3c5aa3 No.4106
List the heroes. Aside from Socrates there was a female neoplatonic philosopher/astronomer who was murdered by the Christian mob centuries later:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypatia
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3c5aa3 No.4110
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3c5aa3 No.4111
>>4106
Hypatia wasn't murdered for philosophy or astronomy, she was murdered for getting too politically involved.
The only other person I know of is Giordano Bruno, who was put to death after he refused to recant his heretical theological views. One could say he died for truth since he refused to admit to believing something he didn't. Guy was OG as fuck.
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3c5aa3 No.4113
>>4111
>she was murdered for getting too politically involved.
Isn't that why Socrates was murdered? Because he was annoying and pissed off people in power?
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3c5aa3 No.4117
>>4113
getting involved in politics and pissing off people in power are two separate things
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3c5aa3 No.4119
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3c5aa3 No.4360
>>4117
But anon, differences between people in power is what makes politics.
There is no difference.
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3c5aa3 No.4362
>>4113
>Because he was annoying and pissed off people in power?
No. He had been doing this even before the war ended. He was put to trial during the aftermath of the Rule of the Thirty. Critias, one of the main leaders of the thirty, had been Socrates' pupil. He also taught Alcibiades who was alternately an ally and enemy of Athens. Combine these two things with irritating a few sensitive sons of nobility and you have a case. What made it worse was that, according to the accounts we have, Socrates did not try to use the usual methods of getting off, e.g. having your wife and children cry in front of the jury. Instead when it was his turn to suggest an appropriate penalty as an alternative to exile or death, he asked to be paid. All of this made the jury find him guilty.
tl;dr: read the Apology
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3c5aa3 No.4388
Wait, wasn't Athens a democracy even then where you needed over fifty percent of the jury to find you guilty? In that case, if not for religious superstition he wouldn't have been found guilty. He argued that he followed his own conscious regardless of what he was told the gods said, (and that his concious must be given to him by something higher.) Hos prosecutors used that to wax about how he was leading young men astray, and he would upset the gods who would bring ruin onto the city.
>he asked to be paid (for all the good he had done)
You're talking about after he was found guilty though and they asked him what punishment he wanted. The jury was moved by emotion, and thought themselves in the right to punish him for his arrogance, equating arrogance with deserving to die. Furthermore, it was because his mockery had essentially denied any wrong-doing even though they had gave him their verdict. Their very hurt feelings were what he wanted them to learn to rise above.
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3c5aa3 No.4460
>>4113
dont forget the accusations of impiety (not believing in the gods of athens) as well as the corruption of the youth. but sure he did piss off a large people in athens, mainly those who claimed to know.
politically, there's the incident of the battle of arginusae where the athenian generals refused to save their survivors due to a violent storm. socrates, being then a member of the council, called them out for this illegal action and voted against it. another one is the execution of leon of salamis during the oligarchic rule of the thirty after the peloponnesian war but i doubt that holds much influence over his trial considering the thirty have been overthrown during the time of his execution.
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3c5aa3 No.4471
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3c5aa3 No.4500
>>4362
But how that murdered for philosophy if Hypatia as murdered for politics? It seems like neither of them are a martyr by your standards.
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3c5aa3 No.4501
>>4500
Socrates did not advocate anything political. His inquiries, however, made fools of the citizens of athens and the professional politicians who claimed to know things yet were left baffled and unable to give any positive answer to Socrates' questions.
This spirit of complete free inquiry was catching on with the noble youth who, thanks to Socrates, were beginning to see that the adults were ignorant and really did not know any more than the youth themselves. This destruction of faith and its consequences is why Socrates was put to death, and it is why he refused to accept any wrongdoing or punishment. He knew he had done nothing wrong and had revealed the ignorant for what they were: ignorant.
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3c5aa3 No.4951
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3c5aa3 No.4962
-) Anicius Manlius Severinus Boëthius
-) Giordano Bruno
-) in a way also Blaise Pascal (his religous beliefs killed him)
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7e5f08 No.5310
If you admire martyrs so much, kill yourself.
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