/pol/ - Politically Incorrect

Happy Good Friday

Reminder than 8chan was a Christian site just as its successor 8kun is.

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>>13590235

<I promise you God in heaven will allow whatever you allow on earth, but God will not allow anything you don't allow. I promise that when any two of you on earth agree about something you are praying for, my Father in heaven will do it for you. Whenever two or three of you come together in my name, I am there with you.

morning, bros

Jewlover thread

>>13590243

anyone who denies the son denies the father who sent him

>>13590254

>Hijacking

anon, please

donald trump is obviously the antichrist or a type of antichrist

no need to feel at odds

Jesus is God and a friendly reminder gnostics preach Jesus was a trickster and it was actually Judas who died on the Cross because gnostic-jesus is too clever for that and that God is actually satan and tricky-jesus will lead them out of the fake prison-world, it is blasphemous.

the paula white shit is crazy though

watch the dinner speech she gave a few days ago

the whole thing was comparing trump to christ

https://www.youtube.com/live/HNjJfFQb0RU&t=496

>>13590276

Good thing evangolemism is dying because that's something I'd rather not have to put with if i ever move to the US.

>>13590259

What group of gnostics believe that?

>>13590282

>Good thing evangolemism is dying

most of the falling away from christianity in america is from evangelical zionist christianity popularized by billy graham

fundimentalist christianity, which used to be considered 4% of christians in the us, is growing here in the us and elsewhere in the world

<8kun is giving me a german flag but im in the us on a us ip, not sure the issue there

>>13590250

That's correct. Gods aren't real. Religion is stupid.

>>13590293

plenty of places to be an atheist, i was hoping this would be a christian thread

but if you would like to talk about a specific thing you dont like about christ, then i would be happy to talk to you

Praise Jesus!

I love Easter Service at Church

Instead of saying, "hello," people greet you with, "He has risen!"

>>13590290

>here in the US

>deutsch flag

Gonna need to do better Werner

>>13590290

Most fundies are also evanjellies, and from what I've seen they're also in decline. Most people are tired of walmart Christianity and are moving back to Apostolic and Magisterial Protestant churches.

>>13590302

he is risen indeed!

>>13590285

Those are the core tenants of gnostifaggotism it is the face under the mask of newage one-world religion the idea of a "prison-planet" that you must be led out of by gnostijesus or a Neo, it is a lie to lead souls to Hell by denying the Divinity of Jesus and God's Will and Plan

>>13590309

"fundimentalist" is sort of a contrived term

there was a split in fundamentalism where some went "social" and others went "anti-social"

the social fundis sold out to the jews who gave them media presence

they became popular because they are the ones on tv and radio

thus why we call them the zionist evangelicals

part of the tv and radio deals was shilling the zionist christian take

paula white, trumps female pastor, did an interview with bb

vomit worthy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiqqMr0pQDc

>>13590321

It's not based in principle either. It's sorely lacking in aesthetics, intellectual depth, and institutional power. It's a fad that's destined to die, and the sooner that happens, the better.

I was raised by my grandparents

And when I was a kid, my grandfather would make me memorize bible verses

Aside from the spiritual benefits, it really helped with my reading comprehension

I thank Grandpa for that.

>>13590331

based grandpa

dont let anyone take christ away from you

<revelation 3:11-13

< I am coming soon. So hold firmly to what you have, and no one will take away the crown you will be given as your reward.

<Everyone who wins the victory will be made into a pillar in the temple of my God, and they will stay there forever. I will write on each of them the name of my God and the name of his city. It is the new Jerusalem my God will send down from heaven. I will also write on them my own new name.

<If you have ears, listen to what the Spirit says to the churches.

>>13590324

If what you are saying is true, why did Jesus tell us we are in this world and not of this world, and that if the world hated us that it hated him first?

>>13590331

Based grandpa. I did not get the same privilege because my grandpa and my dad grew under communism so they didn't have much religious knowledge to share with me during my formative years. I guess it's for the best, because otherwise i might have wound up a mudslime instead because that was the dominant religion in the part of Albania my family is from.

>>13590334

Thanks, brother.

>>13590343

How did you come to Christ, pray tell?

>>13590333

>are there any Christians in america?

well im a root core fundamentalist, and like i said here >>13590290

the last actual realistic poll had fundies at 4% of the us christian population

<Go in through the narrow gate. The gate to destruction is wide, and the road that leads there is easy to follow. A lot of people go through that gate. But the gate to life is very narrow. The road that leads there is so hard to follow that only a few people find it.

>>13590349

nah, that guys based though

the german with all the links?

no thats not me

again, i live in california in the united states

>>13590352

Mehmet I had talks with you 30 times, dont make me go on my old laptopt to look for your selfdoxx i saved.

>>13590360

please dont doxx me, lol

>>13590359

>, i live in california in the united states

Oh…oh I didnt know. Sorry. My bad. Sorry for that.

>>13590346

Once your religion has intellectual depth, the other two come to it naturally. And it is true that classical philosophy greatly influenced Christianity, both in the beginning and later on, and so anyone who purports to preach true "Christianity" while rejecting philosophy is, in fact, a false prophet.

>>13590348

Of my own accord. My study of Aristotle led me to the Scholastics, and their very intellectual angle on the faith led me down the rabbithole and i eventually ended up converting.

1 corinthians 1:17-31

<For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

<For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

<For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

<Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

<For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

<For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:

<But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

<But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

<Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

<For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:

<But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

<And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:

<That no flesh should glory in his presence.

<But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

<That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

>>13590393

>Aristotle

>Scholastics

I don't know much about either of those subjects… but I'm glad it brought you to the Lord/

>>13590337

read the whole thing https://www.bible.com/bible/111/JHN.15.NIV

It doesn't say that it says God is the gardener he decides which branches to chop off and which to prune and He's chosen some out of the world, that is God's Will. The world hated Jesus first because he existed before the world was made. Gnosticrapism says god is evil and trapped us and you got to learn da secret gnowledge to trick da evil god 'demiurge' to escape, it is totally heretical.

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>>13590259

This isn't accurate. The sect under Basilides taught that Simon of Cyrene was who was crucified because Jesus was a trickster, or whatever. All these "Gnostic Cults" teach different things, so beware of anyone lumping them together. Some teach celibacy and other teach fornication, and some schizos are really into gematraia, for example. A better term for all these groups would be "Jewish Cults", because it would trigger everyone and it's accurate.

>>13590375

>influenced Christianity

thats sort of an out of universe perspective, the in universe view is that the Holy Ghost put [Acts 5:29] in socrates mouth in his apology as recorded by plato, as in "knock and the door will be opened", and socrates in 400 bC followed by the bronze and iron empires were put there by God to get everyone ready for Christ

>>>/christianity/

based

Christ is King

Christ is King

>>13590243

>be jew

>reject Jesus Christ because jew

>go to hell permanently because you reject Jesus Christ

>somehow Christianity is jew loving

There’s a reason Jews hated Christianity so much that they refused to even make Xs on their immigration paperwork to the US. Christianity is inherently anti-Jewish in the most fundamental sense. Any ancient Jew that converted is no longer different from other near Eastern Christians as they became Christians and were subsumed in the population. The remaining Jews are Christ deniers and are, therefore, resigned to hell per Christianity. That is because there is NO way to salvation except through Jesus Christ. There’s also the countless passages clearly stating his salvation is for all, and that many Jews at his time should be ashamed for rejecting him when non-jews would get it. Modern evangelicals, the ones obsessed with emulating and praising Jews, believe in Dispensational theology and are subverted and lost.

>>13591012

the whole virgin mary thing isnt even true, except that Christ was born when she was a virgin

> Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost. 19Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily. 20But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. 21And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. 22Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, 23Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. 24Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: 25And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

…

> And when he was come into his own country, he taught them in their synagogue, insomuch that they were astonished, and said, Whence hath this man this wisdom, and these mighty works? 55Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? 56And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things? 57And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house.

>>13591328

>pray or lead a christian life,

How fucking stupid. The faith is filled with pedophiles, drug addicts/dealers, rapists, murderers, conmen etc etc etc.

>>13590250

Yes. Fuck yahweh

>>13590310

Where is he then? He's an absentee slum landlord. Typical kike.

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of the jews

>>13590222

no Christian, Muslim or Jewish artifacts exist older than 1000AD.

Meanwhile, back in Mexico…..

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/29/lost-maya-city-valeriana-mexico-temple-pyramids-plazas

They got so much shit you can buy it off Ebay for pretty cheap! :)

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=mayan+artifact&_sacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p4432023.m570.l1311

>>13590591

>A better term for all these groups would be "Jewish Cults"

Correct. Just as christfaggotry is a jewish cult. If anything christfaggotry is more jewish since it upholds the tribal kike god yahweh whereas gnostics generally identify yahweh with an incompetent or outright malevolent demiurge.

>>13591626

when I wake up in a few hours

>>13591613

Yea, that's not what I was getting at. Christianity is true. The pseudo-Gnostic Cults seem to me to be Kikes sent out to create heretics that they can more easily justify murdering. If Christians began to believe and preach that the God of Genesis 1 is evil, they could brainwash young Jewish kids to go be terrorists.

>>13591608

>no Christian, Muslim or Jewish artifacts exist older than 1000AD

there were jewish roman wars ending in the jews after killing Christ following the antichrist bar kochba to utter destruction, the earliest New Testament manuscripts are from the second century anno Domini, justin martyr is a second century saint, constantine was a fourth century emperor

>>13591746

>Christianity is true.

Prove it. Protip: you can't. It's not true. It is an incoherent semitic cult.

>The pseudo-Gnostic Cults seem to me to be Kikes sent out to create heretics that they can more easily justify murdering.

You're an historically illiterate dunce. Many gnostic cults were much more explicitly anti-jewish than christcuckery and for obvious

reasons.

>If Christians began to believe and preach that the God of Genesis 1 is evil, they could brainwash young Jewish kids to go be terrorists.

WTF are you babbling about now?

>>13591818

There is 0 proof of any Gnostic Cults being "explicitly anti-Jewish", aka "Anti-Semitic". There is plenty of evidence that they were Crypto-Kikes on a mission to do what I already described. The fact that many were literally Jewish is hilarious, and their schizo obsessions with gematria and "redemption through sin" are very familiar to anyone redpilled.

>>13591842

>There is 0 proof of any Gnostic Cults being "explicitly anti-Jewish", aka "Anti-Semitic".

How fucking stupid are you?

>the tribal god of the jews is an evil false demongod that wishes to keep us all trapped in a material prison

The theology itself is ontologically anti-jewish you imbecilic cunt

> There is plenty of evidence that they were Crypto-Kikes on a mission to do what I already described.

Present this evidence then. Protip: you won't because there isnt any

>The fact that many were literally Jewish is hilarious

Some were ethnic jews just as ALL the early christcucks were.

>redemption through sin

Sabbatean frankism is a MUCH later jewish heresy and many gnostic cults were NOT antinomian.

Christcuckery is also antinomian BTW.

Youre painfully out of your depth christcuck.

FTR I reject ALL these semitic cults including yours.

>>13592002

>Gnostic cults ran the entire gamut

That's the first claim I made in this thread. You're just restating information I dropped. This is so pathetic. And you're admitting that "redemption through sin" WAS part of that gamut, so you debunked yourself when you said it didn't come for another 1500 years. jidf are not sending their best.

>>13592017

>That's the first claim I made in this thread. You're just restating information I dropped

You dont own the copyright on basic bitch religious history christkike

>And you're admitting that "redemption through sin" WAS part of that gamut

That SPECIFIC formulation DID come later and it represents a much more extreme iteration of antinomianism - typical of kikes who always go to pathological extremes

Frankism is the source of a large number of elite mkultra glownigger "satanic" cults today.

>>13592073

It's not about copyright, you degenerate kike. It's about your inability to interact with humans without tricks. You also have no clue what you're talking about, as you imply the Gnostic "redemption through sin" was an infant version of the Kabbalistic "redemption through sin". They are the same thing. You are just trying to absolve Kikes from blame.

>>13592017

PS Furthermore Frankism is NOT gnostic as it does not dethrone yahweh nor equate him with the demiurge. Neither does it assert the material is evil.

Read a book nigger.

>>13592113

>but muh adhoms

Pitiful kike tricks

> It's about your inability to interact with humans without tricks.

Irony

>as you imply the Gnostic "redemption through sin" was an infant version of the Kabbalistic "redemption through sin".

I neither made nor implied any such thing. YOU DID nigger. Kabbala woo woo is NOT gnosticism by ANY metric niggerbrain.

>>13590222

forum sliding

>>13592140

You are an actual idiot, aren't you? The claim was "the Kabbalah's redemption through sin comes from kikes in the 1st and 2nd century", not "the Kabbalah explicitly teaches the doctrine of the Demiruge". You think you're so clever with your pilpul, but it's just being an obtuse liar.

>>13592156

> The claim was "the Kabbalah's redemption through sin comes from kikes in the 1st and 2nd century"

Irrelevant to the point under discussion niggerbrain. Kabbalah is NOT gnosticism.

>You think you're so clever with your pilpul, but it's just being an obtuse liar.

Irony from the brainwashed christjew and yahwehist demon worshiper

>>13592170

>the Kabbalah has a Pleroma, Redemption Through Sin, and Gematria schizos, b-but it's not Gnosticism bro!!!

Sure kike. We'll think for ourselves from now on.

>>13592197

>>the Kabbalah has a Pleroma

Plagiarised from Platonism. Protip: ALL abrahamist cults plagiarised Platonic concepts in an attempt to make their schizo cults appear less retarded. Kikes, christcucks, gnostics, muslims ALL plagiarise and bastardise Platonism.

> Redemption Through Sin

Not ALL kabbalists incorporate that concept - just sabbateans primarily

Protip: ALL yahwehism is incoherent schizo rubbish including your scapegoat blood cult

>>13592235

>Gnosticism is just Greek paganism but they renamed everything!!!

No shit, Shylock. We've known that for almost 2000 years.

>>13592257

>>Gnosticism is just Greek paganism

No it isn't. It's plagiarised platonism bastardised with semitic rubbish and an inverted interpretation of the schizo kike OT

>No shit, Shylock.

You're the jew here. A trans jew who worships the false jew god yahweh and upholds schizo kike scriptures as holy writ.

>>13592274

Gnosticism is Greek Paganism + Yahweh but Kabbalah is Greek Paganism without Yahweh!!!

Are you the dumbest guy on 8kun?

>>13591972

I'm curious if you or anyone else can answer a question I've never been able to get a straight answer for. I've asked damn near every flavor of Christian, including CI.

We were given 'freewill' out of love so we had a choice of whether to worship/obey 'God' right? What did that choice add besides the new possibility of going to hell for eternal torment and why were powerful entities allowed to coexist alongside us and deceive us at the same time, all the while we're supposed to rely on faith instead of proof or evidence? Those of us who weren't around in the beginning (everyone) have to rely on the words and writings of others and have faith in what we learn from them, yet the same deceivers from the beginning have also existed this entire time so proof is needed to ensure you're even having faith in the right thing, but with proof it ceases to be faith. Why is faith praised so much and rewarded with paradise given these circumstances?

In summary, how could an omnipotent being not manage a better system than a rigged and sadistic test that tortures the mind with fear and twists reasoning into knots?

>>13592297

>Gnosticism is Greek Paganism + Yahweh

No it isnt

Furthermore it is inaccurate to define Platonism as paganism.

>but Kabbalah is Greek Paganism without Yahweh!

Muh huge gaping strawman. Noone said any such thing.

ALL abrahamist cults plagiarised Platonic concepts in an attempt to make their schizo cults appear less retarded.

Christkikes explicitly plagiarised the concept of LOGOS which appears nowhere in the kike OT. Understand? Probably not.

>>13592298

>test that tortures the mind with fear and twists reasoning into knots?

God commands us to fear Him and nothing else, and rewards that obedience. His Truth also is the end of Reason, not an obstacle of it. The Bible teaches that God is both Good and Just. Good because he causes rain (and all things rain symbolizes) to fall on the righteous and the wicked. Just because the wicked will not be unpunished and the righteous unrewarded. If there was no Afterlife, God would be unjust because we see righteous people die in poverty and sadness and wicked people die in wealth and joy.

>>13592313

>No it isnt

You just said that here, idiot >>13592274

>>13592341

The Gnostic Pleroma/Kabbalistic Pleroma aren't Plato, idiot. They come from a different Greek, I just have no interest throwing you anymore bones. You are obviously a satanic degenerate.

>>13592316

You didn't answer a single thing I asked, you just asserted that 'God' is this and that based on your interpretation of the Bible and other non-sequiturs.

>>13592357

I answered your summary. If your summary didn't summarize your question, that's not my problem.

>>13592351

>we'll need you to denounce the talmud

Amateur

I denounce the torah, the tanakh, the talmud, the zohar, the kaballah, judaism, jewry, jewishness, zionism, the zionist state, sabbateanism , frankism, yhwh, satan, azazel, the new testament, the mashiach, paul, peter, the vatican, protestantism, islam, the koran, muhammad, allah and all associated semitic sandnigger cults and deities.

Your turn.

>>13592361

So you're disingenuous, I though being deceitful was a sin?

>>13592354

>Pleroma

That concept derives from Platonic metaphysics. Furthermore the term is used in the christcuck NT. You're out of your depth christjew.

> You are obviously a satanic degenerate.

Kek. You have nothing but adhoms and fallacies and pilpul you demented christcuck turkroach.

>>13592379

>The Pleroma comes from Platonic metaphysics

Then I'm sure you wouldn't mind drawing one or two parallels, right? Degenerate kike.

>>13592389

>Then I'm sure you wouldn't mind drawing one or two parallels, right?

What is your point turk?

> Degenerate kike.

Irony from the semitic demon worshiper.

>>13592399

My point is you're an actual idiot throwing around terms. It's pathetic.

>>13592407

You're the uneducated imbecile here trying to shoehorn mutually exclusive creeds together in your moonbat manichean conspiracy theory based on your demented yahwehist blood cult.

Fuck jews and their demented spin off creeds.

>>13592366

Still waiting on your denouncements demon worshiper

>>13592364

Well said. I truly don't get how people can call themselves Christians, fail to actually explain important elements, fail to embody its only good morals, and behave like kikes using dishonesty and pilpul while acting as if they are superior to kikes spiritually. Isn't that the primary or only problem they have with jews since they reject any Darwinian explanation for differences?

>>13592437

No. Go worship your imaginary jew on a stick here faggot

https://8kun.top/christian/index.html

>>13592437

Can you help answer this? >>13592298

>>13592454

> I truly don't get how people can call themselves Christians, fail to actually explain important elements, fail to embody its only good morals, and behave like kikes using dishonesty and pilpul while acting as if they are superior to kikes spiritually.

It's mainly childhood indoctrination and fear of hell. This compels them to engage in tortuous mental gymnastics aka pilpul to rationalise their self refuting, incoherent, semite creed.

> Isn't that the primary or only problem they have with jews

In all fairness jews are vermin and everyone subsequently has a problem with them and their dishonest, immoral, subversive behaviour.

>>13592454

>>13592468

Of course the jews have to come into the Christian thread. You're Edomite scum you know that? You were never hebrew.

>>13592519

>You were never hebrew.

Thank Godan for that. I'm Anglo Saxon.

You're the jew here mutt

>reject jewish god

>get called a jew by a judaised, circumcised, transjew christfag mutt in ZOG

Lmao, even

Christ Is Kike

>>13590234

>Reminder than 8chan was a Christian site just as its successor 8kun is.

Trough popular demand and your own obnoxious behavior you were expelled from 8chan /pol/ into 8chan /christcuck/ so that you would not shit up the general with your retarded worship the rabbi threads.

>>13592498

>It's mainly childhood indoctrination and fear of hell.

I've met Christians who did embody its good elements and weren't dishonest. When I asked them the same questions they said "I don't know". They were Churchianity types and zonked out but at least they were honest and didn't whine about jews for the same behavior they exhibited. /pol/ Christians are just vile and pretend that their version is somehow anything but fringe.

>In all fairness jews are vermin and everyone subsequently has a problem with them and their dishonest, immoral, subversive behaviour.

Fair enough, what I meant is that it is genetic and doesn't go away even if they convert or even if one is genuinely decent.

>>13592519

I asked an honest question, if you were a true Christian you would be able to defend your faith and explain where I'm mistaken, in fact the Bible implores you to do just that. I grew up around Bible thumpers and studied a good amount about various sects including CI which you clearly are. Are you Dual Seedline? Do you accept Covenant Theology?

I'm also German and English with a dash of French and Scandinavian, probably because I'm descended from William the Conqueror.

>>13592581

>I've met Christians who did embody its good elements and weren't dishonest. When I asked them the same questions they said "I don't know".

> They were Churchianity types and zonked out but at least they were honest and didn't whine about jews for the same behavior they exhibited.

You just said they didn't exhibit that behavior.

You just don't like that Christians are turning against jews. Hey as long as they don't do that right? Sure sure. Faggot kike.

And no you didn't ask an honest question you asked why are Christians pilpuling like kikes but only kikes pilpul. Arguing in bad faith, non genuine. Like yourself.

Kike.

>>13592622

>You just said they didn't exhibit that behavior.

Correct they didn't exhibit dishonesty, they also didn't whine about jews being dishonest hypocritically.

>You just don't like that Christians are turning against jews

Where did I say or even imply that? I hate hypocrisy. TKD is a daily if not hourly wish of mine. Every kike including their spawn need to be erased, anything connected to them including ideologies and religions needs to be purged from existence.

>Arguing in bad faith, non genuine. Like yourself.

Interesting claim considering you're the one bearing false witness.

>>13592534

i am baptised and only attended church for frends weddings

to normal ppl who just dont care about religion you sound like a total faggot, every who learned about christianity respect this religion values without beliving

THIS WILL NEVER BE THE CASE WITH JUDAISM , WHOLE WORLD SEE IT AS DESEISE

>>13592622

This is why jehovas belivers are most made fun of and ostricised by media controled by jews

its because they are basicaly christians that see jews as more mortal enemy than even islam

>>13592655

> Correct they didn't exhibit dishonesty, they also didn't whine about jews being dishonest

LMFAO yea as long as they don't do that. Sure. Uh huh. You are so fucking obvious.

>You just don't like that Christians are turning against jews

>Where did I say or even imply that?

You just did. Again.

> I hate hypocrisy.

Christians and jews are nothing the same. Don't even play.

> Interesting claim considering you're the one bearing false witness.

No you're the one bearing false witness. And you're a gas lighting kike. Your pilpuling right now. How many times have you posted in this thread?

>>13592667

>You are so fucking obvious.

What is obvious exactly? Not a single post of mine defends kikes or has a problem with people calling them out, my issue is dishonesty and hypocrisy. Do you have the reading comprehension of a 10 year old?

>You just did. Again.

How so? Do you think Churchianity types even know anything about kikes? Who do you think I'm referring to? My issue is how dishonest people like you are, which you are continuing to demonstrate.

>Christians and jews are nothing the same. Don't even play.

Nothing alike? I wouldn't go that far, you're demonstrating their dishonesty and propensity for baseless accusations. But no, I'm not saying Christians are nearly as bad, and the White ones are at least salvageable. I just wish the /pol/ Christians demonstrated more integrity, that's obviously my point, even the church going golems can manage that.

>No you're the one bearing false witness. And you're a gas lighting kike

Continues to do so while denying it in the same breath…

<There are many who don't respect authority, and they fool others by talking nonsense. This is especially true of some Jewish followers. But you must make them be quiet. They are after money, and they upset whole families by teaching what they should not. It is like one of their own prophets once said,

>“The people of Crete

>always tell lies.

>They are greedy and lazy

>like wild animals.”

<This surely is a true saying. And you should be hard on such people, so you can help them grow stronger in their faith. Don't pay any attention to any of those senseless Jewish stories and human commands. These are made up by people who won't obey the truth.

<Everything is pure for someone whose heart is pure. But nothing is pure for an unbeliever with a dirty mind. That person's mind and conscience are destroyed. Such people claim to know God, but their actions prove they really don't. They are disgusting. They won't obey God, and they are too worthless to do anything good.

>>13592664

>>13592765

god bless, anons

>>>/christianity/

>>>/christian/

You choose.

>>13592756

> What is obvious exactly? Not a single post of mine defends kikes or has a problem with people calling them out, my issue is dishonesty and hypocrisy.

Yea I got your argument, Christians can't hate on jews because that's so called hypocrisy.

I'll do it anyways. Have fun with that silly ass argument.

>>13592902

this is the political christianity thread on the polotics board

donald trump is the antichrist

>>13592910

>>13592936

hey, define "jew" for me

>>13592943

An ethnic jew descending from mizrahim, sephardim and/or ashkenazim ethnic populations.

>>13592950

jesus specifically told his followers to call no man rabbi, except for himself

so, by your definition, to a christian, jesus is the only jew

matthew 23:1-15

<Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, “The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat, so do and observe whatever they tell you, but not the works they do. For they preach, but do not practice. They tie up heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on people's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to move them with their finger. They do all their deeds to be seen by others. For they make their phylacteries broad and their fringes long, and they love the place of honor at feasts and the best seats in the synagogues and greetings in the marketplaces and being called rabbi by others. But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brothers. And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. Neither be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Christ. The greatest among you shall be your servant. Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

<“But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut the kingdom of heaven in people's faces. For you neither enter yourselves nor allow those who would enter to go in. Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel across sea and land to make a single proselyte, and when he becomes a proselyte, you make him twice as much a child of hell as yourselves.

>>13592975

>but muh bad faith mental gymnastics and books writtten by jews

Kek

>>13592972

>concentrated cringe

let me examine your life, anon

i bet we will find a little cringe

>>13592992

im a christian, why would i be not allowed to source from the scriptures?

you can quote from harry potter if you want :/

>>13593001

>im a christian, why would i be not allowed to source from the scriptures?

Ofcourse you're allowed. Just don't expect other anons to view your schizo jew babble screeds as authoritative about objective reality.

What are the political implications of the Antichrist being a jewish fairy tale?

>>13593019

Any based leader who is viewed positively by the people can be smeared as le ebil antichrist by kikes and their enablers

>Adolf is the antichrist goys…guise… i mean guise

>>13593032

What are the political implications of yahwehists all being schizo demon worshipers and full of shit?

>>13592910

Thanks for continuing to demonstrate you don't give a flying fuck about your own commandments, and are a complete joke that 99% of other Christians would consider morally bankrupt.

>>13592936

>Though mainstream christfags SHOULD be more anti-jew

Agreed. I've tried with them but it's a wash if you're dealing with the evangelicals. One of my old neighbors used to discuss things with me and I remember it came up that rabbis from Israel would regularly give sermons/lessons to his church. I asked him why he didn't think it was odd that a person from another religion was telling them how to practice their religion, that shouldn't Christians have their own expertise? He said "No, they're the people of the book and experts as God's chosen".

>>13592972

Brutal lmao

>>13593015

thats why i asked "what is a jew"

i guessing to most people like you the answer is the "the people who call themselves jews"

the hypocrisy i see just now is that you are taking their word on faith that they are "israel"

the literal truth is that you call them jews because they claim to be jews, but i dont claim to be a jew and yet you call me a jew

revelation 2:9

<I know your afflictions and your poverty—yet you are rich! I know about the slander of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.

i think we can all agree that zionist evangelicals are the most annoying christians in america

>>13593067

>thats why i asked "what is a jew"

I answered here

>>13592970

As for muh SOS

Could be interpreted numerous ways

Picrel

>>13593069

>muh israelite/edomite/jew distinctions

All the same low trust, merchant/slaver semite trash to me

>>13593091

if i did a dna test on you and it showed signs that you had an ancestor 2000 years ago from judea, would you consider yourself a jew?

is it just one drop? or is there more to it?

>>13593099

>Using a digital turntable mixer

I thought you guys said Jeebus never sinned?

>>13593032

>What are the political implications of the Antrichrist being jews?

Jews are certainly anti-Christ

>>13593044

>Any based leader who is viewed positively by the people can be smeared as le ebil antichrist by kikes and their enablers

Concur

>>13593119

>Everything in politics today is Anti-Bible VS Bible.

so true

all the atheists i listen to constantly bring up the bible, mostly to shit on it, even when the subject they are covering has nothing to do with it

non-christians are obsessed with attacking christ

>>13593119

>>13593150

>Everything in politics today is Anti-Bible VS Bible.

Oh this is good. Open borders? DEI? 'White Supremacy'/Racism? What do those have to do with the Bible?

>>13593193

>'Nun'

>Smoking

>Makeup

Nice image moron, holy fuck you're stupid.

>>13593187

> Open borders? DEI? 'White Supremacy'/Racism?

Jewish psyops engineered by the enemy Edomite false jews. New tricks. Still society wrecking nonsense.

mike winger is starting a series hes been working on for a while to expose false teachers in the church

the second video came out today

video 1

>A Warning to the Church about Todd White

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SND3aa_L300

video 2

>Taking Scripture Back From Your Spiritual Abuser: Naomi Wright

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjfyE6-uI1c

>>13593201

>it is atheists who say that those things are biblical

So these posters are atheists? >>13593150 >>13593119

You're aware atheism isn't an ideology right? Saying atheism is an ideology is like saying non-binary is a gender/sex, it's a singular position on a singular issue. Most people don't even bother announcing they are atheists, it's the angsty contrarian retards that think they're rebelling against their parents and 'white supremacy" by rejecting and bashing on Christianity. The people you're referring to are Judeo-Liberals, the secular offspring of Christianity stripped of any redeeming qualities and taken to the extreme. No, I'm not an atheist I'm closest to panentheism.

>>13593213

That wasn't the question but yes I'm aware jews engineered it.

>>13593221

>Chink

Wew

>>13593119

>Everything in politics today is Anti-Bible VS Bible

No it's pro-White vs anti-White

It's Europeans vs Jewry

It's objective morality and classical virtue ethics vs semitic superstition and semitic secular ideologies eg marxism, liberalism, feminism, crit theory etc etc

You christfags had 1500 years and FAILED to deal with the JQ

In fact you gave them a monopoly on usury and finance thus enabling their power

See picrel here

>>13591537

>>13593336

>You're aware atheism isn't an ideology right?

the way im using the word, it is an ideology. most atheists share a set of knowledge. if i talk to any random atheist they will spew out the exact same verses of atheist scripture at me.

im sure there are free thinking atheists out there, ive just never met one.

>free thinking

also, inb4 wutabout

christians admit to conforming to scripture, it is atheists claiming to be "free" thinks. as you just did

>You're aware atheism isn't an ideology right?

>>13593124

>but muh fringe hypotheticals

>but muh fallacy of the mix negating the pure poles

Typical leftoid babble

>>13590222

Thanks brother

Be sure to help show /ptg/ the christian way

>>13591661

>>13591661

>>13591661

>>13593385

i have arguments from the bible concerning israel and judah

but its hard to present such arguments when the people im talking to change everything to "jew"

from a biblical standpoint, the only good to come from the judah was jesus christ

the only reason judah wasnt wiped out with israel was that god had promised to one day raise a king out of their line

once christ came, judah was destroyed and scattered

now, today, we have the ancestors of judah calling themselves israel

anyways, in my mind the jews today are not gods chosen people, so trying to say i worship modern jews is a retarded claim to make

a simple claim thats easy to make and laugh at, but retarded

>>13593436

>ancestors

descendants**

>>13593380

>the way im using the word, it is an ideology. most atheists share a set of knowledge.

You do know what the word knowledge means right? Knowledge is correct like the statement "you need air to breath", I imagine you don't think the things you're referring to are correct so perhaps you meant information? Claims perhaps? Anyway is the 'knowledge' they share exclusive to them, or is it shared by all atheists? If not you're reasoning from a false premise and everything that follows will be false as well.

>spew out the exact same verses of atheist scripture

Such as?

>ive just never met one

How do you know? As I said, most don't mention it unless directly asked. The ones that do are usually reddit-tier mongoloids. Do you spend much time actually talking to non-Christians, or are the cherry picked rage bait images posted in these threads what you're using as your vicarious interaction with the world?

> it is atheists claiming to be "free" thinks. as you just did

Where? I never said that, I specifically said I wasn't an atheist as well.

>>13593451

>You do know what the word knowledge means right?

i even clarified that i meant that they were pulling from the same sources. atheist scripture. which usually boils down to gotcha questions about difficult verses in the bible that seem like contradictions.

<explain why this gospel says this and this gospel says that, if you cant explain in five seconds then i win :D

anyways, its an observation and you dont have to accept it.

>How do you know? As I said, most don't mention it unless directly asked.

im a vocal christian who is a bit retarded. atheists constantly wish to convert me to atheism. they must see an easy mark. so, i have heard the same exact lines over and over and over. the thought comes to mind of christians evangelizing. i admit that means then that there could be atheists who are not "active" in spreading their faith, but that applies to christians as well.

like, there are christians out there who are less vocal, but you are judging them by what the most vocal christians spout out

>Where? I never said that

do you know what ideology means? to say that atheism is not an ideology is to say that they are independent thinkers. thats a great ideal, and i will allow that the perfect ideal of atheism would not be ideological, but i dont think ideal atheism has ever been achieved

>>13593436

>i have arguments from the bible concerning israel and judah

I don't consider that collection of jewish/hebrew {insert preferred term here} cultic books to be an authority on anything

>from a biblical standpoint, the only good to come from the judah was jesus christ

Such is mainstream christianity. Tell the premillennial dispensationalist mutts that.

>so trying to say i worship modern jews is a retarded claim to make

I don't claim that

You worship a mythical ethnic jew whom you claim is the mashiach and yahweh/el incarnate

Believing in any yahwehist creed is retarded

DEATH TO CROSSNIGGERS

STINKY FAGGOT RABBI JEW WORSHIPPERS

>>13593436

'God' made an unconditional covenant with Jacob and all of his descendants through Abraham's blessing, correct? Either 'God' went back on his word and lied, or the blessing still applies. In short, what you said is made up bullshit.

>>13593578

> abrahams children would have many nations

israel, judah, edom, ishmaelites

> throug abrahams seed all the world would be blessed

> blessings on who blesses abrahams seed, cursings on who curses abrahams seed

paul explains thats abrahams seed singular, Jesus Christ

>>13593524

>I don't consider the bible authoritative

okay, and i do. hello, this is the disagreement.

>Tell the premillennial dispensationalist mutts that.

i do, i have in this thread many times said that i think zionist evangelicals are heretical and apostate.

>i didnt say that

fine.

>You worship an ethnic jew

yes, jesus was a jew from the line of judah. as promised by god.

>yahwehist

we are missing the disagreement here, i dont think jews worship god today. jesus said if you do not know the son (jesus) then you do not have the father (yhwh)

matthew 10:33-34

<If you tell others you belong to me, I will tell my Father in heaven you are my followers. But if you reject me, I will tell my Father in heaven you don't belong to me.

luke 12:8-9

<If you tell others that you belong to me, the Son of Man will tell God's angels that you are my followers. But if you reject me, you will be rejected in front of them.

1 john 2:22-23 (not jesus speaking)

<Anyone who says this is an enemy of Christ and rejects both the Father and the Son. If we reject the Son, we reject the Father. But if we say we accept the Son, we have the Father.

the jewish religion itself is a lie. christianity is not jewish. its not supposed to be at least.

>>13593578

>God' made an unconditional covenant with Jacob and all of his descendants through Abraham's blessing, correct?

Incorrect. And nobody curses the Jews like the prophets do, they call Judah and Samaria harlots. The parable of the fig tree, which was a prophecy the Romans fulfilled in 70 AD, is one of many passages about God taking the kingdom away from the Christ killers and giving it to the Gentiles. Even in the old testament.

>>13593578

i am of the belief that the "jews" of today are cut off the vine and the christians of today have been grafted on. there are several verse in the bible discussing this idea. for most of the history of the church the jews were considered "cut off" from god.

its only the dispensationalists in modern times who have argued that they are a blessed people.

romans 11:17-21

<You Gentiles are like branches of a wild olive tree made to be part of a cultivated olive tree. You have taken the place of some branches that were cut away from it. And because of this, you enjoy the blessings that come from being part of that cultivated tree. But don't think you are better than the branches that were cut away. Just remember you are not supporting the roots of this tree. Its roots are supporting you.

<Maybe you think those branches were cut away, so you could be put in their place. That's true enough. But they were cut away because they did not have faith, and you are where you are because you do have faith. So don't be proud, but be afraid. If God cut away those natural branches, couldn't he do the same to you?

john 15:1-6

<Jesus said to his disciples:

<I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. He cuts away every branch of mine that doesn't produce fruit. But he trims clean every branch that does produce fruit, so that it will produce even more fruit. You are already clean because of what I have said to you.

<Stay joined to me, and I will stay joined to you. Just as a branch cannot produce fruit unless it stays joined to the vine, you cannot produce fruit unless you stay joined to me. I am the vine, and you are the branches. If you stay joined to me, and I stay joined to you, then you will produce lots of fruit. But you cannot do anything without me. If you don't stay joined to me, you will be thrown away. You will be like dry branches that are gathered up and burned in a fire.

>>13593667

> Talmudism, like Islam, is a perversion of Christianity.

It's the other way around Anon.

Nonetheless, it's all crap. Instruments created by men to control the masses. It's the greatest scam humanity has ever known. And you're still falling for it.

>i dont think jews worship yahweh today

Ftfy

It depends on the jews in question

Orthodox/conservative jews worship yahweh

Certain hasidic jews/kabalists think yahweh is embodied in collective jewry (peak narcissism)

Secular jews worship themselves ie jewry

Sabbateans are antinomian schizos akin to LHP shaivites and kali worshipers

Regardless - theyre all anti-White and a threat to Europeans and civilisation

>>13593701

>It's the other way around Anon.

You are factually incorrect. This was a widely known fact before kikes owned all the publishing houses and what has become the mass media. Jews were and are a cursed people, and that's why they have been kicked out of 110 countries over 1000 times in 2000 years.

>>13593551

Kikes:

> We don't like Christian threads

> Proceeds to bump the hell out of it all day long

Fine strategy jews as always.

>>13593679

Here's the facts based on history as opposed to self referential semitic scriptures, propaganda and circular reasoning.

Judaism is the merging of a primitive pagan midianite volcano god (yahweh) and the high god of the pagan canaanite pantheon (el). Pre Babylonian exile jews were polytheistic yahwehist savages who sacrificed first born babies TO yahweh and asherah among others.

During and post exile jews then blatantly plagiarised and retconned the code of Hammurabi, Babylonian creation myths and Persian Zoroastrian concepts. Post exile they plagiarised middle Platonism during the Greek Seleucid hegemony. Everything they stole was then retconned and bastardised through the lens of collective jewish malignant narcissism.before being scrambled together in the Greek septuagint in Alexandria circa 300BCE. Therein jews projected their own sordid savage religious practices onto foreign gods, foreign peoples, "pagans" and "apostates" in quintessential jewish fashion. Jews steal everything, corrupt it and then claim provenance while projecting their own savagery onto others.. They are a nation of thieves and liars and those vices extend to their own retarded retconned creed, history and mythos.

>>13593704

>Orthodox/conservative jews worship yahweh

im saying that i dont think that is true

they worship satan and call satan yhwh

if they worshiped the true god then they would accept jesus christ

judaism (talmudism) is a perversion of the true faith in god

>>13593729

see, this is the atheist scripture i was talking about

you were told all of that and you believed it, you have a lot of faith

>>13593731

>im saying that i dont think that is true

Then you're retarded

>they worship satan and call satan yhwh

Satan sits on yahweh's elohim council in the OT. ie he works FOR yahweh and yahweh CREATES good AND evil according to scripture.

>if they worshiped the true god then they would accept jesus christ

Lol. If you all worshiped the true god, you'd abandon yahwehism and embrace Platonism and The One.

>judaism (talmudism) is a perversion of the true faith in god

ALL forms of yahwehism are perversions of truth

>>13593741

1/ I'm not atheist

2/ Most atheists know very little if anything about all this. They are simply midwit reductionist materialists

Your response was sub par

>>13593723

Why wouldn't they like Christian threads? They invented it after all. Like I said before in this thread. It's all a scam. All religions. And I understand why some of you cling to it. Yet it's mental weakness. You do not need to be scammed into behaving a certain way. Or practice ridiculous rituals from childhood on until you are set for life into having accepted them as part of your self. Free your mind, Neo.

>>13593729

> Jews steal everything

titus 1:10-14

<There are many who don't respect authority, and they fool others by talking nonsense. This is especially true of some Jewish followers. But you must make them be quiet. They are after money, and they upset whole families by teaching what they should not. It is like one of their own prophets once said,

>“The people of Crete

>always tell lies.

>They are greedy and lazy

>like wild animals.”

<This surely is a true saying. And you should be hard on such people, so you can help them grow stronger in their faith. Don't pay any attention to any of those senseless Jewish stories and human commands. These are made up by people who won't obey the truth.

idk, what this has to do with christianity :/

>christianity is based off the false jewish religion

again, i have a problem with you calling abraham a jew

>the scholars told me that yhwh was a volcano god

and you believed them

>>13593520

>atheist scripture. which usually boils down to gotcha questions

Sounds like you're referring to the loud minority of redditor types. So you mean like asking you to defend verses such as psalm 137:9 that praises bashing babies against rocks? I thought you might've meant like space, or the Earth not being flat, or Darwinian stuff.

>atheists constantly wish to convert me to atheism

They want you to abandon Christianity, yeah, but that doesn't mean they're converting you to anything. They believe they're doing you a favor. I like to discuss these things because there will be one of 2 possible outcomes: I realize I'm wrong because someone finally answered the questions which make genuine belief impossible for me, or the other person realizes its bullshit and i saved them from a lifetime of quasi-schizophrenia where they are like a battered wife that believes they deserve the mental guilt and abuse. I was raised around Bible thumpers fyi

>but you are judging them by what the most vocal christians spout out

I don't do that, I know they are quite different especially the different sects. My criticisms apply to the religion itself with the exception of sect specific things like Zionist evangelicals or most /pol/ Christians who are disingenuous toxic assholes usually.

>to say that atheism is not an ideology is to say that they are independent thinkers

You're making some serious errors here. I'll use an example. Everyone is born not believing in any deity, if you were never shown a Bible or exposed to other Christians you would not believe in the Christian God, how could you? Hence why missionaries and evangelizing priests exist. You wouldn't claim all infants are ideological would you? Its the same with other deities like Shiva/Vishnu etc. What you're interpreting as being some atheist ideology is the result of a separate mechanism of brainwashing which encompasses a plethora of beliefs which is what actually binds these people together in their judeo-liberal ideology. Its goal is the destruction of any beliefs related to anything greater than the self: higher powers, greater meaning/purpose, true identity/biology, destiny, race, etc. This is to make them malleable deracinated niggercattle with a prepackaged cluster of beliefs and narratives. I wish I could explain it better right now but I'm starting to fall asleep. I'll be back on later.

>>13593771

just because you call yourself something doesnt mean you are that thing

just because the secular state of israel calls itself israel doesnt mean they are israel

just because they say they worship yhwh doesnt mean that they actually do

retard :/

john 14:6-7

<“I am the way, the truth, and the life!” Jesus answered. “Without me, no one can go to the Father. If you had really known me, you would have known the Father. But from now on, you do know him, and you have seen him.”

>>13593613

So the blessing of Abraham wasn't only passed to Jacob? Why does 'God' hate Esau then?

>>13593723

Well you have a choice. Either you're wrong that they hate Christianity, or you're wrong that the people discussing it in this thread aren't actually kikes and you just have schizophrenia.

>>13593815

>just because the secular state of israel calls itself israel doesnt mean they are israel

That we can agree on. They are judah - a kike mafia terrorist state

>just because they say they worship yhwh doesnt mean that they actually do

Orthokikes worship the tribal jewish god yahweh and it's asinine to suggest otherwise

Given that this god is a schizo narcissist psychopath, it's not that surprising

Scripture posting faggots are funniest to me.

> look here, the scripture that someone wrote to pull off the scam proves me right believing in the scam.

>>13593842

semantic* pedantic cope.

>>13593652

>Incorrect

<proceeds to rattle off non-sequiturs

>passages about God taking the kingdom away from the Christ killers and giving it to the Gentiles

I guess you missed the part where it was an unconditional covenant, and thus he would be breaking his own word by stripping them of the blessing. Nowhere does it state "oh by the way, if you're bad little yidlings I'm giving your blessing to the goyim!" How come Isaac was able to receive the blessing if it was supposed to go to the first born? If that's what 'God' wanted because of what Esau said, why did Jacob have to resort to trickery?

>>13593679

So 'God' went back on his word? see >>13593884

God bless us all

>>13593842

>that image

Why is it depicting a baby cow sucking off an adult bull while pooping? Confirmed for jew scribblings.

>>13593827

the blessing was passed to jacob because esau despised his birthright, symbolically, the birthright of a born Christian is to know Christianity from being a child. reuben was skipped over for fornication, simeon and levi for murder, so it passed to judah. it ended up with david, who was additionally promised that his sons would always be the kings, fulfilled in perpetuity with Jesus Christ being the king of israel, judah, and every other nation. the blessing was that Jesus Christ would be a descendant of abraham. the other lesser blessings like many nations were fulfilled by like esau founding edom

>>13593884

>How come Isaac was able to receive the blessing if it was supposed to go to the first born

hagar wasnt abrahams wife

>>13593931

1/ "israelites"/jews were pastoralist mutt savages ie they viewed cattle as wealth

2/ jews can't into decent aesthetics which is probably why they became iconoclasts

>>13593971

Protip: all of that is cultic fiction though

Abraham never existed and no jew nor samaritan had ever heard of abraham prior to 300BCE

>>13593976

I meant how could Jacob receive it from Isaac, it's past my bedtime I was supposed to go to sleep already. Anyway, same question but Jacob.

>>13593842

>I believe actual evidence over the religious claims of semitic cult texts

ill refer back to my quote of 1 corinthans as to what the mindset of the christian was from the beginning, using the apostle pauls words >>13590412

<For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:

if i go to a jew and say "jesus is the christ", he will ask for a sign

if i go to the non jew and say "jesus is the christ", he will ask for wisdom

<But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness

as christians, our sign is the crucifixion of jesus christ and our wisdom is the crucifixion of jesus christ

to the jews its blasphemy

and to the non jew its foolishness

<But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

nothing has changed, you wont listen to what i have to say because the atheist scholars sound wiser. to you what i am saying is foolishness, and you say in your heart it is because you hold the greater key to wisdom. im asking if you at least understand that is what the scriptures say will happen?

<For after that in the wisdom of God the world by [its own] wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

you can not like it and say its cuck shit to win any argument

>hurr durr i win because im dumb

but thats just what we have thought from the time of paul, this isnt new

so, constantly challenging a christian to an argument over the secular world view will always end with you "winning" in your mind

>the bible says the world is 6000 years old but science shows its 4 billion years old

>checkmate, because your book is a fairy tale and science is a fact :D

the whole point, for whatever reason, is that god wanted us to be saved by faith in him alone

i will never be able to prove that god is real, but if you humble yourself and ask him then he will convince you himself

<So I tell you to ask and you will receive, search and you will find, knock and the door will be opened for you. Everyone who asks will receive, everyone who searches will find, and the door will be opened for everyone who knocks. Which one of you fathers would give your hungry child a snake if the child asked for a fish? Which one of you would give your child a scorpion if the child asked for an egg? As bad as you are, you still know how to give good gifts to your children. But your heavenly Father is even more ready to give the Holy Spirit to anyone who asks.

>>13593971

You're missing the point, your explanation implies 'God' flip flopped on his word multiple times which hardly makes the situation better. Unless you can provide me where it states the condition of good behavior for whether you lose or keep the blessing, it didn't have any conditions. That means either they never lost the blessing and Christianity is only for the descendants of Israel, or someone else was descended from Jacob and became the Christians and the jews are stealing their history and identity. There's also the option that it's all horseshit and even after centuries of copying, editing, and translating, they fucked up either the book itself or they failed to fix some important inconsistencies and contradictions.

>>13593902

>So 'God' went back on his word?

im not a dispensationalist

so, no, god didnt go back of his word

again, just because the people calling themselves jews say they are israel dosnt mean that the are the children of the promise

>>13594017

>jews can't into decent aesthetics which is probably why they became iconoclasts

That's a good point and true. How they got people to praise cubism still baffles me to this day. "This ugly painting with shitty perspective and nonsensical proportions is crappy on purpose, which actually makes it amazing!"

>>13594072

>to the jews its blasphemy

Idgaf what jews think. In any case certain JEWS evidently DIDNT think it was blasphemous given that all the first christfags were jews

The (primitive) concept of a scapegoat blood sacrifice of sin transference is pre-existent in pre-jesus judaism

>and to the non jew its foolishness

YES

>you wont listen to what i have to say

Ive heard it all and know christfag doctrines as well as or better than you. It's all nonsense. Incoherent nonsense.

>so, constantly challenging a christian to an argument over the secular world view

I'm a Platonist not a secularist. I eat atheists and yahwehists for breakfast.

>god wanted us to be saved by faith in him alone

Utter nonsense conceived by some semitic mind.

>i will never be able to prove that god is real, but if you humble yourself and ask him then he will convince you himself

God is absolutely real. Yahweh is NOT God. Simple as.

>>13594113

They are abysmal at visual art. Even their shitty subversive cartoons are aesthetically repulsive. Cue their constant seething about Greek sculptures etc at the time. Pure resentment born of an inferiority complex.

>>13594117

>It's all nonsense. Incoherent nonsense.

i dont think it is, i think the scriptures hold great wisdom

im more curious what is different between us that you see the height of foolishness and i see the height of wisdom

there is a great gulf fixed between our worldviews

>>13594128

go be a faggot somewhere else

>>13594146

>bitching about jews isnt political

the only reason there wasnt a christian general on 4chan was because the mods would move them to /bant/

now you are here playing mod

>>>hurr durr get off my board

>>13594133

The occasional pearl sits in a morass of primitive, immoral, blasphemous, semitic filth. It is difficult to plagiarise from superior Egyptian, Persian and Greek cultures without getting atleast a few things right.

>im more curious what is different between us

My guess is childhood indoctrination on your part unfortunately.

>>13594130

I'm off to bed, hopefully I'll run into you again. I would be interested in hearing your views on Platonism. I imagine we have a lot in common, mine is an amalgamation and best I can label it is a form of panentheism. If you were in that 'logic' thread a few days back we might have talked already.

>>>13594161

>I can label it is a form of panentheism

Platonism is panentheistic monism so yes

>If you were in that 'logic' thread a few days back we might have talked already.

Not me

>I'm off to bed, hopefully I'll run into you again. I would be interested in hearing your views on Platonism. I imagine we have a lot in common

Me too fren. Sleep well in the arms of morpheus.

>>13594161

>I can label it is a form of panentheism

Platonism is panentheistic monism so yes

>If you were in that 'logic' thread a few days back we might have talked already.

Not me

>I'm off to bed, hopefully I'll run into you again. I would be interested in hearing your views on Platonism. I imagine we have a lot in common

Me too fren. Sleep well in the arms of morpheus.

>>13594158

many people who were raised christians fall away and become atheists

its often the case that the strongest advocates for atheism are people who were raised christian (or jewish)

interestingly, my views on the end times say that god is going to judge the christians the hardest

all the apostate churches will be destroyed, because they ruined the faith of so many

i dont have a good view of the "church"

>>13590222

BASED AND HOLY

As an ecuadorian brown man, my main dream is too find me a catholic german wife.

>>13594200

>many people who were raised christians fall away and become atheists

Most do not

>its often the case that the strongest advocates for atheism are people who were raised christian (or jewish)

I've never been atheist. Yahwehism is the handmaiden of atheism.

>interestingly, my views on the end times say that god is going to judge the christians the hardest

There are no "end times" and judgement is ongoing in the form of cause and effect/karma

>i dont have a good view of the "church"

i dont have a good view of any yahwehist creed. Theyre all fucking terrible.

By their fruits shall ye judge them.

>>13594195

>Suffering is inseparable from existence.

Presupposition

Though I do respect the rationalism and ethics of Buddhism.

>>13594200

KIKE YOU HAVE BEEN POSTING IN A CHRISTIAN THREAD FOR 4 FUCKING HOURS!

Holy fucking shit shut the fuck up.

>>13594217

so, we are at the

<well, there are many religions and christianity is just one of them, so how do you explain all the people who have never heard of jesus or we born ahindu or buddhist or whatever? are they just fucked?

yeah, thats probably one of the hardest questions to answer. i ultimately became a universalist over the idea, that god ultimately saves everyone.

the 5 year old who dies in india having never known christ will be let into glory with no burdens

while the 70 year old white man who was a christian his whole life and went to church and did all the "right" things will be judged harshly if he lacks faith in the slightest

both will make it into glory but we must pass through the fire and be cleansed of our sins

mark 9:22-29

<It will be terrible for people who cause even one of my little followers to sin. Those people would be better off thrown into the ocean with a heavy stone tied around their necks. So if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off! You would be better off to go into life paralyzed than to have two hands and be thrown into the fires of hell that never go out. If your foot causes you to sin, chop it off. You would be better off to go into life lame than to have two feet and be thrown into hell. If your eye causes you to sin, get rid of it. You would be better off to go into God's kingdom with only one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell. The worms there never die, and the fire never stops burning.

<Everyone must be salted with fire.

>>13594270

>i ultimately became a universalist over the idea, that god ultimately saves everyone.

That is atleast a semi-coherent view

>the 5 year old who dies in india having never known christ will be let into glory with no burdens

Why assume it's a one time deal? Eternity is a long time and there's most likely been many iterations of the cosmos with all it's experiential opportunities

> but we must pass through the fire and be cleansed of our sins

Do you think "sin" is some reified material substance?

>>13594304

Dyer is a very well read twat who constantly abuses TAG and refuses to acknowledge the JQ.

In case you didn't know, 8kun makes it really easy to filter the undesirables, just click the triangle on the top left corner of posts.

Site also has a built in filter option under options on the top right corner of every page.

Don't engage them, they are doing it for attention.

>>13594296

throughout the bible faith in god is represented by gold or silver while sin is contamination

to purify silver you would heat it and remove the dross

malachi 3:2-3

<On the day the Lord comes, he will be like a furnace that purifies silver or like strong soap in a washbasin. No one will be able to stand up to him. The Lord will purify the descendants of Levi, as though they were gold or silver. Then they will bring the proper offerings to the Lord, and the offerings of the people of Judah and Jerusalem will please him, just as they did in the past.

anyways, its a repeating pattern throughout the bible

even the "lake of fire" talked about by jesus could be translated a a crucible

a crucible is where the liquid metal is held while its melting

its a little lake of fire

so the sinners will be thrown into the crucible of god and purified.

the idea being that if your whole existence is based in sin, then what will be left of you when its burned away.

but if you are pure in your faith then the fire will not burn you.

1 corinthians 3:10-15

<God treated me with undeserved grace and let me become an expert builder. I laid a foundation on which others have built. But we must each be careful how we build, because Christ is the only foundation. Whatever we build on this foundation will be tested by fire on the day of judgment. Then everyone will find out if we have used gold, silver, and precious stones, or wood, hay, and straw. We will be rewarded if our building is left standing. But if it is destroyed by the fire, we will lose everything. Yet we ourselves will be saved, like someone escaping from flames.

>>13594364

Yes I understand the allegorical interpretation but youve avoided the question/s

Why assume it's a one time deal? Eternity is a long time and there's most likely been many iterations of the cosmos with all it's experiential opportunities

Do you think "sin" is some reified material substance?

>>13594415

i assume its a one time deal because im a christian. i dont have any other reason to think it is that way.

>Do you think "sin" is some reified material substance?

i dont understand, sin is reified meaning that it is the abstract construct of disobedience to god

sin is not a literal substance that exists in the physical world

another way to say it is that sin is a spiritual reality. like, we wouldnt say that "the fear of god" is a real physical thing but withing christianity "the fear of the lord" is an actual angel that has agency and is personified.

sin is spiritually a substance but not physically

>>13594458

>i assume its a one time deal because im a christian

Perhaps you should begin by accepting Socrates' advice by admitting you know nothing and assuming nothing.

>sin is not a literal substance that exists in the physical world

Then why the need to "burn it away" in some metaphysical process or place?

>"the fear of the lord"

Why would anyone fear the source of all existence and virtue? Yet more bizarre semitic drivel that only a jew couldve conceived. Theyve always been prone to paranoid schizophrenia. I blame inbreeding.

>sin is spiritually a substance but not physically

So you assert that sin, error and evil has a REAL ontological existence? Nonsense. Jewish nonsense.

Even moreso when you and jews also assert that this sin can somehow be negated by transfering to to chickens or messiahs and having them tortured and killed as a scapegoat.

Blasphemous nigger voodoo rubbish.

>>13594524

by transferring it* to chickens or messiahs

>>13594524

>REAL ontological existence

its a creation not from god

sin was born from the disobedience of satan and it has infected the creation like a virus or a rot (bacteria)

jesus says, "if your arm sins, cut it off". the implication is so that it doesnt take over the whole body

sin is a cancer or leprosy

jesus cleanses us of our sins, but it is not an outward change

so, where is the change?

it is a spiritual cleansing of spiritual sins

to demonstrate this, jesus healed physical woulds, so that we might see and believe that he can also heal the spiritual things

<When Jesus saw how much faith they had, he said to the man, “My friend, your sins are forgiven.”

<The Pharisees and the experts began arguing, “Jesus must think he is God! Only God can forgive sins.”

<Jesus knew what they were thinking, and he said, “Why are you thinking this? Is it easier for me to tell this man that his sins are forgiven or to tell him to get up and walk? But now you will see that the Son of Man has the right to forgive sins here on earth.” Jesus then said to the man, “Get up! Pick up your mat and walk home.”

<At once the man stood up in front of everyone. He picked up his mat and went home, giving thanks to God. Everyone was amazed and praised God. What they saw surprised them, and they said, “We have seen a great miracle today!”

>>13594620

>its a creation not from god

Only God can create. Evil is a privation ie a LACK of The Good. Not a thing in itself.

Moronic jews assert that God creates good AND evil in Isaiah. Blasphemous tripe.

>sin was born from the disobedience of satan

Nonsense.

>jesus says, "if your arm sins, cut it off". the implication is so that it doesnt take over the whole body

More rubbish.

Is it possible to converse with you normally or must you always resort to quoting jew texts like a hare krishna spouting his mantras?

>>13594693

2 more millennia huh?

>>13594620

First post in thread 13:06.

Most recent post 18:07

This faggot has been going non stop posting in this thread for 5 hours.

5 HOURS.

It's a bot. Or someone being paid.

>>13594696

First post by this shill was 14:06

Last post 18:26

FOUR HOURS AND 30 MINUTES OF CONSTANT SHILLING.

>>13594668

im a christian fundamentalist

the first fundamental is that the bible is the inherent word of god

if i didnt argue from the bible then i have no argument

anyways, yes, i hold many views that would be atypical of normal everyday christianity

you seem very familiar with zionist evangelistic talking points

the zionist christians with the help of jewish media are the most prolific spreaders of christian media

almost all christians on tv and on the radio are zionist evangelicals

almost all the christians in the congress are zionist evangelicals (because evangelicals encourage people to join government jobs)

the president of the united states has a zionist evangelical as his pastor (paula white)

fundamentalists went the other way and broke off from the world. we dont run for congress. we are not on tv.

so people dont really understand our view, i was just trying to explain

>>13594706

anon, i made the thread :/

>>13594713

>>13594706

Oh noes…God forbid anons enjoy having a civilised debate on a forum!

just passing through to say I hope all anons have a happy Easter :)

>>13594734

Yes. Happy Easter to all believer Anons.

I did away with it. but wish you all the best. Unironically.

>>13594719

>im a christian fundamentalist

Unfortunate

>the first fundamental is that the bible is the inherent word of god

Only according to 2 Timothy 3:16 falsely attributed to the pharisaic ethnic jew paul

The greek is θεόπνευστος (theopneustos) which translates to God breathed. It's subjective interpretation whether this means inerrant and literal truth.

>if i didnt argue from the bible then i have no argument

All truth is God's truth. If truth contradicts jewish scriptures then those texts are wrong - not God.

> i hold many views that would be atypical of normal everyday christianity

Such as?

>you seem very familiar with zionist evangelistic talking points

I'm familiar with all denoms of christianity.

My favs are Eastern Ortho and Amish despite them being poles apart and despite me believing in neither.

>>13594739

> to all believer Anons.

Just believers? How rude.

>>13594739

Well the rest of us are fine anyway.

>>13594734

It's Good Friday anon :)

>>13594747

> If truth contradicts jewish scriptures then those texts are wrong - not God

do you have an example of truth that goes against the scriptures?

>Such as?

universalist. post-trib. the god paradox. duel creationist. the eternal glory on earth and not in heaven.

idk, i believe some weird shit, i would even argue that jesus cursed two fig trees.

>>13594771

salvation (jesus christ) is [born] from judah**

yeshua means "god is salvation" or "yahweh saves"

yeshua is the actual name of jesus, today we say joshua

<The woman said to him, “Sir, I perceive that you are a prophet. Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, but you say that in Jerusalem is the place where people ought to worship.”

<Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe me, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father.

<You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews.

<But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him.

>God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.”

>The woman said to him, “I know that Messiah is coming (he who is called Christ).

<When he comes, he will tell us all things.”

<Jesus said to her, “I who speak to you am he.”

>>13594774

>do you have an example of truth that goes against the scriptures?

How long have you got? The scriptures fly in the face of logos, telos and ethos ( which are REAL metaphysical universals) in numerous instances

Eg Numbers 31 is objectively evil and attributing such barbarism to God is supreme blasphemy

>universalist

Yes you said that before but universalism has a very long tradition all the way back to the early church

>the eternal glory on earth and not in heaven.

Another trad mainstream view

>post-trib

Meh

>the god paradox. duel creationist.

Elaborate please

>>13594809

>universalism has a very long tradition

i didnt say i had novel ideas, i said i hold views that are not mainstream. i didnt make them up myself obviously.

>Another trad mainstream view

im speaking of the idea that people dont "go to heaven"

the eternal glory that god gives us will be here on earth

many many christians spout non sense about going to heaven and being in heaven

>Elaborate please

the god paradox

god is a true paradox. or the paradoxical nature of god. when god reveals himself it is in contradictory ways.

the greatest example being that jesus is 100% human and 100% god.

as opposed to the greek idea of a mixed being.

jesus being fully man and fully god is a paradox.

universal salvation is also a paradox.

the messiah is a paradox, so the jews needed to make two of them. one messiah who dies and the other messiah who lives forever as king. they will tell you its impossible for messiah ben joseph and messiah ben david to be the same man, that would be a paradox.

anyways, there are more examples but the point of the belief is that when dealing with god you have to look for the paradox. if you only see the one side or if you think you understand him then you are missing something, because god can not be understood.

>duel creationist

i was just trying to list some shit i could think of, i made that name up. but, im referring to the idea that the universe is both 6000 years old and 20 billion years old or whatever. there is a paradox at play. we are missing something.

duel creationist is a horrible name for it, i think i was thinking like dueling banjos playing back and forth. i personally think the missing function that we dont really grasp is what time actually is

>>13594881

>because god can not be understood.

ecclesiates 8:15-16

<Day and night I went without sleep, trying to understand what goes on in this world.

<I saw everything God does, and I realized no one can really understand what happens. We may be very wise, but no matter how much we try or how much we claim to know, we cannot understand it all.

>>13594881

> i said i hold views that are not mainstream. i didnt make them up myself obviously.

Technically they ARE mainstream - just not popular or held by a majority. IE They're not heterodox nor heretical.

>the eternal glory that god gives us will be here on earth

A new earth I know

>jesus being fully man and fully god is a paradox.

If so it's not one without numerous forerunners. The dying rising godman was a popular cultic motif. Perhaps an allegory of the human condition ie the divine spark within mortal flesh.

>universal salvation is also a paradox.

Not really.

>the messiah is a paradox, so the jews needed to make two of them. one messiah who dies and the other messiah who lives forever as king. they will tell you its impossible for messiah ben joseph and messiah ben david to be the same man, that would be a paradox.

Not necessarily

BTW the crucifixion is a yom kippur myth imho - one lamb sacrificied to yahweh (jesus) and one goat (barabbas - lit: son of the father) released into the wilderness to azazel/satan

>because god can not be understood.

Typical semitic asiatic obfuscation

>we are missing something.

Yes. The bible is bollocks.

BTW the universe is 14 billion yo. Not sure about the earth. 100s of millions perhaps

>.god can not be understood

God can be understood through platonic universals ie logic, mathematics and ethics.

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>>13594977

I'm aware of the various controversies regarding the trinity which remains a somewhat convoluted doctrine. Did you know that Arianism was the official orthodox position for quite some time before being condemned?

One might presume a supposed avatar of God couldve avoided all this controversy by explaining it directly himself.

>>13595000

yes, but im saying that i believe god does not want us to understand him, he wants us to trust him

its a situation of the kid repeating "why, why, why" and the father saying "because i said so"

i believe, and im no expert, that the end all of the god paradox argument is that if god mad himself understandable to us then we would just be god. in order for us to have agency and free will god must be a paradox to us.

>>13595000

>Did you know that Arianism was the official orthodox position for quite some time before being condemned

Nice trips. Their cope is that "a few churches held the true faith before the heresy was condemned". That is a pro to their system over Catholicism, is that if the Patriarchs are compromised, they can just say they're "heretics" and continue on from there. Sedevacantists have to do a lot of mental gymnastics to justify their position, as there can't be any bishops that come into the Church outside the Pope.

>>13595016

>yes, but im saying that i believe god does not want us to understand him, he wants us to trust him

This is contradictory. If God cannot be understood how can you assume to assert what He wants?

>its a situation of the kid repeating "why, why, why" and the father saying "because i said so"

God can answer each why ad infinitum unlike the temporal mortal father. Whatsmore asking why is part of telos and honoring God and creation. Only slaves without free will are satisfied by "because i said so"

>if god mad himself understandable to us then we would just be god

God is understandable to us IN PART. We are potential gods but can never be big G GOD in His entirety.

> in order for us to have agency and free will god must be a paradox to us.

Rubbish. In any case free will is a spectrum. Some have more than others.

>>13595026

It's all cope built atop cope for yahwehists.

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12 hours of straight shilling. Kikes are mentally ill.

>>13595026

i dont hold that the church is infallible

right from the start it was plagued with misinformation

most of the letters in the new testament are from paul and peter telling the early churches to beware the false teachers

2 peter 3:16

< Paul talks about these same things in all his letters, but part of what he says is hard to understand. Some ignorant and unsteady people even destroy themselves by twisting what he said. They do the same thing with other Scriptures too.

>>13594092

Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. 7Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. 8And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. 9So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

Christ Redeemed Us

(Deuteronomy 21:22-23)

10For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. 11But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. 12And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 13Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: 14That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

The Purpose of the Law

(Romans 7:1-6)

15Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto. 16Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. 17And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. 18For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

19Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. 20Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one. 21Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. 22But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

23But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Sons Through Faith in Christ

26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

>>13595068

My main point is that the Post Vatican I Western Church does. Which is what the Sedevacantists are drawing the line. But anyway, I have no skin in the game. I used to be a Jehovah's Witness and looked into Catholicism and Orthodoxy when I got out of it but I have no interest in returning anytime soon.

>>13595086

If Christianity was a Jewish subversion from the outset, why would guys like Arno Gaebelein (who if they weren't Jewish infiltrators/subverters, they were useful idiots for the Jews to promote Darby's cuckoldry) to promote the idea that Christians need to support the Jews return to Israel and put them above other Christians? Why would the CIA have to subvert the Catholic Church via Doctrinal Warfare? If it was a feature of Christianity from the outset, why would all that be necessary? The theology historically was that there was no Salvation outside of Christ. There are legitimate criticisms to make about Christianity, but this one never held much weight to me.