8b936e No.1587 [View All]
Not one old philosopher is on record condemning slavery, until the modern age, when anti-slavery sentiment became popular. What does that say about philosophy?
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8b936e No.2686
>>2681
That shows how little Schopenhauer is worth.
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8b936e No.2692
>>2686
because that worked out so well in the long run right?
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8b936e No.3186
>>1925
See the second response in >>1691. Direct satiation is much more free than indirect and institutionally enforced satiation no matter whether you want to call the latter a slave-like state or not
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8b936e No.3543
>>1691
Your example of "hunger, bake bread, eat" is really disingenuous. Am i to assume that the person doing this cleared the land alone, harvested the grass seeds alone, collected the water alone, fabricated the tools necessary to reap the harvest. Then went on to construct the oven and all the necessary ingredients to make bread including somehow finding and raising chickens all by themselves? That's ridiculous.
As I stated before, whether you like it it not you're a part of society and the only thing work allows you to do us generate wealth with a narrower skill set than is required than "simply" baking bread in the woods alone. Technically you're even less of a slave because more of your time is free and you do less work for a far higher quality of life than if you did all this alone.
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8b936e No.3614
>>1691
Free through guarantees given by a regulating authority
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8b936e No.3616
>>1587
Says nothing about the philosophers themselves, but how morals and values had infiltrated philosophy and changed it from a concept based on reason and logical thinking to one in which if you do not appeal to the general moral code of your peers, you will be disregarded.
Slavery from an economic and political standpoint is one of the most effective ways to rapidly establish and sustain a country. Housing is cheap, clothing is cheap, feeding them costs pennies, and the result is profits that reach beyond the cost in which to sustain the slaves. The reason in which why countries such as the former Roman republic, the USA, and the former USSR flourished within decades and became economic, political, and militaristic superpowers is solely due to usage of free or extremely low paying labor.
As a philosophical concept, the pros of slavery outweigh the cons, and it is a reason why older philosophers have no objections to such an inhumane practices. Now that philosophy has become a joke and the moral question is now a requirement in determining the legitamacy of a theory, such viewpoints have changed to fit the moral ideals of whiny little bitches who want the world to be a place in which no suffering occurs.
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8b936e No.3618
>>3616
I think you greatly overestimate the economic power of slavery. For every successful country that practiced slavery, there's a bunch of unsuccesful ones: the Ottoman Empire, the whole of Latin America, the West African kingdoms, etc.
Neither the Roman republic, nor the USA flourish "within decades". Both did some three hundred years of nation-building before they became relevant at all.
In fact, I think you might be wrong on almost every count. Have you considered that before writing your post?
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8b936e No.3620
>>3616
>morals and values had infiltrated philosophy and changed it from a concept based on reason and logical thinking to one in which if you do not appeal to the general moral code of your peers, you will be disregarded
When did this change happen? I'm highly curious about this age when philosophers existed in a vacuum of Logic and Reason™.
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8b936e No.3621
>>3618
>>3620
Doesn't evidence show that the economy flourished after slavery was abolished in the USA? And in the USA, wasn't it pretty much the too few percent that owned slaves anyway? It wasn't common enough to give full credit to slavery even if the USA was flourishing. Truth of the matter is the USA at its start was more free than any place on earth and that's when it gained most of its power
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8b936e No.3648
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8b936e No.3649
>>3543
Haven't you heard that hunter gatherers worked less and had more free time before the industrial revolution forced people into 14 hour work days or the modern 8 hour ones? Society has evolved to expect more labor of most of us so the top who inherit it can play with toys at their leisure.
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8b936e No.3652
>>2677
There is nothing wrong with spooks
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8b936e No.3654
People are more enslaved today than they ever have. Slavery is a politically charged word because it makes the person who has any association with the word seem inferior.
"The strong do what they have the power to do. The weak accept what they have to accept."
Slavery is natural because everything that has ever participated in nature is natural. Slavery didn't just happen once, it's happening right now all over the world. Multiculturalists use it to shame western culture but nevertheless you don't seem them going to West Africa to go end it. Lincoln used slavery to justify forcing the union back into place. Brazil and Cuba waited some 20 years later without a war. Why should philosophers ever condemn slavery? It is apart of our nature to enslave the weak. The key is not to overwork them, but still to bring out the excellence in them because they are incapable of doing it without you.
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8b936e No.3655
>>3654
how many horses have you seen enslaved by another horse?
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8b936e No.3657
>>3654
>why shouldn't we do things if we do them
Why are stormfags always so nigger-tier in their philosophical comprehension?
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8b936e No.3658
>>3657
i am reminded of sherlock holmes
>It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts
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8b936e No.3667
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8b936e No.4250
>>1600
what is working tax?
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8b936e No.4264
>>4250
Tax is theft. Next question?
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8b936e No.4265
>>3649
Hunter gatherers had more free time to do what? Last I checked hunter gatherers did not live even approaching quality of life a modern living person does. On top of that the amount of free time one gets in this society is directly proportional to the planning they put into being able to accumulate enough wealth to accommodate their needs.
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8b936e No.4273
>>1587
>Assuming slavery is wrong
What does that say about you?
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8b936e No.4304
this board is worse than /lit/ i swear
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8b936e No.4305
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8b936e No.4384
>>4264
Not if you pay them gladly with knowledge that they will go to something you think is worthwhile to you or your community. Good meme though.
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8b936e No.4386
>>4384
You have a lot of faith that someone is going to spend your money for you more carefully than you'd spend it yourself.
You know what they say though, ignorance is bliss.
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8dd951 No.5362
Whereupon /philosophy/ takes it upon themselves to prove Wittgenstein right.
Hey, somebody want to define slavery, or do you prefer throwing emotions, virtue signalling, and shibboleths around in the guise of logic?
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3fe416 No.5743
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9885df No.5757
Slavery is only wrong from the perspective of those who've something to gain from it's abolition.
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0116be No.5770
>>1587
Instead of looking at the morality and ethics of the act of slavery itself, why not look at how there will always be groups within the enslaving people who want to release the enslaved leading too a degrading the enslaving group?
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0116be No.5771
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6da98e No.5785
>>1587
It says that slavery isn't inherently bad in the first place. Especially in the case of the niggers in America. Way better than living in Africa in the vast majority of cases (they were cared for because a slave owner would have no use for a sick or dead slave, and were definitely better off living like that than living with their nigger parents that traded them for booze, or whatever), and now their descendants are living in a first world welfare state (that their ancestors did help create in the first place, even if it was against their lack of will) and they can loot their own cities whenever they want to and get away with it because they dindu nuthin. Subhumans have frequently benefited from being enslaved by superior people. They belong to a race that should only exist if it can fulfill that purpose. If they aren't useful as slaves anymore, then they shouldn't exist, because they simply don't possess as many qualities as the superior races, and they contaminate a world that could potentially be a lot better if they weren't here.
Successful civilizations require hierarchy. Slaves just happen to be at the very bottom, but it still shouldn't be too bad to be a slave in a good civilization. Being conquered by a great empire would always lead to a lot of benefits. Even if your people are complete trash (and they are, because all modern populations are), if they are conquered by Rome, they can get some beneficial cultural influence, and a lot of infrastructure that they wouldn't have otherwise. It's only natural for inferior people to be inferior in status. Problems only come when people occupy a position that they shouldn't. Some races were born to be slaves. Some races aren't, but even in superior races, inferior individuals can be worse than the shit that comes out of their asses. There can only be justice in inequality. A virtuous, strong, beautiful and intelligent individual is inherently superior to someone that isn't quite on that level. Someone that not only has none of these qualities, but also represents their very opposite, should be below even slaves, in any society. They should be below even the dirt that slaves walk on. A good slave is still a good slave, and therefore should be treated as well as a slave can be treated.
OP is a weak pleb that identifies as a slave and sides with the enemy. A nigger in soul and possibly even in body, trying to attack the source of all human achievements because he represents the exact opposite of those achievements. A living piece of shit. Hope he gets shot by a cop. But I guess checking out this board was kinda worth, because slavery is a historical necessity that modern people are almost completely incapable of understanding, even though it was obviously a tool that led the superior to greatness, and allowed the inferior to be useful, and even improve themselves if they had the potential to do so. Weakness is the source of all evil. Strength is virtue.
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a237fa No.5793
Why should the philospher care? Every single philosopher was a white straight male, fully capable of taking care of themselves and did not have to get into anything requiring slaves.
That, if someone is a slave, should be determined by ones actions and thoughts, not their race or appearance. There are intelligents from black backgrounds, and there are idiots from the whitest of neighbourhoods.
If one acts like a slave, the individual should become a slave whose actions are regulated by someone smarter, and thoughts replaced with the blandness of hard work, thus relieving the mind of thrash.
If someone from slave-kind shows traits of superior intelligence, is interested in sciences or something greater, the slave deserves to become a human.
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ff11f7 No.5794
>>1587
Better question to ask - what does that say about anti-slavery?
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a14b76 No.5855
>>5785
Revolution of Haiti was not done because of Philosophers reasons, but by might makes right logic, similar of the one you're defending right now.
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9a2fba No.5856
>>1693
This should have many more merits and demerits (such as breaking down under monopolys) but is broadly true.
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55d607 No.5918
>>1587
No one is on record condemning slavery until the modern age. Mostly because it was necessary for civilization to function. General consensus globally was that it's cruel to not treat your slaves well but that slave labor is necessary for society to function. Though of course slaves can't object we're bombarded with images of slaveowners abusing their property ruthlessly today in a way that doesn't necessarily depict all slavery completely accurately (though in many cases particularly on protestant owned chattel slave plantations it did).
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9b7826 No.5919
>>1587
I think Plato condemns it in his LAWS.
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1605b0 No.5924
Name one philosopher that doesn't discuss free will in one form or another. Philosophers can't even agree on that.
But to answer your question: philosophy is populist in its nature. It tries to provide simple answers to difficult questions. The answer to the morality of slavery isn't simple but the current answer is. The reality however is that slavery still exists. There are females forced into prostitution, children forced to work in sweat shops and our western society reaps some of the benefits of that in the form of cheap products.
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476a91 No.5939
>>3618
have you ever considered the monetary success of Nazi Germany, Argentina, Uruguay, Chile, etc. without the direct use of slavery since the late 19th century?
Man is the artisan of his own Destiny, within the playground of natural Laws and God thyself.
A certain kind of slave won't forever be a slave. For it he doesn't win his liberty, he conquers it
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adb199 No.5942
>>1643
>Slavery is self-imposed
You may have a point. Consider the demographic of cigarette use, lottery tickets, and so on. Those who spend the little bit of extra they get from work on comfort, addictive, and luxury goods, ensure that they will never escape their social class. The chains of slavery today is that of frivolous expenditures. I like to call them Slaves to the Ephemeral.
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037170 No.6513
It says absolutely nothing about the concept of philosophy.
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78819f No.6522
>>1917
Genetics and IQ play a role in the income of a person and if he or she has a child, chances are that the child is also going to be high IQ
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bfbba2 No.6523
>>1602
Living amongst fuckwits like >>1601 isn't slavery, it's a 80-90 year prison sentence.
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a12a12 No.6527
the more pertinent question is what it says about slavery
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f9e655 No.7238
>>1600
This post singlehandedly made me realize that this whole fucking board is a waste of time.
Too many idiots/trolls on here pretending to be extremly daft.
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5be218 No.7589
>>4265
>quality of life
This isn't at all as objective as you think it is. I don't want to jump into the slavery debate going on, but you should really scrutinize what makes life worth living and whether the modern man truly has that je ne sais quoi. Hunter gatherers lack features that are ubiquitous in the first world, such as generalized anxiety disorders, depression and other mood dysregulation problems, nihilism fueled hopelessness—the structure of our economy has lead to the structure of our society such that individuals have rooms of their own in houses of their own, often quite distanced from the houses of their neighbors, who have probably never met or rarely talk to. 'Community' is a buzzword, not a serious notion. If you made a list of pros and cons and were able to weigh those pros and cons against a value system we could agree to, I am confident that you would find that hunter gatherers living in the most 'impoverished' conditions (for this too is a subjective notion) have a quality of life similar to if not greater than the modern man. If you are a materialist who cannot appreciate the importance of the intangibles of life, then I don't expect you to agree with this claim.
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7afd8b No.7598
Slavery:
1. forced, you can't choose.
2. not forced, but you have no choice, like you have no land to farm, no money to start your own business, you have to be hired to work against your will.
Philosopher:
1. motivated only by finding the truth (possibly against slavery).
2. motivated by justifying what he benefits from (he would never condemn slavery, only justify).
I doubt a slave could have the money and education to become a philosopher. To become a philosopher, one at least has to be free. And the chance that a slave owner or a free person condemns slavery is small.
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2d215c No.7599
>>1587
>What does that say about philosophy?
That it began to suck during the modern age.
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c0e2d8 No.7601
>>1591
This is big brain time.
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bfa3f5 No.7611
>>1587
HOLY SAMEFAG BATMAN!!
>Why does philosophy only now speak against slavery
But yeah philosophy is a reflection of the time and place of the philosopher. I think that was the opinion of Spengler or someone like that.
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