns: http://www.thehistoryblog.com/archives/44503

The blog, however, points out that the horns are actually birds – likely the two ravens Huginn & Muninn (‘thought’ & ‘memory’). There is an engraving of a berserker warrior clad with wolfskin being guided by a man with similar ‘horns’ (birds) and a spear – in all likelihood Óðinn, who is closely connected to the berserker warriors.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bronspl%C3%A5t_pressbleck_%C3%B6land_vendeltid.jpg

Horned helmets may have been used as ceremonial dress, at least pre-Viking age.

>Didn't he murder someone in his youth or something?

Indeed he did. One of his band members I think. I think he is really passionate about what he talks about, but he is really an amateur; he doesn’t understand Old Norse language, so for him to act like he knows what the myths mean and the correct translations makes him comes off as a pretentious buffoon. Not to mention he views everything though his warped mindset and tries to fit the myths to this.

>>288

>I know here is an ancient thunder/weathergod named Teshub from Hurrian mythology

I didn't even know of these people. Looking at the wiki link now. It's amazing the overlap and assimilation between all these cultures isn't it. Tracing their changes and movements over land and throughout time.

>I think Loki translates as ‘flashing/blinking light’, and is a symbol of lightning, while Þórr symbolises thunder, and in some myths he is chasing Loki across the sky – lightning flashes across the sky and not long after comes the deep rumbling of thunder.

Very cool.

>She is spot on about the show too, it doesn’t appear any more historically accurate than ‘Xena: Warrior Princess’

Yes it's practically pointless to watch such things for information for many reasons that I'm sure you understand. I try to find old writings/translations when looking at history for this reason.

>Just like we have a foreign middle-eastern religion trying to take over the current one in Europe today… History has a way of repeating itself it seems.

I'm an atheist but God help Europe, I don't know how they're going to deal with this.

>Reparations time?

Lol, Gael and Norse-Gael never get nuffink.

>That’s interesting. I didn’t know the ‘colonists’ referred to themselves at eastmen as well

Does this make us kinsmen?

>Not to mention he views everything though his warped mindset and tries to fit the myths to this.

Yes this is far too common everywhere.

>Freyja simply means ‘the lady’, but her roles in the pagan pantheon is manifold

Knowing so little of Norse myth I wonder if Freya could be identified with Venus/Aphrodite/Ishtar/Inanna/(Erishkigal)/Lakshmi? Or due to her position perhaps a different level. Or just not at all. She seems to share some of the traits of those just named.

>The word is used to refer to sex between two of the same sex, so apparently some of the vikings that visited the place had women with them, and two of them had sex with each other, and some guy named Helgi saw it and decided to carve what he had witnessed on the wall.

<Þorny fucked. Helgi carved.

That's hilarious. Ancient bathroom door graffiti.

>>288

>I know here is an ancient thunder/weathergod named Teshub from Hurrian mythology that shares some similarities with the Norse god Þórr (Thor) as well, this god is depicted with a beard and wielding a thunderbolt and a double-bladed axe or mace, and he had two steeds who drew his chariot.

There is also this guy Hadad/Adad in Akkadian mythology with similar features. And equated with Teshub.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadad

<From the Levant, Hadad was introduced to Mesopotamia by the Amorites, where he became known as the Akkadian (Assyrian-Babylonian) god Adad.[3][4][5][6] Adad and Iškur are usually written with the logogram 𒀭𒅎 dIM[7]—the same symbol used for the Hurrian god Teshub.[8]

<In Akkadian, Adad is also known as Ramman ("Thunderer")

Certainly seems like a connection.

>>299

>Venus/Aphrodite/Ishtar/Inanna/(Erishkigal)/Lakshmi?

well well well

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%A0au%C5%A1ka

<Shaushka is a goddess of fertility, war and healing. She is depicted in human form with wings, standing with a lion and accompanied by two attendants. She was considered equivalent to the Mesopotamian goddess Ishtar and is sometimes identified using Ishtar's name in Hittite cuneiform

< According to Hittite texts about Shaushka of Lawazantiya: she is clothed like a man and like a woman, and has male attributes such as an axe and weapons. Sometimes this has been taken as a sign of her bisexual or androgynous character.

>>299

>>300

>>302

There is a connection between the poem Skírnismál (‘story of Skírnir’ – whose name means ‘the shining one’), where the god Freyr falls in love with a female jǫtunn and sends his man-servant to set up a date between them, and the myth in Greek mythology, where Hades falls in love with Persephone, and kidnaps her, taking her with him to the underworld.

>I try to find old writings/translations when looking at history for this reason.

Hear, hear! Translations of the poems, prose myths and the sagas varies greatly, so being able to check with the original text and comparing the translations is a must.

>I'm an atheist but God help Europe, I don't know how they're going to deal with this.

Same here. We should either take back Greenland or even go back to Vínland to put some distance between ourselves and the invaders. Unless something drastic happens, Europe is fucked.

>Does this make us kinsmen?

I’d say so. Many Norsemen from Norway settled on the Western Isles permanently, and married the natives already living there. You guys have your own saga too: Orkneyinga saga. The Icelanders also have a substantial part of Irish/Celtic, since they brought with them slaves and prisoners from the British isles and ended up mixing with them.

As you can see from this map, you can see where the Norsemen from Norway settled and brought their language (Old West Norse) with them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Old_norse,_ca_900.PNG

Would go on raid with

>I wonder if Freya could be identified with Venus/Aphrodite/Ishtar/Inanna/(Erishkigal)/Lakshmi?

That certainly seems possible. I think she may share similarities with Friggja and Hel, and possibly Síf as well. It is interesting that there were two groups of deities, the Vanir and the Æsir, and they fought a long war against each other before making peace.

As you can see on this map it seems like there were some differences in where these different groups were worshipped – I live in the pruple region where they appear to have coexisted: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Norse_paganism_map.png

The female jǫtunn Skaði (‘Damage’), the goddess of skiing and hunting with bow and arrow, and connected to the winter and the mountains, must also have been much more important in the past – supposedly she gave the name to Scandinavia.

>>307

>That's interesting. I was looking at the celtic sun god and goddesses last night and their names were also potentially to do with shining/brightness.

wew

One of Varg’s albums is called ‘Belus’, referring to the Norse god Baldr, who is said to be very fair, bright and white – there has got to be something to the similar names and attributes methinks.

Also, I came across this image a while back – it is of some ceremonial armour for a horse connected to Celtic mythology. Know anything about it? It looks pretty badass tbh.

>As it stands now, it really does look like a last flicker of hope lies in the east. I really am taken aback at how fast Europe is being lost.

Yeah, it’s not looking good. I heard some rather depressing crime stats from the capital today… Surprisingly it turns out violent crime is on the rise among ‘youths’, especially in certain neighbourhoods in the capital. Coincidentally these neighbourhoods also have a majority non-western immigrant population.

I’ve just watched the Norwegian version of the interview, and she goes into greater detail about the lady with the mead in it here, than in the English interview. The lady with the mead is a figure that represents the fate-goddess each and every one of us has from birth and which follows us through life – she might be comparable to what we might today think of as a soul’ or spirit. She says that there are three kinds of these souls (or spirits). These myths are about the hero rousing his sleeping spirit guide.

In the recommended video list on YT I noticed this video which talks about reincarnation in Norse paganism, and also mentions the spirit – the guiding spirit is connected to one’s family and will look after the members of the family, it can take the shape of an animal. Depending on a person’s character/personality it can take the form of a bear, wolf, stag, fox, bull, &c.

Reincarnation and the Tripartite Soul of Indo-European Tradition by Survive the Jive: https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=YGGejwE2XMM

This three-part of the soul/spirit mentioned by Maria & Survive the Jive corresponds perfectly with the view of the soul/spirit which appears to have been a common view in Indo-European myths that there are three elements to the soul.

Compare this to the ‘Valknut’ symbol which consists of three triangles connected and forming one larger triangle – it is also found in Celtic mythology. It seems to be connected to death/afterlife – could it be a symbol of the three parts of the soul/spirit? The name means ‘knot of slain warriors’.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valknut

And while we are on the topic of symbols – the Swastika appears to be a symbol connected with Þórr/Thor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika_%28Germanic_Iron_Age%29

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%A6b%C3%B8_sword

A swastika also appears on Thor’s belt in this 1872 painting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thor%27s_Fight_with_the_Giants

Mjölnir always reminds me of the Labrys

>>416

>Early Christianity adopted (ie hijacked) a lot of old pagan customs and the original celebration was replaced with a Christian one

Yes that's what I was meaning, that Christianity might have adopted the concept of the Trinity only after moving into Europe after it mixed with extant practices there.

>The swastika is known as the hook cross or fleetfoot here, the sun cross is different, but also found in the Norse mythology…The wheels of the Trundholm sun chariot look like the sun cross,

Ah gotcha. I always thought they referenced the same thing.

>is there any mention of the Labrys having a similar short handle?

I know very little about it unfortunately.

>His RPG does seem interesting though.

Tell me more.

>>420

The suncross reminds me of the viking ringfortresses. It seems likely that the four entrances correspond to the four directions North, West, East & South.

>Varg’s RPG

He made a Dungeons & Dragons style RPG a few years back – really quality stuff too I think, with nice artwork and a detailed map. He made a YT video going over the different races/factions in the game, and they are based on the different peoples of Europe – Gaels, Saxons, Slavs, etc.

Who would have thought Varg plays pen & paper roleplaying games? He has done reviews of RPGs as well, I remember seeing a video where he sits in his car and talks about the expansion pack to the Lord of the Rings RPG.

<Even in the 18th century the site was still associated with traditions and rituals, by then relating to Norse gods.

<One stone, known as the "Odin Stone" which stood in the field to the north of the henge,[3] was pierced with a circular hole, and was used by local couples for plighting engagements by holding hands through the gap. It was also associated with other ceremonies and believed to have magical power.[5] There was a reported tradition of making all kinds of oaths or promises with one's hand in the Odin Stone; this was known as taking the "Vow of Odin".[6]

It seems strange that Odin should be associated with romance/love, instead of Freyja, but the hole in the stone could be a symbol of the one-eyed Odin.

Orkneyjar - The Odin Stone: http://archive.is/UQLhf

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Orkneyjar - The Odin Stone and its wedding connections: http://web.archive.org/web/20170922075832/http://orkneyjar.com/history/odinstone/odwedd.htm

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standing_Stones_of_Stenness

>>735

Yeah, it is so fucking crazy that he just destroyed it and especially that he got away with it. At the very least he could have gotten someone to help him move it somewhere else.

>>708

wew

That is so cool. Rome is probably the only large city I would like to visit; so much ancient history at every corner!

http://web.archive.org/web/20180518041919/https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/the-mouth-of-truth

>>755

>Rome is probably the only large city I would like to visit; so much ancient history at every corner!

I visited Rome a while back. There really are just ancient sites and ruins practically everywhere. Preferred the cities further north though.

>>759

Did you visit the usual tourist attractions – Flavian Amphitheatre, Forum, &c.?

I think I would have preferred to avoid standing in line to see all the usual attractions in favour of the more interesting sites such as Hadrian’s Villa in Tivoli and everything connected with the Medici family of Firenze.

Lookie lookie at what was in that lit link. Finally got my hands on the eddas to peruse at some point! Unfortunately no luck on the sapphic collection

>no sources

Will try a few more times.

>>1440

>I wish Maria Kvilhaug would do an annotated translation of it as well; it is so important that the names are translated as well in order for it all to make sense.

I would love that as well, after seeing some of her vids you posted.

>have you seen the infamous VICE interview with Gaahl?

Checking it out now. I pretty much know nothing about black metal music.

>>1440

>no plumbing

What savagery is this?

I like his paintings.

He seems a little intense…

>At the end he is so fed up with the interviewer’s ignorance and stupidity he just refuses to speak to him and sits in unblinking silence for minutes till the interviewer finally takes the hint and ends the interview.

Oh my gosh, frozen like a statue. U N C O M F O R T A B L E

<guide me

Kek, it's like he hadn't listened to a word Gaahl said. I can understand why he just stopped interacting at that point.

>>1448

>I was imagining you sitting inside as the rain pours down when they were looking out the window. And wondered how you deal with the weather there. Does it bother you, not matter much, or do you enjoy it?

It can be a little gloomy and bleak, especially during autumn, but I’d take rain and fog and cold over the sweltering heat of summer… Last summer, when the temperature didn’t drop below 25 °C, I just couldn’t sleep. No idea how you guys can handle all that sun and those hellish temperatures tbh. That has more of an effect on the body than weeks of cold drizzle and fog.

Also, while autumn and winters are long dark and cold, the spring and early summer is a delight – everything is green and blossoming and it is warm enough that you can walk around in a t-shirt and shorts, and it never gets dark during the summer nights, just a light dusk – and if you live in the northern parts, you even have midnight sun during the summer months.

>I wonder if he was trying to pull some interrogation tactic, waiting him out to speak again. Fail.

Maybe he should have brought a buddy, and tried good cop/bad cop on him?

I did find two articles by Varg talking about recent black metal books/docus – I think he shares Gaahl’s views on people from the mainstream media writing on the topic.

http://www.burzum.org/eng/library/haavard_rem_innfoedte_skrik_norsk_svartmetall.shtml

http://www.burzum.org/eng/library/lords_of_chaos_review.shtml

>Can't wait to give this a listen.

Along with Ivar Bjørnson & Einar Selvik’s musical project ‘Skuggsjá’ (‘Mirror’), and the Swedish Forndom, Wardruna is the only sound that manages to capture the Norse spirit. Still, it irks me that they call Yggdrasill an ash-tree in one of their songs… It is of course a yew.

>While watching the doco I kept thinking of that Wadruna performance with Aurora in the cave.

I’m still to bummed out she got blacked too be able to listen to her again. What a waste ;_;

>>1449

>and if you live in the northern parts, you even have midnight sun during the summer months.

I would love to see that. And the Northern Lights.

I guess growing up here I'm fairly adjusted to the heat. When it drops below 20 I am cold and uncomfortable. But our weather is so shit here. It isn't consistent, so you can't adjust to one temp before it goes up or down 15 degrees the next day, sometimes in the same day.

>>1522 (checked)

>I don't give a fuck if Alex Jones doesn't believe ANY of what he talks about - the fact is that he is OBJECTIVELY a pioneer for the sharing of unkosher information

Right on.

>Fuck styxhexenhammer.

Wew. I watched the vid and didn't get the impression that he was shitting on Alex or anything. I agree that he seems to be a content aggregator (like most heh). I imagine the value isn't exactly in what he is saying but in that he models to his audience ways of parsing information. Fuck me I am so exhausted and can only think in 'teacher' talk at the moment sorry.

>>1520

>the photo in >>1493 (You) reminded me of something, I have seen a theory online that the magical bridge Bifrǫst is actually Northern Light and not the rainbow.

*looks up Bifrost

What a mind fuck thinking about this as a bridge between worlds or dimensions and how light could play a part in it or this

<possibly connected to bil, perhaps meaning "moment, weak point")

>weak point

Just thinking about fucking worm holes or parallel dimensions.

>>1523

Shiiiieeeet. I had actually made a note in my (very incomplete) translation attempt of the Poetic/Elder Edda that Bifrǫst could be translated as ‘Den bevende broen’/‘the trembling/unsteady bridge’. There is another very interesting bit about Bifrǫst as well; it is said that Þórr cannot use the bridge because the red in the rainbow is fire. So each day, as the gods and goddesses travel to their daily council he has to use alternate route, crossing several rivers/streams.

And since we are all (hopefully) already wearing our tinfoil hats… In the second stanza of the first poem in the Elder Edda, Vǫluspá (‘The magic staff carrieress’ prophecy’) the witch tells Óðinn:

Ek man jǫtna, ár of borna,

þá er forðum mik fædda hǫfðu;

níu man ek heima, níu íviðjur,

mjǫtvið mæran fyr mold neðan.

Which in English could be translated as:

I remember jǫtnar, born in ancient times,

who in early ages fostered me;

nine recall I worlds, nine in the woods,

the great tree under the earth.

So, not only is the witch so old that see remembers the World Tree while it was still a seed in the ground, but she remembers nine worlds. Is she implying that the current world is just one of a series of worlds or universes – multiverses? And in the next stanza she seems to indicate that this world began with a massive sound wave; the name of the giant Ymir translates as ‘The Powerful Noise’. The jǫtnar themselves call Ymir ‘Aurmgelmir’, which could be translated as ‘Mud-Yelper/Bellower’.

It might be worth noting that there is a lava-tube on Iceland called Víðgelmir: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%AD%C3%B0gelmir – that name might mean ‘Wide-Bellower’.

In any case, Ymir’s son is named Þrúðgelmir (‘The Mighty Bellower’), and Þrúðgelmir’s son is named Bergelmir (‘The Bear Bellower’???). All these names indicate that the world/universe started with sound. Maybe spreading outwards like soundwaves or ripples in water, very strong and powerful at first and then decreasing in strength?

Also, back in March I finally got hold of a copy of ‘Ragnarok – En Billeddigtning’ (‘Ragnarǫk – A picture-poem’, or ‘A poem told through pictures/illustrations’). An absolutely stunning work of art; highly imaginative and powerful illustrations: http://heimskringla.no/wiki/Ragnarok_%28Louis_Moe%29

1. Indledning (Introduction)

2. Forberedelse (Preparation)

3. Kamp (Fight)

4. Udslettelse (Annihilation)

5. Fornyelse (Renewal)

>>1982

lol they deleted it within hours and apparently now a host of articles are blaming the internet for being ignorant trolls and not enlightened enough.

Do you ever get the feeling that mainstream media is the embodiment of gas lighting, manipulative, narcissistic, sociopathy?

>>1987

>Swedish professor that the Norsemen adopted Muslim Mohammedan symbols.

Will check it out. It wasn't the whole bullshit about the ring with the "arabic" being found on it was it? I remember when a bunch of news stories came out saying muslims was vikings and shit because of that ring.

>The people responsible for that ad must be fucking retarded if they think shitting on the intended audience’s culture is a good strategy.

What is their strategy/agenda/goal though? Pic related. Oh I see >>1989 also mentioned it.

>Straight The Shining reference.

IKR, that was well creepy. And the chanting of women's rights bits. Quite a number of sections are truly like watching a satirical piece in a dystopian movie.

>The twins disappear in the movie, maybe the message is that white girls will soon be a thing of the past after they're done breeding Swedes out of existence.

An anon said something similar about them being dead so the message is that we're dead (soon). OMG and I can't be the only one that saw the similarity of that "only gets worse" girl with the blacked girl.

>Also they didn't just blame the Russians but "Russian bots", to take the tinfoil hattery to a new level.

It's not good enough to imply that Russians are born evil at the molecular level. Not dehumanizing enough. No they must also be bots.

>>1989

>>1990

>>1991

>It wasn't the whole bullshit about the ring with the "arabic" being found on it was it? I remember when a bunch of news stories came out saying muslims was vikings and shit because of that ring.

If I remember correctly they found a ring with a blue stone or glass bead inscribed with the name “Allah”, and a piece of cloth with what one professor claimed also read “Allah”. I would assume the ring was either taken by force or traded from some Arabs encountered on their voyages east. The pattern on the cloth did not say “Allah”; it seemed more like a Swastika, or the “fire cross”, and it has been found here in Norway as well, and that was dated to before the Mohammedan religion, so it goes way back.

I noticed on Wikipedia that they are claiming the Selburose is also possibly of Mohammedan origin; look instead at the similarities between the Selburose and the symbol for the Latvian god Auseklis – it seems much more probable that the symbol is a shared European symbol.

Red Ice TV briefly mentioned the case in their video on the SAS ad, but I couldn’t find the video on the ring/fabric pattern on Bitchute.

>>1998

>look instead at the similarities between the Selburose and the symbol for the Latvian god Auseklis

Yes it also reminds me of the star of Ishtar/Venus etc. in as much as the 8 points.

2020; the gift that keeps on giving.

Anyone want to take bets on the next event? Yellowstone? Massive tsunami? Zombie outbreak? Ebola/Covid hybrid?

>>2607

Robot/AI uprising maybe? Or a meteorite crashing into earth?

At the moment my money is on the race war.

>>2620

Maybe another Carrington Event? That would probably be the final nail in the coffin for human civilization.

Or something to do with CERN/LHC?

>Hope you are staying safe and dry.

Everything went better than expected. We’ve got beautiful summer weather now. Just two weeks since there was a lot of snow left out in the wilderness though. Can’t remember there being any snow left in June before…

Nothing compared to the stuff you guys have to deal with Down Under though.

Came across the film a while back, but haven’t had time to see it yet. Looks kinda fun though – maybe based on Hervǫr in the Tyrfing Cycle? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hervor

Viking Destiny (2018) Official Trailer: https://invidio.us/watch?v=q_4GBQU89Ac

Took these last Sunday on the way home from my daily jog.

We’ve had a heatwave going for over a week now, and the worst is yet to come.

>>2634

It looks so beautiful. Freezing here (relatively speaking) <5 in the mornings. Would trade in a heart beat.

>>2635

>>2636

30° here today, and with one exception we have had well over a week with bright, sunny days with at least 25°. This is getting ridiculous. Still 19° now, at night, and it never gets more than a very light dusk at night, with the sun beginning to rise before 4 in the morning.

>This isn't exactly Norse but it's Old English

Close enough IMHO. The Anglo-Saxons worshipped the same gods as the Norse before conversion. They used runes too.

<life in the 5th/6th centuries was dominated by pagan religious beliefs with a Scandinavian-Germanic heritage.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Saxons#Religion_and_the_church

>>2641

Outside the cities our roads are godawful. But that is probably due to the long winters with snow, ice and temperatures down to -30°. That said, there is another heatwave coming this weekend…

Rewatched the Time Team special of Westminster Abbey a while back, and the same Selburose/Auskelis star can be found on the Cosmati Pavement.

Cosmati Pavement | Westminster Abbey: http://archive.vn/WJn6h / https://web.archive.org/web/20200627234104/https://www.westminster-abbey.org/about-the-abbey/history/cosmati-pavement

>>2627

>Viking Destiny (2018)

Got a copy of this a while back. Ready to watch and hopefully have some fun.

>>2828

>That said, there is another heatwave coming this weekend…

Hope you find some relief. We got snow on the outskirts of town the other day.

>and the same Selburose/Auskelis star

>6 points

>same star

>>2831

>and the same Selburose/Auskelis star

>6 points

>same star

Been doing a bit of genealogical research again lately, and it got me wondering why depictions of peoples ancestry is rendered as “family trees”, and if there is a connection to Norse/Germanic mythology. It seems like artists have used family trees to represent the ancestry of nobility and kings and queens since at least the middle ages. Is it a distinctly Western European idea to depict ahnentafels and ancestry with trees?

Yggdrasill is the world-tree in Norse/Germanic mythology, and in Gylfaginning by Snorri Sturlusson, three roots are said to keep the tree standing upright: the first is in the realm of the Æsir (gods and goddesses); the second is in realm of the hrímþursar (“hoar-frost giants”), where Ginnungagap, the yawning void before anything existed, once was; the third is in Niflheim, and below there is the well-spring Hvergelmir, and there the dragon/monstrous serpent Níðhǫggr (“Malice Striker/Biter”) constantly gnaws at the root.

Niflheim, which I take to be synonymous with Niflhel, is the realm of the forgotten dead and translates as “the shadowy/gloomy/murky/misty/foggy realm”, and “hel” means “hidden”. It is a place below the regular underworld according to the poem Baldrs draumar (Vegtamskviða) – Baldr’s dreams (The Wanderer’s speech). The way I interpret it, Niflheim/Niflhel is the realm of the forgotten dead – those who are hidden by the mist of passing time; no one living remembers or honours their memory and deeds, and Nidhogg tearing at the root symbolises how the dead will be forgotten as time passes unless one remembers them and honours their memory and deeds.

To be forgotten after death and end up in the realm of the hidden dead is the worst fate imaginable; a family tree will wither and without its roots it will fall. On the second album, Runaljod – Yggdrasil by Wardruna there is a song named Rotlaust tre fell – “rootless tree falls”.

In heathen times the gods and goddesses were represented by wooden figurines/figures and painted or sprinkled red with blood from sacrificed animals. Similar to how the roots of Yggdrasill were watered with the healing white mud?

Perhaps this watering with the white mud is a reference to the veneration of ones ancestors?

In artistic depictions Yggdrasill is usually shown as a physical tree, but maybe it is meant to represent humanity or kinship? Back in the day each farm had a tuntre (“farmyard tree”) as its center, a mirror or microcosmos of the world, with Yggdrasill standing in the center of the world, Ásgarðr, the realm of the Æsir, surrounded by Miðgarðr, the middle realm where humans live, and beyond that Jǫtunnheimr or Útgarðar, the outer realm of the wild, untamed primordial forces, the jǫtnar/giants.

The two first humans, Askr (“Ash”) & Embla (“Elm”???) were pieces of driftwood given breath of life, colour of life and destinies by the gods.

Two humans, Líf (“Life”) & Lífþrasir (“life-lover” or “the desire to live”) survive the devastations of Fimbulvetr (“the great winter”) and Ragnarǫk (“fate or the reigning ones”) because they have taken shelter in Hoddmímis holt (“Hoard-Mímir’s woodland”), which some scholars think is identical with Yggdrasill.

According to Wikipedia Rudolf Simek points out “that in Germanic regions, the concept of mankind originating from trees is ancient”.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoddm%C3%ADmis_holt#Theories

Also, beneath the world-tree’s root in Ásgarðr, the three norns, the Fates, who decide the fate of all living things live by Urðabrunnr (“well of Urðr” or “well of origin”) live. They water the roots so they won’t rot, and they weave tapestries telling the fate of all men (and deities). Since they are by the roots of the world-tree, it could be they base ones fate on peoples ancestry (roots of the family tree)…

Yggdrasill is depicted on the Överhogdal tapestries, dated to the late Viking Age, and it is an exact match with the world-tree Austras koks in the old, pre-Christian Lithuanian religion – just like the Auskelis star is similar to the Selburose!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96verhogdal_tapestries

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romuva_(religion)

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Medieval_miniatures_of_family_trees

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Family_trees_in_art

>>2842

>>2843

>Is it a distinctly Western European idea to depict ahnentafels and ancestry with trees?

I wouldn't have thought so but have no idea.

<that in Germanic regions, the concept of mankind originating from trees is ancient.

Connecting the concept of family trees to the world-tree is really interesting. Have you come across any writings or others that have discussed it as a theory?

>>2847

>I wouldn't have thought so but have no idea.

Found a family tree called the Tree of Jesse from the Bible:

<The Tree of Jesse is a depiction in art of the ancestors of Christ, shown in a tree which rises from Jesse of Bethlehem, the father of King David and is the original use of the family tree as a schematic representation of a genealogy. It originates in a passage in the biblical Book of Isaiah which describes metaphorically the descent of the Messiah, and is accepted by Christians as referring to Jesus.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_of_Jesse

>Connecting the concept of family trees to the world-tree is really interesting. Have you come across any writings or others that have discussed it as a theory?

Couldn’t find anything, only family trees of the gods and goddesses, and a bunch of sites selling Viking-inspired jewellery. There could be something in scholarly papers hidden behind paywalls though.

Might be worth asking Maria Kvilhaug if there is any connection between the world-tree and the idea of/depiction of family trees?

There was an ancient silver birch (Betula pendula) called Slindebirken or Slindebjørka (“the Slinde birch”) on a farm in Western Norway; the tree stood on an ancient burial mound (Hydneshaugen) from the 4th Century CE. The burial mound was considered holy, and the owners of the farm would pour ale over the roots of the tree every Christmas Eve.

The farmer who had first settled and built the farm had probably been buried there, and it was probably believed that this ancestor lived on through the tree on the burial mound.

Sadly the tree perished in a storm in 1874, but there are several contemporary depictions of the tree.

https://snl.no/Slindebj%C3%B8rka

https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slindebirken

Thomas Fearnley’s 1839 painting of the tree in high resolution: https://www.nasjonalmuseet.no/en/collection/object/NG.M.00363

There’s also Irminsul and Donar’s Oak (Thor’s Oak) – both were destroyed by the Christians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irminsul

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donar%27s_Oak

Dr. Jackson Crawford did a video on Yggdrasill recently: https://www.invidio.us/watch?v=yQ9vcDYHjpo

He brings attention to the mention of pine needles, which is very interesting, since I think Yggdrasill is a yew-tree, not an ash; in Old Norse “barraskr” (“needle ash”) refers to a yew, and I think it was due to an error in translation or reading the source text that “barraskr” became simply “askr” (“ash”).

He also recently did a video on the misconception that the Norse had no word for the colour blue, or that they used blue and black to refer to the same thing: https://invidio.us/watch?v=fIuqaKLTjsQ

In “Gylfaginning” (http://www.heimskringla.no/wiki/Gylfaginning) there is a description of Hel, the goddess of the underworld (also named Hel):

<Hon er blá hálf, en hálf með hǫrundarlit.

“She is half blue, and half flesh/skin-coloured.”

It does seem like most, if not all, translators, even the Scandinavian languages, translate the colour blue “blár” as “black”…

<Cyatonic is the bluish or purplish discoloration of the skin or mucous membranes due to the tissues near the skin surface having low oxygen saturation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanosis

Pretty sure this cyatonic discolouration is what the Norse imagined Hel to have – she has the appearance of both death and life at the same time.

>>2846

A star is a star. They are also made from the exact same diamond shape.

Next you’ll point out that the colours are all wrong too.

>>2853

>A star is a star. They are also made from the exact same diamond shape.

Bruh…

You think these are all the same?

>Next you’ll point out that the colours are all wrong too.

If colour is relevant to the discussion, yes.

Got around to seeing Viking Destiny aka Of Gods and Warriors from 2018.

There are some really beautiful locations shown in this film, the fights are well-done, the cinematography is beautiful, and the music is nice. There’s a lot to like about this film, and all these elements elevate this film above a lot of low-budget historical action films.

The acting is nothing to write home about, ranging from scenery-chewing to trying way too hard to serviceable. I really like Anna Demetriou as Helle, she looks the part and she does a fine job with the role. Terence Stamp as Odin did absolutely nothing for me, not only because the filmmakers decided to portray Odin with both eyes intact, and no dark blue broad-brimmed hat and cloak, but his delivery and the way they altered his voice and made him appear and disappear out of thin air vexed me greatly. Odin’s main distinguishable characteristic is that he is one-eyed – why on earth they couldn’t give the actor an eyepatch to wear, or use prosthetics and makeup to make it seem like he is missing one eye is baffling.

Ian Beattie, known for Game of Thrones, isn’t given enough to do, and far less to work with in his role. Taylor Frost is decent as Hakon and Will Mellor as Lord Soini likewise. Kajsa Mohammar looks beautiful as Tait, but isn’t given anything to do in the role.

The cave scene early on, Helle fleeing the kingdom and wandering around the wilderness, King Asmund’s funeral, and the mushroom scene are easily the highlights of the film. If the rest of the film and the writing had been on this level, the film would have been pretty damn great.

Loki is portrayed too much like goofy a devil-like figure, whispering bad advice into someone’s ear. And I’m not sure why they decided to paint his face half-black – perhaps a reference to his daughter, Hel, being described as half-blue/black and half skin-coloured, but that is because she is the goddess of the death-realm, halfway between death and life.

The Volsung castle is basically a stave church. Why not base it on a Viking ring fortress? And/or use the reconstructed longhouse at Lofotr Viking Museum? They could have shot interior scenes there without having to build anything or buy expensive props.

The proto-hippies annoyed me to no end. They have no weapons, are vegetarians, and spend their days dancing and frolicking in flimsy gowns, even wearing these impractical garments when they are chopping firewood. These people wouldn’t survive a week on their own drinking turnip juice and dancing around the bonfire preaching about “peace and love, man”.

Saw Steve Sailer on Twitter saying that Trump’s mother Mary Anne MacLeod was raised in a Gaelic-speaking family on the Isle of Lewis in the Outer Hebrides. Perhaps a distant relative of you, BO?

There is an article on her ancestry on CNN, but even though they sent someone over to look into his ancestry it is a dreadfully boring hitpiece on him disguised as an article. Hardly any information on her ancestors at all.

Donald Trump's Scottish roots: How a tiny island could shape a President - CNNPolitics: https://archive.vn/vACUI / https://web.archive.org/web/20161102231906/http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/02/politics/donald-trump-ancestry-scotland/index.html

Happy Leif Erikson Day, everyone! Celebrate responsibly.

Is this film any good (Trollhunter, 2010)? I read its Norwegian, deals with trolls and is a found footage film so I thought I should ask here.

>>3199

Only seen it once; was not blown away by it. For a Norwegian film and for a found footage horror film there are some pretty decent shots and special effects. The massive mountain troll at the end in particular looks cool.

Illustrator Theodor Kittelsen heavily influenced the way we imagine trolls to look like; forget the trolls you see in The Lord of the Rings; the trolls of folklore are massive, and ghastly caricatures of humans. They often have more than one head and turn to stone when exposed to sunlight. While they are dumb and can be fooled by a clever protagonist in fairytales, they speak our language, some of them well, while others just barely.

Keep in mind that it is a comedy horror, sorta like The Return of the Living Dead. One thing that annoyed me and took me out of the film somewhat was that they threw in a bunch of well-known “comedians” for the smaller roles. You have Otto Jespersen playing the titular troll hunter, Robert Stoltenberg, Knut Nærum, Helén Vikstvedt, and, I believe, Pernille Sørensen. I actually think someone who is unfamiliar with these comedians will enjoy the film more.

If you are looking for a serious horror/mystery/drama based on folklore, I would recommend Thale from 2012.

Thale (2012) - Official Trailer [HD]: https://www.yewtu.be/watch?v=X4XoSmUoZIY

Brought this film up over at tvch the other day, but it seems impossible to find a copy of it. For its attempts to faithfully represent the time period it makes some really dumb and obvious mistakes, like the protagonist being named Baldur. I fear there could be some pozz there, with the protagonist supposedly bringing back “knowledge from distant countries and empires” and the villain “and his clan, who fear the unknown and want to wipe out the bearers of knowledge”. That reminds me an awful lot of the SAS commercial claiming Scandinavia imported all its culture from the rest of the world.

The idea that the Norse would need to import knowledge of seafaring and medicine from faraway lands is beyond preposterous – the Norse had the most advanced ships by far, they could navigate using sunstones and the stars, made superior swords and longbows.

With all this it seems pointless to go to such lengths to try and show an authentic depiction of the time when you clearly are making amateur mistakes like naming the protagonist Baldur – no one would ever dream of giving their child the name of one of the gods. That would have been considered sacrilege.

<Markus Dahlslett’s work now represents the first Norwegian-produced film in this new wave of cinematic Vikings. With limited funding, 70 good assistants, lots of hard work and thorough research, he was ready for the premiere of his short film “Trace” (34 min). The film is part of Dahlslett’s master’s thesis, Et spor av fortiden (“A trace of the past”) in the Department of Art and Media Studies at NTNU.

<Dahlslett wrote, produced and directed the film. He was committed to creating authenticity in the film and recreating the time period in a credible manner. This led him to having the characters speak Old Norse (or Old Norwegian), which was the language of the Vikings.

<“I wanted the character portrayals to be as authentic as possible, not only in terms of props, but also language. I think the spirit of the Viking Age is more believable and alive when actors speak the language that the Vikings actually spoke, and the feeling of going back in time is stronger,” he says and adds, “As far as I know, this is the first Norwegian film that uses Old Norwegian all the way through.”

Liða skaltú ok deyja! - May you suffer and die!: https://archive.vn/yId10 / http://web.archive.org/web/20200423082759/https://norwegianscitechnews.com/2016/03/lida-skaltu-ok-deyja-may-you-suffer-and-die/

Trace - First Teaser (viking film): https://www.yewtu.be/watch?v=_K1GyQm0pf8

>>3331

What do you think the women got up to while the men were off raping and pillaging on foreign shores? C’mon, man!

>>3336

>What do you think the women got up to while the men were off raping and pillaging on foreign shores? C’mon, man!

>>3025

>Perhaps a distant relative of you, BO?

Quite possibly. No kidding.

>>3624

I haven't noticed it crashing but haven't been on much lately. 8kun never did seem to retain or regain 8chan's glory unfortunately. And now with Q BTFO the site has probably lost a huge chunk of users.