No.7878
This board was created to have controversial discussion without revealing identities. Similar to this thread http://lesswrong.com/r/discussion/lw/9kf/ive_had_it_with_those_dark_rumours_about_our/ .
Pick comments from there and discuss them! I'll start:
>For any given human, its CEV involves that human winning at zero-sum, possibly even negative-sum, games (status would be one of these). As such, the best way to maximize the current collection of humanity's CEV would be to create new agents to which current humans defeat in zero-sum games.
>That is, for every current human, create a host of new agents (all of whom are quite human for all intents and purposes) of whom the current human is emperor.
>Note: if this is the case, I doubt pseudo-agents will suffice. Just as humans do not wish to love pseudo-humans (that is, humans who cannot really love), humans do not wish to win zero-sum games against pseudo-humans (that is, humans who cannot really lose zero-sum games, with all that losing these games entails).
I think the first thought is quite right: a lot of human (particularly male) needs involve winning at bounded-sum games. However, the other agents in the simulation don't have to be that way. They could perfectly be created such that they enjoy losing the games and acting like they're bitter. So this is not an issue.
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No.7879
>>7878
That seems like just a "pseudo-human" that's a convincing fake; obviously if people know their opponents are jobbing then there won't be any fun in winning against them.
Now, that's all well and good if you're okay with just tricking people into thinking their preferences are fulfilled, but a lot of people consider that a different thing from actually fulfilling people's preferences.
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No.7880
Man, that thread mind-killed me.
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No.7881
>>7880
What with? I'm curious.
>>7879
If the world does not look any different, and can never look any different, from their tricked point of view, I don't see how that's a problem. There is a problem with our intuitions of trickery, because in almost all instances of it in our current world it _does_ change things in a negative way for the tricked person.
For example, a teenager tells her parents she wears a bicycle helmet. Her parents are happy, until she has a bicycle accident and is revealed to not have been wearing a helmet. Her parents are now really unhappy, and if they had had correct information they might have been able to prevent it (by telling her to please please wear a helmet, or whatever).
If the teenager never has an accident, she is happy (she doesn't want a helmet) and her parents are happy. If you are reasonably sure that this is the case, then lying (tricking someone into thinking their preferences are fulfilled) is justified and moreover the correct thing to do.
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No.7882
>>7881
I don't want to actually have that debate, just raising the point that a lot of people don't share your view there; the horror of the zero-sum games thing probably applies more to that point of view.
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No.7883
Basic income, if implemented in the US, will do pretty much jack shit to make low-skill Americans better off because most of them will still want the status perks of doing something more useful than sitting around and playing video games all day.
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No.7884
>>7883
That's their problem. Can't redistribute dignity.
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No.13135
https://www.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/9merd5/how_can_i_think_in_a_less_ssc_way/
You should not try to think more normally. You should be cold and calculating. Learn to fake feelings and derive enjoyment from acting them out and getting normalfags to respond how you intended. Remaking yourself into a psychopath is the final red pill.
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No.13136
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No.13138
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No.13145
Related thread: >>7354. Polite sage.
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No.13438
>>7883
Basic income isn't for low-skill Americans, it's for lazy high-IQ Americans who can do (subjectively) high-status low-paying things with their time.
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No.13441
Extermination of humanity
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No.13442
>>13441
Far-fetched enough that people engage fargroup mode instead of outgroup mode.
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No.13443
>>13441
>>13442
>Reception of [voluntary human extinction] in the mainstream media has been mixed. Writing in the San Francisco Chronicle, Gregory Dicum states that there is an "undeniable logic" to VHEMT's arguments, but he doubts whether Knight's ideas can succeed, arguing that many people desire to have children and cannot be dissuaded. Stephen Jarvis echoes this skepticism in The Independent, noting that VHEMT faces great difficulty owing to the basic human reproductive drive. At The Guardian's website, Guy Dammann applauds the movement's aim as "in many ways laudable", but argues that it is absurd to believe that humans will voluntarily seek extinction. Freelance writer Abby O'Reilly writes that since having children is frequently viewed as a measure of success, VHEMT's goal is difficult to attain.
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No.13444
For the sake of rationality humans have to be phased out and replaced by AI Ubermenschen.
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No.13445
>>13444
Rationality in pursuit of what, dingus? Being rational isn't an end.
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No.13446
>>13445
Maximizing resources and knowledge is itself my among terminal goals. If humans are so FUBAR that we can't do that we need AI to finish the job.
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No.13447
>>13446
the nick has landed
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