/philosophy/ - Philosophy

>>4833

intellectual property is fully abolished, except for trademarks in regards to the proper names of businesses, products, artists, works of art, and other organizations or pseudonyms, and only for the explicit purposes of avoiding defamation by impersonation or forgery.

age of consent: no consent to any form of recreational drugs or sex possible before 13, they can consent to recreational drugs under adult supervision and to sex with others within their age group until they are 18, but not to being recorded while doing so, and not to buying lottery or scratch tickets, entering an adult establishment (betting pits, casinos, bars, smoke lounges, sex shops, brothels, etc.), past 18, they can consent to doing recreational drugs, and having sex with anyone within their age group, and can be consent to being recorded while doing so, they also gain the ability to enter adult-restricted establishments, however, no one can consent to getting married, voting, or running for office (any government office) until 23 years of age, at which point they are to be issued military training, especially in firearms, and given a gun license to own anything short of anything too large for a them to carry unassisted, or anything that has a long-term effect upon the environment when used, such as radioactive, chemical, or biological weaponry.

sexual activity, for the purpose of defining rape as sexual activity without the consent of at least one of the participants, is defined as physical contact intentionally made with the anus, or genitals between at least two people, it matters not if someone is forcing contact between their genitalia and another individual's hand or mouth, or if it is a woman forcing the envelopment of a man's penis, it is still rape.

if someone forces sexual contact upon someone below the age of consent to doing it with them, they will be charged with both forcible and statutory rape.

instead of embalming, burial, or cremation, all human bodies become government property upon permanent death, for free use in any manner the government chooses, including donation of tissues or fluids, scientific experimentation, artistic expression, cannibalism, etc. should a body be successfully reanimated, the rights and responsibilities of the individual zombie will be returned to them.

robots and aliens capable of the same level achievement as any human civilization (such as a village in third-world Africa, which no animals, not even bonobos, chimps, monkeys, and gorillas have yet demonstrated the capacity to achieve), will be given humaniod rights, which are like human rights, except that if they come into conflict, humans come first (humans for humanity).

animals are considered to have no rights, and bestiality is simply masturbation using an unusual object.

if god appears, he is to be denounced, arrested, tried, and executed, for his self-documented crimes against humanity, same applies to his angels, Satan, and his demons, for the crimes they have committed against humans as recorded by god (along with the angels, Satan works for god, and the demons work for him, following orders is not a valid excuse).

finally, blacks and gays need to fix their predominant cultures, Muslims need to fix their religion, women need to grow the fuck up and be treated like adults, and all military support for Israel and Palestine must be withdrawn, it is not our war, we only make it worse for everyone.

>>4834

creating currency without the consent of the government banks is always an act of serious fraud and always illegal, and currency created in this way must be destroyed.

>>4835

one last things, no limitations on scientific research, which is privately funded, except those imposed upon it by the above civil laws.

>>4835

kys

>>4840

You realize that either, you're in a fiat currency and creating currency lowers its value, or you're not under a fiat currency, so you can't "create" the currency?

>>4842

you can create non-fiat currency on a free market cf. bitcoin

>>4843

>Bitcoin

You realize that's not remotely comparable?

Unlike a money note, Bitcoins have innate value themselves? I don't remember the basics of it, but when you create a bitcoin, you're using your computer to do difficult mathematics and that is more comparable to working for money or buying a machine and using it to help or do your work.

>>4844

>You realize that's not remotely comparable?

with what?

>>4846

Printing useless paper that is only given value because of taxes?

You don't have a bitcoin tax.

>>4848

>You don't have a bitcoin tax.

yes

so what

>>4861

Fiat currencies are more delicate than non-fiat currencies. This is simple stuff.

Communists outlaw free speech.

=>Communists shouldn't have free speech.

Communism has been thoroughly refuted by reality. It's time to refute promoting it with the death penalty.

>>4833

>where I am 100% totalitarian collectivism (communism)

Interestingly, you might enjoy this blog that coherently criticizes capitalism from a right-wing authoritarian position. It's well-written and in-depth, somewhat like Moldbug, but without the AnCap baggage:

[*Wordpress site is no longer available*]

(No, it's not a fashion blog lel)

Edit: As I recall, the link was innocuous. Blog is dead. However, these things tend to be picked up later and re-purposed for less philosophical purposes. Removing link as a precaution.

>>5321

Reality is kind of gay and retarded anyways. The Gnostics were right

>>4834

That's cool and all but you don't have to be such a moralfaggot

>>5321

Capitalism has been refuted by the existence of jews, who exploit it weaknesses

>>7312

do we live in capitalism now xD ?

>>7353

yes, we do, at least in the western world

>>4833

>>4834

Why are you so retarded. If there's a private business willing to do a job the state is suppose to be doing, but they aren't or are doing a dogshit job of it, though perhaps at a cost that people are willing to pay or at no cost at all... are you going to get in their way?

The real issues to a secular state or point of view are basically primitive and simple. Policy and strategy on these basic issues are all that matter, seeing as they're primal and primary, and all else is just bullshit heaped on top of an ill foundation because people like intellectually masturbating then cumming onto their favorite imageboard or 300+ pages sent to their publisher.

The issues require either a good grasp of the numbers/measure of things or common sense, dead simple, can't go wrong methods. It's a practical, strategic and tactical issue, not a philosophical one. Maybe you just leave the state out of most things and serve a "national defense" role first and foremost, and then whatever other bullshit. Maybe you stick your hand into everything. If you're going to be a control freak, then you better be the better fucking option over letting people sort themselves out, faggot.

Maybe instead of "The State"/government as it's conceived, you come up with an original idea so at least it's an entertaining fucking discussion.

>>7506

>The real issues to a secular state or point of view are basically primitive and simple. Policy and strategy on these basic issues are all that matter, seeing as they're primal and primary, and all else is just bullshit heaped on top of an ill foundation

Could you describe the primitive, simple, primal and primary issues, and why they are the only ones of concern?

>>7508

Food, Air and Water seem to be often neglected, specifically when someone wants to instate some bullshit ideology and make a huge grab for power. Not much thought has gone into utilizing modern technology, research or the large body of fucking scientists for innovations in the production of food or cleaning of air, besides bullshit GMOs and some pesticides or basic agricultural engineering and understanding of soil 'building'. No (very few) large indoor or greenhouse aquaponic farm/fishery combinations, despite some clear benefits from localizing food production and controlled, indoor systems (no pesticides and irregular climate/temperatures to start with).

The issue with air is mostly with dense urban cities. The Earth has been becoming greener over the years due to CO2 rising, so there shouldn't be much of an issue overall.

I have some vague recollection of water supply horror but I don't quite recall the details; it would make sense to have water collection and vigorous filtering/distilling plus whatever additives or processes that make sense be made into compact units with a simple rain collector and water storage distributed throughout a city/town, throughout a country, throughout a state, throughout the country in case of main line failure (war or terrorism or drought) or as the sole source of drinking/cooking water. Additionally, it could be standard to collect rain water at your home and use a simpler system for bathing, and 'grey water' can be recycled into a garden or "garden water" tank. However complicated it is (economically or otherwise), the logistics shouldn't be impossible or incredibly difficult to conceive.

Shelter and Defense (passive/active) would be next up on the list.

>>7508

The issue isn't whether they're the "only ones of concern", but our political systems generally wrap around the practical systems. Capitalism is a practical method, for instance. It has political/governing consequences, but it exists because it's practical.

Your false presumption then is that you can separate politics from the practical realities of a nation or people or persons, instead of beginning with those practical realities in the first place.

>>7509

I'm only more confused. Are those the only 5 issues? Why them and not others? What scope is limiting on them? What does it mean to say collecting rainwater in case of main line failure. Are you saying it is the governments responsibility to do so? That is, not only does the government have a responsibility to the existing water sources, they have an additional responsibility to create or impose secondary and probably tertiary systems throughout the country? On the basis it could be useful, perhaps, one day? What exactly do you envision are the purpose and limit of governments. When I read this, I almost am thinking the government ought to handle each and every detail of those issues. Is that what you mean?

>>7510

What is the essence of a practical system?

>>7513

There is more than the 5. It's about building upward from a strong foundation. That it should be done (or 'governed' to be) is what is fundamental here, and second is the form (or method) in which it is done. It was not a strict case of what should be done, but the premise was and is based on a stricter premise of answering the 'question' of food, air and water contextualized by the possibility of shit hitting the fan, in a shit can happen world.

Your second reply is an unnecessary question and only bogs down the conversation. I won't have a swamp convo with you.

>>7518

It hardly seems like an unnecessary question to me. Your saying what should be governed is what is fundamental. I am asking what distinguishes a fundamental thing from a non-fundamental thing.

> It was not a strict case of what should be done, but the premise was and is based on a stricter premise of answering the 'question' of food, air and water contextualized by the possibility of shit hitting the fan, in a shit can happen world.

So we might say those are things that a government would be in their right to exercise? You don't seem to want to say whether there are any limits or not.

>>7519

I didn't say it should be governed to be by a government, but have claimed that whether something ought to be at all should first be asked.

Food, air and water are necessary before the question of government can even be asked; the implicit principle at play being that a perfect government can not be fathomed before the conditions for fathoming it are first met. This means a starved, suffocating, dying-of-thirst people cannot fathom a perfect government, and they cannot go about perfecting it -- surely they cannot manage to confront and reform a government in this state. If a government were to be a problem, could it easily take away the people's food, air and water? If yes, that is an issue that could have been foreseen and dealt with ahead of time, before it became an issue (when it was only a possibility).

Simply dealing with threats to the subsistence of life is first priority. The way a perfect government should begin to be fathomed is by first understanding what the world is without government. You will recognize a primitive world. Life got on without government. Then you must understand the first forms of government and why they arose -- tribes of creatures, or even colonies of microbes moving with the flock to bolster one another's chance at survival. You can disagree here if you'd like, I guess, but it requires you've survived long enough to do so. You could study the methods of survival that have taken place in the history of Earth and still ongoing -- this would inform your idea of a perfect government.

Models of government formed without a thorough fundamental knowledge base of and considerations for survival are highly prone to error.

>>5321

They are not humans. Just ants with emergent collective consciousness in human flesh.

They need to be killed with fire, purged.

>>4833

Kill yourself, bugman.

Justification of freedom of speech is the ability to get rid of every degenerate promoting communism.

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