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efe9c7 No.1895
Let's start with Lain.
>existentialist themes
>post-modern themes
>alienation themes
>cyberpunk themes
Plot:
>girl falls into the internet
>meets the God of the internet
>questions God
>questions ontology
>questions Epistemology/what is true vs what is believed
>questions wheter if enough people believe something it can become true
>questions [spoiler] how a God who used to be human could have become a God unless he was created by someone higher.
>realizes she made him and is actually the real God of the internet
>deletes herself from existence for the better good, so she won't be tempted to meddle with and harm a lesser species.
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How would you classify Serial Experiments in Lain? Are there any other good anime for thinkers?
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efe9c7 No.1896
I really wish Kill La Kill had ended up being as political and philosophical as it seemed to promise in the first episode, but there are some of those elements scattered throughout the show. For example...
The flashback in which Satsuki recruits Nonon for the Elite Four shows some pretty intense existentialist themes in my opinion. Satsuki says something along the lines of... 'If you build a tower, even if it is made of steel, someone very strong can knock it down and destroy your ideas. However, if you build a tower in your mind, no one can touch it.' For me this evokes the existentialist notions of identity and despair. From Wikipedia, "What sets the existentialist notion of despair apart from the conventional definition is that existentialist despair is a state one is in even when he isn't overtly in despair. So long as a person's identity depends on qualities that can crumble, he is in perpetual despair." What Satsuki is telling Nonon to do is to abandon any external affirmation of her identity and instead create her identity through her own choices, pursuing the existentialist ideal of authenticity.
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efe9c7 No.1938
Love Lain. anon I highly recommend Ergo Proxy. It's very philosophical.
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efe9c7 No.2002
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efe9c7 No.2003
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efe9c7 No.2004
>>2003
Forgot pic.
Also, don't want to spoil anything.
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efe9c7 No.2005
>>1938
Not sure if trolling but just namedropping philosophers/-ies ad infinitum with little to no relation to the overarching narrative is not philosophical, it's just pretentious.
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efe9c7 No.2007
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ergo proxy comes as close to philosophy as new age does, it;s an interesting fine story though
maybe you wont like mentioning evangelion because it states something very obvious, but i like it
i;d recommend texhnolyze
>cyberpunk
>post modern themes
>alienation themes
>existentialist themes
>also the pacing and the characters are better
>this track
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efe9c7 No.2010
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Trigun has some poeticly moving episode previews that relax me, even if the conflicts aren't deep. The whole series is a case study that critiques a hero who clings to absolutism. You can't help but cheer for his optimism, no matter how naive he is.
I love how at 2:50 he says it's wrong to force love and keep it alive, because unconditional love blossoms into the thorny flower called lie, which hurts people. He's practically a hero grappling with Christian dilemmas.
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efe9c7 No.2022
Are yall serious? philosophical anime? LMAO
just watch SZS
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efe9c7 No.2046
Parasyte the Maxim has nice scenes that raise questions about humanity and existence.
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efe9c7 No.2160
>>2046
I thought a really good scene was in the second-to-last episode where the protagonist decides to leave his opponent's chance of survival to nature but goes back and takes action anyway. I interpreted it as him deciding that humans were part of nature too.
He has a sweater that says "philosophia" too, cute.
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efe9c7 No.2261
>>2005
It's not just name dropping. The philosophies it use have a lot of implication and relation to the plot and characters of the show. From Proxy One questioning his own identity and how his internalized existence is formed, the nature of proxies, the Platonic-esque domed city where all humans are made and have a specific purpose, to the ultimate nature of identity when it's been so throughly constructed by an artificial system that itself has been constructed by an even more absurd purpose (stabilizing the ecosystem) and now has outlived that purpose. There are a lot of levels of meaning where philosophical ideas flow into the narrative. The episode where they're just sitting for weeks waiting for the wind to pick up I found especially poignant.
>>2004
Oh yes, this so much.
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efe9c7 No.2262
Is Tokyo Ghoul philosophical at all? I heard it has quite the edge.
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efe9c7 No.2263
Blame! is a dank and dark cyberpunk series that takes place in a post-singularity world struggling to regain some sense of itself. It's a pretty interesting read, but there's not much dialog so you really have to think deep to grasp at some of the stories deeper meanings.
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efe9c7 No.2295
>>2004
LN is better
https://my.mixtape.moe/dtpkvw.zip
download for all currently translated books of the LN
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efe9c7 No.2995
Is Evangelion deep or just overrated Freudian nonsense?
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efe9c7 No.3025
>>2995
the creator even said that the christian crosses only were there to look edgy but it is very Freudian, but then again people think Fruedianism is nonsense kek
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efe9c7 No.4779
>>2995
>or just overrated Freudian nonsense?
The whole show is a Freudian wet dream.
Literally every character has an oedipus complex which is waved in your face at every opportunity.
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efe9c7 No.4780
>>3025
the creator says sometimes things - not all of it must be true
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiUs6YuSloM
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efe9c7 No.4781
>>4779
more traumatic family-systems than oedipusy
depression in particular has a wide reach
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efe9c7 No.4782
>>4781
Hello ego, I would like to speak with Id now.
What do you think causes that depression?
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efe9c7 No.4803
>good anime for thinkers
I feel like that was a self administered pat on the back in disguise
I wouldn't call Lain philosophical for the same reason i wouldnt call it psychological
the phil/psych context of the anime is pretty great tho
"there's nothing new under the sun"
Of course thought provoking anime is gonna seem smart or whatever cause that's the point
also art is a lie that tells the truth so you're allowed to believe whatever making it as deep as you want it, baby
relevant in Lain since the creator hoped Americans and Japanese would come to seperate conclusions about it's the meaning behind Lain. The 2 cultures we're supposed to be turning american culture on l values but it didnt work apparently.
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efe9c7 No.4804
>psychoanalysis
into trash it goes
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701da0 No.5461
>>4804
>sigmund freud sliding down slowly into a large greasy garbage bin
Did you have a dream about this?
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a6d138 No.5463
>>4803
>relevant in Lain since the creator hoped Americans and Japanese would come to seperate conclusions about it's the meaning behind Lain. The 2 cultures we're supposed to be turning american culture on l values but it didnt work apparently.
Apparently Lain wasn't deep enough to lend itself to very different interpretations. I don't see much Americans could interpret differently. Japs seem to understand Rosswell and alien phenomenon with about the same familiarity as Americans.
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f99fed No.5466
To Love-る is pretty deep. It deals with the psychological struggles of a young maiden from a world far different from ours, whose powerful parents expect very much from her. She is young and wants to do as she likes, but needs to consider what is within the bounds of her parents' acceptance and what is within the bounds of reality itself. This is contrasted with the struggles of a fairly normal young man who has a knack for getting himself into Freudian trouble, when he mistakenly proposes to her. It examines the difficulties of cross-cultural relationships, human inadequacy, and future planning. Some Mormon themes are evident, though they are more cultural than religious. And to top it all off, the young man has a separate love interest of his own. It's quite thrilling! I watched the anime and then read the entire manga in about a week.
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9e58b6 No.5990
I don't mean to revive a dead thread, but seriously, a 2 year old philosophical anime thread, and no mention of Legend of the Galactic Heroes? The entire series is Philosophy of History and Political Philosophy: The Anime.
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0ee0bd No.6011
Paranoia Agent is my all time favorite anime. Really zeroes into existentialism in Modern Japan
I haven't watched Lain but I really ought to. I've been wanting to enjoy some more manga/anime but I havent made the time with classes.
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2fc776 No.6059
>>6011
Try Paprika, Now and Then Here and There, Monster, and Homunculus.
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5babd7 No.6063
Not a philosophical race, the people of Wa.
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0ee0bd No.6066
>>6063
there's a 90% chance you're a weaboo
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4dfcb7 No.6068
Psycho pass
>morality and order (the girl mc)
>truth seeking greenpills in two versions: chaos and order
>sibyl system caused said seekers to clash among each other to protect the truth
>only recent cyberpunk theme so far
good stuff
preview:
>chaos fag gave weapon to mc while having hostage of her friend
>moralfag can't save her friend didn't want to dirty her hands
>???
lol
overall the show is shitilly one-sided but explains a lot.
dogs will be dogs.
>>4803
I believe Lain is a bit pandering though I like the aesthetic. Not really philosophical but actually out of all animes I've watched so far - really dismantled the "ego" concept and ascension bullshit. More like "The Matrix" kind of anime.
also
>theory salad
>unexplained scenes like her sister babbling and seeing some shit
Horror/10
AI fags
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4dfcb7 No.6069
>>6068
Also the only interesting character in psycho pass talked about "free will" many times.
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47d9a3 No.6129
>>6068
>unexplained scenes like her sister babbling and seeing some shit
Those scenes start making a bit more sense when you realise that Her family isnt an actual family and that her sister was just an earlier attempt to create a 'lain' in the real world.
The scenes are basically the failed experiment not being able to maintain cohesion or stability as the wired starts melding with the wired and Lain starts gaining influence.
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a16fd2 No.6159
Kafka's, a country doctor by yamamura. It's just an adaptation of Kafka so it's got it's existentialist street cred. It's a decent adaptation if you can handle somewhat experimental animation.
Ghost in the shell (1995)
Kind of basic and by the book philosophically, but classic anime, great animation, and of course one of the main visual works that established the feel of the cyberpunk aesthetic along with Bladerunner
Haibane Renmei
Mild surrealism, angst, and existentialism wrapped up in a slice of life. Not overtly philosophical, but what little is there is important.
>>2995
Eva (tv) is Freud plus Positive psychology 101 shoved into a contrarian("deconstructionist") mecha show.
End of Evangalon ep 1 is Biblical symbolism cliffs notes and Freudian bullshit dialed up to 11.
EoE ep 2 is just Anno screaming at the viewer "GET A LIFE YOU IMMATURE DELUSIONAL VIRGIN OTAKU LOSERS!!!!"
That last one is actually what makes Eva valuable IMO, it's rare to watch something where the director so clearly holds his audience in contempt.
>>6068
>unexplained scenes like her sister babbling and seeing some shit
You mean the one in the diner? If I recall correctly there was a companion scene to that one, where it was further implied that the "sister" wasn't actually real, but maybe another aspect of lain/or other entity existing in the wired. (I can't find the screenshot but I believe there was a scene that was just like the first, excepting the sister had already disappeared, and the "messages" she saw in the first scene appeared on someone's cell phone. Nonlinear narrative and all that.)
Anyways, while there weren't really clear explanations for everything, I think that for the most part it is pretty cohesive thematically.
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