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File: bca9562ae0301cc⋯.png (143.7 KB,1280x1300,64:65,rattumb.png)

 No.9669 [View All]

rationalist tumblr gets rekt

67 posts omitted. Click [Open thread] to view. ____________________________
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 No.9737

>>9736

I could be wrong, but I think he's explicitly denied being the person depicted in the images that people post when they call him 'TERF Jesus' (for what that's worth).

I wonder if you've noticed the presence of an extremely annoying /tttt/ regular who seems to be fixated with anonymously posting terrible anti-Blanchardian arguments and calling people Trump supporters and Nazis. You can always tell it's them by their atrocious grammar.

Insofar as Davis is concerned, I would take his own behavior to be an accurate indication of whether or not he supports transition for AGPs, regardless of whether or not he calls his own transition a transition.

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 No.9738

>>9737

(where the referent of the first 'he' is Social Justice Wizard)

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 No.9739

>>9737

I recall SJWizard denying he's TERF Jesus. Suffice to say, I'm not convinced. There's only one person with that *exact* level of familiarity with RV-chan.

>I wonder if you've noticed the presence of an extremely annoying /tttt/ regular who seems to be fixated with anonymously posting terrible anti-Blanchardian arguments and calling people Trump supporters and Nazis. You can always tell it's them by their atrocious grammar.

Diseaseposter, or someone else? I've been less active on the board lately.

>regardless of whether or not he calls his own transition a transition

Due to being a typical-minding HSTS, I tend to only think of 'transition' as being when someone *socially* transitions. Davis is certainly hormonally transitioning, but he's convinced himself he can avoid the social aspect, and that's what he rails against AGPs doing. Dude's not going to pull that off. Having watched other anti-trans type Blanchardian 'eggs' hatch and immediately turn on their former belief system, I'm concerned about the implications of this.

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 No.9740

Should a man with other options with a preference for not sticking his dick in crazy avoid dating the average 1. HSTS, 2. AGP, 3. AAP, or (4-6) 1-3, but rationalist?

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 No.9741

>>9740

1. Half of them don't even like men.

2. Yes, depending on how emotionally supportive you're willing to be.

3. Yes, depending on your definition of 'crazy'.

4. See 1 and the other half aren't rationalists.

5. Yes, depending on how kinky you are.

6. Yes; your preferences are less valuable than studying such a rare entity.

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 No.9742

>>9741

Did you mean to say yes to "avoid"?

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 No.9743

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 No.9744

>>9740

I'm assuming you're a straight man who's talking about passing trans women for the first two and nonbinary/non-passing/female-identified AAPs.

>HSTS

Are cis women with gender dysphoria.

>AGP

Are cis men with all the negatives of cis women, plus gender dysphoria.

>AAP

Are autistic cis women with gender dysphoria.

>HSTS rationalist

If she exists, she's stealth.

>AGP rationalist

I've always thought they're pretty cool people. Not many androphilic ones, though.

>AAP rationalist

Ozy's more focused on Topher these days.

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 No.9745

>>9744

(describing someone as a cis man/cis woman is a note that the traits of each group tend to fall into the cluster associated with cis men/cis women, not any type of intentional misgendering, and only works on a group level – individual A*Ps can be massive outliers)

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 No.9746

>>9744

>>9741

>implying Ozy is the only rat-adjacent AAP around

I know for fact this is not the case.

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 No.9747

>>9744

>Not many androphilic ones, though.

I wonder why.

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 No.9748

>>9725

>nobody has made a single subject matter related comment on the recent thread on the structure of IQ/g

But at least Gwern-senpai noticed OP.

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 No.9749

>>9748

oh? what did he say?

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 No.9750

>>9749

Something like "It's like I've been shitposting in my sleep". It was his first time looking at /ratanon/, too.

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 No.10375

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 No.10386

>>9684

Yes… yes, it begins.

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 No.10388

>>9680

People should be discouraged from transitioning. Not for spiritual conservative reasons, but because medical technology isn't at the stage where we can say that HRT isn't harmful in the long term, and there's no such thing as changing a penis into a real vagina. You'll spend the rest of your days keeping a wound from closing through extremely painful dilations, a wound that is nothing like a real natural vagina, and often grows pubic hair on the inside due to inverted scrotal tissue.

Transitioning simply doesn't work. You won't be any happy, and you will likely feel worse, which is why suicide rates are just as high for pre-op as post-op. Wait until medical tech gets so good we can grow real natural vaginas using stem cells.

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 No.10389

>>9710

>Asexuals

>Probably the least 'real', funnily enough. In particular, most people who experience romantic attraction but identify as asexual seem to just have sex drive-related disorders.

Some people might have damage or lack of development in the areas of the brain that control sexual urges, so they've never felt anything sexual ever, but in a lot of the cases of this a better term would be Hyposexual. There is some awareness of sensuality, but they have a very very very low sex drive due to various disorders.

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 No.13156

>>9684

Python and Javascript take a few useful functional programming features, but they're procedural at heart. Passing around functions as values is not enough.

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 No.13188

It just occurred to me that the reason Scott doesn't link to hotelconcierge is probably because he's on friendly terms with Ozy, and concierge eviscerates her here: https://hotelconcierge.tumblr.com/post/116790700524/we-need-to-sing-about-mental-health

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 No.13189

>>10388

You shouldn't think of transitioning as an all-or-nothing proposition. Pure social transition is one option, and having HRT without surgery is also very popular, or having top but not bottom surgery, or whatever.

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 No.13190

>>13189

Pure physical transition >>> pure social transition. I would transition if I could look like a hot girl but still be a guy socially.

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 No.13191

>>13190

In that case, I guess I'd like a way to physically transition from an ugly guy to a hot guy.

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 No.13212

>>13191

I sexually identify as an alpha chad. Not letting me smash is a hate crime.

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 No.13222

>>10388

> suicide rates are just as high for pre-op as post-op

* holds up a [needs citation] sign

I've seen the exact opposite asserted with citations.

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 No.13223

>>10388

Who cares about changing penis into vagina? HRT gives you the *good* girl stuff, boobs, skin, face—if you can get all that and also a bonus dick then so much the better.

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 No.13234

>>13188

This is a good post and Hotel Concierge is a good blog.

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 No.13310

>>9744

> >HSTS rationalist

> If she exists, she's stealth.

sinesalvatorem is very not stealth

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 No.13313

>>10388

> Wait until medical tech gets so good we can grow real natural vaginas using stem cells.

Yeah no I'm not waiting that long. I've already wasted way enough of the years I could have been fuckable if I'd had the gender characteristics that fit my natural psychology.

It is also absurdly obvious that it'll be possible to replace the neovaginas with the lab-grown ones. Do you even think brah?

> Transitioning simply doesn't work. You won't be any happy, and you will likely feel worse,

Empirically false, N = me. Being a trans woman makes me very happy and being a man only ever made me miserable.

> which is why suicide rates are just as high for pre-op as post-op.

The rate of regret for the op is like 2.2%, which I'd bet is lower than the rate of suicide.

> You'll spend the rest of your days keeping a wound from closing through extremely painful dilations, a wound that is nothing like a real natural vagina, and often grows pubic hair on the inside due to inverted scrotal tissue.

Depends on the op you get. Dilation is less of an issue, and hair growth a nonexistent one, if you get a colovaginoplasty. Hair growth is also a non-issue if you get them properly removed before SRS.

You ostensibly know enough to know that you're being dishonest and using arguments as soldiers right there, so : go read the sequences lol

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 No.13315

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 No.13339

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 No.13340

>>13339

Some people regret it, but you appear to be talking to someone who doesn't. Not sure what you're trying to say.

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 No.13363

>>13339

nice cherry-picked anecdotes you have there.

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 No.13367

>>13339

>>13340

oh, i absolutely expect to regret it. for a few months, as a lot of others in the reference class do. But the like 2% rate of regret after a year or however long it was in that study i read is certainly more reliable than temporary anecdotes, selected as soldiers to support a one-sided point.

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 No.13399

What does dysphoria feel like, and how is it distinctly different than the generalized pastiche of depression, anxiety and body dysmorphia-adj self loathing that everybody has in 2018?

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 No.13400

>>13399

If you think everyone has a generalised pastiche of depression, anxiety and body dysmorphia-adjacent self loathing that you expect is hard to distinguish from gender dysphoria, have you considered that you're typical-minding and an egg?

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 No.13401

>>13400

>that you expect is hard to distinguish from gender dysphoria

Have you considered answering his question instead of being presumptuous? How do you think your lived experience differs from general millennial anxiety-depression that you certainly see portrayed in media and in the people around you?

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 No.13402

>>13401

based and charitypilled

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 No.13403

>>13401

Well, I'm just butting in with that typical-minding comment, so personally my anxiety/depression doesn't have any of that body-dysmorphia adjacent self-loathing, I don't think it's central to the general millennial mood, and (in what's admittedly probably a display of typical-minding in my own case) I expect that you'd have to be something weird, like actually-a-trans-person, to have that tacked on and think it's an integral part of the package.

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 No.13404

>>13399

Are you specifically talking about gender dysphoria? I'd think gender dysphoria has a much narrower focus than common background malaise. I don't really see how transitioning would seem like a solution otherwise.

If you're talking about dysphoria in general, then I'd think it's just a matter of degree, if that. That seems to be how it works for a lot of classification.

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 No.13405

>>13399

>>13404

This is just what being an industrialized modern feels like.

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 No.13406

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>>13405

That was supposed to be a pine tree emoji in the name.

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 No.14577

>>9687

>Magical Innate Gender Identity does not exist

There are theorized sexuality dimorphic brain areas responsible for body image.

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 No.14578

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Reposting the OP pic.

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 No.14731

>>9721

somebody doesn't know about lapland huh

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 No.14749

>>13405

Or having vastly lowered testosterone from the ancestral condition.

Which is probably part of being an industrialized modern I guess.

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 No.14750

>>13399

Gosh, I do not miss 2018, the year when everyone regretted their body looking too much like their natal sex and not enough like the opposite sex.

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 No.14879

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>>9687

>because Magical Innate Gender Identity does not exist and therefore the vast majority of the population can live about as happily no matter what sex they're a member of

Blank slatists are hilarious. Imagine a type of mind and strength of a meme bubble that have to exist to endure such belief, given personal experience with the ground truth of human condition.

Read these:

https://www.pnas.org/content/111/2/823

https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2008/06/13/0801566105

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 No.14881

>>14879

Large neural differences do not imply magical innate gender identity. Brains of men and women could be significantly different and nevertheless be able to live about as happily in either body and/or gender, with practical differences but no deep wrongness. You don't have to be a blank slatist for that.

Are they actually able to? No clue, but those studies don't look like a slam dunk to me.

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 No.14929

>>9739

>Davis is certainly hormonally transitioning, but he's convinced himself he can avoid the social aspect, and that's what he rails against AGPs doing. Dude's not going to pull that off. Having watched other anti-trans type Blanchardian 'eggs' hatch and immediately turn on their former belief system, I'm concerned about the implications of this.

In the end: Davis suffered a mental breakdown, stopped taking hormones, didn't change belief system. The above prediction holds, but only as a conditional.

http://unremediatedgender.space/2017/Jun/memoirs-of-my-recent-madness-part-i-the-unanswerable-words/

http://unremediatedgender.space/2017/Sep/hormones-day-156-developments-doubts-and-pulling-the-plug-or-putting-the-cis-in-decision/

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