/ratanon/ - Rationalists Anonymous

>>9669

This sounded like a net benefit until the drugs (as least if you aren't diligent like gwern), the group house and the HRT. Infatuation with Peter Singer usually passes and your crossplay photos are only going to be a minor embarrassment. The image also portrays Tumblr-recruited rationalists in a positive light by suggesting they are no shallower than the old diaspora (reading whitepapers, etc.). Do many new rationalists really come from Tumblr, though?

>>9669

If you're scared of how easily you might turn out to be trans, or of what might "turn you" trans… congratulations, you're an egg! Your complimentary choker is in the mail.

>>9670

I am under the impression that Tumblr mostly produces rationalist-adjacents.

Indeed, how could anyone choose to use Tumblr and also claim to be rational? :^)

>>9671

How dare you make me look up the term "egg" with my own two keyboards

>>9671

sounds like someone needs to get redpilled about AGP

>>9673

>The Accelerated Graphics Port (AGP) is a high-speed point-to-point channel for attaching a video card to a computer system, primarily to assist in the acceleration of 3D computer graphics. It was originally designed as a successor to PCI-type connections for video cards. Since 2004, AGP has been progressively phased out in favor of PCI Express (PCIe); by mid-2008, PCI Express cards dominated the market and only a few AGP models were available.

>>9673

You don't have to dismiss your genderfeels as a sexual fetish. You deserve better.

>>9675

>t. Moloch

>>9675

But anon, it's not 'just a fetish'. It's a variant of a sexual orientation that commonly leads to dysphoria and a cross-sex gender identity, and a perfectly valid way of experiencing such that causes 80% of cases of transsexualism in individualist countries. The better that people deserve is understanding that they have AGP etiologies, accepting this as a valuable part of themselves, and raising awareness of this as a normal and acceptable thing.

"A woman shall not wear man’s clothing, nor shall a man put on a woman’s clothing; for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord your God."

>>9671

>want to be trans

>congrats, you're trans

>don't want to be trans

>congrats, you're trans

rly makes u think

>>9677

What practical difference does it make? Is the goal to discourage people from transitioning?

>>9675

>>9680

People are free to transition, and to also assert a right to be referred to as their chosen gender *after a good-faith effort at transitioning has been made*.

However, if a combination of

* sexual fetish

* desire for a "fresh start"

* "grass is greener" syndrome

* self-image problems

* other psychological eccentricities

are the root of the desire to transition, then it is

A COMPLETE, BLATANT, UNJUSTIFIED LIE

to assert that they "have always been women" or are "discovering their true gender" etc. etc.

>>9679

If you're cis and, on being posed the hypothetical situation where you suddenly turn trans and asked whether that's something you want, you say no, then you're cis.

If the prospect of turning out to be trans feels like a real risk for you, and you avoid certain activities because "oh no, that might turn me trans", then the most obvious reason for you to have that worry is that you're actually trans.

It's just like how if an evangelical Christian goes on about how he'd hate to be gay because he'd just never be able to stop having gay sex all the time, he's obviously gay - it's not a concern that would ever cross the mind of a straight person.

>>9681

Okay, I think I like this more than the status quo. When people in their 20s talk about getting a fresh start or overcoming depression as a reason they are transitioning it already sets off a big warning light in my mind. If your model is correct, it gives you something better to say to them than either "right, you were born this way" or "nope, you are deluded"

Uh … what's wrong with functional programming? I mean sure, don't go down the haskell or scala rabbit holes, but python and javascript have strong functional elements.

i'm happy that the transphobia waterline is being raised

>>9685

Do you mean there is less transphobia, more transphobia or higher quality transphobia?

>>9680

(>>9681 is not me, though there are few enough rationalist/rat-adjs who are Blanchardian/blan-adj for me to be able to tell who it is)

Honestly, behaviours that are labelled as 'discouraging people from transitioning' in specific subcultures like rationalism are not inherently a bad thing, because these specific subcultures already *encourage* a lot of people to transition in contexts where it is unlikely to be the best option for them. This is at least in part an emotional repulsion argument, because I fit enough egg traits that I might fall for the meme if things fell differently, and *I'm a trans man* – I already had that experiment, it was and is a horrible nightmare from which there is no escape, and the only thing I can see when watching people who are exactly like me but for natal sex transition is the same nightmare. This is not technically true, because Magical Innate Gender Identity does not exist and therefore the vast majority of the population can live about as happily no matter what sex they're a member of, but that doesn't exactly help the identity-trans argument any better – in fact, it completely invalidates everything they have, because every single one of their arguments is MIGI-based.

The practical difference is that if you get rid of MIGI, you see an *extremely* different trans landscape. This different trans landscape would definitely be better for HSTSes (although I might be generalizing my experiences too far there, because while I went through a lot of shit before realizing all the other trannies were fundamentally different to me I was also too autistic to understand it and the majority of non-autistic HSTSes pick up 'these people are completely unlike me' sometime in the first few months), and it would probably be better for A*Ps, in that the A*Ps I know who don't have BPD generally became more ego-syntonic and self-accepting after realizing what they were.

>>9687

Go ahead. Guess my identity. You don't actually know who I am.

>>9684

You'd be missing out to not try statically typed functional programming. There is no need to jump off the deep end (Haskell, Scala, Idris, etc.) for that since other options abound. Standard ML is one of the all-time greatest educational languages and its close relatives OCaml and F# are fine practical tools, if a bit uglier. If you end up hating their syntax, try https://facebook.github.io/reason/. For front end web development there is Elm, which is super simple and, like Haskell and unlike the SML/OCaml/F#, purely functional.

The main downside is that if you spend enough time with these languages you will find yourself forevermore missing their features in others.

>>9688

Okay then, there are four of us rather than three.

>>9686

The latter two.

>>9690

Now I want to know who you are.

>>9690

>>9692

Get a room!

>>9692

'HSTS trans man', 'A*P', and 'MIGI' probably should have given it away. Though Kay Brown endorsed using 'A*P', so that's almost mainstream Blanchardianism now.

>>9682

Not the poster you're replying to, but is this true? One way I can imagine it not being true is if there is a gender identity counterpart to "prison gay" where prison = tumblr. (I realize this sounds trollish but it's something I'm seriously considering.) Or the gender counterpart to bisexuality. A genuinely bisexual person, for example, may purposefully avoid situations that could lead to sex with men/women.

>>9694

>mainstream Blanchardianism

>>9682

>If you're cis and, on being posed the hypothetical situation where you suddenly turn trans and asked whether that's something you want, you say no, then you're cis.

False as written. I have two legs, but if posed the hypothetical situation where I suddenly lost a leg asked whether that's something I wanted to happen to me, I would say no. This is because I don't want to become handicapped.

Regardless, I agree that it's extremely unlikely that genuine transgenderism is memetically communicable.

>>9684

Nothing, it's just something people talk about on rattumb.

>>9694

>A*P

Disgusting. Should be "A?P". Learn some actual fucking globbing operators, don't just rely on the one guy who knew enough to coin "trans*".

>>9687

Hey there friend, consider using a couple more linebreaks in your writing. Remember, if you aren't going to indent the first sentence of a paragraph, you should include TWO linebreaks after your previous paragraph, which is to say that you should hit enter twice. Don't worry about wasting space; this is the internet! We have all the space in the world!

Also, you did a good job expanding Magical Innate Gender Identity before you used it as an acronym, but you didn't do it for HomoSexual TransSexual, Auto*Philic, or Borderline Personality Disorder, which would be confusing to most people, as most of those acronyms don't even follow regular acronym rules.

>>9691

Too much "boo transgender people", not enough "boo gender essentialism (the prevalent ontology of transgenderism among some people)" in the world today! Like most red-blooded american men, I find mtf trandgenders disgusting, but some people go so far as to kill them, which is TOO far.

Also I mostly find mtf trandgenders disgusting for what I consider contingent reasons; not the part where they are uncomfortable with their bodies and feel the need to have certain surgeries and procedures– I empathize as I am deeply uncomfortable with everything, all the time– but rather for the reason that they… what's the word nowadays, "LARP"?… they LARP as women and wear dresses and go by "she" and shit. I regard this as disgusting, a violation of valuable norms, and probably the product of a flawed ontology.

So what I'm saying is that this is probably an entirely resolvable problem on all sides, with no hate applied.

Ah, one last thought I forgot to include in my last three posts:

I think it's possible that the transgender concentration in rat-adj-tumb is an instance of evaporation cooling. You have a group. Some transgenders join the group. Anyone super-repulsed by transgenders leaves. But most of them were mostly jerks anyway. Anyhow, you still have a group that's amenable to transgender, so more transgenders join. After a while, you start having nonsense like the "transgender catgirls" meme, and even more cisgenders decide that it isn't their scene and leave. And then… well, the effect can't go that far, as there are only so many transgenders in the world. So maybe it stops.

Of course, we have to consider that ozymandias271 was basically the genesis of rat-adj-tumb, so a high transgender concentration should be expected, along with poor ontology and lack of rationalist skills. And you could make up your own story about any group like the one I described, like s/transgenders/neoreactionaries/g. And, of course, there isn't ONE rat-adj-tumb, you can just block people you don't like, silently condemning them to their own bubble.

>>9700

>transgender catgirls

What is that? I am not up to date on rationalist memes. Does it have something to do with Eliezer's catgirls?

>>9698

Apologies for acronym failure, I keep forgetting this isn't *everyone's* obsessive autist interest.

>>9700

What if 'transgender' and 'cisgender' are not actually distinct categories? The argument that they *are* is MIGI, and the logical conclusion from 'transsexualism is secondary to either an extreme presentation of cissexual homosexuality or an erotic target location error' is that a lot of apparently-cis people would be trans under slightly different circumstances, and to some degree vice versa. The 'egg' meme regarding 'repressed trans women' is wrong because there's no such thing as a repressed trans woman.

Also, the real reason for A*P overrepresentation amongst rationalists (which is not exactly the same thing as trans overrepresentation) is that A*P is associated with higher IQ *and* neurodivergence.

>>9702

Are rationalists really that neurodivergent? And does the "not geek, not autism" thing that Ozy named count as neurodivergence?

>>9701

Completely unrelated and annoyingly ambiguatory, in fact! It's just the concept that transwoman are, like, anime catgirls. That's it. It's not a rationalist meme, just a rat-adj-tumb meme, and more specifically a trans-rat-adj-tumb meme.

It's a shame, because I *liked* catgirls.

>>9702

My working ontology of gender (by which I mean biological sex, just to be clear) is that everyone is cisgender unless they have the disease transgenderism, which results in the symptom gender dysphoria. There are some things that look like kind of like transgenderism but are not, like A?P, crossdressing, being incredibly gay, or Taking the wrong gender ontology Seriously. I don't think these things are what's actually transgenderism, because I have met transgenders who do not have these other conditions AFAICT.

(Some people enjoy acting out their gender roles, and some people do not, and the latter group is what Scott Alexander calls "cis-by-default" despite this having very little to do with cisgenderism.)

So, since my ontology is– as all layman's ontologies should strive to be– agnostic on the causes of transgenderism, I can also afford to be agnostic about if there's a "neurogender" whereby transgenders' brains more resemble the opposite sex's than their own. And to take a detour here to address >>9681, because of another point in my ontology of gender I don't think transgenders go from one gender to "the gender they were all along", because gender (by which, again, just to be clear, I mean biological sex) is a property of the body you had all along. Also because the technology isn't good enough yet they don't actually change gender after transitioning. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

To mop up another loose end here because I'm basically detailing my entire ontology at this point, when I boo gender essentialism I'm booing the concept that you have to be a woman to like gardening or having sex with men or whatever. Gender essentialism is a common mistake in other ontologies, and a reason why some one Taking a different ontology Seriously might mistakenly conclude they are transgender, or agender, or other made-up words.

I'm pretty sure that one of the things I described above, either neurogender or gender essentialism, maps to Magical Innate Gender Identity, so now you know how I feel about it, as well as everything else.

>A*P is associated with higher IQ

That's what they say. Not sure if I believe it, myself, but I haven't looked into it.

What does A*P mean?

>>9695

>Not the poster you're replying to, but is this true? One way I can imagine it not being true is if there is a gender identity counterpart to "prison gay" where prison = tumblr.

This is obviously true.

>>9705

I think it means autogynephilia.

>>9705

Catchall for autogynephilia/autoandrophilia. Traditionally the general population prevalence of each is estimated around 4%/0.5%, but the real data looks more like 13%/8% (although the real data is preliminary).

>>9703

>Are rationalists really that neurodivergent?

Yes.

>And does the "not geek, not autism" thing that Ozy named count as neurodivergence?

The fact that 'not geek, not autism' has been renamed 'plasticbrains' and labelled as a specifically trans neurotype should say something about how ND both trans people and rationalists are. And yes. There isn't really a way you can construct 'not autism' as, well, not autism – Ozy's arguments that it isn't are mostly based around the fact that a lot of autistic people aren't like that, which is not the same as 'there are people like that who aren't autistic'.

>>9704

>everyone is cisgender unless they have the disease transgenderism, which results in the symptom gender dysphoria. There are some things that look like kind of like transgenderism but are not, like A?P, crossdressing, being incredibly gay, or Taking the wrong gender ontology Seriously

But anon, we're not talking about what transsexualism is, we're talking about what causes it. The cause, under Blanchardianism, is 'neurological shift towards opposite sex caused by a similar underlying mechanism to homosexuality' (~20%) or 'erotic target location error' (~80%). The vast majority of 'trans people who are neither' are just the second, though you get a few weird edge cases (e.g. Alison/sinesalvatorem, while clearly the second, is an unusual example of the second who has many of the gender-non-conforming traits of the HSTS cluster).

>cis-by-default

Ozy named cis-by-default, not Scott, but while I agree that 'cis-by-default' is a misunderstanding of how gender works for most people it isn't a gender role phenomenon. 'Cis-by-default' is the result of trans people typical-minding and assuming everyone else has strong gender identities like they do, and being surprised when it turns out that cis people who have never really needed to think about their gender identities don't. (This ties in with MIGI, in that a large portion of the trans population genuinely believes everyone has a coded gender-identity part of the brain that they start feeling strongly at some point.)

>I can also afford to be agnostic about if there's a "neurogender" whereby transgenders' brains more resemble the opposite sex's than their own

But you don't need to be agnostic on this, because we know the answer! HSTSes do, A*Ps don't.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-016-0768-5

>Also because the technology isn't good enough yet they don't actually change gender after transitioning

What would you define as 'good enough technology'?

>To mop up another loose end here because I'm basically detailing my entire ontology at this point, when I boo gender essentialism I'm booing the concept that you have to be a woman to like gardening or having sex with men or whatever

Yeah, most trans people at least give lip service to that.

>neurogender

Is the one that maps to MIGI, sort of. You get a lot of MIGI-believers who aren't interested in brain sex research, which is a little hard to figure out.

>Not sure if I believe it, myself, but I haven't looked into it

Smith (2005) found average IQ in the 120-125 range for trans people who are attracted to the opposite natal sex (= A*Ps).

I'll use this opportunity to ask an earnest question about the usual butts of Tumblr jokes. I sense this thread may be one of the best places on the Internet to do it.

How real and serious are the following identities (ordered by my own priors)?

* Asexuals

* Multiple systems

* Otherkin

* Transethincs

Steelmen versions of their beliefs are absolutely welcome, but should be indicated as such.

>>9709

>Asexuals

Probably the least 'real', funnily enough. In particular, most people who experience romantic attraction but identify as asexual seem to just have sex drive-related disorders.

>Multiple systems

Are 'real'; whether it's a mental illness or a variant of normal experience depends on where you draw category borders, but given the general anti-integration position of multiples and the existence of many ego-syntonic functional multiple systems, the latter is probably closer to the truth.

>Otherkin

'Real', have multiple etiologies. A lot are in fact zoophiles with erotic target location errors (see the substantial overlap with A*P transsexualism). Others just have weird spiritualities.

>Transethnics

'Real', are people with erotic target location errors who are strongly attracted to another race (see A*P transsexualism overlap).

>>9710

I don't think you have a firm grip on what "real" implies.

>>9709

Asexuals are real, as they're just people who don't enjoy sex. All the other identities listed either make unsupportable claims ("I am a wolf") or don't make any real claims and thus are children playing pretend.

>>9711

Actually, me from 10 hours ago, when people ask if something is real in this context, they're often asking if it's children playing pretend vs mental illness, which you did not address.

>>9712

is moot a pedophile with an erotic target location error?

>>9712

>>9711 isn't me (>>9709), if that's what you're thinking.

>>9708

>But you don't need to be agnostic on this, because we know the answer!

>implying that field has got enough of its shit together to find the answer to anything.

>>9709

Otherkin are real. It's not that weird. It's just an extended version of a fantasy. Furries really want to be an animal. Otherkin really *really* want to be an animal.

I know a fairly high-functioning (but still autistic) otherkin programmer.

>>9714

… No, I thought >>9711 was me, >>9712. When I addressed my past self, I was beeing literal.

I'm tired of people using sloppy science to "disprove" Blanchardianism. I should write a literature review.

I've also been thinking that perhaps the real redpill is that almost ALL psychiatric diagnoses are self-reinforcing bullshit (including transgenderism).

OCPD is a good counterexample to that theory. People who are diagnosed as having OCPD will frequently either reject their diagnosis, or accept it but continue to believe that their behaviour is 100% justified and it is everyone else who is morally backsliding and/or nuts. More broadly, psychiatry actually does pretty well these days. In general a good rule of thumb is the closer a diagnosis is to hard science with proof of efficacious treatment from meta-analyses of RCTs, the more likely it is to be legit, and the closer something is to Freudian psychotherapy, the more likely it is to be absolute bullshit.

>>9719

If you include schizophrenia in that category you've got some serious explaining to do.

>>9702

>Also, the real reason for A*P overrepresentation amongst rationalists (which is not exactly the same thing as trans overrepresentation) is that A*P is associated with higher IQ *and* neurodivergence.

Is there any evidence for an association of AAP with higher IQ? I've seen the study showing that with AGP, but not one for AAP.

>>9718

Ray Blanchard never met a crossdresser with a boyfriend.

>>9718

PLEASE DO

>>9719

No, the real redpill is that they're all self-reinforcing bullshit *except* GID. Get it right, anon.

>>9722

Same study that found IQ 122 average for AGPs found 124 average for AAPs.

>>9723

No, he met *lots* of crossdressers with boyfriends. It's called meta-attraction.

>>9724

But it's just so tiring.

It takes a tremendous amount of effort to become familiar with a field, figure out What is Going On, synthesize everything, *and then* refute bad papers in great detail.

The problem is that nobody actually reads good things, just like how nobody has made a single subject matter related comment on the recent thread on the structure of IQ/g, so it seems a little unrewarding.

Wherein a simple wholesome meme about the heartfelt aspirations of the rat-adjacent becomes the Zack M Davis appreciation blog and/or possibly just Zack M Davis' actual blog

>>9726

Davis and I run in pretty different typology circles. I'm the original halfchan shitposting Blanchardian, and the one who coined the term Blanchardian that Kay Brown appears to now think is an insult against us. (In her defence, the failed shibboleth version 'Blanchardist' is indeed an insult.) Davis thought *Ozy* coined it, when really I used it enough in their blog comments for them to start using it too, though I corrected him on that.

I should ask him exactly who that friend of the 'Social Justice Wizard' dude who knows me is. I tried to ask the actual dude on /tttt/ because he keeps shitposting all his bullshit articles, but he never got back to me.

>>9727

The fixation of the Social Justice Wizard guy is kind of odd.

Like, he seems to have allied a little too strongly with the radical feminists.

>>9726

I did link him this board; I don't think he posts here though (high confidence, but could be wrong).

>>9728

Any allyship with radical feminists is too strong an allyship, but other Blanchardians seem to have made the decision to have one. Which is odd, because the typology (or more accurately, things that are not part of the typology but only make sense when you conceptualize transsexualism and homosexuality the way Blanchard-Bailey-Lawrence do) proves that transitioning <18 (even <13) is perfectly safe and has no significant risk of desistence in HSTSes, while radfems spend all their time screeching about 'conversion therapy for gay children'.

>>9727

>Davis and I run in pretty different typology circles.

There's different typology circles??

>>9730

Sort of. There are two groups of people who advocate Blanchard's typology in 2017:

>people who came from anti-trans perspectives, congregate on Twitter and in blogs, are infinitely more interested in AGP than any other aspect of the typology, generally believe that large portions of people transitioning should not, ally with radfems, and take everything deathly seriously

>people who come from pro-trans perspectives (and have about a 100% rate of having transitioned themselves), hang around 4chan/Reddit/also blogs, are interested in less focused-on or noncentral parts of the typology (HSTSes of both type, AAPs, etc), hate radfems and would even ally with mainstream trannies over them, and shitpost constantly

You can mix traits of both, as in Brown. I sort of created the latter. Davis is the former.

>>9731

A note on saying Davis comes from an 'anti-trans' perspective – 'pro-trans' and 'anti-trans' are being used flexibly here (mainstream trannies think all Blanchardians are eeeeevil). The significant difference seems to be whether you yourself transitioned before you discovered the typology. There's a HSTS vs AGP factor going on here, in that HSTSes by definition transitioned long before they discovered and accepted Blanchard's work, while AGPs are somewhat likely to have found it while trying to convince themselves *not* to transition and with everything that implies.

>>9731

>>9732

You mean the 'pro-trans' 100% transition rate group are HSTSes and the 'anti-trans' more interested in AGP group are the AGPs themselves?

Why do AGPs like Davis remain associated with the anti-trans group when they aren't anti-trans themselves? For AGPs trying to convince themselves not to transition I can understand it, but that surely doesn't cover ones like Davis?

so who wants to write that lit review with me

I am increasingly convinced that the prevalence of trans and homosexuality and fetishes in these circles is not because we're fans of SF or so open-minded, but mutation load.

>>9733

There are AGPs in the 'pro-trans' Blanchardian cluster, but the 'anti-trans' ones are pretty universally AGP. Davis is…doing a very good job of making himself hard to stick labels on, which I admire, but posts like Smart show his hand enough to make it clear that he's closer to anti- than pro-, and the fact that people on this board have described his blog as 'being about how trans is bullshit' doesn't help. His hormones experiment is also five steps beyond 'playing with fire' and more like 'directly throwing yourself on a fire', but he still insists it isn't transitioning.

If I'm right about the identity of Social Justice Wizard (a dude /tttt/ calls 'TERF Jesus' due to his resemblance to the classical depiction of Jesus Christ), he is very firmly in the 'trying-not-to-transition AGP TERF-aligned' cluster.

>>9736

I could be wrong, but I think he's explicitly denied being the person depicted in the images that people post when they call him 'TERF Jesus' (for what that's worth).

I wonder if you've noticed the presence of an extremely annoying /tttt/ regular who seems to be fixated with anonymously posting terrible anti-Blanchardian arguments and calling people Trump supporters and Nazis. You can always tell it's them by their atrocious grammar.

Insofar as Davis is concerned, I would take his own behavior to be an accurate indication of whether or not he supports transition for AGPs, regardless of whether or not he calls his own transition a transition.

>>9737

(where the referent of the first 'he' is Social Justice Wizard)

>>9737

I recall SJWizard denying he's TERF Jesus. Suffice to say, I'm not convinced. There's only one person with that *exact* level of familiarity with RV-chan.

>I wonder if you've noticed the presence of an extremely annoying /tttt/ regular who seems to be fixated with anonymously posting terrible anti-Blanchardian arguments and calling people Trump supporters and Nazis. You can always tell it's them by their atrocious grammar.

Diseaseposter, or someone else? I've been less active on the board lately.

>regardless of whether or not he calls his own transition a transition

Due to being a typical-minding HSTS, I tend to only think of 'transition' as being when someone *socially* transitions. Davis is certainly hormonally transitioning, but he's convinced himself he can avoid the social aspect, and that's what he rails against AGPs doing. Dude's not going to pull that off. Having watched other anti-trans type Blanchardian 'eggs' hatch and immediately turn on their former belief system, I'm concerned about the implications of this.

Should a man with other options with a preference for not sticking his dick in crazy avoid dating the average 1. HSTS, 2. AGP, 3. AAP, or (4-6) 1-3, but rationalist?

>>9740

1. Half of them don't even like men.

2. Yes, depending on how emotionally supportive you're willing to be.

3. Yes, depending on your definition of 'crazy'.

4. See 1 and the other half aren't rationalists.

5. Yes, depending on how kinky you are.

6. Yes; your preferences are less valuable than studying such a rare entity.

>>9741

Did you mean to say yes to "avoid"?

>>9742

No.

>>9740

I'm assuming you're a straight man who's talking about passing trans women for the first two and nonbinary/non-passing/female-identified AAPs.

>HSTS

Are cis women with gender dysphoria.

>AGP

Are cis men with all the negatives of cis women, plus gender dysphoria.

>AAP

Are autistic cis women with gender dysphoria.

>HSTS rationalist

If she exists, she's stealth.

>AGP rationalist

I've always thought they're pretty cool people. Not many androphilic ones, though.

>AAP rationalist

Ozy's more focused on Topher these days.

>>9744

(describing someone as a cis man/cis woman is a note that the traits of each group tend to fall into the cluster associated with cis men/cis women, not any type of intentional misgendering, and only works on a group level – individual A*Ps can be massive outliers)

>>9744

>>9741

>implying Ozy is the only rat-adjacent AAP around

I know for fact this is not the case.

>>9744

>Not many androphilic ones, though.

I wonder why.

>>9725

>nobody has made a single subject matter related comment on the recent thread on the structure of IQ/g

But at least Gwern-senpai noticed OP.

>>9748

oh? what did he say?

>>9749

Something like "It's like I've been shitposting in my sleep". It was his first time looking at /ratanon/, too.

http://slatestarcodex.com/2017/08/27/ot83-slippery-slopen-thread/

>>9684

Yes… yes, it begins.

>>9680

People should be discouraged from transitioning. Not for spiritual conservative reasons, but because medical technology isn't at the stage where we can say that HRT isn't harmful in the long term, and there's no such thing as changing a penis into a real vagina. You'll spend the rest of your days keeping a wound from closing through extremely painful dilations, a wound that is nothing like a real natural vagina, and often grows pubic hair on the inside due to inverted scrotal tissue.

Transitioning simply doesn't work. You won't be any happy, and you will likely feel worse, which is why suicide rates are just as high for pre-op as post-op. Wait until medical tech gets so good we can grow real natural vaginas using stem cells.

>>9710

>Asexuals

>Probably the least 'real', funnily enough. In particular, most people who experience romantic attraction but identify as asexual seem to just have sex drive-related disorders.

Some people might have damage or lack of development in the areas of the brain that control sexual urges, so they've never felt anything sexual ever, but in a lot of the cases of this a better term would be Hyposexual. There is some awareness of sensuality, but they have a very very very low sex drive due to various disorders.

>>9684

Python and Javascript take a few useful functional programming features, but they're procedural at heart. Passing around functions as values is not enough.

It just occurred to me that the reason Scott doesn't link to hotelconcierge is probably because he's on friendly terms with Ozy, and concierge eviscerates her here: https://hotelconcierge.tumblr.com/post/116790700524/we-need-to-sing-about-mental-health

>>10388

You shouldn't think of transitioning as an all-or-nothing proposition. Pure social transition is one option, and having HRT without surgery is also very popular, or having top but not bottom surgery, or whatever.

>>13189

Pure physical transition >>> pure social transition. I would transition if I could look like a hot girl but still be a guy socially.

>>13190

In that case, I guess I'd like a way to physically transition from an ugly guy to a hot guy.

>>13191

I sexually identify as an alpha chad. Not letting me smash is a hate crime.

>>10388

> suicide rates are just as high for pre-op as post-op

* holds up a [needs citation] sign

I've seen the exact opposite asserted with citations.

>>10388

Who cares about changing penis into vagina? HRT gives you the *good* girl stuff, boobs, skin, face—if you can get all that and also a bonus dick then so much the better.

>>13188

This is a good post and Hotel Concierge is a good blog.

>>9744

> >HSTS rationalist

> If she exists, she's stealth.

sinesalvatorem is very not stealth

>>10388

> Wait until medical tech gets so good we can grow real natural vaginas using stem cells.

Yeah no I'm not waiting that long. I've already wasted way enough of the years I could have been fuckable if I'd had the gender characteristics that fit my natural psychology.

It is also absurdly obvious that it'll be possible to replace the neovaginas with the lab-grown ones. Do you even think brah?

> Transitioning simply doesn't work. You won't be any happy, and you will likely feel worse,

Empirically false, N = me. Being a trans woman makes me very happy and being a man only ever made me miserable.

> which is why suicide rates are just as high for pre-op as post-op.

The rate of regret for the op is like 2.2%, which I'd bet is lower than the rate of suicide.

> You'll spend the rest of your days keeping a wound from closing through extremely painful dilations, a wound that is nothing like a real natural vagina, and often grows pubic hair on the inside due to inverted scrotal tissue.

Depends on the op you get. Dilation is less of an issue, and hair growth a nonexistent one, if you get a colovaginoplasty. Hair growth is also a non-issue if you get them properly removed before SRS.

You ostensibly know enough to know that you're being dishonest and using arguments as soldiers right there, so : go read the sequences lol

>>13339

Some people regret it, but you appear to be talking to someone who doesn't. Not sure what you're trying to say.

>>13339

nice cherry-picked anecdotes you have there.

>>13339

>>13340

oh, i absolutely expect to regret it. for a few months, as a lot of others in the reference class do. But the like 2% rate of regret after a year or however long it was in that study i read is certainly more reliable than temporary anecdotes, selected as soldiers to support a one-sided point.

What does dysphoria feel like, and how is it distinctly different than the generalized pastiche of depression, anxiety and body dysmorphia-adj self loathing that everybody has in 2018?

>>13399

If you think everyone has a generalised pastiche of depression, anxiety and body dysmorphia-adjacent self loathing that you expect is hard to distinguish from gender dysphoria, have you considered that you're typical-minding and an egg?

>>13400

>that you expect is hard to distinguish from gender dysphoria

Have you considered answering his question instead of being presumptuous? How do you think your lived experience differs from general millennial anxiety-depression that you certainly see portrayed in media and in the people around you?

>>13401

based and charitypilled

>>13401

Well, I'm just butting in with that typical-minding comment, so personally my anxiety/depression doesn't have any of that body-dysmorphia adjacent self-loathing, I don't think it's central to the general millennial mood, and (in what's admittedly probably a display of typical-minding in my own case) I expect that you'd have to be something weird, like actually-a-trans-person, to have that tacked on and think it's an integral part of the package.

>>13399

Are you specifically talking about gender dysphoria? I'd think gender dysphoria has a much narrower focus than common background malaise. I don't really see how transitioning would seem like a solution otherwise.

If you're talking about dysphoria in general, then I'd think it's just a matter of degree, if that. That seems to be how it works for a lot of classification.

>>13399

>>13404

This is just what being an industrialized modern feels like.

>>9687

>Magical Innate Gender Identity does not exist

There are theorized sexuality dimorphic brain areas responsible for body image.

>>9721

somebody doesn't know about lapland huh

>>13405

Or having vastly lowered testosterone from the ancestral condition.

Which is probably part of being an industrialized modern I guess.

>>13399

Gosh, I do not miss 2018, the year when everyone regretted their body looking too much like their natal sex and not enough like the opposite sex.

>>14879

Large neural differences do not imply magical innate gender identity. Brains of men and women could be significantly different and nevertheless be able to live about as happily in either body and/or gender, with practical differences but no deep wrongness. You don't have to be a blank slatist for that.

Are they actually able to? No clue, but those studies don't look like a slam dunk to me.

>>9739

>Davis is certainly hormonally transitioning, but he's convinced himself he can avoid the social aspect, and that's what he rails against AGPs doing. Dude's not going to pull that off. Having watched other anti-trans type Blanchardian 'eggs' hatch and immediately turn on their former belief system, I'm concerned about the implications of this.

In the end: Davis suffered a mental breakdown, stopped taking hormones, didn't change belief system. The above prediction holds, but only as a conditional.

http://unremediatedgender.space/2017/Jun/memoirs-of-my-recent-madness-part-i-the-unanswerable-words/

http://unremediatedgender.space/2017/Sep/hormones-day-156-developments-doubts-and-pulling-the-plug-or-putting-the-cis-in-decision/