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No.1578
https://events.imaging.nikon.com/live/en/
Nikon now has a 2deep4u teaser for their coming mirrorless system.
New huge mount confirmed
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No.1590
Nikon are releasing their new MILC's, this is a pretty big deal to some.
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No.1591
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It's rather interesting to think what might've been if Nikon designed their new mirrorless cameras for proper manly fists instead of tiny jap bitch boy hands.
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No.1592
>>1591
Hey, just because you can't wrap your sausage-fingered neanderthal mitts around a reasonably-sized camera grip, that doesn't mean the rest of us should have to suffer from giant cameras that require honorary-fedora backpacks to haul around.
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No.1593
>>1592
Why the sour tone? You're in luck my man, Canon are now too releasing a new and exciting MILC ecosystem for manlets to enjoy.
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No.1594
Gotta be said though that 28-70 f2 is looking sexy as hell.
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No.1595
>>1593
I'm already on micro 4/3rds, my dude. I like being able to fit a good camera and lens in a small jacket pocket. What sort of man-purse do you need to use for your big manly camera and big manly lens?
>>1594
I'd be astonished if that 28-70/2 costs less than US$2000 and weighs less than a kilo. There's gotta be a ton of exotic glass in that thing.
But I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that Canon will very aggressively price the first R body. It's got fairly low-end specs, and Canon looks like they're fast losing interest in all things APS. I wouldn't be surprised if it comes in under US$1500 with a decent kit lens.
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No.1596
>>1595
>What sort of man-purse do you need to use for your big manly camera and big manly lens?
You talking shit about my Billingham, son?
>I'd be astonished if that 28-70/2 costs less than US$2000 and weighs less than a kilo
Yeah there's no way it's going to have an MSRP south of $3k
But then on the other hand they're going to be dirt cheap when everyone ditches Canon for Sony when again they gimp the video capture to protect their cinema eos brand and it becomes painfully apparent their sensor tech is several years behind all competition.
Also I see people saying it's only got a single card slot but from all the tech sheets I've found I can't see any terminology denoting number of storage slots, just that it's SD compatible (which honestly is fucking pathetic, I'd rather have a single high speed XQD card than dual SD cards).
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No.1597
Canon literally designing their shit with manlets as the target audience.
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No.1598
>1.7x crop 4k
THE ABSOLUTE FUCKING STATE OF CANON
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No.1599
>>1596
I do have an apology to make, I was totally wrong about the price of the R. Dpreview just posted details, $2300 body-only, $3400 with the kit lens. That's insane. I'd been working on the assumption that Canon isn't run by idiots, and that a mirrorless with 6Dmk2 specs would also be priced like a 6Dmk2 to encourage adoption of the new system. Boy was I ever wrong. Canon totally shit the bed on this thanks to the pricing, even more than Nikon. At least Nikon's also-vastly-overpriced Z6 has IBIS and an XQD slot.
And just as you predicted, they did indeed gimp the video: 4K has a 1.7x crop. Sony and Panasonic camera division execs must be laughing their asses off. Canon's just plain given up on the portable video business.
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No.1600
>>1599
All the nice features (glass, touch functions, DPAF, control ring, drop in filter EF adapter) are made completely irrelevant by the lack of IBIS and usable 4k capture. Did these dumb motherfuckers really think people wouldn't be able to put two and two together and figure out all they did was repackage the 5DIV sensor?
It is an absolute fucking joke that this is the flagship they launch a new system with. Looks like I'll continue to happily use the 5DII I've had now for almost a decade and when the time comes to replace it I sure as shit won't go looking for a Canon body.
That they don't even include the basic EF/R adapter witht he camera body is Canon deliberately seeing how far they can twist the balls of their customer base before they come off entirely.
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No.1602
>>1600
There's also the open question of whether the R's DPAF even works in 4K. DPAF doesn't work on the M50 in 4K, just 1080p, and the 4K specs of the R look suspiciously like the M50 in all other respects.
The R is looking more and more like it's just an M50 with an even worse lens lineup and a slightly bigger sensor at three times the price. The pixel pitch is almost the same, 3.7um for the M50, and 4.1um for the R. Assuming the same underlying sensor tech and given that they use the exact same digic 8 processor, I'd bet good money that no-one could tell the difference between prints from the two cameras unless they blew everything up to massive sizes and did some major pixel-peeping.
Canon's totally lost the plot. The R is looking like the worst value-for-money that I've seen in a camera in a long fucking time. They've done the goddamn impossible, they've made the M50 look like it's decent bang for the buck. The M fucking 50.
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No.1603
>>1602
The only practical use for this camera is as a litmus to determine which review sites/blogs/jewtubers are trustworthy and which are corporate shills.
Like you said the M50 presents a far superior value proposition (even though it itself is little more than a crude joke) but if you're actually serious about shooting 4k video on a crop body with no IBIS then there's quite a wide selection of alternatives that blow the M50 out of the water, Fuji's new XT3 for example.
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No.1604
>>1603
Quite right regarding the M50's overall value. I was imagining the perspective of an existing Canon user looking at re-using their EF lenses and debating a mirrorless switch. For them it's not a bad choice given how cheap it is. Video is crippled, but hey, it's Canon. Crippling video is just what they do. Gotta sell C-series somehow.
And yeah, the R release has made for a fantastic corporate litmus test. Witness Tony Northrup, who loudly brought up the Nikon Z6/Z7 single card slot as practically a crime against humanity, and glossed over that same deficiency with the R. Guess we know who butters his bread despite his self-professed Nikon fandom.
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No.1605
>>1604
>I was imagining the perspective of an existing Canon user looking at re-using their EF lenses and debating a mirrorless switch
That's me. Going to keep holding off until I can get my hands on an A7III with a grip and some adapters for a dry run. The ergonomics are terrible when considering the body alone and I want to confirm for myself what the AF performance is like with the 70-200/2.8 at the long end, Jason Lanier did a test of this lens when used with a metabones adapter but he only took shots using the wide end, the cunt.
>Witness Tony Northrup, who loudly brought up the Nikon Z6/Z7 single card slot as practically a crime against humanity, and glossed over that same deficiency with the R.
This man's conduct raises some questions. I've considered him untrustworthy ever since he did a video on focus breathing of some lens (a sigma I believe) and when demonstrating the effect he didn't mount the camera to a tripod or otherwise fix its position so that an accurate comparison could be made.
He might be a skilled businessman who knows how to run a hustle but a trusted source for reviews he is not.
Hating on Nikon is in my view entirely sensible but they've put in a far better showing with their Z cameras than Canon did, anyone pretending otherwise is a fool.
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No.1606
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No.1607
>>1606
Ah, yes, the very soul of the art of photography: data charts. Thank you for posting these precise and scientific means of determining how good the photos that come out of a camera are to five decimal places.
Until now, I've had to make do just looking at my photos. How silly of me. I obviously need to obsess over sensor designs instead of all this "composition" and "exposure" nonsense. Thank you for showing me the light.
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No.1608
Should I get a Canon 1dx Mark II?
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No.1609
>>1607
>you shouldn't be disappointed in canon for re-releasing a two year old sensor which was already lagging behind competition at its launch date because composition and lighting yo
>>1608
Depends, what are you needs, budget, existing lens collection and what do you hope to do with photography in the future.
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No.1610
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Very revealing interview with a yuropoor Canon exec.
This chump explains in no uncertain terms that Canon were quite literally unable to develop a camera featuring 4k/60 capturing the whole frame of the sensor.
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No.1615
Time for some actual goddamn exciting news for a change
>Fujifilm
>100MP medium format with IBIS and 100% AF coverage
>Panasonic
>FULL FRAME 4K60FPS
>DUAL CARD SLOTS
>L Mount
>Panasonic, Sigma and Leica announce they're all bum buddies and will all be making glass/cameras for the L mount
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No.1616
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Everyone's favourite Leica pitchman gets a chance to fingerfuck the S1, claims it has Canon 1D ergo's
If true and if adapting Canon glass to it becomes practical with full AF functionality then this is likely what I'll be buying in the not so distant future.
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No.1672
>>1615
Ten grand for that Fuji though, ouch. Still, better bang for the buck than going Canon it seems, pay one third the cost of the Fuji for 1/10 the utility (if that rant above anything's to go by).
It's even more pathetic when you consider the used market. You can get an OMD, a FT to MFT converter with electronics and the two most recent FT kit lenses (with full AF compatibility on MFT after firmware updates) for probably $600-800 before memory card. Great on the go bodies, and nearly any range you'd normally need (unless you want to go ultra wide or super tele).
And that's not even beginning to talk about the market for used Nikon, Canon, Sony and so on. Especially manual gear, an old Nikon or Canon 1.4 50mm prime in F or FD mount can still take pictures you can cut yourself with on any digital body today, and they usually go for under $100 last I checked before adapters. No AF, but it's not hard to focus one of those in by hand at all. And AF models in some cases isn't going to break the bank, either, while still getting the job done.
No matter how you cut it, they fucked up bad. It's got nothing new that's worth it, and there's so much old shit that's about as good (or in some cases better) than you can get for 1/3-2/3 price of body only with some glass.
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No.1673
>>1672
The mirrorless revolution has lead to many old F/FD lenses shooting up in value and I suppose that trend isn't going to abate soon. Ease of adapting glass as well as EVF focus peaking has been driving a lot of demand.
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No.1674
>>1673
50/135/200s are still reasonable based off of some recent investigations. But not too long ago you couldn't even give them away. I got my 50/200 F Nikkors for example...what, the cost was $15 combined?
It is true that glass prices have crept up and up. I used to shoot film and about 10 years ago went on a glass buying spree on eBay. Obviously that was a bit before mirrorless fully took off, and I got some absolute steals back then, robbing candy from a baby. I shutter to think what some of my "nothing else like it" lenses would go for today.
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No.1680
>>1615
That Panasonic's also got IBIS, a ~50MP sensor and is presumably priced under Sony A9. Plus Pixel Shift. If it all comes together, that is going to be an extremely formidable body no matter how you cut it.
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No.1681
>>1680
Unless Sony decides to shit on all competition with an A7SIII announcement some time soon then the S1/S1R will be the most formidable full frame body available from any manufacturer and depending on AF performance and lens availability via adapters it might just be the finest professional camera, all categories.
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No.1697
Sony is apparently getting ready to introduce a paradigm shift in sensor tech, at least if these leaks are to be believed.
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No.1700
>three year old sensor
>max ISO of 6400
>lower resolution than any of the competition
>LCD viewfinder
>three thousand dollarydoos
What the fuck were these retards thinking?
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No.1701
Kinda bullshit to lock 10bit video output behind a paywall after you've already dropped >$2k on the camera.
Having such a high resolution EVF sounds like it'd be a charm to use but a battery capacity of only 400 shots is remarkably weak for such a large camera.
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No.1702
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No.1705
What's the point of 4k60 if it can only be used in crop mode?
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No.1706
>get shit on for releasing the 5DmkIV with disappointing specs
>relaunch the same fucking thing two years later but in mirrorless form and with one less card slot
>get shit on for releasing the 6DmkII with worse dynamic range than its predecessor and no 4k video
>relaunch the same fucking thing two years later but in mirrorless form
THE ABSOLUTE STATE OF CANON
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No.1708
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No.1709
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No.1713
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Chinks are now producing in-body filters.
Wonderful solution for all who use ultrawides who don't want to use filter holders. These things seem to be reasonably priced too, guess we'll just have to wait and see how their optical performance stacks up.
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No.1717
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IBIS comparison of GH5, Z6 and A7III
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No.1718
>>1706
What the fuck is happening with Canon? Can't they get anything right?
>>1717
Comparing the GH5 to the other two is like comparing a healthy man to two people suffering from cerebral palsy.
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No.1723
>>1718
>What the fuck is happening with Canon? Can't they get anything right?
Evidently no. If I were a little less charitable I'd say the R and RP are primarily a result of Canon's market segmentation strategy and they're specced the way they are to protect their cinema EOS brand and priced in a manner to extract the most out of gullible round-eyes.
While my attitude towards Canon is thoroughly unkind what I ultimately find to be the more likely scenario is they have been simply unable to develop new sensor tech — hell if you pay attention and read/watch interviews with their execs that's actually what they say. Could it be they've suffered the same curse as Intel and just can't get a new fab up and running for a new process node? Did their R&D hit a wall five years into a development cycle and while waiting for something to materialize as an actual product they panicked and took whatever they had lying on the shelf to try to please their customers?
The RP is nothing other than flagrant market segmentation, fuck those cunts for releasing such a crippled camera.
>Comparing the GH5 to the other two is like comparing a healthy man to two people suffering from cerebral palsy.
A smaller sensor has less intertial mass and allows for greater stabilizer movement, shouldn't come as a surprise it performs well compared to full frame. Will be interesting to see how the IBIS on the new 100 megapickle fuji performs, would be amazing if it's usable for video or if it's just a meme for stills.
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No.1724
>>1723
>>1706
How about that 5DS R? Been wanting to buy a proper full metal sensor and i fell for the stills meme, but i keep feeling all the reviews are somewhat shilled in favor.
Also because i want to feel like i'm shooting medium format without the nuances of panel photography and shelling 3000 bucks for a viewfinder.
Shame it sucks in low light it seems.
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No.1725
>>1724
A7RIII or A7RII would be better choices, not far off in terms of absolute resolution but superior dynamic range, same or lower price. It's kinda nice being able to push your shadows for example and not end up with assloads of noise or blue color casts. I guess if you want to be a turbonerd and faff about with bracketing then it makes no difference but there's a case to be made for the convenience of a lower noise floor.
E mount also has a large range of adapters in case you ever fancy using vintage glass.
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No.1726
>>1725
>A7RIII or A7RII would be better choices
>a case to be made for the convenience of a lower noise floor.
That's what gets me, i got a A6500 borrowed for a couple of days and the low light performance, even in that APS-C sensor, is stupidly insane or at least for me that i was used to work with a Canon T6 where ISO400 is a mess at times.
But i just detest the size and flimsiness, i'm no street warrior but i just treat my gear like shit when i'm outside and the Sony stuff feels like a 2000 bucks sensor barebacked in Kidizoom plastic, i am afraid of using it especially with the chinese teletubes. Also can't stand the buggy viewfinder i got.
I guess i am still in denial about using mirrorless, i was expecting Canon to do anything worthwhile since 5 years ago and i like the taste of the shit they keep giving sadly. They are going the way of the kodak if they don't make a good flagship camera that isn't a sportmaster in the next few years IMO.
And talking about that price range, i read days ago something i didn't know existed, a Sony A7RII repackaged inside a Canon/Minolta body, the A99 II. Looks pretty cool but i must be living under a rock, haven't heard anything of it, probably because it costs almost as much as a A9, the small piggy that ate Canon sport endeavors.
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No.1727
>>1726
>But i just detest the size and flimsiness
Agreed. I would never have bought my A7III if it werent for the widespread availability of L brackets and grip extensions but even that hasn't been enough so I've gone and fashioned myself a palm swell as well, will be posting about that this weekend. My hands aren't even all that large either but it's unfathomable how Panasonic are the only ones so far to offer a full frame mirrorless body that wasn't designed for manlets.
>I guess i am still in denial about using mirrorless
The trouble is we're in a transitional period right now. A mirrorless design requires only a single piece of photosensitive silicon, obviates the mirror box and pentaprism, offers customers all the (potential) benefits of an EVF and a shorter flange distance. From a manufacturers perspective the only downside is increased energy consumption and of course if the EVF resolution or frame rate is inadequate then UX goes down the drain. Introducing a new mount is also a good way to incentivize your customers to buy new lenses.
We're past the point now where manufactuers have come to appreciate the advantages of mirrorless — and recognize too that their customers by and large also appreciate those advantages while finding the disadvantages tolerable. With only the possible exceptions of a D6 or 1DXIII we will never again see the release of another full frame DSLR. If you're already producing a mid/large sized camera with a beefy battery then the cost savings and marketing advantages of mirrorless makes the idea of a DSLR thoroughly unpalatable.
On the other hand the only full frame mirrorless system that has so far been able to achieve any sort of maturity is Sony's and if we're frank there is absolutely nothing about about native e-mount glass that is sufficiently alluring on its own merits to attract new customers to the system. They have a set of well regarded lenses that either match or exceed their competitors in terms of build quality and optical performance but nothing superlative (apart from the 135/1.8) that truly sets them apart, no 200/1.8 or 85/1.2 for example that could act as a halo product.
It's all in the third party support combined with the class leading performance of the bodies they offer. Would Sony be enjoying the success they are if it weren't for metabones? The MC-11? Tamron? Samyang's compact primes? Assloads of adapters for every legacy mount imaginable?
See this is why the S1 and S1R are pretty much dead in the water. The specs might rival or surpass Sony's counterparts in the A7III and A7RIII but the selection of native lenses on offer is tiny and even compared to native Sony glass they're incredibly expensive. The MC-21 EF/L adapter doesn't support AF-C and for god knows what reason lacks any way for you to even update its firmware. To top things off they're still insisting on contrast detect autofocus which is far too unresponsive when tracking for anyone to put either camera to serious use in a demanding environment. All of this is really disappointing as they offer what are to me the most appealing ergonomics. If the S1/MC-21 offered me the same performance as the A7III/MC-11 then it would've been a day 1 buy.
Nikon are in a better spot than Panasonic but not by much and offer no compelling reason for existing full frame users to switch to mirrorless.
Canon are trying their best but people are starting to notice their clown nose can only honk in 720p.
>A99 II
It isn't just the cost of the damn thing that's lead people to ignore it, Sony has all but declared the A mount dead.
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No.1728
>>1727
>Sony has all but declared the A mount dead.
I was checking the lenses after the post and saw that they seem to be pretty good lenses, but all of them are over 600 bucks, making the camera be at least a 4000 buck investment, then the quantity themselves are not good enough (only 16 lenses or something in the entire line), only one zoom lens for general purpose (24-70), no tele glass other than a 250mm and a bunch of 1500 buck primes.
Not a single adapter i found which renders this thing dead or at least all the EF glass i can grab useless. Seriously, are all future photographers manlets or malnurished hipsters who can barely hold a phone? I just want a tank that can shoot 40mp, use Canon glass and stand its own around ISO1600 and 3200 maybe. I don't want to handle a Cybershot with a 700 gram lens up front.
I would seriously consider the A99 if its context didn't look so dreadful.
>we're in a transitional period
>D6 or 1DXIII will be the last FF DSLRs
I agree by how things are going. It would feel eerie if it wasn't so chaotic.
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No.1739
>Sony summer of fun
>600/4
>200-600mm
>35/1.8
>Tamron 17-28/2.8
>Voigtländer 21/1.4
>Rokinon 45/1.8
>Sigma 35/1.2, 14-24/2.8, 45/2.8
>Big(?) announcements in two days
Meanwhile, at Canon
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No.1741
If you like the A7RIII there's now a new version with 50% more resolution.
It's also ever so slightly THICCER and costs about the same its predecessor did six months ago.
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No.1759
I bought a used SL1 recently and owned an older Rebel before that, so I'm obviously quite poor but I have a few lenses that work perfectly fine. What I was wanting to learn next is HSS portrait photography but I have never bought a flash before. I read some forum posts and product reviews across many websites but they just added to the confusion. Am I supposed to start with a Canon product as my on-body flash? The Canon EL-100 isn't too high in price for me but I read a comment saying how the Neewer TT560 only works manually with Canon, so this suggests that the EL-100 would be overall worth the price increase for functionality.
Am I understanding this correctly? I should only use 3rd party as slaves and only use Canon as master?
I'm in no rush to buy a flash and might not even be able to buy one soon, but I was just curious to hear from anyone here who's into flash photography that owns this camera or a similar camera.
The pop-up flash isn't so bad but I need to test it more. I think it has better color temperature and distribution than my old pop-up flash, only slightly, but it could just be the better camera making me think so. What I need to try is to see if I can use environment lighting as shadow fill and use the flash as my main light, or try bouncing the light with random objects more but I haven't been fond of how this looks. The more I use my pop-up flash, the more I'm starting to think it isn't too bad. I must've just been using it the wrong way in the past.
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No.1760
Nevermind my previous post since 8kun has no posters. I went over to 4channel and had conversation about the way 1st party vs 3rd party works out for TTL. So I found what I needed.
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No.1761
>>1759
>So i went over to 4channel...
Geez, even when there's no posts the place keeps sinking
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